Further Follicept civil conversation

[TheUltimatePoet]

I checked out subject 2 and I couldn't really see any difference. But wouldn't a short term worsening be a sign that it is working?

[Arashi]

A sudden influx of IGF could definitely make you shed and reset anagen, that doesn't need to necessarily take a long time to happen. IGF has that very specific function and I'm sure the others has the same thing going on but they are more bald. I would continue the treatment for the full cycle and if it doesn't help you in the first few months then give it up. You might shed again but that might just be related to the type of balding you have. Mine is not diffuse so I don't shed that much but you may just have a lot of follicles that are strained from balding and the IGF reset them all. It might well happen again but my hunch is that in the long run you're not doing any harm. I also have a hunch that follicept might be better for maintaining thinning hairs than re growing very bald or vellus areas. There's too much damage done in those cases for anything other than cloning I think. Or some kind of wounding plus cellular therapy. Just my guess. Also Hair doesn't just disappear all of a sudden cause it sheds. Shedding happens when we change things up, and worst case scenario you'll be back where you started once it grows back. You're not gonna ale yourself balder. My best guess is that it's good news.

So, week 4, no progress at all, some subjects seem even worse than before (see subject 2). With all your infinite knowledge and understanding, when do you expect the growth to start, Sdsurfin ?

[sdsurfin]

A sudden influx of IGF could definitely make you shed and reset anagen, that doesn't need to necessarily take a long time to happen. IGF has that very specific function and I'm sure the others has the same thing going on but they are more bald. I would continue the treatment for the full cycle and if it doesn't help you in the first few months then give it up. You might shed again but that might just be related to the type of balding you have. Mine is not diffuse so I don't shed that much but you may just have a lot of follicles that are strained from balding and the IGF reset them all. It might well happen again but my hunch is that in the long run you're not doing any harm. I also have a hunch that follicept might be better for maintaining thinning hairs than re growing very bald or vellus areas. There's too much damage done in those cases for anything other than cloning I think. Or some kind of wounding plus cellular therapy. Just my guess. Also Hair doesn't just disappear all of a sudden cause it sheds. Shedding happens when we change things up, and worst case scenario you'll be back where you started once it grows back. You're not gonna ale yourself balder. My best guess is that it's good news.

[StayThick]

IGF is not the same as minox, it makes perfect sense that you would shed very early in the treatment, IGF works to reset anagen in the follicle, and that's probably a sign that you are responding. The others probably shed too but they are all very bald so the hair they lost was probably thin and tiny. Devon probably shed too but he does all the time and prob didn't notice it. That's my hunch. Or your anxiety about this or the springtime might have brought it on, it happens to me. Who knows. Either way I doubt it's a bad thing. I'm sure whatever u lost will grow back.

Understood. What is your opinion if my third treatment brings on a similar shed within hours of application again? I haven't shed anything remotely close from Friday since, so if this occurs again on my third application what is your opinion then? Continue? I just can't see how the formulation could cause my hair to instantly shed like this hours upon applying or how my follicles on the area could be resetting as you stated so quickly. Isn't that a process versus instantaneous? This is deemed safe by the Follicept team so I can't figure out other causes because I've ruled out other treatments, etc. because I haven't been on any.

I'm going to stop overthinking it and just move forward. Thanks for your insight because it has me thinking of possible scenarios for this.

[sdsurfin]

IGF is not the same as minox, it makes perfect sense that you would shed very early in the treatment, IGF works to reset anagen in the follicle, and that's probably a sign that you are responding. The others probably shed too but they are all very bald so the hair they lost was probably thin and tiny. Devon probably shed too but he does all the time and prob didn't notice it. That's my hunch. Or your anxiety about this or the springtime might have brought it on, it happens to me. Who knows. Either way I doubt it's a bad thing. I'm sure whatever u lost will grow back.

[StayThick]

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I understand that you got concerned when you saw what appeared to be a shed but I hope you didn't wash the treatment out because the shed may have been a good sign. If you washed the treatment out then that could mess up the results because you will be confusing your body.

Keep in mind that the body does things to offset treatments. For example, when people take finasteride the body produces more androgen receptors to compensate for the loss of DHT. By producing more androgen receptors more Testosterone can bind and make up for the reduction of DHT.

Well, similar things might be going on in your body with IGF-1. If you add IGF-1 (which Follicept may do) then your body might try to counteract that extra IGF-1 in some way so you have to keep using the treatment to stay ahead of the body's counteraction. If you stop using the treatment, or wash it out of your head right away, then you will be giving your body a chance to overcome the treatment.

You need to stop panicking.

