anyone worried by this video?

[Halo7557]

[Gubter_87]

ryan555; Spot on!
For me the anxiety, depression, social phobia, sleep disturbance and lack of life energy and all the other symptoms my hair loss is causing is way more detrimental to my health than finasteride could ever be...

I wish that I had started finasteride earlier and that I had been consistent in my use of it - because then it is likely that my hair would be in a better state than it is right now.

Sure there are risks involved in everything we do, and I am not saying that finasteride may not cause permanent side effects or whatever. It's just that the risk/benefit ratio, for me, makes being on finasteride a no brainer.

[ryan555]

hi ryan,

no worries man, you didnt crap on any point. im not here to be right, im here to learn and help and share information.

im really curious what kind of diet were you on for 15 years? im sorry to hear it didnt help. are you sure it was my diet? as in a raw vegan diet? or was it a diet with lots of vegetables but everything was cooked and you still ate meat, and drank coffee and ate pasta and bread?

oh btw, becareful with the word 'conspiracy'. that word can be used to throw information out the window without first actually looking at it. if you look at the information you'll find its effective business, thats all. is it a conspiracy that finasteride is bad for us? no, that stuff is very bad for us, true fact.

I've been a vegan for 20 years. Over the past 15, I have eliminated almost all refined sugar, alcohol, caffeine, etc. A few years ago, I also discovered I was allergic to soy and eliminated that as well.

As far as the "conspiracy" point, I don't believe it's safe to make a blanket statement that finasteride is "bad for us." I personally don't feel any different since I stopped taking the drug several months ago so I'm not sure it was harming me. While I will agree that the natural state is ideal, that doesn't mean that most guys are harmed by taking it. For guys with BPH or who are at risk of prostate cancer, one could make the argument that the medication is actually good for them. Even for those who take it for cosmetic purposes, they might be better off than living with the extreme anxiety and depression that some experience over hair loss. Again, all drugs have side effects, the benefit vs risk is what determines if the drug is a good treatment or not.

[Gubter_87]

The professor that held the lecture I had in mind is reseraching different aspects of nutrition. I am really just starting to get into it in my studies, so can't really be of much hellp. But I am sure you can find loads of information about it out there.

An example would be that Zink and carbohydrates will affect neural transmittors and hormones, which in the end will affect how genes are expressed.

And once again I just want to say that I do not believe that balding is caused by bad diet or deficiencies. However I do believe that by changing your diet you can affect how your genes are expressed, and that can both be inhibiting and aggravating when it comes to balding.

[dfoz]

I believe nutrition is underrated when it comes to a lot of things.
The recommended daily intake of a vitamin or mineral is merely based on a figure where 98 % of the population will not get deficiency symptoms. It is NOT based on the accurate measure to provide health benefits nor is it based on the upper lever for toxicity.

I have spoken to professors who are reseraching in the field and according to them nutrition can actually go into cells and change gene expression. So if you say that your diet helped with your hair loss, then I believe you. However I don't believe it will work for everyone, and I would never recommend that someone who feels really depressed gets off finasteride to try it.

Thanks man, I totally agree with you with everything you said. I always mention that this might not work for everyone. As long as people are aware of the dangerous effects of finasteride, as well as the positives and dangers of other treatments, they are completely free to choose whatever they want. Im not against that at all, im just providing another alternative.

do the professors you have spoken to have any papers out on the subject or anything i can read or find more information about? sounds really interesting. when you say they are in the field, do you mean hair field or general gene field?

cheers man!

[Gubter_87]

I believe nutrition is underrated when it comes to a lot of things.
The recommended daily intake of a vitamin or mineral is merely based on a figure where 98 % of the population will not get deficiency symptoms. It is NOT based on the accurate measure to provide health benefits nor is it based on the upper lever for toxicity.

I have spoken to professors who are reseraching in the field and according to them nutrition can actually go into cells and change gene expression. So if you say that your diet helped with your hair loss, then I believe you. However I don't believe it will work for everyone, and I would never recommend that someone who feels really depressed gets off finasteride to try it.

[dfoz]

hi ryan,

no worries man, you didnt crap on any point. im not here to be right, im here to learn and help and share information.

im really curious what kind of diet were you on for 15 years? im sorry to hear it didnt help. are you sure it was my diet? as in a raw vegan diet? or was it a diet with lots of vegetables but everything was cooked and you still ate meat, and drank coffee and ate pasta and bread?

oh btw, becareful with the word 'conspiracy'. that word can be used to throw information out the window without first actually looking at it. if you look at the information you'll find its effective business, thats all. is it a conspiracy that finasteride is bad for us? no, that stuff is very bad for us, true fact.

