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yeahyeahyeah
05-26-2012, 03:53 AM
http://www.aderansresearch.com/presentation/

They are looking to launch their product in 2014 and are nearing the completion of their phase 2 trials, which will be completed by next year. And to top it off, have huge investment behind them.

They have regrown terminal hair, why is nobody talking about them?

iHope
05-26-2012, 05:08 AM
My english isn't good enough, so I didn't understand everything....so...this is about hair transplatation of newly created hairs? Like, hair has to grow somewhere in labaratory and then they'll transplate it into client's scalp, right?

I'm scared how much expencive this procedure might be :D

yeahyeahyeah
05-26-2012, 06:02 AM
My english isn't good enough, so I didn't understand everything....so...this is about hair transplatation of newly created hairs? Like, hair has to grow somewhere in labaratory and then they'll transplate it into client's scalp, right?

I'm scared how much expencive this procedure might be :D

They take your hair from the donor area, multiply it in a lab, then put it back in your scalp.

Price should go down as more and more adopt this technology.

kaandereli
05-26-2012, 06:26 AM
aderans isn't presenting themselves in media and forums frequently like replicel and histogen.for example , dr.ziering had been to this forum and had answered to the questions from everyone.and replicel has been very informative in their progress.
even though they might appear in the market first , it shouldnt be suprising that anyone heard of them

yeahyeahyeah
05-26-2012, 06:35 AM
aderans isn't presenting themselves in media and forums frequently like replicel and histogen.for example , dr.ziering had been to this forum and had answered to the questions from everyone.and replicel has been very informative in their progress.
even though they might appear in the market first , it shouldnt be suprising that anyone heard of them

They will be out first IMO.

They have had more then enough time, and as I wrote previously have the financial muscle power to make it happen. They recently for example got a 100m investment.

I am also sure they would want to beat histogen to being the first product in the market.

The future looks bright for hairloss sufferers.

I think their technology works on NW6s too.

BoSox
05-26-2012, 07:07 AM
How can they release so soon? I thought they had problems with hair angles and stuff?

Hopefully they worked out all the kinks, this is amazing. I feel more optomistic about the near future.

yeahyeahyeah
05-26-2012, 07:11 AM
How can they release so soon? I thought they had problems with hair angles and stuff?

Hopefully they worked out all the kinks, this is amazing. I feel more optomistic about the near future.

Soon?

LOL.

You do know that Aderans have been working on their technology for like 10 years?

BoSox
05-26-2012, 07:15 AM
Where does it say that they are releasing in 2014? From what I've heard, Aderans hasn't been able to achieve cosmetically appeasable results?

yeahyeahyeah
05-26-2012, 07:16 AM
Where does it say that they are releasing in 2014? From what I've heard, Aderans hasn't been able to achieve cosmetically appeasable results?

Timeline is in the video, where did you read that?

yeahyeahyeah
05-26-2012, 07:21 AM
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/3/prweb9338650.htm


Clinical Study Enrollment

Aderans Research reached a major milestone this month with the completion of enrollment in one of its key Phase 2 clinical protocols.

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“We’re thrilled to reach this landmark in our research,” said Vern Liebmann, Aderans Research Chief Operating Officer. “We are looking forward to sharing the advances we’ve made in the field of hair regeneration.”
Atlanta, GA (PRWEB) March 28, 2012

Aderans Research reached a major milestone this month with the completion of enrollment in one of its key Phase 2 clinical protocols. A total of more than 350 subjects across the country are enrolled in the trial, which evaluates the effect of Aderans’ unique Ji Gami™ family of cell products on pattern hair loss.
“We’re thrilled to reach this landmark in our research,” said Vern Liebmann, Aderans Research Chief Operating Officer. “We are looking forward to sharing the advances we’ve made in the field of hair regeneration.”
Aderans expects to tabulate, analyze and present their findings at the conclusion of the trial. In the meantime, more clinical protocols are in the works to test additional products coming down the pipeline and see how they might benefit patients with male and female pattern hair loss.
“Our cell engineering solutions offer a completely new approach to treatment for the millions of people who suffer from hair loss,” said Aderans Research Chief Executive Officer Ken Washenik, M.D., Ph.D. “The results to date are promising, and with the enrollment complete in this Phase 2 protocol, we’re getting even closer to a solution.”

A pioneer in its field, Aderans Research is committed to developing innovative solutions for those who struggle with hair loss. For more information about Aderans Research, visit http://www.aderansresearch.com.

About Aderans Research

Aderans Research is a pioneer in the research and development of safe, effective cell engineered products for hair regeneration. Located in Atlanta, Aderans Research is a subsidiary of Aderans Co., Ltd, the world’s largest wig manufacturer, and affiliate of Bosley, a global leader in surgical hair restoration.

Ongoing information on ARI’s clinical study can be seen at

http://aderansresearch.com/ari_clinicalupdates.html.
Additional information on ARI can be found at http://www.aderansresearch.com.
Learn more about ARI’s parent company Aderans Co., Ltd. at
http://www.aderans.com/english/index.html, and its sister company Bosley at
http://www.bosley.com.

Contact:
Vern Liebmann
Tel: +1.678.213.1913
vliebmann(at)h-ari(dot)com

BoSox
05-26-2012, 07:22 AM
That was way back when they started I guess, about the hair angle growth. Do you really think they will have it ready by 2014ish?

yeahyeahyeah
05-26-2012, 07:24 AM
That was way back when they started I guess, about the hair angle growth. Do you really think they will have it ready by 2014ish?

Anyones guess, they have spent a lot of money developing it and they have grown hair on human skin, so yes. My money is on aderans hitting hte market first.

yeahyeahyeah
05-26-2012, 07:27 AM
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/4181/aderanstimeline.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/545/aderanstimeline.jpg/)




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BoSox
05-26-2012, 07:32 AM
Will they be able to restore a NW7 to NW2?

