Hellouser's RU Log (with Minox, CB Nizoral and Saw Palmetto)

[nliyan25]

so....

RU twice a day isn't necessary. If youre dermarolling I wouldn't use RU, I'd go with CB, as RU can get into your bloodstream (and probably will after dermarolling) and go systemic with side effects similar to Finasteride.

OK, so it would be ok then to use CB once a day, Minox twice a day, and dermaroll once a week?

[hellouser]

Hellouser, is it ok to use both RU58841 and Minox twice a day? And is it ok if you do dermarolling once a week while using both?

RU twice a day isn't necessary. If youre dermarolling I wouldn't use RU, I'd go with CB, as RU can get into your bloodstream (and probably will after dermarolling) and go systemic with side effects similar to Finasteride.

[nliyan25]

RU and Dermarolling

Hellouser, is it ok to use both RU58841 and Minox twice a day? And is it ok if you do dermarolling once a week while using both?

[hellouser]

Has anyone had any trouble with ordering from Kane using the Western Union or bank transfer methods? I've never done either of those things before, and it looks like we simply confirm our order, then send an email notifying them that we've wired payment--is that accurate? Also, what's the typical wait time to receive the shipment? I'm in Seattle, WA.

I just sent payment to Kane via Western Union through a kiosk. I couldnt send online, everytime I tried to complete a transfer I would get an error. Just go to a WU kiosk, give them his full name, country and city. Make sure you send funds in US dollars. You'll get an MTCN number from Western Union for which you will need to give to Kane through email so he can accept the payment.

It sounds complicated, but its pretty easy.

[win200]

Has anyone had any trouble with ordering from Kane using the Western Union or bank transfer methods? I've never done either of those things before, and it looks like we simply confirm our order, then send an email notifying them that we've wired payment--is that accurate? Also, what's the typical wait time to receive the shipment? I'm in Seattle, WA.

[Californication]

Been on RU for about 3 weeks now. Had early gyno symptoms on fin as well as some side fat gain, so started at only 25 mg of RU, now at 35, crossing my fingers that I can get up to 50 without gyno/fat flaring up too bad.

Continued to shed, but I'm not using that high a dosage, so that's to be expected.

[hellouser]

So I took out some of my remaining RU from earlier this year. Exfoliated scalp, showered, gently used my dermaroller and then applied 1ml with 100mg of RU followed by Minoxidil (1.5ml @ 5%)

I'm shedding a LOT today, mostly smaller finer hairs. However I've been shedding quite a bit in the last month. The odd thing is, is that my hair density still isn't as bad as it used to be a year and a half ago when my hair was really thin. I'm definitely fluctuating which is pissing me off.

I've been looking at Finasteride's efficacy in terms of DHT inhibition as well how long until DHT levels come back to normal. Its typically about 7 days. Spencer Kobren takes Finasteride *once a week* and he's maintained with that more or less for many years. DHT doesn't need to be kept at minimum every day, it takes a while for the body to reproduce it. I'm giving it SOME thought to go this route with RU, Minox, CB and Dermarolling all added into the regimen.

I'm going to be doing another strong dermarolling session tomorrow, much more vigorous than last weeks, going to induce much more bleeding. I didn't notice much redness out of my scalp last time, so things should pick up.

I've been giving SABA gel some though as well to use around my hairline. That as well as those growth factors lilpauly has mentioned, growth was around 10% for women and sometimes up to 30%, I suspect these numbers will be similar if not better for men.

It's time to NUKE the scalp.

Wait...are you actually considering taking the Devil's drug Propecia? I mean even for once a week dose...to me that's messing with fire.

I just couldn't do it. The sides were that bad.

Desperate times call for desperate measures. I need to get CB immediately though. Thank christ I have Oleyl to penetrate skin better than ethanol.

[StayThick]

So I took out some of my remaining RU from earlier this year. Exfoliated scalp, showered, gently used my dermaroller and then applied 1ml with 100mg of RU followed by Minoxidil (1.5ml @ 5&#37

I'm shedding a LOT today, mostly smaller finer hairs. However I've been shedding quite a bit in the last month. The odd thing is, is that my hair density still isn't as bad as it used to be a year and a half ago when my hair was really thin. I'm definitely fluctuating which is pissing me off.

I've been looking at Finasteride's efficacy in terms of DHT inhibition as well how long until DHT levels come back to normal. Its typically about 7 days. Spencer Kobren takes Finasteride *once a week* and he's maintained with that more or less for many years. DHT doesn't need to be kept at minimum every day, it takes a while for the body to reproduce it. I'm giving it SOME thought to go this route with RU, Minox, CB and Dermarolling all added into the regimen.

I'm going to be doing another strong dermarolling session tomorrow, much more vigorous than last weeks, going to induce much more bleeding. I didn't notice much redness out of my scalp last time, so things should pick up.

I've been giving SABA gel some though as well to use around my hairline. That as well as those growth factors lilpauly has mentioned, growth was around 10% for women and sometimes up to 30%, I suspect these numbers will be similar if not better for men.

It's time to NUKE the scalp.

Wait...are you actually considering taking the Devil's drug Propecia? I mean even for once a week dose...to me that's messing with fire.

I just couldn't do it. The sides were that bad.

[hellouser]

Not sure if RU went systemic or not, but my testicles feel odd ever since I thought about them shrinking due to previous use of RU. Could just be placebo.

