Anyone else excited with all the action?

[FearTheLoss]

So if you trial seti on yourself and trade based on that. Watch out, that's insider trading.

lol, it's not something I'm opposed to. However, we won't know dosage until they start their POC trial. Setipiprant isn't going to be hard to get on the black market if people want.

[bigentries]

the only one we took seriously 2-3 years ago was histogen, Aderans has been around without success for 15 years.

I must be imaging that cringeworthy Aderans timeline picture with Homer Simpson included that made rounds over the internet. People were really excited about Aderans back then

[walrus]

they are equal to all the scammers technologies.

Science provides evidence. Scammers do not.

[Swooping]

From my point of view everything that require more then 4 years is useless, steam cell is something a slow balding teen could be interested in because it will work properly in 10year+ if lucky, but for us in our late 20 nw2-3 we have only bim-follicept-seti maybe cb and replicel if they speed up everything, i'm not interested in 2020+ treatment if i need transplant to cover the head anyway...

Well let me play the devil for you. I saw your hair situation, you are rapidly advancing. You need to jump asap on a 5ar2 inhibitor/anti-androgen + minoxidil. That won't even regrow your hair and you'll indeed need a hair transplant. You can obviously do nothing about your current hair situation now. Completely fine but I see you are progressing aggressively to a NW5-6, being a NW4 already. You should have started a few years ago with treatments my friend you would enjoy a full head of hair now. Keep "hoping", meanwhile your cells are getting shredded. Just my 2 cents.

[KO1]

Yes, not only is it true that they can, THEY ARE. I have stock in Kythera (has risen 40% since I bought it) and I spoke with a representative from the company about a month ago and they confirmed they are going into phase II POC end of 2015/beginning of 2016. If seti proves to work, then they will go straight to phase III.

So realistically I would say 3 years it could very well be out.

So if you trial seti on yourself and trade based on that. Watch out, that's insider trading.

[rdawg]

I never get excited with unproven treatments. 2012 was the year where Cotsarelis said that the pgd2 therapy could reach the market in 2 years. Certainly he didn't know why the bald areas had increased pgd2. Typical Cotsarelis. I waited someone to ask him if the increased levels could be a result of the expossure of this areas on the light which is the most logical.
I'm convieced that hairloss is also an age procedure so i don't wait miracles maybe something a little better than minoxidil.

Sorry for my shitty English, they are equal to all the scammers technologies.

It was end of 2012, and any knowledgeable poster could tell it was more of a claim made by the news rather than him, there was no actual product in trials so 2 years was impossible.

PGD2 is moving forward heavily since then, Kythera like Fear said above is fast-tracking their product, they definitely know they are on to something here.

there is a clear open market for an inbetween product here, something better than FIN/MIN but not a full cure, seems like a 3 legged race between BIM, CB and SETI.

nothing was close like this before, in 2012 the only thing (seemingly) moving forward was Histogen, not a single other thing could be taken seriously and was just typical grey market stuff that the forum comes up with all the time like Equol.

[rdawg]

Hell no.

Not too far ago we had Intercitex, Aderans, Histogen, Follica, CB-03-01, all working at the same time, alongside more dubious products like PRP and Gho

For a while, it seemed like a company made a big announcement every 15 days. It felt like the cure was right around the corner. There were fights because people were calling others morons just because they were about to get an HT in the coming weeks

It all went nowhere

Don't make the same mistake, unless we see clear evidence of independently verified results, there is no reason to be excited.

I've been here off and on for 3 years now and I would heavily disagree with what you've said.

not a single product was close to fruition, the only one we took seriously 2-3 years ago was histogen, Aderans has been around without success for 15 years.

Cb-03 wasn't nearing trials like it is now, Follica is still doing trials all over europe and the only one that kind of dissappeared was Histogen.

There is no question, it's 100% fact that we are so much farther than we were in 2011-2012, some of you guys are just way too cynical here, are we a year away from the cure, 99% chance we arent, but we are getting much closer to legitimate products. Back in 2012 it was one soft announcement every 5-6 months, it wasn't every 15 days, this place was a wasteland back then. Seriously, take a look at older posts, it's depressing, any somewhat intelligent poster could see we had nothing nearing completion, now you have BIM, CB, SM, Follica, Kythera starting/ finishing phase IIa-IIb trials. Not to mention the countless products being produced behind the scenes that companies wont speak about for months.

NOW we are getting news almost every month, back then it was basically us waiting for Histogen to finish Phase II, nothing else was happening.