I'm glad to see they got the funding, I don't see why they can't have it out by 2014.. gooooooo aderannnssss

yeahyeahyeah
05-26-2012, 07:34 AM
Will they be able to restore a NW7 to NW2?

I'm glad to see they got the funding, I don't see why they can't have it out by 2014.. gooooooo aderannnssss

Yeah think so, as they are cloning your donor hair.

iHope
05-26-2012, 08:04 AM
This sounds very promissing. But weather or not they release it by 2014, I'm so happy and greatful that they are working on it :)

WashedOut
05-26-2012, 09:03 AM
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/4181/aderanstimeline.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/545/aderanstimeline.jpg/)




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That timeline has already been pushed back because phase 2 will not be finishing in the beginning of 2012. Probably on pace for 2015 at this point without more setbacks.

yeahyeahyeah
05-26-2012, 09:08 AM
That timeline has already been pushed back because phase 2 will not be finishing in the beginning of 2012. Probably on pace for 2015 at this point without more setbacks.

If you look at the timeline phase 3 starts in the autumn or slightly later.

We are not ever in mid 2012 yet.

Conpecia
05-26-2012, 09:11 AM
Excellent news. I'm getting more and more confident that a superior treatment will be available for us by no later than 2015. I was really deflated by the Replicel results, so it's good to see this from Aderans. Their method is also more convincing to me than Replicel's, and they're further along. Just doubling the amount of donor hair available will be a huge step forward, and if they somehow create a limitless supply then it's bye bye baldness.

hairysituation
05-26-2012, 09:45 AM
Why is everyone getting so excited? Is it the desperate hope, huh? We all know that their clinical trials aren't very promising. Look at the visual result in this photo, http://************/ct97mcr, and tell me that this is bright and exciting news.

If you are so happy with some little tiny non-cosmetical desirable hairs, then I guess that makes you more desperate than a starvin baby in a third world country.

I find people's expectations, about Aderans, to be "Goodbye to baldness", but I guess you should say hallo, take it inside you're home, and find out how your should live with it for the rest of you miserable lifes.

iHope
05-26-2012, 09:59 AM
http://************/ct97mcr

WEEK 12? Is it so wrong to think it's actually really good :/ ?

yeahyeahyeah
05-26-2012, 10:08 AM
Why is everyone getting so excited? Is it the desperate hope, huh? We all know that their clinical trials aren't very promising. Look at the visual result in this photo, http://************/ct97mcr, and tell me that this is bright and exciting news.

If you are so happy with some little tiny non-cosmetical desirable hairs, then I guess that makes you more desperate than a starvin baby in a third world country.

I find people's expectations, about Aderans, to be "Goodbye to baldness", but I guess you should say hallo, take it inside you're home, and find out how your should live with it for the rest of you miserable lifes.

The terminal hairs in that photo haven't even matured yet. What's your point?

hairysituation
05-26-2012, 10:10 AM
The terminal hairs in that photo haven't even matured yet. What's your point?

Look at the direction of the new hairs, and judge for yourself. You know that this isn't going to help you/us in any way. You're just to damn desperate to acknowlegde the facts.


WEEK 12? Is it so wrong to think it's actually really good :/ ?

Yes, it's desperate. Look at the hairs. You can see that hairs aren't cosmetical desirable. Just shave your head or buy a wig.

534623
05-26-2012, 10:14 AM
Look at the visual result in this photo, http://************/ct97mcr, and tell me that this is bright and exciting news.

i'm thrilled! :D

hairysituation
05-26-2012, 10:21 AM
i'm thrilled! :D

Good for you! I guess you're very easy to please then. I guess you are even more desperate than starvin children in third world countries, not just equally. Congratualtions!

You will probably be satisfied when if you can archieve this:
1. http://************/d3vorjy

Call me when the technology can archieve this:
2. http://************/dyuwt58

iHope
05-26-2012, 10:27 AM
Hairysituation, leave us your email or other preferable way you would like us to contact you. :D

Btw, should I remind you again that picture is only WEEK 12?

I guess you're expecting this:

Day 1: http://0.tqn.com/d/menshair/1/0/3/1/-/-/bald6.jpg

Day 20: http://www.ronalfy.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/man_long_hair.jpg

john2399
05-26-2012, 10:34 AM
Anyone know how this treatment works ?

hairysituation
05-26-2012, 10:36 AM
Hairysituation, leave us your email or other preferable way you would like us to contact you. :D

Btw, should I remind you again that picture is only WEEK 12?

I guess you're expecting this:

Day 1: http://0.tqn.com/d/menshair/1/0/3/1/-/-/bald6.jpg

Day 20: http://www.ronalfy.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/man_long_hair.jpg

No, but I expected the new hairs to grow in a cosmetically desired way, and that there would be many more terminal hairs. I'm willing to bet a great amount of money that this particalur treatment would be nothing but a failure. Anyone that have the balls/are ****ing delusional enough to make this bet agianst/with me.

Bet amount: $1000.

I guess the next natural upcoming question will be: What do you see as a failure, and what do you see as a success?

1) Failure: If the requirement below isn't forfilled.

2) Success: A viable commercialized treatment will would at least restore 20-50% of your original hair density, and will only require one single tratment. It's also given that new hairs is cosmetically diserable.

iHope
05-26-2012, 11:59 AM
Well, my opinion is that we should be very happy that they possibly found a trace for a solution... Sure, it might not look best that some hairs are in different direction, but there is always possibility for improvement and search for other ways that it could look better. Practice makes it perfect.

hairysituation
05-26-2012, 12:13 PM
Well, my opinion is that we should be very happy that they possibly found a trace for a solution... Sure, it might not look best that some hairs are in different direction, but there is always possibility for improvement and search for other ways that it could look better. Practice makes it perfect.

