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mic28
09-08-2015, 01:59 AM
Any update guys? Been off finasteride for a couple of weeks now. Shedding isn't crazy but still getting it and scalp is still itchy. Hair is also very thin.
Currently on tacrilomus in the evening, hydroxychloroquine and 1mg minoxidil

Dench57
09-10-2015, 06:37 AM
Hey all.

Scalp burning/itching is still 24/7 and getting worse. I can no longer hide the "hotspot" above my right temple that has been burnt away. I had my haircut recently and it looked okay, but now that it's grown out a bit it's much more visible, the long hairs are just wispy and thin. Which sucks because I hate having short hair and love longer hair that I can style.

I tried Sulfasalazine and within 4 days on a low-dose I got aggressive gyno, nipples were really painful/aching. I literally couldn't believe it was happening, like how much more unlucky can I get!? It's not even a listed side effect so I have no idea what is going on with my body. Just another extremely rare reaction that I'll have to deal with now. Been 2 weeks and it continues to progress.

I've been prescribed Doxepin, another tricyclic anti-depressant which reduces burning pain/itching. I pray to god this works but it also has gyno as a side effect, and since i'm already susceptible, I can assume it will make my gyno worse. I have no choice but to try it though, this scalp pain is basically ruining my life, I find it hard to sleep at night because of it and have been missing work.

I'm also in the Setipiprant group buy but that will take a few months to arrive. I've also bought some Daivobet (topical anti-inflammatory with calcipotriol, 10x stronger than the Betacap I was using) which I hope at least can give me temporary relief. Also bought some Adenogen which I'll try out but not expecting much.

Dench57
09-10-2015, 06:40 AM
double post

charlie76761
09-10-2015, 07:36 AM
double post

Hi Dench,i feel your pain. I did have it bad a couple of years ago and eventually got a solution from a great Dermatologist in the form of Cocois lotion which you leave on over night. Lifted heavy plagues etc right off the scalp - amazing stuff and got rid. highly recommend - have you tried. Read the reviews on amazon

Been fine for a while until of late when been using BIM, OC and CB. Itch got fairly intense until the point that a hot shower on my head was not far equaling a big O/ Sex. serious. Dandruff also

I believe the current episode is either the 95% ethanol i was putting on my head or OC... (people had spoke about OC bringing on itch, and i also found it my entire skin was really really itch.. this only occurred after starting OC. V tight correlation)

I've got some Seti and TM coming from Kane (was planning to drop OC and use these) but i think i'm going to drop all Seti/TM and OC for a bit as think they might well be the culprit.. it cant be a co-incidence that someone on the GB from *** spoke about Seti drying and removing all natural oil from his hair to the point that he hardly has to wash it. I believe the CRTH2 inhibitors could be responsible for drying the scalp out and causing itch.. .esp when coupled with ethanol

Are you putting an ethanol products on your scalp (apologies if stated earlier) or anything else?

jamesst11
09-10-2015, 08:27 AM
IDK if we've been over this, probably have a few times...haha... BUT, I had the same thing going on.. NIZORAL 2% SCRUB THAT SHIT IN HARD AND LEAVE FOR LIKE 7 MINUTES, follow with a gentler shampoo and rinse with freezing cold water and apply minox while hair is still damp. That's the only thing that has worked for me. I also apply a cold pack nightly and give it some pressure.

TooMuchHairWontKillYou
09-10-2015, 09:22 AM
Hey all.

Scalp burning/itching is still 24/7 and getting worse. I can no longer hide the "hotspot" above my right temple that has been burnt away. I had my haircut recently and it looked okay, but now that it's grown out a bit it's much more visible, the long hairs are just wispy and thin. Which sucks because I hate having short hair and love longer hair that I can style.

I tried Sulfasalazine and within 4 days on a low-dose I got aggressive gyno, nipples were really painful/aching. I literally couldn't believe it was happening, like how much more unlucky can I get!? It's not even a listed side effect so I have no idea what is going on with my body. Just another extremely rare reaction that I'll have to deal with now. Been 2 weeks and it continues to progress.

I've been prescribed Doxepin, another tricyclic anti-depressant which reduces burning pain/itching. I pray to god this works but it also has gyno as a side effect, and since i'm already susceptible, I can assume it will make my gyno worse. I have no choice but to try it though, this scalp pain is basically ruining my life, I find it hard to sleep at night because of it and have been missing work.

I'm also in the Setipiprant group buy but that will take a few months to arrive. I've also bought some Daivobet (topical anti-inflammatory with calcipotriol, 10x stronger than the Betacap I was using) which I hope at least can give me temporary relief. Also bought some Adenogen which I'll try out but not expecting much.

Use Laticort lossion. Its the best drug I have ever used. It kills burning in seconds

Dench57
09-10-2015, 10:16 AM
Thanks for the responses guys.