[BiqqieSmalls]

I thought I saw Devon, who represents Follicept, say that major pharma companies are in communication with he and Dr. Hsus' Promethean.....

[FearTheLoss]

@feartheloss is it true that seti can only skip phase I?

Yes, not only is it true that they can, THEY ARE. I have stock in Kythera (has risen 40% since I bought it) and I spoke with a representative from the company about a month ago and they confirmed they are going into phase II POC end of 2015/beginning of 2016. If seti proves to work, then they will go straight to phase III.

So realistically I would say 3 years it could very well be out.

[GSD]

@feartheloss is it true that seti can only skip phase I?

[breakbot]

I never get excited with unproven treatments. 2012 was the year where Cotsarelis said that the pgd2 therapy could reach the market in 2 years. Certainly he didn't know why the bald areas had increased pgd2. Typical Cotsarelis. I waited someone to ask him if the increased levels could be a result of the expossure of this areas on the light which is the most logical.
I'm convieced that hairloss is also an age procedure so i don't wait miracles maybe something a little better than minoxidil.

Sorry for my shitty English, they are equal to all the scammers technologies.

[Illusion]

I for one am not that excited about future treatments. Then again, I know very little about them so what's my opinion worth.

The reason I'm not that excited about them is because most of them are probably going to take a while to come out and I just don't have that much time. In fact, most of us don't have that time. I know there was (and still is?) some hype about OC and Seti coming out rather quickly and I believe there are already some people trying it out through the black market. So maybe we can focus on some black market treatments in the near future.

Maybe I can find the courage in the near future to just buzz everything off and to be done with this whole hair loss shit. I don't know anymore what's bothering me more, being bald or the depressing wait on treatments, something that drives me batshit crazy from time to time

[Trouse5858]

From my point of view everything that require more then 4 years is useless, steam cell is something a slow balding teen could be interested in because it will work properly in 10year+ if lucky, but for us in our late 20 nw2-3 we have only bim-follicept-seti maybe cb and replicel if they speed up everything, i'm not interested in 2020+ treatment if i need transplant to cover the head anyway...

A hair transplant is currently an "all-in" strategy. You save up, find a reliable doctor, get the surgery, and hopefully can pair it with fin to prevent further loss. Lots of guys are getting very good results from this - the only problem is it's not a permanent fix.

But why would treatments 4 years out be 'useless'? That would mean that a transplant (assuming they continue to be refined or even measurably improved in the case of pilofocus) could really just be a means to an end. A treatment to bridge the gap to successful hair treatments that can maintain hair more effectively than fin, regrow it as well as minox and not have any of the dangerous side effects. That's what I'm hoping for at least.

[Keki]

From my point of view everything that require more then 4 years is useless, steam cell is something a slow balding teen could be interested in because it will work properly in 10year+ if lucky, but for us in our late 20 nw2-3 we have only bim-follicept-seti maybe cb and replicel if they speed up everything, i'm not interested in 2020+ treatment if i need transplant to cover the head anyway...

[FearTheLoss]

Hell no.

Not too far ago we had Intercitex, Aderans, Histogen, Follica, CB-03-01, all working at the same time, alongside more dubious products like PRP and Gho

For a while, it seemed like a company made a big announcement every 15 days. It felt like the cure was right around the corner. There were fights because people were calling others morons just because they were about to get an HT in the coming weeks

It all went nowhere

Don't make the same mistake, unless we see clear evidence of independently verified results, there is no reason to be excited.

Intercitex, Aderans both were a joke. Histogen works, it just won't make enough money for an investor to want to bring it to market. Follica, PRP and CB have all progressed and continue to. Replicel got a major investor and is running 4 clinical trials for a massive phase IIb. Kythera bought patents on PGD2 and are testing setipiprant, which has already made it through a phase III so they can bring it to market fast if it works in their POC trial. SM came out of nowhere with a massive phase II trial. Dr. Wesley Pilofocus is advancing drastically and there's more hope for regeneration in this, backed by numerous science that is already out there, then there has ever been with Gho. Bim? Who knows, I don't have hopes for it as I figure they'd have released results by summer, but we will see in the next month or two. Furthermore, we are finding out more people are working on this every day then we'd have even imagined. Stemcell breakthroughs occur every day now and we are learning more and more about this condition. I would say anyone who thinks we are in a more negative position now then we were 4 years ago is delusional; Science doesn't go backwards.