"Practice makes it perfect" Your IQ must be at the same level as an extremely retarded monkey, at best. I agree that science/research will provide some useful information that possibly can benefit hair loss sufferers in the future. However, it's not like Aderans' research is like a game where they just can perfect their method until it's ideal, it simply dosen't work that way.

It would take decades to transfer the errors connected to Aderans' research and to actually be able to get a viable treatment to the mainstream, decades. It's also given that Aderans provide any useful research/information at all.

iHope
05-26-2012, 12:18 PM
Your IQ must be at the same level as an extremely retarded monkey, at best.

Thanks... ;)

iHope
05-26-2012, 12:38 PM
Anyway, what I really wanted to say is that they are probably already aware of the problem and that they are searching for solution to make it look better.

As for idea that my IQ is in same level as mentally challenged monkey, I should let you know that english isn't my native language and that it's not easy for me to explain myself better, so I choose some easier ways to say what I wanted. Truth is I had NEVER EVER had any english lession in my entire life, as my school system provided me only german and italian lessions. All I know about enlish is what I've learned from movies, music and video games so that's why it might sound like mentally challenged monkey. I'm sorry for off topic.

hairysituation
05-26-2012, 01:13 PM
Anyway, what I really wanted to say is that they are probably already aware of the problem and that they are searching for solution to make it look better.

As for idea that my IQ is in same level as mentally challenged monkey, I should let you know that english isn't my native language and that it's not easy for me to explain myself better, so I choose some easier ways to say what I wanted. Truth is I had NEVER EVER had any english lession in my entire life, as my school system provided me only german and italian lessions. All I know about enlish is what I've learned from movies, music and video games so that's why it might sound like mentally challenged monkey. I'm sorry for off topic.

The only problem Aderans is aware of is that they have a product that don't work. It's very likely that they don't know why it's not working, or how they possibly can improve it.

Well, I'm not native English myself, but I have had the luxury of some English lessons, but without much help (wasn't really paying attention). I also learned the majority of my English-language by watching movies. However, I think I picked it up faster than you. And why did I have the ability to pick it up faster/simpler than you? Simply because my IQ is much higher than yours. The latter statement dosen't necessarily implies that I have a high IQ, just that .......... (maybe you could finish this sentence for for me).

yeahyeahyeah
05-26-2012, 01:21 PM
The only problem Aderans is aware of is that they have a product that don't work. It's very likely that they don't know why it's not working, or how they possibly can improve it.

Well, I'm not native English myself, but I have had the luxury of some English lessons, but without much help (wasn't really paying attention). I also learned the majority of my English-language by watching movies. However, I think I picked it up faster than you. And why did I have the ability to pick it up faster/simpler than you? Simply because my IQ is much higher than yours. The latter statement dosen't necessarily implies that I have a high IQ, just that .......... (maybe you could finish this sentence for for me).

If it didnt work, then how on earth did it get 100 m funding?

Dont you think they would have had to report their results to their investors?

hairysituation
05-26-2012, 02:17 PM
If it didnt work, then how on earth did it get 100 m funding?

Dont you think they would have had to report their results to their investors?

If you look at their presentation, it does sound promising for sure, but you have to see behind it, and what really goes on behind the scenes. They are trying, but they just don't get there. You will see!

25 going on 65
05-26-2012, 02:23 PM
This isn't worth anybody getting upset about.

Every step forward in hair restoration R&D is a good thing. Doesn't matter if Aderans comes out tomorrow or never.

neversaynever
05-26-2012, 02:27 PM
If it didnt work, then how on earth did it get 100 m funding?

Dont you think they would have had to report their results to their investors?

Investment does not prove anything. Many many companies have had big financial backing and failed.

Also, the timeline posted is out of date. They are way behind that schedule. The last word from them is that they will conclude phase 2 next year.

I imagine, assuming phase 2 went well, they will take quite a while to arrange phase 3. Probably early 2014.

That will take more than a year (why would it not?)

After that, assuming they have a successful product, they will need time to discuss and plan what to do with it.

Sorry, no chance before 2016.

neversaynever
05-26-2012, 03:30 PM
This isn't worth anybody getting upset about.

Every step forward in hair restoration R&D is a good thing. Doesn't matter if Aderans comes out tomorrow or never.

I agree. Might be baby steps, but at least theyre steps.

Imagine if Histogen, replicell, ARI and others banded together to form a super team! Also, there's some hope from japan and maybe europe too...

ccmethinning
05-26-2012, 05:25 PM
Too many people on this board have the attitude "unless it turns a NW7 into NW0 it is worthless, snakeoil, failure." How often are problems solved that drastically? The truth is if there are to be any improvements, they will likely be incremental. Histogen appears to be that, and Aderans may be that as well.

greatjob!
05-26-2012, 06:40 PM
I seriously don't understand people like hairysituation, what is the point of coming on this board just to trash people and shit on their hopes? I can understand bashing on a moron like the guy beatingbaldness in the other thread who claims scalp tightness is the cause of hair loss, or when some idiot comes on here saying that if you don't jack off your hair will grow back, but what is the point of telling someone that they have the IQ of a retarded monkey because they have an optimistic view on future treatments?