[ryan555]

That is very unfortunate. If anyone is waiting for a CURE, you wont find it from big pharma, im sorry you wont. they arent after a cure because if there's a cure, you wont be a customer anymore. im sorry, its the sad truth. as you can see they are looking out for themselves, not for us and our health. I did find a way to cure myself and it was through nutrition. it cost me nothing. no products, no treatments. i have written how i did it on my health blog here: http://rockmybody.wordpress.com/2010...i-got-it-back/

it was 100% safe, no side effects no nothing. There arent many people on this diet who are bald. ive heard one guy say he was balding until he started this diet and his hair stopped receding. my hair, my skin, my health is amazing now. i have thick hair, glowing skin and i dont remember the last time i was sick. i really, really, really hope it helps. all the information is free and i will be adding to it as i find more information so stay tuned to that post.

I don't think it's a conspiracy. The only way to "cure" baldness is by altering genetics and there are indeed companies working on that. Even the new tissue regeneration products are not meant to be a cure, just another treatment option.

Not to crap on your point, but I have been on nearly the exact diet you advocate for over 15 years and it did not stop my hair from falling out. Propecia is the only thing that ever helped with that.

[dfoz]

can any medical professionals on the site care to comment?

That is very unfortunate. If anyone is waiting for a CURE, you wont find it from big pharma, im sorry you wont. they arent after a cure because if there's a cure, you wont be a customer anymore. im sorry, its the sad truth. as you can see they are looking out for themselves, not for us and our health. I did find a way to cure myself and it was through nutrition. it cost me nothing. no products, no treatments. i have written how i did it on my health blog here: http://rockmybody.wordpress.com/2010...i-got-it-back/

it was 100% safe, no side effects no nothing. There arent many people on this diet who are bald. ive heard one guy say he was balding until he started this diet and his hair stopped receding. my hair, my skin, my health is amazing now. i have thick hair, glowing skin and i dont remember the last time i was sick. i really, really, really hope it helps. all the information is free and i will be adding to it as i find more information so stay tuned to that post.

[F67]

Hey F67, sounds like we are about in the same boat with respect to how long we've taken Propecia. I too believe that I have had great results keeping hair on Propecia, and am quite sure that I will quickly progress to a more advanced bald stage now that I am off the drug..perhapst to a N4 or N5. I'd rate myself a N3 now and going downhill fast. I'm terrified at the way this will all play out with respects to losing hair. I've always taken a great amount of pride in my looks, and am often thought to be around 30 when I'm actually 40! Losing this type of powerful "currency" with the opposite sex has always been my motivation for staying on the drug, as I am still single.. but plan to find someone and settle down.

With respects to having kids.. which I as of yet am still undecided, but want the option. As I understand it, being on propecia is not advisable if you are trying to conceive. I've heard conflicting opinions on this, and if anyone knows for sure about conception and propecia, please post info!! (seems rarely talked about). I once had a hair consultation with a Dr. Rob Jones in Oakville, Ont. (yeah.. the one Kobren bashes regularily). When I told him I was on already on propecia and had questions about having kids while on the drug, he almost gleefully told me that Merck or someone had just recently approved the drug in this respect and there were no issues or worries!! (this was like 2004/05). I don't know if this is true, so if someone else does.. please elucidate! All sensibility would tell me being on propecia and conceiving a child would NOT be advisable!!

As for being alright with not being on propecia, well.. no I'm not alright with it, but look at my options. Feels fricking GREAT to have my dick back and working fine, and I have a noticable and surprising rise in aggression, like as I remember in my 20s (feels great, but we'll see how long it lasts). I knew my logic was ****ed when I started taking another drug to counteract the effects of the first drug I was taking (cialis for propecia). That was the last straw for me, I thought.. this is ****ing insane.. I can't live like this anymore.

$.02

Thanks for your 2 cents, much appreciated.

Funnily, we're quite similar. I, too, look in my early 30s. Most of the girls I date are between 21 and 32 - not bad for a 43year old. However, like you, who the hell wants to take frickin' ED meds to bang girls. I feel like it's a sham.

There is a big part of me that wants to be natural and accept hair loss. For me, the final straw was the non-existent sperm. If there was any ejaculate, it as very watery. I'm also single, but would like to have kids and I can't see myself being able to father a child went I'm shooting blanks!