God I hate this disease, no matter what you do to battle this fvcking shit, theres always a downside.... and doctors don't give a single fvck about getting a cure out the door for people, its as if society would rather have us bald and miserable.

[hellouser]

So I took out some of my remaining RU from earlier this year. Exfoliated scalp, showered, gently used my dermaroller and then applied 1ml with 100mg of RU followed by Minoxidil (1.5ml @ 5%)

I'm shedding a LOT today, mostly smaller finer hairs. However I've been shedding quite a bit in the last month. The odd thing is, is that my hair density still isn't as bad as it used to be a year and a half ago when my hair was really thin. I'm definitely fluctuating which is pissing me off.

I've been looking at Finasteride's efficacy in terms of DHT inhibition as well how long until DHT levels come back to normal. Its typically about 7 days. Spencer Kobren takes Finasteride *once a week* and he's maintained with that more or less for many years. DHT doesn't need to be kept at minimum every day, it takes a while for the body to reproduce it. I'm giving it SOME thought to go this route with RU, Minox, CB and Dermarolling all added into the regimen.

I'm going to be doing another strong dermarolling session tomorrow, much more vigorous than last weeks, going to induce much more bleeding. I didn't notice much redness out of my scalp last time, so things should pick up.

I've been giving SABA gel some though as well to use around my hairline. That as well as those growth factors lilpauly has mentioned, growth was around 10% for women and sometimes up to 30%, I suspect these numbers will be similar if not better for men.

It's time to NUKE the scalp.

Needle width /penetration?

Sorry, I don't know.

[clandestine]

Needle width /penetration?

[hellouser]

I got my dermaroller in the mail today, here it is:





Will be doing my first 'roll session' today. No minox until 24 hours later

[hellouser]

Yeah definitely. I've been on fin and minox for a while now. Just added RU a month ago. What you're saying though is that even with PGD2 inhibition and a PGE2 increase, we still need to block DHT. I'm on fin and RU plus minox, might switch RU for CB. Either way, I should be blocking DHT.

So my treatment now is
Fin + RU + Minox

And my treatment might soon be
Fin + CB + PGD2 +PGE3 + Minox + Rolling or
Fin + RU + PGD2 +PGE3 + Minox + Rolling or

Blocking DHT alone doesn't seem to help me a ton. I think that's one reason I might need to bring in something that helps in a different way, and that would be PGD2 and PGE3. I'm just not sure if there are any studies on these, or what vehicle to use...

Try the standard ethanol/PG vehicle or alternate between something else. I think if your dermarolling it wont matter a whole lot as youre going to get much better penetration.

[thatkidd]

AFAIK, and don't take this as 100% truth, is that minoxidil raises PGE2 levels after rolling. PGE2 levels are about half in balding men compared to non-balding, so they definitely need to go up. PGD2 levels in balding men are significantly higher, and that needs to be suppressed.

Your logic is definitely on track though with PGD2 and PGE2.

DHT imo should still be inhibited. Minox should be in everyones regimen I think.

I'm just curious what these initiatives could do to Replicel, suppose the missing link for Replicel is a growth factor, something as simple as minox? I'm sure they've ONLY done trials on their own method alone, but who knows what a combination of things could do... for example, FIN + Minox is a great combo, I bet nobody saw that coming.

Yeah definitely. I've been on fin and minox for a while now. Just added RU a month ago. What you're saying though is that even with PGD2 inhibition and a PGE2 increase, we still need to block DHT. I'm on fin and RU plus minox, might switch RU for CB. Either way, I should be blocking DHT.

So my treatment now is
Fin + RU + Minox

And my treatment might soon be
Fin + CB + PGD2 +PGE3 + Minox + Rolling or
Fin + RU + PGD2 +PGE3 + Minox + Rolling or

Blocking DHT alone doesn't seem to help me a ton. I think that's one reason I might need to bring in something that helps in a different way, and that would be PGD2 and PGE3. I'm just not sure if there are any studies on these, or what vehicle to use...

[hellouser]

Well I can roll some needles on my head once a week if it even helps 1%! ha

So bottom line at this point is we roll once a week, use a PGD2 inhibitor to block PGD2, and use PGE2 to increase FGF9...seems pretty solid to me if that is truly what the Follica study shows works. I see the PGE2 on Kane's website, not sure what the PGD2 inhibitor is though. And what type of vehicle would we use for these/how often?

I'm on RU 10mg right now, but might have to get off from some sides. Don't know if I want to try CB or PGD2+PGE2, both will occur with rolling.

I'm already taking monthly pictures as I just started RU a month ago.

AFAIK, and don't take this as 100% truth, is that minoxidil raises PGE2 levels after rolling. PGE2 levels are about half in balding men compared to non-balding, so they definitely need to go up. PGD2 levels in balding men are significantly higher, and that needs to be suppressed.

Your logic is definitely on track though with PGD2 and PGE2.

DHT imo should still be inhibited. Minox should be in everyones regimen I think.

I'm just curious what these initiatives could do to Replicel, suppose the missing link for Replicel is a growth factor, something as simple as minox? I'm sure they've ONLY done trials on their own method alone, but who knows what a combination of things could do... for example, FIN + Minox is a great combo, I bet nobody saw that coming.