For all the people on this board who know there aren't any viable treatments coming out anytime soon, what is the purpose of you being here? Since you know that all these treatments are bullshit then leave, go shave your head and get on with your life. Leave these boards for people who have something meaningful to contribute. This board is just turning into a place for miserable people whose only goal is to make everyone as miserable as they are.

hairysituation
05-26-2012, 06:45 PM
I seriously don't understand people like hairysituation, what is the point of coming on this board just to trash people and shit on their hopes? I can understand bashing on a moron like the guy beatingbaldness in the other thread who claims scalp tightness is the cause of hair loss, or when some idiot comes on here saying that if you don't jack off your hair will grow back, but what is the point of telling someone that they have the IQ of a retarded monkey because they have an optimistic view on future treatments?

For all the people on this board who know there aren't any viable treatments coming out anytime soon, what is the purpose of you being here? Since you know that all these treatments are bullshit then leave, go shave your head and get on with your life. Leave these boards for people who have something meaningful to contribute. This board is just turning into a place for miserable people whose only goal is to make everyone as miserable as they are.

Because it's pathetic how someone get's false hopes, and thereafter get emotionally crushed. Look at Maradona for example. He has turned out all dark now.

cleverusername
05-26-2012, 06:47 PM
I'd rather be optimistic than be negative.

iHope
05-26-2012, 08:12 PM
Because it's pathetic how someone get's false hopes, and thereafter get emotionally crushed. Look at Maradona for example. He has turned out all dark now.

Thank you for being our guardian angel.


Simply because my IQ is much higher than yours.

Amazing and trully inspiring statement.

greatjob!
05-26-2012, 08:33 PM
Simply because my IQ is much higher than yours.

Over the course of my life I have learned a few things, one of those things is that generally people who have a high IQ don't feel the need to tell people they have a high IQ, instead they choose to let their words and actions convey their high level of intelligence.

Your words say all I need to know about your level of intelligence:


but I guess you should say hallo, take it inside you're home, and find out how your should live with it for the rest of you miserable lifes.


I'm willing to bet a great amount of money that this particalur treatment would be nothing but a failure. Anyone that have the balls/are ****ing delusional enough to make this bet agianst/with me.



Your IQ must be at the same level as an extremely retarded monkey, at best.

This site has so much helpful information; unfortunately it has been over run with pseudo-intellectuals and internet tough guys and bullies.

amadeus
05-26-2012, 11:11 PM
I don’t think it’s being overrun my these thugs but they are certainly trying to throw a wrench into the best hair loss site on the internet. It’s funny, I read all of the sites, but this is the only one I have ever taken seriously. It’s seems like the same armchair scientist trolls go from site to site trying to poison them with negativity, and hatred. These are very unhappy people. I think it is our responsibility to just shut these people down. We can all be positive and continue to carry on constructive discussions while ignoring these trolls.



Over the course of my life I have learned a few things, one of those things is that generally people who have a high IQ don't feel the need to tell people they have a high IQ, instead they choose to let their words and actions convey their high level of intelligence.

Your words say all I need to know about your level of intelligence:







This site has so much helpful information; unfortunately it has been over run with pseudo-intellectuals and internet tough guys and bullies.

yeahyeahyeah
05-27-2012, 03:27 AM
Investment does not prove anything. Many many companies have had big financial backing and failed.

Also, the timeline posted is out of date. They are way behind that schedule. The last word from them is that they will conclude phase 2 next year.

I imagine, assuming phase 2 went well, they will take quite a while to arrange phase 3. Probably early 2014.

That will take more than a year (why would it not?)

After that, assuming they have a successful product, they will need time to discuss and plan what to do with it.

Sorry, no chance before 2016.

No the last word from them was that they would conclude their phase 2 'BY' next year.

Can you see the difference?

neversaynever
05-27-2012, 03:51 AM
No the last word from them was that they would conclude their phase 2 'BY' next year.

Can you see the difference?

Ahhh yes. Jsut checked again, youre right. Im wrong, and im glad im wrong :P

yeahyeahyeah
05-27-2012, 03:53 AM
Ahhh yes. Jsut checked again, youre right. Im wrong, and im glad im wrong :P

Either way when phase 2 has ended everyone will find out the deal with aderans.

Phase 2 where was where intercytex failed.

Maradona
05-27-2012, 04:57 AM
"Practice makes it perfect" Your IQ must be at the same level as an extremely retarded monkey, at best. I agree that science/research will provide some useful information that possibly can benefit hair loss sufferers in the future. However, it's not like Aderans' research is like a game where they just can perfect their method until it's ideal, it simply dosen't work that way.

It would take decades to transfer the errors connected to Aderans' research and to actually be able to get a viable treatment to the mainstream, decades. It's also given that Aderans provide any useful research/information at all.

Wow you make me look like a good guy.

But the guy is right that's what aderans is doing in essence: practicing.

Aderans goal right now and expectations are not to give you a brad pitt hairline.

It is impossible at this point because they are only using DHT resistant derma papilla and derma sheath cells. These cells only produce hair fiber when they are stimulated by other cells or "follicular stem cells" "progenitor cells" whatever you wanna call it. Also the hair thickness is proportional to the number of these cells.

So their ji-gami combinations are most likely made of different cultured cells from different parts of the follicles with different concentrations + DP cells to see which of these ji-gami series gives you a more consistent and better results on all stages of MPB.

They simply are picking up on the mistakes of intercytex and trying to improve their product. So it is expected that they will be better than them or at least more consistent.

Obviously (at least to me), they will not be able and they are aware they will not restore nw7s to nw1s with nice and fully functioning Brad pitt follicles especially with the discovery that those guys at Tokyo did. You need many things into play to achieve such result.

Their main goal is to make money and how? Well they already have Bosley or are Bosley.

So they will be satisfied to increase overall density along with transplants to give you a realistic non-balding look. For example transplanted hair can be put all over the scalp with really low density and these new follicles from aderans will fill in the gaps, assuming they are successful in increasing the shaft diameter of new and existing miniaturized follicles.

