hairdoubling and beardhair... my experience with dr nigams

[nameless]

Why argue with jarjarbinx, he's delusional and will desperately cling onto his dr.nigam no matter what and ignore all logic and common sense.

A better reason not to argue with me is that I have a valid point and if Dr. Nigam improves his cell-based treatments to the point of breakthrough success then you will be rushing to India to get experimental-grade HM therapy from him like everyone else here at this site and every other hair website.

[locke999]

Why argue with jarjarbinx, he's delusional and will desperately cling onto his dr.nigam no matter what and ignore all logic and common sense.

[nameless]

OBI's HM case failed. We have seen no credible proof of any succesful HM case. Again, I have nothing against a doctor who wants to experiment with cell technology. But if a doctor is selling therapies, like hair doubling, when he knows they won't work, then that's pretty much the definition of a charlatan. Can't call it anything else.

You've seen credible evidence of successful case of HM but you just don't want to acknowledge it for some reason and I don't have a lot of not confidence in the judgment of a person who can't spell successful correctly even though the site has spell-check.

[nameless]

Where did he say that his Hair doubling technique is just an experiment ? Do you want me to quote how many times he said it works and that he can bring back a NW7 to a NW2 ?? And he's not only tellilng people it works (which it clearly does not), he's also charging people full price (apart from some special cases). And all that is exactly my problem with Nigam.

I too want a cure and it's great if someone experiments, but NOT if he lies and cheats about it and steals people money by sellling them something he knows doesn't work.

Give me a break! Your wrong. His HM photos show thickening.

[Arashi]

OBI's HM case failed. We have seen no credible proof of any succesful HM case. Again, I have nothing against a doctor who wants to experiment with cell technology. But if a doctor is selling therapies, like hair doubling, when he knows they won't work, then that's pretty much the definition of a charlatan. Can't call it anything else.

[nameless]

Where did he say that his Hair doubling technique is just an experiment ? Do you want me to quote how many times he said it works and that he can bring back a NW7 to a NW2 ?? And he's not only tellilng people it works (which it clearly does not), he's also charging people full price (apart from some special cases). And all that is exactly my problem with Nigam.

I too want a cure and it's great if someone experiments, but NOT if he lies and cheats about it

I'm not paying attention to the hair doubling issue so I can't really speak to that issue. I'm not paying attention to anything about it. I want to see the cell techniques and growth factor techniques improve and I want it to happen fast. Dr. Nigam is trying to make that happen.

I will say one thing about hair doubling - it is basically a hair transplant and all HT doctors, 100% of them, have HT cases that did not work well, or even at all. So maybe it does work on some patients but not others and maybe the cases you're complaining about are the cases where it didn't work but maybe there are cases where it did work.

When you attack Dr. Nigam over hair doubling keep in mind that you are also damaging his credibility on the issue of HM and that might be a big BIG mistake. He is definitely trying to make the cell techniques work. Some highly credible people, Boldy for example, have been to his lab, seen it, worked in it, and they can see that he has all the equipment needed to do the cell-based experiments he claims to be doing.

Why would you wait 20 years for establishment researchers like Jahoda to get a major breakthrough HM to market instead of supporting Dr. Nigam's efforts to a major breakthrough HM to market in the next year or two. Yea I know that Aderans and Replicel are supposedly coming to market in less than 20 years but these two treatments are not major breakthroughs. They do not grow much hair. So there are going to have to be changes to their protocols and that means that first they have to work out the details of those changes in the test tubes and then they will do animal studies and then they will begin new human studies. Dr. Nigam is already dabbling with the ideas that these other researchers are merely planning for and doing test tube studies with.

[534623]

That's why I have not flown to India YET.

What? I thought you couldn't fly to India because you didn't get a passport because you don't know the name of your father nor the name of your mother?

Do you want Dr. Nigam to push this envelope or not?

Why don't you say "Nigam jumped the shark"?

[Arashi]

Where did he say that his Hair doubling technique is just an experiment ? Do you want me to quote how many times he said it works and that he can bring back a NW7 to a NW2 ?? And he's not only tellilng people it works (which it clearly does not), he's also charging people full price (apart from some special cases). And all that is exactly my problem with Nigam.

I too want a cure and it's great if someone experiments, but NOT if he lies and cheats about it and steals people money by sellling them something he knows doesn't work.

[nameless]

My point is that Nigam is lying and cheating to get people to come to his clinic. If he just was doing FAIR business, like if he said "Ok, I'm experimenting, I don't know if it's going to work, I will perform this experimental procedure on anyone who wants to be a test patient free of charge", then it would be all good. But unfortunately the reality here is very different. He's commiting all kinds of frauds by selling people worthless therapies. I think we can all agree on that after the failed 15 graft test. And these people are not only paying for their surgery, they're paying for travel costs to India, hotel stay, accomodation and whatsmore. And that is my problem with Nigam.

To prevent that from happening, I made it my mission to tell people the truth about Nigam. And luckily I'm not alone here, there are a lot more people who getting more and more angry at Nigam for what he does.

1. I can see by all of Dr. Nigam's behavior that his techniques are still in the research phase. If I can see this then we should all be able to see this. That's why I have not flown to India YET. Dr. Nigam needs to improve the results and he's trying to do exactly that - that is why I call it research. He's still trying to perfect it. He is not saying that these techniques have reached heir zenith yet. If Dr. Nigam's research leads to a breakthrough then I will fly to India and have him perform the technique on my own head. I don't think it's producing sufficient results yet, and neither does he or else he would not be trying to improve upon it.

