Positive Propecia Effects

[Cr779]

I believe that the few vocal people on the internet who may or may not have real physical long lasting side effects from Propecia have unfairly tarnished a drug that has literally changed my life and and the lives a millions of men for the better. I also think it is unfair that we can't have one positive Propecia thread without it being jumped on by Chrisis or the likes. Chrisis you have plenty of anti-Propecia threads to post on, please post on those.

When I started Propecia I had absolutely no fear in taking it and I believe that is why I have done so very well on it. I have 4 close friends who began taking it within 5 years of me and this permanent impotence stuff was not on the internet yet and only one has had side effects and it was just watery seaman which he does no care about. He now have three healthy and happy children, by the way.

Propecia allowed me to move on with my life and now I am expecting my first child also, which I am very excited about. It gave me time to grow my life, meet my wife and live when I was young. I have lost hair over the years, but I am so happy I chose to take Propecia and will tell everyone who wants to know that it is a miracle drug.

I believe that these side effects are becoming much more prevalent because of a mass hysteria effect. I've been reading hair loss forums since about 2000 and I only began to see these crazy stories and hysterical talk relatively recently and most forum guys back then were taking it. It's really too bad for the younger guys who could save their hair and move on with their lives.

Please do not destroy this thread with a debate since I think it is crucial that we have a least one positive thread on the internet about Propecia!

By the way, The Examiner is not even a legitimate media outlet. Almost anyone can blog for it. It's laughable!

Zoa just curious but have you ever though that more side effects are appearing now because of the generation that's taking the drug? By this I mean that I think more young people are taking it because due to the internet's rapid growth in the past 10 years more young people are aware of the drugs existence, where as before you would have to find out via rare commercials, or your gp who would never recommend it to a 20 year old who is just loosing his hair, more likely to a 30 year old who is far along say NW3. I know lots of people on here had GPs tell them its natural for guys to loose hair or that they weren't really loosing hair just having their hairline mature so these posters took it into their own hands to get Propecia. This way there are more young people on the drug who are possibly more prone to side effects? Just something that passed through my head.

[Cr779]

JDuff what you're doing is the exact same as all the people who claim anti propecia people do when they "scare monger". Telling people they have nothing to worry about and that if you don't get on propecia right now that you will be bald and regret it is a horrible way to approach the drug. It's a drug that can have serious negative side effects, the FDA even requires them to warn for possible persisting ones now.

Guygroomest2012 how about you take 10 seconds before you post next time you come off as a self absorbed child. Take about 15 seconds and think how you would react if your sexual function started to act different. But of course, this is something that could and never would happen to you, lets just attack anyone who suggest such a thing. If you actually read around the forum forist before trash talking Chrisis you could follow his chain of thoughts, when he was getting on the drug and that it's clearly not in his head.

People like you give hairloss forums a bad name and cause anyone with questions or doubts about Propecia to have to go to sites like Propecia help in order to avoid being flamed, and then once someone approaches those sites they get branded a crazy person and shouldn't be taken seriously according to people like you.

Chrisis is one of the most moderate posters to have suffered some side effect from propecia and I'm taking the time to write this since his input has been the most valuable to me as I've browsed this forum trying to decide if I wanted to take propecia or not.

[chrisis]

I think people clearly have an emotional response to this drug.

Those who have positive experiences tend to belittle side effects, even claim those who suffer are hypochondriacs and such.

Those who suffer are (understandably) likely to have quite a negative opinion.

A balanced opinion is somewhere in between. It's unquestionably a drug that can cause problems, but the risks must be weighed against the benefit of retaining hair.

[Dan26]

You know what, it'll be the same Finasteride "skeptics"/internet hypochondriacs that will be posting here 2+ years from now as a NW 5/6, because they had a ball ache one night or watery jizz.

If you understood the science of hairloss and human biology, you would accept the fact that it is pretty damn sad finasteride is what most balding men are forced to turn to...

If you're not on Fin, you're going to loose your hair. Enjoy.

If you were knowledgeable, resourceful, and took the time to educate yourself, you would realize this statement is false...

[chrisis]

JDuff, I bet my hair is fuller than yours and I'm just on minoxidil with a hair transplant which will improve my hairline further.

Propecia is a drug that works by changing your hormonal system. If you seriously think that the numerous men coming forward reporting problems after taking the drug are skeptics or hypochondriacs, then I can't put into words the amount of contempt I have for you.

This is a drug, not candy. Get real and stop dismissing the legitimate and genuine problems that are being reported. You don't have the experience or qualification to speak with any authority and you potentially mislead other men into causing serious and permanent damage to their sexual health.

[JDuff]

You know what, it'll be the same Finasteride "skeptics"/internet hypochondriacs that will be posting here 2+ years from now as a NW 5/6, because they had a ball ache one night or watery jizz.

