There are no hairloss treatments.

[yeahyeahyeah]

That is 100% true. However, some males do not experience this. It is very rare though. These who do not experience this are the anomaly, not the norm.

Its more common then you think.

Again, you are going to tell me to go outside and look.

I personally have 4 uncles with ZERO hairloss at 50. They dont take any meds.

Explain that?

I know others who have zero hairloss too.

The fact that a mature hairline often progresses to MPB, means that it IS IN FACT MPB

[Tracy C]

Some degree of follicular
miniaturisation and consequential hair loss is
universal and is considered to be a physiologi-
cal secondary sexual characteristic.


So I take this to mean that some loss of hair is supposed to happen just like beard growth.

That is 100% true. However, some males do not experience this. It is very rare though. These who do not experience this are the anomaly, not the norm.

[nick9278]

Dear Diary,

WHYYY MEEEE?!!?!

Yours truly,

yeahyeahyeah

[mpb47]

The vast majority of guys want to believe that this is a myth. It isn't a myth. This is one of those natural and normal male physical traits that differs from females like bigger hands, bigger feet, deeper voice, wider shoulders and so on.

Whether you wait to treat it or not is entirely up to you. It is your decision alone and no one can or should make it for you. You can only try to predict what will happen but you cannot know for sure what will happen. You need to look at your male relatives from both sides of your family to try to determine if it is likely to get worse or not.

Maybe this will help your case if you call it a secondary sexual trait like this Dr. mentions in his article. Sorry for the improper citation format:
Sinclair -Male androgenetic alopecia
JMHG Vol. 1, No. 4, pp. 319–327, December 2004

"Androgenetic alopecia, also known as com-
mon baldness, hereditary baldness and andro-
genic alopecia is the most common cause of
hair loss in men. It is distinctive due to the
pattern of progression of the scalp hair loss.
Genetically predisposed men initially develop
bitemporal recession. Next they develop dif-
fuse frontal loss and thereafter a bald patch
over the vertex of the scalp. Ultimately all the
hair over the crown is lost. The pathogenesis
involves androgen-induced miniaturisation of
terminal hairs into vellus hairs in affected
regions of the scalp. Some degree of follicular
miniaturisation and consequential hair loss is
universal and is considered to be a physiologi-
cal secondary sexual characteristic.


So I take this to mean that some loss of hair is supposed to happen just like beard growth. It may be the first sign of mpb but it is going to happen whether you end up with mpb later or not (most likely unfortunately IMHO)

Now as to how common mpb is , he went on to say this:

" Those with a strong predisposition bald in
their teens, and those with a weak
predisposition may not bald until
they are in their 60s or 70s. Fewer
than 15% of men have little or no
baldness by the age of 70 ."


So it sounds like mpb does follow most of the time at some point.
So Yea you should consider temple recession normal and it sounds like your family keeps their hair for a long time anyway. I can tell you firsthand that you can keep your mature hairline for a long time. I stayed that way for nearly 20 years before my mpb started to appear.

So just monitor it with pics like the others have said and you should be fine.

[yeahyeahyeah]

Yeah,
Imo getting a hair transplant in your case would be a big mistake. You have little to no visible loss right now. Getting a hair transplant to lower your hairline to NW 0 or 1 at a young age is risky. Sure there seems to be great treatments on the horizon but there is no guarantee that they will come to fruition. There is also no way to 100% tell what the future holds for you in terms of hair loss. If you end up experiencing aggressive hair loss in the future and none of the future treatments come to market you are going to have a strip of hair at your juvenile hairline and not enough grafts to cover your head. Granted that would be the worst case scenario, but the risk vs. reward in your case is not favorable. You have great hair right now.

To be frank with you, you would probably be better off spending time and money trying to figure out why you are so consumed by your hair loss. Most of the people on this forum have a reason to be so depressed, from looking at your pictures I don't see why you are freaking out. If I was you I wouldn't even know these forums existed because you have no need for them. I don't want to be a dick but come on man your hair is amazing. This thread is 14 pages long with you freaking out about being bald, and if I saw you on the street I wouldn't even consider you to have lost one hair. In fact I would look at you like I do all the other guys I see with great hair, with envy.

Yeah I understand GreatJob!

I guess the problem with hairloss is exactly that, it is unpredictable. I have great hair right now, but who knows what the future holds. The fact that I have lost a little bit of hair, demonstrates one thing; I carry the hairloss gene. It just hasn't expressed itself aggressively...I have cousins, who have lost ZERO hairs at 30.

This is why I am depressed, because hair - no matter how minor the loss is, forms apart of your identity.

[greatjob!]