2. Yes, he's charging while he's doing these experiments but he doesn't have to do them at all. People want to try these techniques now so he offers these techniques now but we all know that he is still researching these techniques.

3. If you don't want to pay for an experiment then don't get one of these experiments. Nobody makes anyone do one of these experiments. He is not a big drug company that can afford massive clinical trials with huge test subjects. What is going on with him at this time is clearly a combination of research and letting people try the experimental treatments now while he is doing the research.

4. It is not proved that these experiments are worthless. I see thickening of hair in HM subject photos. I don't know what to make of donor-doubling because I'm not paying attention to donor-doubling. I'm interested in cell treatments and growth factors.

5. If Dr. Nigam does not charge for the experiments then the experiments won't get done. Do you want Dr. Nigam to push this envelope or not? Cell therapy advancements are moving as slow as molasses so if someone doesn't find a way to push the envelope faster then you are looking at perhaps 20 years before a major breakthrough cell-based treatment for hair loss comes to market. Do you understand that establishment hair researchers are just starting to tinker with hanging drop 3d spheroids in vitro whereas Nigam is already preparing to put them into people's scalps? Do you want this research sped up or not?

[Arashi]

That aside, even if you're right that hair-doubling is not workable there is still the issue that Dr. Nigam is also working with cells, growth factors, and other ideas.

My point is that Nigam is lying and cheating to get people to come to his clinic. If he just was doing FAIR business, like if he said "Ok, I'm experimenting, I don't know if it's going to work, I will perform this experimental procedure on anyone who wants to be a test patient free of charge", then it would be all good. But unfortunately the reality here is very different. He's commiting all kinds of frauds by selling people worthless therapies. I think we can all agree on that after the failed 15 graft test. And these people are not only paying for their surgery, they're paying for travel costs to India, hotel stay, accomodation and whatsmore. And that is my problem with Nigam.

To prevent that from happening, I made it my mission to tell people the truth about Nigam. And luckily I'm not alone here, there are a lot more people who getting more and more angry at Nigam for what he does.

[nameless]

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This is my version...

1) Does Wesley has any white dots on beard and donor scalp.(not the white dots from his previous procedure of 2500 plus grafts of FUE from some other clinic)

2) you can see that recipient looks better... that is the frontal scalp and vertex look better proportionate to the number of grafts implanted at the recipient and it's visibilty post shedding at 4 months.
All the grafts implanted at the recipient are invitro bisected grafts,and he has not recieved his multiplied stemcells and dp culturte injection either..to support doubling...

3) Regarding donor scalp, I am sure the 450 bisected grafts would still be there or will be seen in coming months.
How come arashi know that the 450 bsected grafts implanted at the do not have not grown or will not grow.
For proof of success, you want shaven donor and mapping of area in the photos to confirm whether thee is regen or not...but to claim that his procedure has failed you do not need any such pics..!

4) In the beard, you can see some loss of density as on 4 months but not loss of density matching extraction of 631 grafts, you can enlarge and see if all the 631 extracted areas are seen without regen at the beard...


Dr. Nigam, why hasn't he received his recieved his multiplied stemcells and dp culturte injections yet? It seems to me that it might be better to add these treatments within a month after the donor-doubling follicle implants into the donor areas. I would think that it would be good to put the donor-doubling follicles in, let them sit in there a few weeks or 1 month at most and then inject the multiplied stemcells and dp culturte injection along with growth factors.

[nameless]

Just posted on that other forum, from user "Hairman2" who we all know was very much Pro-Nigam not too long ago:

"unfortunately, I have heard some more really bad news from another patient of Dr. Nigam. It appears that another one of Dr Nigams very *prominent cases* has spoken up about a very bad self-assessment. He is however disinclined to make any further comments on it, as he is still awaiting to undergo a professional test (possibly a hair count?!). I think slowly it is time to move on, Dr Nigam's in-vitro doubling does not appear to work.

I have been very reluctant to pass any kind of judgment until now but honestly, in no good conscience can I recommend for ANYONE to go to Dr Nigam at this point. I would be willing to reconsider if Dr Mwamba's donor doubling assessment turns out to be positive. Until then the evidence that it is not working as promised is piling on."

Hairman2 was not pro-Nigam recently. Hairman has been negative on Nigam for some time. I'm not aware that Hairman was ever pro-Nigam.

That aside, even if you're right that hair-doubling is not workable there is still the issue that Dr. Nigam is also working with cells, growth factors, and other ideas.

Don't throw out the baby with the wash.

[hellouser]

haha fantastic, do we have any clue who did it? The English is not great, so it can't be Arashi, my bet is Didi.

It was Dr. Nigam's web developer....

*shifty eyes*

[JJJJrS]

My first thought was didi as well But I can't say for sure. I'll ask him on the HS forums if he still can't log onto here.

Whatever you think about Nigam, you honestly can't deny that he's brought us lots of laughs. The horrendous photos, the amateur photoshops, the slim-on-phone infomercials, or the kitchen he claimed was a hair multiplication lab. He's brought me to tears at times.

[Arashi]

Found this site on another forum:

http://drnigams.weebly.com/

Lol! Which one of you made it?

Haha that's hilarious. It wasn't me though Didi hasn't been active on these forums, my guess is that he's behind it. If so: big props

*EDIT* Doesn't seem to be Didi though:

"Mr JackhammerI am an ex patient of Dr Nigam .and my mission is to spread the truth about this swindler" Besides Didi's english is better.