It can also increase shaft diameter of existing follicles. The main problem is consistency. Even if you have the miniaturized follicles it might not be possible to do this in practice and this is what they have been working on.

And yes these guys are testing on advanced stage pattern baldness, they are the only ones.

I am not sure which part of the scalp though.

I think aderans will be the first to come to market but it's not the cure we are all expecting, some will find this useful.

That's my opinion.

yeahyeahyeah
05-27-2012, 05:03 AM
Wow you make me look like a good guy.

Aderans goal right now and expectations are not to give you a brad pitt hairline.

It is impossible at this point because they are only using DHT resistant derma papilla and derma sheath cells. These cells only produce hair fiber when they are stimulated by other cells or "follicular stem cells" "progenitor cells" whatever you wanna call it. Also the hair thickness is proportional to the number of these cells.

So their ji-gami combinations are most likely made of different cultured cells from different parts of the follicles with different concentrations + DP cells to see which of these ji-gami series gives you a more consistent and better results on all stages of MPB.

They simply are picking up on the mistakes of intercytex and trying to improve their product. So it is expected that they will be better than them or at least more consistent.

Obviously (at least to me), they will not be able and they are aware they will not restore nw7s to nw1s with nice and fully functioning Brad pitt follicles especially with the discovery that those guys at Tokyo did. You need many things into play to achieve such result.

Their main goal is to make money and how? Well they already have Bosley or are Bosley.

So they will be satisfied to increase overall density along with transplants to give you a realistic non-balding look. For example transplanted hair can be put all over the scalp with really low density and these new follicles from aderans will fill in the gaps, assuming they are successful in increasing the shaft diameter of new and existing miniaturized follicles.

It can also increase shaft diameter of existing follicles. The main problem is consistency. Even if you have the miniaturized follicles it might not be possible to do this in practice and this is what they have been working on.

And yes these guys are testing on advanced stage pattern baldness, they are the only ones.

I am not sure which part of the scalp though.

I think aderans will be the first to come to market but it's not the cure we are all expecting, some will find this useful.

That's my opinion.

So its like getting a scalp tattoo to fill in the gaps?

Maradona
05-27-2012, 05:12 AM
So its like getting a scalp tattoo to fill in the gaps?

No that's just a guess what they can do. It will be better than a scalp tattoo. They can also increase your current hair diameter assuming you're still have good follicles.

I wouldn't worry so much if I were you yeahyeahyeah you have a mature hairline you won't be balding for a long time, you will find these treatments useful if they make it to market.

I'm talking about the ones that are screwed, soon to be nw4 horshoes.

yeahyeahyeah
05-27-2012, 05:15 AM
No that's just a guess what they can do. It will be better than a scalp tattoo. They can also increase your current hair diameter assuming you're still have good follicles.

Sigh, I wish people would stop guessing on here.

I think part of the reason why this board is so negative, is because people freak out over speculation which is based on x person's opinion. Who for that point ironically has no idea what is really going on either.

If Aderans are in the game of regrowing hair, what good will microscopic hair do for anyone?...I may as well apply toppik. As far as I understand they are in the process of perfecting their treatment.

To add, spending over a 100 million for a treatment where there are no cosmetic significant hairs, is a failure.

yeahyeahyeah
05-27-2012, 05:20 AM
I wouldn't worry so much if I were you yeahyeahyeah you have a mature hairline you won't be balding for a long time, you will find these treatments useful if they make it to market.


I have a feeling that you are right, but, how do we know that the mature hairline is not a myth?

Maradona
05-27-2012, 05:30 AM
I have a feeling that you are right, but, how do we know that the mature hairline is not a myth?

It is a myth. You're balding it's just that it is very slow or it has stopped there for the moment, you said you were shedding 10 hairs. That's nothing. You should be good for the next 5 years.

I'm shedding like a dog.

yeahyeahyeah
05-27-2012, 06:07 AM
It is a myth. You're balding it's just that it is very slow or it has stopped there for the moment, you said you were shedding 10 hairs. That's nothing. You should be good for the next 5 years.

I'm shedding like a dog.

Depressing.

No gaurentee that it wont become aggressive

hairysituation
05-27-2012, 06:23 AM
Ok, Maradona. If Aderan's only can fill in bald gaps, without good quality hairs, wouldn't BHT (Body Hair Transplant) be a much better option?

Davey Jones
05-27-2012, 07:30 AM
I want everyone to keep in mind that any comment on the effectiveness of treatments in slick bald areas is purely speculative. Each treatment works in a different way, so each, totally independantly of the effectiveness of the others, may or may not work on these follicles, and only experimentation can reveal that.. Anyone who says they KNOW they don't work is talking out of their a**. And same thing to people who say they KNOW they will work on slick bald areas.

Maradona
05-27-2012, 10:27 AM
Ok, Maradona. If Aderan's only can fill in bald gaps, without good quality hairs, wouldn't BHT (Body Hair Transplant) be a much better option?

You do have a point. I hope they can produce brad pitt hairs, but it is clear as water (at least to me) that it will most likely never happen with aderans.



but who knows?

I also wonder if replicel's microscopic hairs were at the right angle or not, they never mentioned this.

CVAZBAR
05-27-2012, 03:12 PM
Thank you for being our guardian angel.



Amazing and trully inspiring statement.

Yes, his IQ is of a genius but yet he is here arguing with a dude who he claims has an IQ of a retarded monkey. He can also predict the future. I guess he really is here to save us ha. Speaking of idiots.

WashedOut
05-27-2012, 03:15 PM
It is a myth. You're balding it's just that it is very slow or it has stopped there for the moment, you said you were shedding 10 hairs. That's nothing. You should be good for the next 5 years.