Very interesting theory and I hear you. I'll consider this on my treatment tomorrow.

Again, my concern was simply because of how quickly it occurred. Not the first dose, but second, why? And why just a few hours removed from the 2nd dose did I feel such an itch and then followed by a shed. It's only that aspect of the situation that lead me to concern. The rate of which it all occurred.

I'm good though. Let's see what tomorrow brings. Thanks for your feedback.

[StayThick]

Swooping is probably right. Didn't see that you were on fin and minox, so it makes sense that you would start shedding after dropping those.

I dropped both those treatments way prior to even starting Follicept. Those played zero role in this situation. I'm currently just using Follicept per instructions from Devon and Dr. Hsu.

My hair has been stabilized for quite some time before Follicept, just slowly getting thinner because I'm freaking balding.

[Hemo]

Swooping is probably right. Didn't see that you were on fin and minox, so it makes sense that you would start shedding after dropping those.

[nameless]

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The sink was at the very end of me washing out the product. I had tons of hair sprinkled all over pillow and desk area prior.

Got up alarmed and emailed Devon. Was advised to wash it off immediately, I did and more and more hair was falling off and then going down the drain. My picture of my sink clearly did not reveal all of the above, but I've never had a shed like that EVER. With any treatment in the past. Never. So I didn't know what to think about the situation especially after vial #2.

Also I'm not stressed. However, I became stressed yesterday when I saw a monsoon of hair coming out from my crown area. This wasn't an exaggeration or else I wouldn't have posted it.

I'll keep you all in the loop. Rest assured.

I understand that you got concerned when you saw what appeared to be a shed but I hope you didn't wash the treatment out because the shed may have been a good sign. If you washed the treatment out then that could mess up the results because you will be confusing your body.

Keep in mind that the body does things to offset treatments. For example, when people take finasteride the body produces more androgen receptors to compensate for the loss of DHT. By producing more androgen receptors more Testosterone can bind and make up for the reduction of DHT.

Well, similar things might be going on in your body with IGF-1. If you add IGF-1 (which Follicept may do) then your body might try to counteract that extra IGF-1 in some way so you have to keep using the treatment to stay ahead of the body's counteraction. If you stop using the treatment, or wash it out of your head right away, then you will be giving your body a chance to overcome the treatment.

You need to stop panicking.

[NeedHairASAP]

Wouldnt shedding a huge amount of hair though be a good thing? It seems like a big shed means your hair is syncing up its hair cycles and that the treatment is doing something. If it all grows back the next cycle than how is that a bad thing? Although if you quit fin recently its always possible the shed is catch up loss for quitting that

The weird thing is that none of the other trialist seem to mention shedding

[petewete]

Thanks staythick for doing this. I would freak out too if I was in your position but like a bunch of guys are saying this could be a good thing. Since you've decided to go ahead with it, just stay positive and let's hope for the best.

(Just a gut feeling but I honestly feel this is a good sign and it that it will work)

[champpy]

Also i am wondering if something else might have accidentally mixed w the follicept solution on that one part of his scalp; hairspray, gel, minox...anything.
When i was using indometacin i had the worst itch on the back of my head just in a 2" radius even though i was using it everywhere. It was very strange it only caused irritation on that one part of my head

[champpy]

I would be just as concerned as staythick abnomal shedding happend so quickly after adding a topical. Dont blame him at all for being cautious.
Personally i have tried EVERYTHING i can get my hands on to stop hairloss and shedding always occurs, but the regrowth NEVER happens for me. Ever. So I cant say that shedding is always a positive, cause theres no promise it will come back.
Theres not one of us here who who wouldnt be concerned with losing so much so fast. Be careful staythick

[burtandernie]

Wouldnt shedding a huge amount of hair though be a good thing? It seems like a big shed means your hair is syncing up its hair cycles and that the treatment is doing something. If it all grows back the next cycle than how is that a bad thing? Although if you quit fin recently its always possible the shed is catch up loss for quitting that

[Illusion]

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"Guys rumor has it that Arashi is related to a hair transplant clinic and only vouches for HT. Also, Swooping has a relationship with an AAPE company and he gets cuts.

These guys are professional con artists that launch systematic campaigns on forums to destroy competition.

First Arashi destroyed Dr. Gho's hair transplant practice . Now Swooping and Arashi are tag teaming to destroy Follicept and other competitors to promote their AAPE (snake oil)

Facts are clear!"


SPREAD THE WORD!!

In all seriousness, was this guy above being sarcastic or are people seriously thinking this stupid sh*t? Since this quote is from the website of Follicept, it automatically makes me think it's meant in a serious way but then again I believe there are quite some people trolling over there so who knows.