A plea to the community

[Hairetique]

You're creating negative atmosphere now. Who tell you no effective treatment will come soon? How do you know? What we know is Replicel and Histogen are in progress. For Bim, eating fat is a side effect which few people will concern, it's a mild side I would say.

I never said no effective treatment will come, on the contrary I am saying the opposite. What I am saying is that people need to accept that when these treatments come, none of them will be a magic bullet. We'll still have to pull together and collaborate if we want the best results possible, this wont happen in this sort of negative environment at all.

And you are completely wrong about the subcutaneous fat side effect being something most people wont care about. The subcutaneous fat is the main reason you don't look like you are 90 years old. Here is someone who applied bimatoprost, 0.03% solution (hairloss treatment will be a lot more potent) http://www.e-igr.com/GO/images/144_GO_figure1a.jpg this is seen in pretty much everyone that uses this for even as little as a month.

[Hairetique]

Yeah, a useless thread. Kind of similar to what people say who have never actually suffered from hair loss themselves. I wonder if the poster is something like an NW 1.5 and has such minimal hair loss that consequently it does not affect his life nearly as much as some one with significant hair loss.

Thankfully you are in the minority. The majority clearly felt that I hit the nail on it's head and want a change of tone in this forum.

Now to adress your baseless ad hominem: I actually have NW 3 widow peak style. The absolute worst kind of hairloss you can suffer as it is 100% impossible to cover or hide and the hardest place to regrow your hair. Like I said: is started losing it at 18, actually I think I started losing it at 16, but it was only noticable when I was 18. And also: I know what suicidal depression is like, I know what being crippled by ones own brain is like and I got scars to prove it.

My entire point here is that people like yourself are throwing away your life and ruining the atmosphere for everyone. Nearly all the good experimental solutions are the result of the community coming together and sharing experiences, doing group buys, collecting info and comparing conclusions. A lot of these people abandoned these public forums for private locked ones, partially due to this negative atmosphere and you are insta-banned if you start whining like that in those forums.

You are in great need of Cognitive Behavioural Therapy when the first response you have to such a post is that: "This is simply too rational, noone that suffers real hairloss could use common sense"

[DepressedByHairLoss]

Yeah, a useless thread. Kind of similar to what people say who have never actually suffered from hair loss themselves. I wonder if the poster is something like an NW 1.5 and has such minimal hair loss that consequently it does not affect his life nearly as much as some one with significant hair loss.

[Alex88]

pretty much almost the same stuff i was thinking two days ago. Bravo!

[sascha]

Thanks for backing up hairetique post.

hahaha you are funny

[sascha]

hey I am not saying he isn`t right, but he makes other assumptions that are again only imaginary, if everybody would cut out the assuming-part this forum would be cool.

[hellouser]

Yeah it's useless but he certainly has a point. Some people take hairloss WAY too seriously, like they've just been told by their doctor they have some agressive form of leukemia and will die in 2 months. People should put it a bit more in perspective. This thread wont help though. But he has a point.

It's an irrelevant point..... because everyone's issues is relative. To the person going through leukemia, THAT will be their greatest issue. For us it's hair... for someone else it may be debt, or school, or a job.... whatever. Essentially what this thread does is it ignores everything that isn't life threatening and give priority to anyone going through anything only worse. The problem? It essentially tells everyone that we should be complacent and allow another 20 years to go by of finasteride and minoxidil as being the only options for us... despite the fact that, while we're bottom feeders of society, somehow we're suppose to be 'positive' about this... all while humiliation and disrespect towards guys like us is not only tolerated, but also encouraged, and it being the ONLY health condition with this type of treatment. Cherry on top; women are exempt and receive a badge of honour.

Yeah... a life full of being treated like trash. That's definitely something we should be positive about and look forward to.

The only thing threads like this do is deny the very real problems that exist with hair loss.. not with the condition itself, but as the gutter class of people that society has branded us.

Ridiculous and insulting.

[FearTheLoss]

good post, this needed to be said.

[Hicks]

this thread is stupid and again filled with assumptions. in my opinion there are really 2 types of members: people that base their posts on evidence and people that assume.

Thanks for backing up hairetique post.

[hellouser]

Last but not least, stop waiting for this magic bullet. It's not happening anytime soon, so stop worrying about it. You still have options. Anyone that combines eating MSM, Vit D3 and Biotin with dermarolling, laser, minoxidil + azelaic acid, propecia, bimatoprost, redensyl, nizoral and aminxil *will* see results and halt their hairloss.

LOL!! As if those options work. That laser suggestion is particularly hilarious. No wonder we don't have a cure... because men are led to believe these bogus options actually work.

[hellouser]

this thread is stupid and again filled with assumptions. in my opinion there are really 2 types of members: people that base their posts on evidence and people that assume.

And the evidence is that no matter how 'positive' you try to be, it doesn't change society's treatment of bald men as trash.

You know what will fix this? HAIR. And nothing else.

[sascha]

this thread is stupid and again filled with assumptions. in my opinion there are really 2 types of members: people that base their posts on evidence and people that assume.

[beetee]

This post is a nice change of pace. It seems to me that the fundamental issue on these forums is that there are two different types of posters. There are those that are somewhat grounded in reality, who would very much like a "cure" but are still capable of regularly acknowledging that reality exists outside of their field of desires and that there are many factors that do not necessarily work in their favor (the complicated nature of treating hair loss, the fundamentally difficult nature of drug development, etc.) as well as being able to acknowledge (and this is very important) that there are many issues involved that they fundamentally don't know that much about, because they are not scientists and are not experts in the drug development process.

And then there are those that also want a treatment, but for some reason are blinded by their desire and confuse the fact that they may want something or think a certain course of events seems reasonable with what is actually happening (Ex.: "It seems to me like baldness should be reversible; therefore it will be"; "drug testing seems to me like it should only take six months; therefore, that's how long it will take"). This second type of poster often turns into a total dick very quickly when their very subjective and unjustified claims are challenged with actual evidence or just minimally logical standards.

I think each type of poster probably would like a cure very much, but I don't know what the ultimate factors are that would make an individual one or the other. It's an open forum so posters of both types are obviously free to participate, but I for one really wish there were more of the first type on this particular forum.

[huawei]

I'm with ya hairetique. Life's short, enjoy the ride. We'll have our hair back one day.

You're creating negative atmosphere now. Who tell you no effective treatment will come soon? How do you know? What we know is Replicel and Histogen are in progress. For Bim, eating fat is a side effect which few people will concern, it's a mild side I would say.

This forum is a contagion of negativity and suffering for the most part, at least his post isn't adding to the same circle jerk but rather illuminating on the one thing that can be changed today for a better life tomorrow and that is our perception of our self and the issue of hair loss. Though in a rather rough way, granted.

[Hairismylife]

You're creating negative atmosphere now. Who tell you no effective treatment will come soon? How do you know? What we know is Replicel and Histogen are in progress. For Bim, eating fat is a side effect which few people will concern, it's a mild side I would say.