I'm shedding like a dog.

Mature hairline is not a myth. There are 80 year old guys out there with V shaped hairlines and they die with hair. Maybe if they live to be 150 years old they will go bald but who knows/cares.

2020
05-27-2012, 03:24 PM
Mature hairline is not a myth. There are 80 year old guys out there with V shaped hairlines and they die with hair. Maybe if they live to be 150 years old they will go bald but who knows/cares.

normal hairline + hair loss = mature hairline.

They still have hair loss it's just that their loss has not yet advanced far enough....

WashedOut
05-27-2012, 03:26 PM
normal hairline + hair loss = mature hairline.

They still have hair loss it's just that their loss has not yet advanced far enough....

But does it mean that all these men are destined to go bald? If every man with mature hairline lived to the age of 200 would they all be bald? That is the question.

2020
05-27-2012, 03:34 PM
But does it mean that all these men are destined to go bald? If every man with mature hairline lived to the age of 200 would they all be bald? That is the question.

probably... show me a "mature" hairline that happened in someone's twenties and where it hasn't changed in the next 20 years....


this is what a person who will NEVER EVER go bald looks like:

http://media.zenfs.com/en_US/News/TheWrap/JoeEszterhas.jpeg

Joe Eszterhas, age 67

WashedOut
05-27-2012, 03:49 PM
probably... show me a "mature" hairline that happened in someone's twenties and where it hasn't changed in the next 20 years....


this is what a person who will NEVER EVER go bald looks like:

http://media.zenfs.com/en_US/News/TheWrap/JoeEszterhas.jpeg

Joe Eszterhas, age 67

Ted Kennedy in 1964

http://abcnews.go.com/images/News/gty_ted_kennedy_brothel_dr_110228_mn.jpg

Ted Kennedy in 2008

http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/files/2008-may/Ted_20Kennedy_20AP_20Susan_20Walsh.jpg

2020
05-27-2012, 03:54 PM
interesting.... that usually never happens

yeahyeahyeah
05-27-2012, 04:21 PM
shit, my hairline is like ted kennedys.

UK_
05-27-2012, 04:22 PM
Wow, what a difference hair makes eh? You can bet your ass there's shit loads of politicians that have taken a knock back just for being bald.

Kiwi
05-28-2012, 05:35 AM
Wow you make me look like a good guy.

But the guy is right that's what aderans is doing in essence: practicing.

Aderans goal right now and expectations are not to give you a brad pitt hairline.

It is impossible at this point because they are only using DHT resistant derma papilla and derma sheath cells. These cells only produce hair fiber when they are stimulated by other cells or "follicular stem cells" "progenitor cells" whatever you wanna call it. Also the hair thickness is proportional to the number of these cells.

So their ji-gami combinations are most likely made of different cultured cells from different parts of the follicles with different concentrations + DP cells to see which of these ji-gami series gives you a more consistent and better results on all stages of MPB.

They simply are picking up on the mistakes of intercytex and trying to improve their product. So it is expected that they will be better than them or at least more consistent.

Obviously (at least to me), they will not be able and they are aware they will not restore nw7s to nw1s with nice and fully functioning Brad pitt follicles especially with the discovery that those guys at Tokyo did. You need many things into play to achieve such result.

Their main goal is to make money and how? Well they already have Bosley or are Bosley.

So they will be satisfied to increase overall density along with transplants to give you a realistic non-balding look. For example transplanted hair can be put all over the scalp with really low density and these new follicles from aderans will fill in the gaps, assuming they are successful in increasing the shaft diameter of new and existing miniaturized follicles.

It can also increase shaft diameter of existing follicles. The main problem is consistency. Even if you have the miniaturized follicles it might not be possible to do this in practice and this is what they have been working on.

And yes these guys are testing on advanced stage pattern baldness, they are the only ones.

I am not sure which part of the scalp though.

I think aderans will be the first to come to market but it's not the cure we are all expecting, some will find this useful.

That's my opinion.

Thank god it's only your OPINION.

Aderans was developing their product before Intercytex went bust and bought their assets / research when they closed down.

Therefore you're a little wrong about what Adrerans is doing. If anything they are probably trying to refine their product with whatever small results Intercytex was demonstrating.

Anyway I hope you are right about the ability to gain extra density :))

By the way who is this noob whiny douche bag you're talking too? He needs to shut the **** up - he can spread his gay ass moans elsewhere. Don't encourage her!!!

Maradona
05-28-2012, 06:05 AM
probably... show me a "mature" hairline that happened in someone's twenties and where it hasn't changed in the next 20 years....


this is what a person who will NEVER EVER go bald looks like:

http://media.zenfs.com/en_US/News/TheWrap/JoeEszterhas.jpeg

Joe Eszterhas, age 67

This is what my maternal grandfather looks like but he is 80. It just shows you there is no such thing as senile alopecia, almost everyone has the balding gene. They just bald really slow and at old age.

JRQ
05-28-2012, 11:35 PM
I have dealt with Aderans for the past year and a half...the clinical site that I was going to have my trial at unfortunately closed due to lack of participation. However, here is the best timeline I can give you from my own personal involvement-

Phase 2 was just finally closed starting around February of this year. Seeing as how the trial takes 52 weeks to 'complete', we have a bit of a wait. I would estimate they are now around 18 weeks in to the last round of phase 2 participants, leaving us with around 34 weeks until phase 2 results are to be announced, with phase 3 hopefully following soon thereafter. This equates to a date of apr. mid February 2013 for phase 2 results and phase 3 to possibly begin.