Hi Dench,i feel your pain. I did have it bad a couple of years ago and eventually got a solution from a great Dermatologist in the form of Cocois lotion which you leave on over night. Lifted heavy plagues etc right off the scalp - amazing stuff and got rid. highly recommend - have you tried. Read the reviews on amazon

Been fine for a while until of late when been using BIM, OC and CB. Itch got fairly intense until the point that a hot shower on my head was not far equaling a big O/ Sex. serious. Dandruff also

I believe the current episode is either the 95% ethanol i was putting on my head or OC... (people had spoke about OC bringing on itch, and i also found it my entire skin was really really itch.. this only occurred after starting OC. V tight correlation)

I've got some Seti and TM coming from Kane (was planning to drop OC and use these) but i think i'm going to drop all Seti/TM and OC for a bit as think they might well be the culprit.. it cant be a co-incidence that someone on the GB from *** spoke about Seti drying and removing all natural oil from his hair to the point that he hardly has to wash it. I believe the CRTH2 inhibitors could be responsible for drying the scalp out and causing itch.. .esp when coupled with ethanol

Are you putting an ethanol products on your scalp (apologies if stated earlier) or anything else?

No I haven't been putting anything in my hair in weeks. I did notice I got bouts of itching all over my body when using Ramatroban though (CRTH2 antagonist). It sounds like you may have a sensitive/dry/flaky scalp if ethanol is irritating it. Have you had psoriasis? I checked Amazon for Cocois lotion and it seems to be indicated for psoriasis and dry/flakey skin - none of which I have, in fact my scalp is oily rather than dry. All the reviews are people with psoriasis/dry/scaley scalp too unfortunately so I'm not sure what will work for me.


IDK if we've been over this, probably have a few times...haha... BUT, I had the same thing going on.. NIZORAL 2% SCRUB THAT SHIT IN HARD AND LEAVE FOR LIKE 7 MINUTES, follow with a gentler shampoo and rinse with freezing cold water and apply minox while hair is still damp. That's the only thing that has worked for me. I also apply a cold pack nightly and give it some pressure.

Tried this James, helps for about 10 minutes and then it's back. Do you think minox helps with the burning/itch sensation? I regularly have to run my head under a freezing cold shower every evening, and have taken to wearing a shower cap with a pack of frozen peas in it when at home. So retarded.


Use Laticort lossion. Its the best drug I have ever used. It kills burning in seconds

Laticort looks like quite a weak corticosteroid (hydrocortisone), and I've tried a variation of that before to no effect. I'll give it a try if I can buy it though, thanks.

mrfreeman
09-30-2015, 03:38 PM
I've had this tingling come on lately and it's really annoying (but not much hair loss). I've also had neck ache and worried it was something to do with cervical problems. There is also something called the occipital nerve at the back of the head, if that is irritated or trapped it can cause the tingling on back/top of head. There are exercises which can help with that. Have any of you considered that as a possible cause (or other spine problems)?

But it comes and goes for me and I'm fine when lying down. I think I will try Nizoral as it could be a scalp infection.

As far as the hairloss is concerned, has anyone tried the paleo type diet to see if that helps? If you cut out grains, gluten, PUFA's etc. (or at least cut down on them), it's possible your immune system might calm down a bit (if those things affect you). I think it helped me as I still have most of my hair at 40+ (hair stopped falling out a few years ago!). I did use Regaine for awhile but not lately. But I do now have some carbs like oats, and dairy because paleo is too restrictive. Anyway just an idea. Also do any foods boost DHT? Maybe that makes it worse aswell.

I hope my tingling isn't a prelude to hairloss, I suppose it will happen eventually but I would like to postpone as long as possible! I will try the Nizoral and see what happens.

burtandernie
10-13-2015, 06:20 PM
Some people claim finasteride helped the itch. I am curious how many people tried fin and the itch went away completely or if it went away at the hairline, temples or crown. Its odd why it would it worse in some people. The issue is receptors are important yet little is known about them and testosterone could be important too. Who knows though really

jamesst11
10-13-2015, 07:40 PM
I've been on fin for 7 months now and it has only made my hair much thinner. The sensations I get feel like ants crawling under my scalp, very slowly and burning. I only get these feelings on ONE side of my head and this is where it has thinned the most. There is definitely a correlation between these sensations and hair loss.

Dench57
10-14-2015, 06:17 AM
Some people claim finasteride helped the itch. I am curious how many people tried fin and the itch went away completely or if it went away at the hairline, temples or crown. Its odd why it would it worse in some people. The issue is receptors are important yet little is known about them and testosterone could be important too. Who knows though really

Most people will find their itch reduced by using Finasteride. For a small minority of us, it makes the itch worse and exacerbates hairloss. I have no idea why.

Dench57
10-14-2015, 06:20 AM
I've been on fin for 7 months now and it has only made my hair much thinner. The sensations I get feel like ants crawling under my scalp, very slowly and burning. I only get these feelings on ONE side of my head and this is where it has thinned the most. There is definitely a correlation between these sensations and hair loss.

That sounds exactly what happened to me on Fin, and for a long time it was just on one side of my head too. So weird.

jamesst11
10-14-2015, 01:42 PM
That sounds exactly what happened to me on Fin, and for a long time it was just on one side of my head too. So weird.

Dench,
how long were you on it?
Did you notice any regrowth or cessation of hair loss at ANY point
Are you still on it

Dench57
10-15-2015, 07:59 AM
Dench,
how long were you on it?
Did you notice any regrowth or cessation of hair loss at ANY point
Are you still on it

I was on it for 3 months between Nov '14- Feb '15. It just burnt my hair away - and the burning continues to this day.

jamesst11
10-15-2015, 07:09 PM
yeah man, pretty much the same thing here:

Months 1-5: rapid hair loss accompanied by tingling and itching, etc...
Month 6 and 7: My hair loss is drastically reduced and the sensations are going away and almost non existent. I am also noticing a ton of "new" hairs throughout my scalp. I put "new" in parenthesis, because I am just not sure. We will see!

