Cure for MPB?

[matlondon]

I'd consider getting on a plane for an effective treatment almost anywhere in the world. I've got to draw the line at Singapore though, not even hair would stop me being depressed in that repressive hell hole.

i will not be goign there to experience its culture, but to fill in my temples.

[UK_]

I'd consider getting on a plane for an effective treatment almost anywhere in the world. I've got to draw the line at Singapore though, not even hair would stop me being depressed in that repressive hell hole.

When you say 'repressive hell hole' are you referring to the general conservatism and social controls adopted by recent Singaporean Governments? The same social controls that have kept drug trafficking, prostitution and gun crime significantly lower than that of cesspit havens for corporate conmen, corrupt politicians and absolute social inequality (i.e. America).

I understand the majority of Singaporeans live in public housing, however they also experience some of the best standards of living on the face of this planet today. Singapore has become one of the world's most prosperous places on earth - with glittering skyscrapers and a thriving port. What are you comparing Singapore to anyway? America? In that case you're comparing Singapore to a nation which currently houses a circa 9 - 11% unemployment rate, circa 20% of its population living beneath the poverty line and an ultra-liberalised economic system that has caused the greatest world bankruptcy to ever embrace modern civilisations.

Believe me, Americans and the west at the moment are far more 'depressed' than the likes of Asian economies.

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I'd consider getting on a plane for an effective treatment almost anywhere in the world. I've got to draw the line at Singapore though, not even hair would stop me being depressed in that repressive hell hole.

[matlondon]

Well like I've said before there are at least thirty guys on this forum who claim they will jump on a plane and fly to Singapore to have a brand new growth factor shot into their scalp on the day it's released.
So if Aderans were to release a product in a Western country it would no doubt be scrutinized by the media and there would be press coverage we would all understand. You would be able to interview the doctor beforehand.
Plus Aderans would be culpable to the FDA and US legal system. I think we have to get over the Bosley/Aderans connection and assume that a company who has been pursuing this research for a long time might come up with something. Just my opinion.
And no I don't own stock in Aderans!

i think theyll be more that 30 guys going over.

[mlao]

Yeah Aderans also sort of fits in nicely with the evolution of transplants aswel, I think their procedure could be well conflated with a traditional HT to give you that extra density and thickness.

Would Aderans sway any of you toward Bosley though? Lol.

Well like I've said before there are at least thirty guys on this forum who claim they will jump on a plane and fly to Singapore to have a brand new growth factor shot into their scalp on the day it's released.
So if Aderans were to release a product in a Western country it would no doubt be scrutinized by the media and there would be press coverage we would all understand. You would be able to interview the doctor beforehand.
Plus Aderans would be culpable to the FDA and US legal system. I think we have to get over the Bosley/Aderans connection and assume that a company who has been pursuing this research for a long time might come up with something. Just my opinion.
And no I don't own stock in Aderans!

[matlondon]

if ir grew my temples area back yes.

[UK_]

Yes, from the studies it has been proven that hair follicles surrounded will benifit from these treatments. I know Histogen's HSC has already proven this.

Aderans is leading the pack for HM.. I'll put my trust in them because they have been successful in their phase II studies.. it's all about putting out in the market. This is what's taking longer than people hoped for, but like I said.. it's only a matter of time. Why wouldn't HM be out soon anyways, with all the progress made? Doesn't make sense to me. Most experts predicted it to be out a year from now, but respectfully it's always safe to add a year.. or 2.. Not 20, like most people think.

Maybe I'm desperate, or just really gullible.. but when you read up on the clinical trials, it's not about whether this procedure will work, it's already proven.. getting it out in the market is the annoying part.

Yeah Aderans also sort of fits in nicely with the evolution of transplants aswel, I think their procedure could be well conflated with a traditional HT to give you that extra density and thickness.

Would Aderans sway any of you toward Bosley though? Lol.

[mlao]

I agree with gmonasco. There would probably a lot of protocol that you would have to follow. i.e. not using propecia or minoxidil and keeping your hair the same length for the duration of the trial. I read on hairsite some posts from a guy who claimed to be
in their trials I think he used the name bald half truth.

[gmonasco]

The question is, is being a participant in their study something you guys would consider doing?

I think it's something people should consider only if their motivation is advancing the cause of science and not because they think it's a way of getting a "cure" administered more quickly than waiting for the testing and approval process to be completed.

[ThinFast]

Thanks for clearing that up for me mlao.

I was going to start a new thread asking this question, but might as well propose it here. I am considering calling up Aderans to see if they will accept me in for their phase II clinical trials. I haven't called up the regional center closest to me that is conducting the trials to get specifics, but I assume it would follow normal protocols. Basically, they make a small punch in the back of your head where the best hair is, which require a few stitches.. They then send it to their lab to cultivate it. When it's ready, they bring you back in and inject their "cure" back into your scalp. This is at no cost to the person being experimented on (and there may even be compensation for the experimentee). The issue is that they have a few different formulas they're testing for efficacy, and I'm assuming there's a placebo as well. You obviously don't know which you're getting. I'm at a point in my hairloss where I will probably end up shaving it within the next year if nothing works to slow it down. I have no transplants and actually have a smooth head with no scars. I wouldn't want to voluntarily put one (albeit a small one) in my head with no way to hide it until they release their product which is currently due to be out in the US in 2015 (which I'm also assuming that they would give you the final product with the highest efficacy for free, something typical of experimental protocol). The question is, is being a participant in their study something you guys would consider doing?

[mlao]

When you say 2015, do you mean release in the U.S.? I thought I remember reading somewhere that it will be available in Asia in 2012, and not just as a clinical trial.

I think if you look back in some of the archives they are still saying 2013 for Asia and 2015 for the US and Europe.

[ThinFast]

I'm all for Histogen's regenerative method to regain your hair in a more natural way. I'm just stressed out because I have slight thinning going on, with a Norwood 2. I don't want my hair to get any worse then it is now since 2015 is the earliest they predict for HSC to come out.


BTW, is that the real Richard Dawkins?

When you say 2015, do you mean release in the U.S.? I thought I remember reading somewhere that it will be available in Asia in 2012, and not just as a clinical trial.

[BoSox]

I'm all for Histogen's regenerative method to regain your hair in a more natural way. I'm just stressed out because I have slight thinning going on, with a Norwood 2. I don't want my hair to get any worse then it is now since 2015 is the earliest they predict for HSC to come out.


BTW, is that the real Richard Dawkins?

[PatientlyWaiting]

Im not even excited hair cloning I realize these comments will sound ridiculous to anyone who has extensive loss already and/or fears more.

I cant believe that the method of poking holes in ones head and having hairs place there will ever be able to match the natural results that a histogen or follica method (inducing the body to grow new hairs) has the potential to produce.

I realize we still need to see what density histogen can produce with its phase 2 protocols but Im much more behind follica and histogen types of treatment.

Just my 2cents on the cloning issue

I'm with you on that one. I don't want any surgery. A surgery is not a cure. Inducing the body to promote new hairs sounds much better and hopefully won't cost an arm like I think hm will.

[CAlex]

Im not even excited hair cloning I realize these comments will sound ridiculous to anyone who has extensive loss already and/or fears more.

I cant believe that the method of poking holes in ones head and having hairs place there will ever be able to match the natural results that a histogen or follica method (inducing the body to grow new hairs) has the potential to produce.

I realize we still need to see what density histogen can produce with its phase 2 protocols but Im much more behind follica and histogen types of treatment.

Just my 2cents on the cloning issue