I will also say that having dealt with them for so long, they are now much, much more confident than in my earlier experiences with them. This is subjective on my part, however they seem to be much more aggressive than before, leading me to believe they have a product they can truly count on for efficacy and results. I'm as pessimistic as they come, and I have my eggs in their basket. The science seems to be the most straightforward and tested of those out there, and regardless of what naysayers spew, investors will NOT put the amount of money that Aderans Research has been allocated unless some tangible product will soon be derived from years of research. Just my opinion, but I'm personally watching them very closely.

yeahyeahyeah
05-29-2012, 02:55 AM
Hi JRQ,

Does their tech work? As in regrow cosmetically visible hairs?

Maradona
05-29-2012, 03:04 AM
I have dealt with Aderans for the past year and a half...the clinical site that I was going to have my trial at unfortunately closed due to lack of participation. However, here is the best timeline I can give you from my own personal involvement-

Phase 2 was just finally closed starting around February of this year. Seeing as how the trial takes 52 weeks to 'complete', we have a bit of a wait. I would estimate they are now around 18 weeks in to the last round of phase 2 participants, leaving us with around 34 weeks until phase 2 results are to be announced, with phase 3 hopefully following soon thereafter. This equates to a date of apr. mid February 2013 for phase 2 results and phase 3 to possibly begin.

I will also say that having dealt with them for so long, they are now much, much more confident than in my earlier experiences with them. This is subjective on my part, however they seem to be much more aggressive than before, leading me to believe they have a product they can truly count on for efficacy and results. I'm as pessimistic as they come, and I have my eggs in their basket. The science seems to be the most straightforward and tested of those out there, and regardless of what naysayers spew, investors will NOT put the amount of money that Aderans Research has been allocated unless some tangible product will soon be derived from years of research. Just my opinion, but I'm personally watching them very closely.

You're full of shit. End of the story.

Investors will throw in money because these scientists will not tell them the truth.

Kiwi
05-29-2012, 06:34 AM
You're full of shit. End of the story.

Investors will throw in money because these scientists will not tell them the truth.

Dude do you work for Replicel?

Give this guy a break. Aderans is obviously closest to market - we don't really know if he's full of shit just like he doesn't really know whats going on behind closed doors.

yeahyeahyeah
05-29-2012, 06:58 AM
Strange how Maradona went from the most positive poster, to extremely negative.

Artista
05-29-2012, 08:30 AM
I want to thank you for beginning such a great and POSITIVE thread.
You have been able to provide documented facts and timelines. Lets really hope for the best with Aderans .
The only way to subdue the nay-saying and the pessimism's is to NOT react or respond at all. The negativity, especially on THIS particular thread really means nothing to most of us.
Without any reactions to the insults,doom and gloom etc ,it would go away. You can count on human nature for that result.

Being that Aderans has been on this research for approx a DECADE now, you cant count them out at all especially with the RESULTS thus far.
Thanks again -Yeah'

amadeus
05-29-2012, 09:19 AM
I think we can all help to keep these threads positive and constructive. As long as we ignore the negative posters we can keep these treads productive. This is a the best hair loss forum on the internet with some really smart posters who understand that the very fact that Aderans and other companies are diligently working on these treatments is a very positive thing for all of us. Let’s not allow these negative posters to discourage us or try to overrun this forum.


I want to thank you for beginning such a great and POSITIVE thread.
You have been able to provide documented facts and timelines. Lets really hope for the best with Aderans .
The only way to subdue the nay-saying and the pessimism's is to NOT react or respond at all. The negativity, especially on THIS particular thread really means nothing to most of us.
Without any reactions to the insults,doom and gloom etc ,it would go away. You can count on human nature for that result.

Being that Aderans has been on this research for approx a DECADE now, you cant count them out at all especially with the RESULTS thus far.
Thanks again -Yeah'

JRQ
05-29-2012, 09:46 AM
You're full of shit. End of the story.

Investors will throw in money because these scientists will not tell them the truth.

Actually no, just a very, very persistent young man that would do anything to have hair again; and I think we all know when you want something as badly as this, you will not stop until you get it back.

I'm not here to sugar coat anything at all. I'm personally in the "Replicel is pretty much dead" group here after the results recently posted. With Aderans, the technology is so much more straightforward than many of the others...I know you probably try to be the level head in a room full of optimists, however don't let your role cloud your vision on anything seen as positive. They have officially closed Phase 3 as of February, which is a huge step. We now know that by February 2013, they will have results posted, whether positive or negative. My money personally is on positive.

yeahyeahyeah
05-29-2012, 09:46 AM
Dude do you work for Replicel?

Give this guy a break. Aderans is obviously closest to market - we don't really know if he's full of shit just like he doesn't really know whats going on behind closed doors.


I want to thank you for beginning such a great and POSITIVE thread.
You have been able to provide documented facts and timelines. Lets really hope for the best with Aderans .
The only way to subdue the nay-saying and the pessimism's is to NOT react or respond at all. The negativity, especially on THIS particular thread really means nothing to most of us.
Without any reactions to the insults,doom and gloom etc ,it would go away. You can count on human nature for that result.

Being that Aderans has been on this research for approx a DECADE now, you cant count them out at all especially with the RESULTS thus far.
Thanks again -Yeah'

No problem, I think it is for the good of the community that we follow what all of the companies are doing. I think people really need to put things in perspective and look at the bigger picture.

As it stands, Histogen have regrown a significant amount of hair on the human scalp, to the point that it is cosmetically visible. This alone is a breakthrough.

Aderans WILL now be under pressure now to follow suit. So all this talk of, "oh their product is going to be like a scalp tattoo" is folly. (If that is the case, I may as well get a scalp tattoo, or use Toppik, think about it)

I am sure Aderans knows, given that Histogen are breathing down their neck (along with others), if their technology is just not good enough. When Histogen release a product, which looks ever so likely given their results. They will lose a significant market share. Finally, if the treatment is simply shit, then I doubt people will buy into their technology after it has been released. They wont get a return of investment, it will be acell all over again.