Do you ever wonder if you should have stuck with it? Perhaps the body just needed time to adjust? It is a pretty extreme physiological change...

Dench57
10-16-2015, 03:27 AM
Hey James. Glad to hear it's finally working for you and well done for sticking it out - these drugs can really take you on a wild ride before you come out the other end (if at all). I've spoken to several people recently who had similar experiences with Fin/Dut - i.e. burning/itch/pain for the first few months with accelerated loss and then it levelled out. However I've spoken to one other user who had the same reaction as me, came off Fin after 3 weeks of burning/itching, and he's still dealing with it 2 years later. He says he's retried Fin and it just made it worse again. Its such a messed up drug. Maybe I should've just rode it out - it's impossible to know if it would've stopped but I guess it couldn't have been much worse than what I have now i.e. permanent burning/itching.

I am considering trying Fin or Dut again as an absolute last resort, if Setipiprant and CB-03-01 aren't enough to curb this inflammation. I'm also dealing with mild gyno...which I think I got from anti-inflammatories (ridiculous I know but not sure what else could've caused it). So that would probably be exacerbated if I tried Fin/Dut. It's a truly ****ed up situation.

Virtual
10-22-2015, 03:35 PM
Hi, I've read about this problem for weeks and intensely.

I put a post in another forum i want to paste here:

"Hello

The first, sorry for my English is not very good.


I started propecia a year ago, the first months my libido was so so so high, red skin oily skin and a lot of itching / tingling in the middle and frontal scalp.Now that is down a little only,
buti still have the highest libido before i start and the tingling / swelling continue. So, my front and middle scalp is more thin,it has been miniaturized.

I have hypothyroidism for many years, controlled with levothyroxine 10 years ago, I did not have much alopecia until, The dosctor up a little more the synthroid dose two years ago,and started itching and tingling of the scalp, and i had much thinning ang i started on diffuse alopecia, My testosterone levels on the blodd test was so high and my libido went up much too ..

My baseline analysis before Propecia DHT is very high, above the range and medium / low testosterone.

I'm having Reflex hyperandrogenicity on propecia and when i up the levothyroxine dose, i know is the testosterone.

I'm wondering whether to fight this would not be a good idea take oral spiro to lower testosterone levels without sides and continue protecting some hairs.

There are days that I have lower libido, and no tingling, so that it is testosterone, the same happens when being in propecia low levothyroxine, my testosterone and low inflammation disappears.


I am now on RU, but the inflammation not disspear, my hormonal environment remains bad for my hair.

I have always said that we must live well to the treatments, and this is not going well

What would be the best solution for this?

-propecia + oral spiro
-no propecia and only ru.
-propecia + oral spiro + ru
-topical finasteride of Hasson & Wong + ru + minox

I think is necesary lower 5aR2, but I do not know how.
Thanks"


Boys, Its the testosterone and highly inflammatory immune system, think that we are all here diffuse alopecia.

If we have experienced more libido, more oily skin and inflammation .. why we not normalize those reducing testosterone to normal levels?



What methods are there for that?

Dench57
11-03-2015, 06:42 AM
Has anyone found diet change helps their itch/inflammation? I hear a lot of reports all over "MPB itch" threads of people cutting down on carbs/sugar/dairy and its helped them immensely. I'm gonna give it a try anyway, won't be easy since I basically live on carbs but will try and cut them down drastically for a week or so.

unbalding
11-03-2015, 01:07 PM
I really think it's DHT attacking the follicles because I only get it during/after sex or masturbation.

mic28
11-06-2015, 10:49 PM
Hey Ziggy,

Are you still getting a lot of loss? I quit propecia a couple of months ago. I am also hearing a lot about how diet is affecting hair loss. I tried to cut down beer, carbs, sugar and wheat a few weeks back and felt better. I've got lazy since but might try it again

mic28
11-06-2015, 11:29 PM
My apologies, that was meant for you Dench

jrlish
11-08-2015, 10:02 PM
Hey all,

I'm glad I came across this thread. It's helped me validate I'm not crazy.

Here's my story:

I'm a healthy 37 year old male (limited carbs and sugar) that has had thick hair all my life to the point where my haircutters would want to thin it. I have no history of MPB on either side of the family as well. Around May I noticed a ton of hair in the hotel shower (I travel a lot) and actually thought it was someone else's'. That's when I started to notice hair coming out when I showered from there after. About 3 weeks later it started burning/itching. I went and saw my primary care (in June) and he said my scalp was somewhat inflamed and ordered blood work and prescribed ket shampoo. Blood work came back normal and ket did nothing for me. I then went and saw a dermatologist and she did a quick hair pull test and confirmed my hair was coming out in mass and said I had TE. She said all I could do is wait for my body to heal itself or take minox. I then went to see a Tricologist (evolution hair loss center) where he took images of my scalp and said it wasn't healthy and "looked angry". He then gave me his treatment plan of natural shampoos and minox. I used it regularly but continued to experience the extreme pain and burning. I have been shedding about regularly 30-50 hairs in the shower and constantly throughout the day (falling on my phone and laptop. They have white bulbs on the end obviously and I can see my scalp both wet and dry now. It's diffuse hair loss all over (even on the sides), but more noticeable on the top. I've gone through spouts of depression due to it coming on abruptly and the physical pain it is causing. Along with the burring and itching I have certain spots on my head that feel like they are being stabbed with a knife. When I press on them the scalp hurts along with the hair. It feels like when you sleep on your hair the wrong way. Sometimes I put ice on the spots to try and sooth them. The itching is so bad sometimes it wakes me up in the middle of the night. I have actually gotten up to rinse my hair out to try and stop the burning. The doctor, dermatologist, and the Tricologolist haven't really been helpful. I went back the dermatologist and he basically thought I was crazy, but prescribed me more ket shampoo and some acid for the burning. I'm completely miserable with the sharp pain, burning, and itching throughout the day. It's been 6 months with no sign of relieve. I've collected my shed hair where I could for about 4 months and it's enough to create another full head of hair. At this point I see no end in sight and at a loss of what to do. I've tried minox, nioxin, special shampoos, hair specific vitamins, etc. I'm thinking about laser as a next step, but as I read this forum it seem like perhaps I should give fin a try as well. I'm fine if I go bald, but the scalp pain is what I want to try and get rid of. Thanks for listening to my vent.