Do you have any strategy to guide you through this impending hair loss? I'm still on Propecia and thinking getting my hair cut very shot (almost head shaved, but not quite). There is no way I'll wear a wig...

F67

PS. Are you in Ontario? I'm in Alberta

[F67]

Got it. This may sound like a stupid question given you would be fixing a problem that was caused by a drug with another drug , but have you tried any of the legal ED products that are out there?

Yup - i was taking ED meds to offset the challenges from Propecia. However, it was never the same. Besides, do you want to be taking a drug just before you want to have sex? For me, this is not the way to go.

What concerns me now is that my semen is very water and almost non-existent. It decreased when is started taking Propecia, but over the years, it's gotten even worse.

[skipstah70]

Thanks for your story.

I started taking Propecia when I was about 31 - I'm now 43 and have been on it for 12 years. I had erection problems within days of taking Propecia, but vanity has kept me taking it. The effects on my hair were simply amazing. If I never took Propecia, I'm sure I would be a NW5/6 by now, whereas I'm a NW3/4, right now. I want to get off Propecia, but I'm afraid my hair will fall out. I'm a professional male and what I'm doing is irrational, yet I continue.

Are you okay with continued hair loss now that you're off Propecia?

Are you married? kids?

Hey F67, sounds like we are about in the same boat with respect to how long we've taken Propecia. I too believe that I have had great results keeping hair on Propecia, and am quite sure that I will quickly progress to a more advanced bald stage now that I am off the drug..perhapst to a N4 or N5. I'd rate myself a N3 now and going downhill fast. I'm terrified at the way this will all play out with respects to losing hair. I've always taken a great amount of pride in my looks, and am often thought to be around 30 when I'm actually 40! Losing this type of powerful "currency" with the opposite sex has always been my motivation for staying on the drug, as I am still single.. but plan to find someone and settle down.

With respects to having kids.. which I as of yet am still undecided, but want the option. As I understand it, being on propecia is not advisable if you are trying to conceive. I've heard conflicting opinions on this, and if anyone knows for sure about conception and propecia, please post info!! (seems rarely talked about). I once had a hair consultation with a Dr. Rob Jones in Oakville, Ont. (yeah.. the one Kobren bashes regularily). When I told him I was on already on propecia and had questions about having kids while on the drug, he almost gleefully told me that Merck or someone had just recently approved the drug in this respect and there were no issues or worries!! (this was like 2004/05). I don't know if this is true, so if someone else does.. please elucidate! All sensibility would tell me being on propecia and conceiving a child would NOT be advisable!!

As for being alright with not being on propecia, well.. no I'm not alright with it, but look at my options. Feels fricking GREAT to have my dick back and working fine, and I have a noticable and surprising rise in aggression, like as I remember in my 20s (feels great, but we'll see how long it lasts). I knew my logic was ****ed when I started taking another drug to counteract the effects of the first drug I was taking (cialis for propecia). That was the last straw for me, I thought.. this is ****ing insane.. I can't live like this anymore.

$.02

[bluewater]

Got it. This may sound like a stupid question given you would be fixing a problem that was caused by a drug with another drug , but have you tried any of the legal ED products that are out there?

[F67]

Age maybe? How old are you? We all age differently. What has it done for your hair loss? Has it grown new hair in places you didn't have it? thicken it in others? What are the benefits as you already may know the draw backs? I can't tell if it is doing anything for me either way.

I haven't grown hair in the front and temple areas. I don't have balding on the top or in the back. The most I can claim is that it has slowed the process.

read my previous posts from a few days ago for those answers. Propecia definitely works on the hair, but it works on destroying your penis function. At 31, when i first took Propecia, I could got all day/night long. Soon after taking it, my gf said it destroyed my sexual performance, which became non-existent. I'm not saying this will happen to everyone, that's what happened to me.

I'm not hear to tell others to get off Procpeia, that's their choice. I'm more interested in hearing from those that got off it and were able to get back to 'normal' function.

[bluewater]

Are you certain it is drug related and not something else?

Age maybe? How old are you? We all age differently. What has it done for your hair loss? Has it grown new hair in places you didn't have it? thicken it in others? What are the benefits as you already may know the draw backs? I can't tell if it is doing anything for me either way.

I haven't grown hair in the front and temple areas. I don't have balding on the top or in the back. The most I can claim is that it has slowed the process.