If you're not on Fin, you're going to loose your hair. Enjoy.

[chrisis]

Wow chris you made it sound like you grew a pair of breasts and an arm out of your ass. Its very possible its all mental, reduced sensitivity. To what? I get reduced sensitivity if i switch brands of condoms, or if i excersise consistently im more sesitive. If if i jerk it twice a day less volume. Way to over exagerate. Its like the people losing hair because their freaking out about losing hair. Way to post bullshit

You haven't got a clue what you're talking about.

[guygroomes12]

Wow chris you made it sound like you grew a pair of breasts and an arm out of your ass. Its very possible its all mental, reduced sensitivity. To what? I get reduced sensitivity if i switch brands of condoms, or if i excersise consistently im more sesitive. If if i jerk it twice a day less volume. Way to over exagerate. Its like the people losing hair because their freaking out about losing hair. Way to post bullshit

[Dan26]

Agreed. Particularly on your point about young men, how many young men participated in these trials? I'm convinced the vast majority will be 30s, 40s or older.

This means the safety of this drug for young men on the basis of these trials is not known. No one seems to identify this as a huge flaw.

Yes Chris, it is of crucial importance to note the exclusion criteria in clinical trials! These were healthy men, the majority of which were well past the age in which DHT no longer aids in 'development' (early-mid20's).

[chrisis]

Chrisis what has fin done to you? (I don't mean to bring up bad thoughts/memories I just haven't heard your story) I am considering starting the drug and would like some more input.

I don't know how that's possible, since apparently I can't stop talking about it



I started on finasteride earlier in 2012. I was optimistic about it, dismissed the chance of side effects as small. Within 2 months I experienced serious sexual dysfunction. The effects were not just psychological, but physical too. I didn't lose erections, but I did lose sensitivity and volume of semen reduced noticeably. It's been 7-8 months and I'm still suffering reduced libido, reduced sensitivity and reduced volume. I rage at those who suggest all of this is psychological and have to wonder if they have a vested interest in the drug.

[typicallyconcerned]

Chrisis what has fin done to you? (I don't mean to bring up bad thoughts/memories I just haven't heard your story) I am considering starting the drug and would like some more input.

[chrisis]

Bottom line: It really is not optimal to reduce DHT by such large percentages, especially at a young age. Of course, most people will react fine to it, but we are not all the same.

Agreed. Particularly on your point about young men, how many young men participated in these trials? I'm convinced the vast majority will be 30s, 40s or older.

This means the safety of this drug for young men on the basis of these trials is not known. No one seems to identify this as a huge flaw.

[chrisis]

By the way, The Examiner is not even a legitimate media outlet. Almost anyone can blog for it. It's laughable!

The point of linking to that article was to highlight how Propecia sales are falling and lawsuits against Merck are increasing. Unless you believe this is not the case and can provide information to support, then the source is totally irrelevant.

There are plenty of pro-Propecia threads, I linked to one (that I had no participation in) from just October. And let me be clear: any thread I have ever started about Propecia side effects has resulted in me being jumped on by a hoard of Propecia supporters. Isn't it worse to attack someone who is legitimately suffering, than for that person to try to correct inaccurate statements when he sees them, i.e. here? I don't get why you guys become the victims in this scenario. Totally backwards.

[chrisis]

Wait dude. What evidence? I only saw link to this.

http://www.examiner.com/article/propecia-lawsuits-skyrocket-as-sales-of-merck-s-risky-baldness-drug-dive

A bunch of anecdotes from guys trying to sue a company doesn't measure up against double blind clinical trials.

You conveniently glossed over this (although rising litigation and falling profit is factual, regardless of the source):

"On September 30, 2004, Merck voluntarily withdrew rofecoxib from the market because of concerns about increased risk of heart attack and stroke associated with long-term, high-dosage use. Merck withdrew the drug after disclosures that it withheld information about rofecoxib's risks from doctors and patients for over five years, resulting in between 88,000 and 140,000 cases of serious heart disease.[2] Rofecoxib was one of the most widely used drugs ever to be withdrawn from the market. In the year before withdrawal, Merck had sales revenue of US$2.5 billion from Vioxx.[3] By the time it was discontinued in 2004, it had already caused an estimated 60,000 deaths worldwide."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rofecoxib

Your "double blind trials" count for nothing when one of the companies conducing trials for their own drugs has a reputation for lying to make money.

[inspects]

I thought it would be good to start a thread on this topic.

From my own personal experience, I have taken this drug for around 5-6 years now with great success and no side effects.

Me too Chris...wish I would have started taking it 10 years ago....probably wouldn't have needed the transplant.

I'm in my 50's, have no side-effects on me whatsoever, everything works fine and my hair is coming in great where I didn't have follicles transplanted and where they were transplanted.