Dissapointed with plucking and acell any advice going forward !

[HairRobinHood]

okay, it is a new "study" by Gho, but the same as the previous "study", just this time is for burn victims.

I don't want "studies" Iron_Man, I want real clinical trials, and real patients, with big restaurations (not celebrity crap). And I want you, Iron_Man, to go to Gho, and show us your "big restauration". You said that you would go to Gho in 1 year. Why waiting? I am sure Gho willl give you priority on the waiting list as you are doing him such a good advertising-job.

Interesting - first you critized me because of "ACell/Cooley/Hitzig hyping", now you critize me for just posting a topic-related link (irrelevant who are the authors). Then you created multiple threads on HairSite with blaming claims about Dr. Cooley and especially against Dr. Hitzig (and WHO tried to stop you?) - so what?

And you really think you are THE Spanish Dud, who decides what is relevant for a discussion and what is not relevant? Sorry Spanish Dud, but everbody knows that you're a "not very intelligent person".

[Spanish Dude]

Topcat, I agree with your criticism towards Cooley, but at least he has quickly acknowledged the failure, and this is something that we should value. Just remember for example how Dr. Gho treated his failed patient Syrup on Hairsite? Gho treated Syrup like shit, and even said that the result was good (come on Iron_Man, attack me).

Bakerz, Dr. Cooley specifically stated that he wrongly assumed Acell prevented donor scars. It should have been discussed with the patient that this was an assumption and as of yet had not been proven. Price is irrelevant to the issue.

It’s very easy to preach when it is someone else that has to bear the scars.
If the patient didn’t pay to have the plucking then obviously he is not due any type of refund. But if plucking was used in any way as a loss leader, then that’s a different story. I am not saying that is what happened here. But I have been around long enough to know that too many in this industry over promise and under deliver. Too much hype with no solid pictorial proof does raise somewhat of a red flag. But desperate patients are always blinded by hope so it is important that they fully understand everything going into the procedure.

A better approach would be to under promise and over deliver.

[Spanish Dude]

No Spanish Dud, it isn't "the same link".

And there is nothing left here to discuss.

okay, it is a new "study" by Gho, but the same as the previous "study", just this time is for burn victims.

I don't want "studies" Iron_Man, I want real clinical trials, and real patients, with big restaurations (not celebrity crap). And I want you, Iron_Man, to go to Gho, and show us your "big restauration". You said that you would go to Gho in 1 year. Why waiting? I am sure Gho willl give you priority on the waiting list as you are doing him such a good advertising-job.

[topcat]

Bakerz, Dr. Cooley specifically stated that he wrongly assumed Acell prevented donor scars. It should have been discussed with the patient that this was an assumption and as of yet had not been proven. Price is irrelevant to the issue.

It’s very easy to preach when it is someone else that has to bear the scars.
If the patient didn’t pay to have the plucking then obviously he is not due any type of refund. But if plucking was used in any way as a loss leader, then that’s a different story. I am not saying that is what happened here. But I have been around long enough to know that too many in this industry over promise and under deliver. Too much hype with no solid pictorial proof does raise somewhat of a red flag. But desperate patients are always blinded by hope so it is important that they fully understand everything going into the procedure.

A better approach would be to under promise and over deliver.

[Spanish Dude]

Spanish Dude, I don't know why you can't PM me. I must admit that I do have a difficult time navigating this site. You can e-mail me at ----------@yahoo.com

When I go to your profile, I click on "Send message" and a drop-down option seems to try to appear, but it doesn't.
This works with other users, but not with you.
Well, anyway, I will email you (edit: just emailed you).

[topcat]

Spanish Dude, I don't know why you can't PM me. I must admit that I do have a difficult time navigating this site. You can e-mail me at htrepair1@yahoo.com

[HairRobinHood]

oh, no, please, the same Gho-link again!! LOL!

No Spanish Dud, it isn't "the same link".

And there is nothing left here to discuss.

[rapunzal]

yes one would assume that the skeleton grafts from plucking could use skelton slits ..
i think i remember reading somewhere that dr rassman used slits for regular FUT a little longer than the average (i cant find the post to back it up) where he said that he can place two grafts in the same slit at either end which meant that one of his slits overall was smaller than the regular two slits for two grafts. not sure if this has any merit in plucking.

[Spanish Dude]

Oh, believe me Spanish Dude, if someone is doing everything in a "proper way" plucked hairs work perfectly fine in each and every skin tissue - even for scars and burns:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21163581

oh, no, please, the same Gho-link again!! LOL!
I am not going to engage in another lengthy Gho discussion here. I have said many times what I think about Gho, and its not good.
Now we are discussing about ejj, and Cooley.

[Spanish Dude]

in ejj's case it is probably safe if it fails, but not for someone thats diffuse because if it fails the situation could be a lot worse after permanent shockloss

oh, yeah, of course, if you plant the plucked hairs in a diffuse area to gain density, you could damage the surrounding follicles, although this could be minimized if you make very small slits/holes to plant the plucked hairs in (plucked hairs have very thin bottoms, so they require small holes).

[HairRobinHood]

Yes, its funny, in fact I asked this question myself too.
Dr. Cooley previously said that autocloning worked on scar tissue (50% yield) and now it seems that it doesn't work in scar tissue, and probably doesn't even work in bald (but healthy) tissue.
Yes, it is funny. well, it is NOT, really.

Oh, believe me Spanish Dude, if someone is doing everything in a "proper way" plucked hairs work perfectly fine in each and every skin tissue - even for scars and burns:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21163581

[Spanish Dude]

addendum to my previous post:

Yes, its funny, in fact I asked this question myself too.
Dr. Cooley previously said that autocloning worked on scar tissue (50% yield) and now it seems that it doesn't work on scar tissue anymore, and probably doesn't even work in bald (but healthy) tissue because there are no healthy follicles around to take stem cells from.
Yes, it is funny. well, it is NOT, really.

[rapunzal]

Autoplucking is safe, even if it fails, because it doesn't deplete the donor.

in ejj's case it is probably safe if it fails, but not for someone thats diffuse because if it fails the situation could be a lot worse after permanent shockloss

[Spanish Dude]

@Spanish Dud, look, there is no wonder why they ask such questions:



Isn't that funny?

Yes, its funny, in fact I asked this question myself too.
Dr. Cooley previously said that autocloning worked on scar tissue (50% yield) and now it seems that it doesn't work on scar tissue anymore, and probably doesn't even work in bald (but healthy) tissue.
Yes, it is funny. well, it is NOT, really.

[Spanish Dude]

Dr. Cooley, there is something that I don't understand.
This patient was oviously a donor-strapped patient, after 5 previous strips.
Considering that you were already starting to see the autoplucking potential using Acell, why didn't you act conservatively?...I mean, instead of forcing 3 additional strips in "non-safe aras", and using-up 2000 donor grafts, why didn't you just do an autoplucking test, to see if it worked, and then expand on it?


@ejj, were you so desperate for "fast hair" that you pushed Cooley into taking those 3 additional strips?