jrlish
11-15-2015, 06:41 PM
Just a couple of updates/additions:

Stopped the Minox (pb) and burning/itching has lessoned. Don't wake up in with extreme itch or burn in the middle of the night like I did before. Still have itching but not as bad.
Still shed about 20+ in the shower XX+ throughout the day.
Still have spots on my head that feel like they were hit with a hammer or stabbed with a knife. When I press on them the spots hurt as well as the hair around it. They seem to move around from day-to-day. They are also hot/warm to the touch.
My hair (what's left) usually feels like I sleep on it wrong. Hurts.
I wish I knew if it was autoimmune or some underlying issue.
I've lost about 50% in the last 6 months and it's diffuse where it's thinning all over. Even on the sides.

Anyone read or come across anything similar. I have seen several specialist and there have been no answers.

mic28
11-21-2015, 08:53 PM
Hey Jrlish, have you been taking propecia?

jamesst11
11-21-2015, 09:43 PM
I have had every single symptom (and the accompanying hair loss) that every one here is describing. burning, itching, tingling and the feeling that ants are crawling around under my scalp. THE ONLY single thing that makes it go away is COLD. I live in a wintery climate and working on my rental houses, I have to work inside and out. When I work inside, with the heat on, the feeling is there.... when I go outside, in the cold, after 30 seconds, the feeling IMMEDIATELY dissipates... GONE, until I go into the heat again.... I think this is pretty SOLID proof, however anecdotal it is, that at least MY scalp sensations are due to INFLAMMATION. I am 100% positive.

jamesst11
11-21-2015, 09:45 PM
This has gotten to point where I crank up my heat at night and fall asleep next to my OPEN window, WITH a f*cking WINDOW FAN blowing 25 degree weather on my scalp. It's the only thing that calms it. I am so f*cking FED UP with this shit, I want to cut my scalp off.

Dench57
12-01-2015, 05:27 AM
James, what side effects have you had from Fin apart from the burning scalp? Any sexual sides, brain fog etc?

jamesst11
02-03-2016, 04:17 PM
I am bumping this thread because it is an extremely important, relevant topic. Dench, I don't know if you're still on here, but yeah... same experience as you. Every scalp sensation you can imagine, accompanied by pretty drastic loss. After carefully analyzing before and after pics last night, I would estimate a loss of about 30% all over the scalp, but especially in the crown and mid scalp. I said f*ck it and want to find out if ANYTHING will work. I have the most extreme regiment now, one step under oral spiro -

1) DUT - 1.5mg / day
2) finasteride - 5mg a day (that's right. for some reason, they filled 90 pills at once and I can get it super cheap, so might as well
3) RU - 10% dissolved in 1.5 ml/ day
4) dermarolling 1-2 times a week
5) 15% minoxidil compounded with fin, azeliac
6) nizoral- 2% twice a week
7) supplements - fish oil, castor oil, multivitamin, MSM,

I am obliterating DHT at all levels... if this doesn't work, nothing will. Understand that I have had a transplant, which makes going bald 10x more stressful (for me at least). I am frustrated, exhausted, and anxious as f*cking hell. I have started a thread, where I will be posting pics. Hope you are well.

jamesst11
02-03-2016, 04:25 PM
I am bumping this thread because it is an extremely important, relevant topic. Dench, I don't know if you're still on here, but yeah... same experience as you. Every scalp sensation you can imagine, accompanied by pretty drastic loss. After carefully analyzing before and after pics last night, I would estimate a loss of about 30% all over the scalp, but especially in the crown and mid scalp. I said f*ck it and want to find out if ANYTHING will work. I have the most extreme regiment now, one step under oral spiro -

1) DUT - 1.5mg / day
2) finasteride - 5mg a day (that's right. for some reason, they filled 90 pills at once and I can get it super cheap, so might as well
3) RU - 10% dissolved in 1.5 ml/ day
4) dermarolling 1-2 times a week
5) 15% minoxidil compounded with fin, azeliac
6) nizoral- 2% twice a week
7) supplements - fish oil, castor oil, multivitamin, MSM,

I am obliterating DHT at all levels... if this doesn't work, nothing will. Understand that I have had a transplant, which makes going bald 10x more stressful (for me at least). I am frustrated, exhausted, and anxious as f*cking hell. I have started a thread, where I will be posting pics. Hope you are well.