Yeah,
Imo getting a hair transplant in your case would be a big mistake. You have little to no visible loss right now. Getting a hair transplant to lower your hairline to NW 0 or 1 at a young age is risky. Sure there seems to be great treatments on the horizon but there is no guarantee that they will come to fruition. There is also no way to 100% tell what the future holds for you in terms of hair loss. If you end up experiencing aggressive hair loss in the future and none of the future treatments come to market you are going to have a strip of hair at your juvenile hairline and not enough grafts to cover your head. Granted that would be the worst case scenario, but the risk vs. reward in your case is not favorable. You have great hair right now.

To be frank with you, you would probably be better off spending time and money trying to figure out why you are so consumed by your hair loss. Most of the people on this forum have a reason to be so depressed, from looking at your pictures I don't see why you are freaking out. If I was you I wouldn't even know these forums existed because you have no need for them. I don't want to be a dick but come on man your hair is amazing. This thread is 14 pages long with you freaking out about being bald, and if I saw you on the street I wouldn't even consider you to have lost one hair. In fact I would look at you like I do all the other guys I see with great hair, with envy.

[yeahyeahyeah]

Would that even be classified as MPB?

All MPB'ers start with a matured hairline. Then it gets worse in a year or two. Diffuse thinners I think thin all over? Without a receding hairline.

But then again all hairlines mature sooner or later. Unless you're John Cena, with his juvenile hairline. I guess a matured hairline can go two ways. You can keep going to a classic MPB, or you can keep that matured hairline.

Sigh. God knows.

My hairline has been stable for 2 years without fin or anything. I know that much.

Older brother, same hairline, year older - same rate of 'balding'. His hair is still very very thick.

[PatientlyWaiting]

Yeah, its hard to predict TBH.

But I think a poster here wrote earlier (ryan555) how his grandad matured to a NW2 in his 20s, and kept it till he died.

God, so frustrating.

TBH if I do get a HT, I will try a low dose of fin first.

Would that even be classified as MPB?

All MPB'ers start with a matured hairline. Then it gets worse in a year or two. Diffuse thinners I think thin all over? Without a receding hairline.

But then again all hairlines mature sooner or later. Unless you're John Cena, with his juvenile hairline. I guess a matured hairline can go two ways. You can keep going to a classic MPB, or you can keep that matured hairline.

[yeahyeahyeah]

With celebs, you can never tell if they're just that lucky to only have a matured hairline in to their 60s, or if they have done some kind of HT or have a wig.

If you replace the celebs you just mentioned, with Bob from right around the corner, or your next door neighbor John, or Bill from down the block...if these guys are hit with MPB, they will be hit entirely. But with celebs, you can never be too sure what they have done to their hair.

Good luck if you get the HT though.

Yeah, its hard to predict TBH.

But I think a poster here wrote earlier (ryan555) how his grandad matured to a NW2 in his 20s, and kept it till he died.

God, so frustrating.

TBH if I do get a HT, I will try a low dose of fin first.

[PatientlyWaiting]

Hopefully better treatments are out by then, plus - aren't there many cases where guys receed a bit and then it stops?

Pierce brosnan, Gary oldman, John terry, Jordan knight being examples of this?

With celebs, you can never tell if they're just that lucky to only have a matured hairline in to their 60s, or if they have done some kind of HT or have a wig.

If you replace the celebs you just mentioned, with Bob from right around the corner, or your next door neighbor John, or Bill from down the block...if these guys are hit with MPB, they will be hit entirely. But with celebs, you can never be too sure what they have done to their hair.

Good luck if you get the HT though.

[yeahyeahyeah]

Yeah, I know, that's why I said when you start thinning back there. If you have MPB and aren't taking fin, you'll thin in the vertex and middle eventually. But i'm sure you'll just get HT's there when it does happen right?

Hopefully better treatments are out by then, plus - aren't there many cases where guys receed a bit and then it stops?

Pierce brosnan, Gary oldman, John terry, Jordan knight being examples of this?

[PatientlyWaiting]

Yeah, I know, that's why I said when you start thinning back there. If you have MPB and aren't taking fin, you'll thin in the vertex and middle eventually. But i'm sure you'll just get HT's there when it does happen right?

[yeahyeahyeah]

How much will that cost?

So you only want to lower your hairline? Why not start from the back, in the vertex? It's gonna look weird when you start going thin on top. Start from the back and work your way down the hairline, with 2-3 HT's. If you can afford it of course.

Im not thinning behind the hairline.

[PatientlyWaiting]

Dr ferundi (SP?) has got back to me 1800 - 2200 grafts to lower hairline.

How much will that cost?

So you only want to lower your hairline? Why not start from the back, in the vertex? It's gonna look weird when you start going thin on top. Start from the back and work your way down the hairline, with 2-3 HT's. If you can afford it of course.

[BaldinLikeBaldwin]

that's a lot of grafts for a relatively small area...how many grafts can usually be taken from the average donor area, isn't it around 6-7k?