Dench57
02-04-2016, 04:57 AM
Yo James,

It's been ages so I can't remember - did you get this scalp burning/inflammation crap as a reaction to Fin or did it just start happening naturally?

That is one hell of a regimen. Hope it works out for you. Like you I feel like I'm in last chance saloon in treating this burning scalp, my only real options are Dut and then, god help me, Spiro. I've tried everything, recently tried Prednisone and it barely did anything. I'm currently using Seti/CB/RU and it's barely helping either.

I know that this burning/itching is DHT, though I still have no idea how Fin caused it. It's been nearly 18 months now though, and I'm quite sure it's permanent. I've got a pack of recently ordered Avodart sat on my shelf thats been staring me down for the last few weeks. I'm waiting to get my DHT blood results back before I take the plunge.

jamesst11
02-04-2016, 02:53 PM
I don't know man... first few weeks on DUT and 15% minox and my scalp felt a lot better. Obviously, I became foolishly optimistic. Past few days and my scalp feels worst than ever. It may be because I started RU, and I am allergic to the PG or the alcohol and it's irritating my scalp? Don't know. I doubt that's it because I have used lipogaine and 5% minoxidil for years, both of which I think contain those ingredients and never had this king of irritation. I think I am going to back off a little and reduce everything by a little bit... This is the f*cking worst experience I could ever imagine. I would literally chop both of my hands off right now to have decent density and a healthy scalp.

mic28
02-04-2016, 03:29 PM
James and Dench, do you think we are possibly looking into the MPB side of things too much rather than the possible seborrheic dermatitis that has been caused my finasteride? I'm just wondering as RU hasn't been doing a lot for me and still getting the itchy scalp. Could be something solved with a good seborrheic dermatitis treatment?!

jamesst11
02-04-2016, 05:20 PM
James and Dench, do you think we are possibly looking into the MPB side of things too much rather than the possible seborrheic dermatitis that has been caused my finasteride? I'm just wondering as RU hasn't been doing a lot for me and still getting the itchy scalp. Could be something solved with a good seborrheic dermatitis treatment?!

good point... but doesn't seborrheic dermatitis always result in dandruff and flaky skin? I never ever had this while on finasteride... How long have you been on RU? It hasn't helped at all?? I am starting to think I may slowly taper off finasteride and just go all topical. This is confusing and frustrating as all f*cking hell. My hair is horrible, SO diffused thin, you can see through the entire thing, like whispy f*cking cobwebs.

My venting aside. I think it's TE. I have had this twice in the past and had the EXACT same symptoms - general mild itch in MPB zones. But, more significantly, the EXACT same pinpoint burning in the EXACT same spot. and the feeling of ants under my skin, crawling from the left temple, to the mid-section and too the back. rinse and repeat...

Actually, with 100% certainty I think finasteride can cause TE, and if you don't get off it, it can become chronic. MANY serious medications can do this, why the hell not fin? I also believe that something like RU, especially if it doesn't go too systemic, would be unlikely to cause TE. If is WAS dermatitis, and hair loss resulted from it, I doubt it would get to the point it has now. TE is the only answer, not dermatitis, not up-regulation of receptors, not increase in T. ONLY TE can cause hair to fall out this quick, only TE. I am not sure if that is your case, but it must be mine.

mic28
02-04-2016, 06:06 PM
Yeh James it could also be TE. I still believe I have the same symptoms as yourself.

RU has helped the odd days here and there but then I'm back to square one. I've certainly lost a lot more hair the more i think about hair loss. I remember when it wasn't that bad how I was generally ok. Now that I am so paranoid, I am constantly running my hands through my hair, in turn causing hair fall and making the situation worse. I am going to try not touch my hair throughout the day and try my best to forget about it as I believe this could be part of the possible TE cause. RU could well be working but just being overridden by the TE from stress. Either way and as bad as diffuse that I am getting now, I still believe if we get to the bottom of it, this diffuse loss can be recovered from

jamesst11
02-04-2016, 06:15 PM
Yeh James it could also be TE. I still believe I have the same symptoms as yourself.

RU has helped the odd days here and there but then I'm back to square one. I've certainly lost a lot more hair the more i think about hair loss. I remember when it wasn't that bad how I was generally ok. Now that I am so paranoid, I am constantly running my hands through my hair, in turn causing hair fall and making the situation worse. I am going to try not touch my hair throughout the day and try my best to forget about it as I believe this could be part of the possible TE cause. RU could well be working but just being overridden by the TE from stress. Either way and as bad as diffuse that I am getting now, I still believe if we get to the bottom of it, this diffuse loss can be recovered from

how long have you been on RU? what concentration? (sorry, you've probably already answered this somewhere) do you microneedle your scalp ever? - this is one of the FEW things that seems to give me relief. I dermaroll (not too aggressively) and apply minox and then a little RU. There have been a couple studies that have shown a pretty drastic increase in hair counts in the dermarolling group.

mic28
02-04-2016, 06:26 PM
All good. I've been RU since the start of December although in that time I've played about with vehicles and concentrations so need to stick to something consistent. At the minute I'm using 100mg/2ml. One thing that I am paranoid about is that my RU was batches in March 2015. Wonder if this is too long before I received it and it may be ineffective.
I haven't tried dermarolling but I have been tempted. Does it only provide short term relief? As in 1-2 hours?

Dench57
02-05-2016, 06:58 AM
James, did you get any other signs of hyperandrogenism from Fin, or Dut? Like oilier skin/hair, acne, increased libido? I think people who respond like that are generally ****ed by AAs. Which makes me scared to go on Dut but I have no other choice now but to try and reduce scalp DHT. Please keep us updated with how Dut is going for you.

I don't have SD, my scalp looks completely healthy/normal and been to many derms/trichologists who confirmed its just AGA. Also don't have TE - I've never shed more than 5-10 hairs in the shower.

jamesst11
02-05-2016, 01:52 PM
James, did you get any other signs of hyperandrogenism from Fin, or Dut? Like oilier skin/hair, acne, increased libido? I think people who respond like that are generally ****ed by AAs. Which makes me scared to go on Dut but I have no other choice now but to try and reduce scalp DHT. Please keep us updated with how Dut is going for you.

I don't have SD, my scalp looks completely healthy/normal and been to many derms/trichologists who confirmed its just AGA. Also don't have TE - I've never shed more than 5-10 hairs in the shower.

My forehead was dry as a bone and my scalp didn't seem to oily, the only region was the hairline and an inch below it that was super oily. I would wake up, rub my fingers across it and my hands look like I just ate a pound of fried chicken, lol...It was somethng else man. I take showers and lost probably 50-100 hairs easy. My libido was rapidly fluctuating at first and then it remained pretty high.

I don't know what to do. I think I am actually going to drop DUT and FIN cold turkey for a few weeks and see how my scalp feels. People say this is a mistake, but f*ck it. I hate these drugs. I will continue with RU 10% every night and 15% compounded minox. I want to try and isolate these damn medications to only my scalp and see if it makes a difference. I will continue derma rolling as well. I think this is awesome for overall scalp and follicle health. Dermarolling induces a damage that initiates an explosion of growth factors to the area.

Valy003
03-06-2016, 02:06 AM
good point... but doesn't seborrheic dermatitis always result in dandruff and flaky skin? I never ever had this while on finasteride... How long have you been on RU? It hasn't helped at all?? I am starting to think I may slowly taper off finasteride and just go all topical. This is confusing and frustrating as all f*cking hell. My hair is horrible, SO diffused thin, you can see through the entire thing, like whispy f*cking cobwebs.

My venting aside. I think it's TE. I have had this twice in the past and had the EXACT same symptoms - general mild itch in MPB zones. But, more significantly, the EXACT same pinpoint burning in the EXACT same spot. and the feeling of ants under my skin, crawling from the left temple, to the mid-section and too the back. rinse and repeat...

Actually, with 100% certainty I think finasteride can cause TE, and if you don't get off it, it can become chronic. MANY serious medications can do this, why the hell not fin? I also believe that something like RU, especially if it doesn't go too systemic, would be unlikely to cause TE. If is WAS dermatitis, and hair loss resulted from it, I doubt it would get to the point it has now. TE is the only answer, not dermatitis, not up-regulation of receptors, not increase in T. ONLY TE can cause hair to fall out this quick, only TE. I am not sure if that is your case, but it must be mine.

Ru can cause TE.I use it only on my temples.And then all my hair(back,sides)was thinning and shedding.

Paganis
03-08-2016, 11:00 AM
I would like to share my story and theory to see if you guys recognize anything. It's long but details determine the quality!

My situation:
Losing hair quickly, mainly sides and area around right temple. The hair on the right Side of my hair is thinner. Hairs are long and split. The hair feels strange and falls out in the pattern of op and when you Google image Sides thinning; the first result is exactly the same Pattern. When i first noticed my hair thinning i went crazy but after a while i accepted it. But the strange thing was that i could constantly feel my scalp burning and my hairline itching. This is descriped alot on the internet. The feeling because worse so i decided to take action and search for a potential cause/solution.

Theory;
The site hairloss-reversible provides the basic theory, look it up. The scalp is basicly a very thin muscle with very thin blood Vessels. Testosterone and aging causes the muscle to thickin restricting blood/Lymph flow causing the hairs to suffocate. The link with dht is unclear, it could be that the slow flow causes the dht to act destructing. Dht also causes facial and body hairgrowth and the subtance isn't bad per se, it could be that the disbalance caused by the enviroment makes the dht crazy. remember that rogaine/minoxidil only improve blood flow to areas. I saw some amazing results on sides and temples with rogaine.

Checking the theory:
So i reflected on how i feel. I 've had stress for a long time, i smoke and my 4 wisdom tooths are growing causing infections. I also noticed that when i smoked weed i would transpire around my hairline making it oily. This is a sign of tired glands. The scalp inflammation was a feeling from my jaw trough the nose/eyes than temple to the Side of the crown. Exactly where the Side thinning pattern occurs. My muscles in this Area where tense and when i close my eyes i can feel a slight twitch and Heaviness. I also have alot of phleghm. In aryuveda all the signs would be linked to to much 'heat' in the head. Particles can't make there way out. There is a disbalance.

Then i googled tooth infection hair loss. There is a relation with tooth infection and this pattern! To those who have no teeth problem this is still relevant beacause it shows a underlying principle. I then google searched face veins and you can clearly see the veins going along the path i described feeding the scalp. My infections are probably cloging these veins/Lymps. I constantly say lymphs for a reason because when you Search for the lymphs around the head you can again clearly see the relation between the veins, the scalp flow and the lymphs.

To Sum up my theory;
I think that with this kind of hairloss and maby also partially in mpb there is a disbalance in the scalp causing hairs to fall out or terminate. This disbalance shows itself as bad blood lymph flow around the head and mainly the skull (most sensitive skinn/muscle/veins/lymphs because it's most far from the heart). All kinds of things could be the Cause of this disbalance, in my case it's tooth infection, stress, bad posture (forward neck) causing restrictid flow and Tense muscles around the neck (shoulders, neck, back, face and skull. And let's not forget about smoking...

things that might help;
Look for the cause of your bad flow. This might be stress, smoking, hormone dysfunction, surgery, tooth/ear infection.

To improve flow:
-scalp massage/exercise
-exercices to improve blood flow to head
- this one i really like: search lymphic massage head, there is a great YouTube video that explains. This helped me very much, i was spitting thick saliva for hours and Every time i do this the pressure/inflammation/burning lessens. You're just pressing on your lymphs making them remove toxins and all the bad stuff that's clogging Everything. You're restoring the balance with this!
- breathing exercises to relax muscles
- according to some pressing hard on you nails improves blood flow to the scalp. Your nails are also (like the scalp) far away from the heart demaning alot of power. By pressing you're nails you're pushing the blood to other places (like standing on a water bed). Also check out how the lymps system is unevenly distributed at the left and right body half.

My direct answer;
I'm going to the dentist asap. I'm going to quit smoking. I'm going to do some yoga exercises to improve head blood flow and scalp exercise. I also bought rogaine to improve blood flow.

Excuse me for the rought text, english is not my native language. I included alot of symptoms for others to find this info.

Please share your thoughts!

Paganis
03-08-2016, 11:00 AM
Double post, excuse me!

But i would like to add that the itchy spots are exactly where hair loss occurs. On these spots i sometimes feel a little 'cut' or pimple. Not a white head pimple but a minature bump that i can scratch off. Around this bump the skin feels 'hot','burning','red' and irritated.

Valy003
03-11-2016, 06:31 AM
Hi! Could someone help me? I am in a 6 months use of Ru,topical spiro,miconazole,hydrocortisone(2 times/week),sulfasalazine,oral and topical castor oil,a topical(lavender oil,rosemary,caffeine,zinc,b6),antihistamine cream- all of that only on my temples...and dermarolling once every 10 days.My hairline receded a lot in this 6 months and my hair is diffuse all over my head.After this shedding of my entire hairline,the hairs grown back for about 1/2 inch and it wouldnt grow longer.They stay that way and my hairline is destroyed.I tried propecia but it accelerated my frontal loss the same.Now,i have a question.When i pull my hair,it has a white bulb at the end.But in front in my hairline,when i pull a vellus hair that it has grown,it has a black bulb What it means?From what i read,black bulb is a good sign but i dont know for sure.Can someone help me here?Sry for my bad english

Valy003
03-16-2016, 02:50 AM
Anyone?

jrlish
09-26-2016, 01:19 PM
Hey Jrlish, have you been taking propecia?

I started fin back in Jan and was on it for about 3 months and has such heavy shed a some sides that I weaned off. I just recently started it again (.5 mg) as there have been no other options and the itching and burning is unbearable where I'm willing to accept some of the sides if they come back. It seems to be helping a bit, but still heavy shed (diffuse and about 40-60 in the shower and xx out). I'm close to shaving it as I can see my scalp wet or dry now and it's becoming difficult to style. Crazy to have the barber's always wanting to thin my hair to being almost bald in 2 years.

jrlish
09-26-2016, 01:58 PM
Double post, excuse me!

But i would like to add that the itchy spots are exactly where hair loss occurs. On these spots i sometimes feel a little 'cut' or pimple. Not a white head pimple but a minature bump that i can scratch off. Around this bump the skin feels 'hot','burning','red' and irritated.

I get those as well... Also the feeling of an infect follicle. Haven't found anything to help that. The derm even had me try some antibiotics.

Dfaru94
09-26-2016, 07:07 PM
I get this sensation as well. For me it is not severe, it's more of a mild on-and-off tingling at my crown area, and it also appears in short bursts at my hairline and temples.

It's on and off, and for that reason I actually thought Finasteride had done the job for a while shortly after I first started taking it (back in February). Nope, the itching continued, although it is still not as bad as it was before I started taking Fin.

I've only ever experienced what I'd call "burning" no more than a few times. The few times I felt it, it was very sharp and fast, lasting no more than 2 seconds, and every time it was exactly on the spot where my crown parting is.

I'm also a diffuse thinner but I still have a fairly decent amount of hair everywhere, I don't really show unless there's strong light shining on my head.

I find my hair being clean or dirty makes no difference.

My hair shedding is somewhat more uniform, and I don't necessarily see more shedding whilst or after the itching. There are times where I go a few days seeing almost no hair falling out, but most of the time I'd say my shedding is mild-to-moderate. I've never experienced my hair falling out in dramatic amounts or clumps.

However, and this is weirdest, I can pinpoint when the itching first started almost down to the exact minute. For me, the realisation that I was balding was very sudden and on-the-spot, I panicked and in quite comical desperation I bought some spray that apparently makes your hair look thicker (it did nothing). As soon as I sprayed that on my hair, boom itch. Never stopped for longer than a couple weeks since, although I don't know if I blame the product since I've never used it again.

It almost makes me think this itching is a psychological thing, that worrying about it makes it come on more. My itching started almost as soon as I knew I was balding, and it slowed again when I started Finasteride (perhaps because I felt security on it and put it to the back of my mind). I have to say I also don't notice it itching so much if I'm out or have my mind set on other things.

Soonbald
09-26-2016, 07:23 PM
have to agree to some degree about the itching being a psychologicall thing. I do feel an itch exactly at the corners of my hairline where im receeding..its on and off but it actually rarely itch. but I have a pretty thin Crown im thinning there the fastest and I got NO itching there whatsoever never feel an itch there. yet im thining there pretty fast. I have no burning feeling either and no dandruff, scalp is in perfect condition. and its also loose not tight yet balding fast at the back. its all just so weird man...why itch only on the hairline sometimes? but never the Crown or mid scalp?? im diffuse thinner...what helps an itchy scalp would be ice Cold shower. some head massages always kills it for a long time. or combing the scalp to try to move the blood around and possibly boost bloodflow. also topicall garlic juice really helps to reduce or remove the itching. some oils can do it too..like emu oil or any kind of oil infact.

danni
11-13-2016, 09:18 AM
Hi...I'm also the one who has itchy, inflamed scalp, every few days. I didn't visit the doctor because they gonna give me chemical shit and that is it. I believe the problem is inside, not outside.
So this is how it happened...year or two ago in winter time(I live in Canada), I was running with my hat in really cold weather. It started with wearing the hat. I thought problem is extreme sweat or extreme dryness or the hat. I washed it many many time, and changed the hat but it didn't help. I started using Tea tree conditioner and that was helping me. It didn't cure but it helped. I hated that I had to leave it sit for several minutes. Never ever I had wash my hair like that. I usually just rub shampoo, wash it right away and no problems.
Then after I while I kind of got capsulitis on my feet. I also had horrible dandruff issue. I tried everything, all the shampoos, conditioners, applce cider vinegar, baking soda, salt water and none of that helped. Then eventually I came across Selsun blue and so far that one relieves itch and inflammation for few days, but I have to wash my hair every second day. Lucky if I make it in third day. Also that shampoo helped with dandruff.

But, I mention capsulitis on my feet. That is also some sort of inflammation that cannot be explained(I even stopped running for a month or two but nothing changed). Then I started reading and reading I somehow I came across with COD liver oil vitamin pills. Once I had one that inflammation was gone in seconds(on feet)! Same thing happened with scalp itch. I was shocked. Since then, probably for year and half I'm having those COD liver oil pills and that helps me. When I have an itch it stops right away. Dandruff is completely gone, if I stop taking those pills. Inflammation and dandruff come back in matter of days(doesn't matter what shampoo I use).

I remember how I discovered it, I was working and I had that extreme crazy itch that I want to cut my head off. So annoying, the accidentally I bought some banana milk shake on the gas station and it stopped itch right away. Then I thought for a second and came to conclusion that there is some ingredient that my body needs or it is not making it. That milkshake has lot of shit in it, but there are also some vitamins like A or D or smthg similar.

That is when I started reading and trying things. I think first I got that COD liver oil and that help me unbelievably, I thought it was vitamin A or D deficiency then I was excited to try those vitamins by itself, but it didn't help. So I came back to those one. I tried many others but they don't do anything, what I read was that ratio has to be specific otherwise it doesn't work. I'm taking Webber COD Liver oil, with 1250 IU Vitamin A and 100 IU Vitamin D. I don't know exactly how that helps but I tried many other oils from the same brand and from other one but nothing helps me as this one.
Also, everything that has something like that in it helps me right away. Walnuts, salmon, some certain cereals that I eat in the morning(I mix chia, quinoa, flax seed and others) that also stopped itch after I eat. I think also eggs, but I'm frying them with oils so maybe it is oil ,maybe it is eggs. For feet inflammation also turmeric helped(as best natural anti inflammatory product, I don't remember if it helped me with scalp though)
I thought maybe that I'm missing Omega's, I tried those pills as well but it doesn't help. I thought maybe it is the sun deficiency(Vitamin D) but not that either.
I didn't cure my itch and inflammation but those COD Liver oil pills help me a lot, together with that Selsun blue. I bought yesterday Flaxseed oil so we'll se if that helps, if not I will try walnut oil because they are different "family" of Omega 3.

I started reading also about that and then I came across fatty acids imbalance. Because all those things that help me are rich in fatty acids, so I thinK that my body stop producing them or they are barely producing anything. And then when I get the "shot" of it helps me right away.

Whoever has scalp inflammation please try COD liver oil vitamin pills(or food with fatty acids, walnuts, COD, salmon etc). Shampoo's and conditioners won't help because out issue is internal, not external that is why I never visited doctor. Beside that, finding here a good doctor who cares it's mission impossible.
If it's fatty acids imbalance then now I/we have to start figuring out the cure to get it back to how was it before(with no itch or inflammation).
I come from Europe where is also very humid air, so I thought dry canadian air cause it, but I'm using humidifier and it doesn't make any difference.

Please who ever has the same issue, just try it and let me know if it helps you, then we can start looking and share the possible cures. Medicine hasn't got there yet...so I guess it is up to us...