Aderans or for that matter - all of these companies, are trying to tap into this untapped market because of $$$$ they can make. Defeats the whole point if they do not produce something better then the existing treatments that are already available on the market.

You also have Follica, who are very quiet; who knows, they may turn out to be the dark horses in the race and come out with something first.

And lets not forget replicel, their phase 1 results were disappointing in terms of efficiency, but who's to know what they will produce in the future. I think the problem here, some people got their hopes up with replicel, WHEN, they had not even completed phase 1...they were setting themselves for disappointment. Not every company is going to do well, get over it.

I don't think there has ever been a time like this, where you have so many companies actively working on trying to cure this disease, in the days of intercytex - it was mainly research driven with less competition. The market was also at its infancy.

Companies now are trying to produce an actual product. And have proven, as shown in the case of histogen that they can produce cosmetically visible hairs.

The future is bright for baldies. Thus, the negativity is unfounded for. I am also sure that the scientists working at these places have thought about the same questions raised time and time again by forum members. They are professionals, let them get on with it.

JRQ
05-29-2012, 09:49 AM
Hi JRQ,

Does their tech work? As in regrow cosmetically visible hairs?

Hello,

I was unfortunately unable to participate in the phase 2 study. You weren't allowed to be on Propecia 12 months prior to the study, and I had been...so we both decided that since my 12 months off was coming up soon, we would wait so I could participate at this site. Then once I went back, Aderans had stopped testing at that site due to low turnout, and opened some further south. I was extremely disappointed, but was told to wait for Phase 3 in early 2013.

yeahyeahyeah
05-29-2012, 09:54 AM
Actually no, just a very, very persistent young man that would do anything to have hair again; and I think we all know when you want something as badly as this, you will not stop until you get it back.

I'm not here to sugar coat anything at all. I'm personally in the "Replicel is pretty much dead" group here after the results recently posted. With Aderans, the technology is so much more straightforward than many of the others...I know you probably try to be the level head in a room full of optimists, however don't let your role cloud your vision on anything seen as positive. They have officially closed Phase 3 as of February, which is a huge step. We now know that by February 2013, they will have results posted, whether positive or negative. My money personally is on positive.

Can I have a source for this?

UK_
05-29-2012, 10:09 AM
Hello,

I was unfortunately unable to participate in the phase 2 study. You weren't allowed to be on Propecia 12 months prior to the study, and I had been...so we both decided that since my 12 months off was coming up soon, we would wait so I could participate at this site. Then once I went back, Aderans had stopped testing at that site due to low turnout, and opened some further south. I was extremely disappointed, but was told to wait for Phase 3 in early 2013.

Thanks for your information, in your personal opinion, are you getting the feeling that "the race is on" for the first to market after dealing with Aderans??

Replicel gained double digit hair growth in some of their participants - they had a response rate of 63%!!! And this is all before establishing proper dose ranges/number of injections and only within the first 6 months of treatment- it took Aderans until nearly 300 participants and several formulas to hit anywhere near the 70% success rate range. Nonetheless I think people are utterly stupid to react negatively to such results - let's all do a clinical trial of finasteride and minoxidil and see what kind of results we get after 6 months... WE ALL KNOW Finasteride and Minox needs a good 9 - 12 months to perform, Replicels/Aderans treatment should be no different!

JRQ
05-29-2012, 10:09 AM
Atlanta, GA (PRWEB) March 28, 2012 -- Aderans Research reached a major milestone this month with the completion of enrollment in one of its key Phase 2 clinical protocols. A total of more than 350 subjects across the country are enrolled in the trial, which evaluates the effect of Aderans’ unique Ji Gami™ family of cell products on pattern hair loss.

With me being increasingly persistent about being involved with a trial study, I went to another test site and they had just closed. It was a part of Aderans latest inductions of Radiant Research facilities that it increasingly uses for trials. They had just closed Phase 2 as of February, and since they require 52 total weeks of observation, that would equate to Feb. 2013.
Also, they are very easy to contact by phone-

Atlanta
2211 Newmarket Parkway, Suite 142
Marietta, GA 30067
1-678-213-1919

Ask to speak to the clinical trials rep. and they can answer things I'm not fully aware of, etc.

JRQ
05-29-2012, 10:13 AM
Thanks for your information, in your personal opinion, are you getting the feeling that "the race is on" for the first to market?

Yes and no I guess you can say....you would think Aderans would have a fire burning underneath them with the massive financial clout they possess (and the subsequent need for positive results). However, I have learned through dealing with them for a while now that they are in no real hurry. I think of it as they want the best product possible and are willing to take their time to perfect it....however, it has become increasingly frustrating to watch them year after year take their sweet time lol. I do believe when Phase 3 comes along, it will go much, much faster.

yeahyeahyeah
05-29-2012, 10:13 AM
Thanks for your information, in your personal opinion, are you getting the feeling that "the race is on" for the first to market?

Replicel gained double digit hair growth in some of their participants - they had a response rate of 63%!!! And this is all before establishing proper dose ranges/number of injections and only within the first 6 months of treatment- it took Aderans until nearly 300 participants and several formulas to hit anywhere near the 70% success rate range.

Replicel needs to show photos.

BoSox
05-29-2012, 10:31 AM
JRQ, what's your opinion of Aderans.. do you honestly believe in an endless amount of donor hair? Thanks for sharing the information, we all greatly appriciate it. I'm glad they are working on perfecting their treatment, but like you said it is frustrating waiting.. but I'm willing to wait knowing I can get a full head of hair, regardless of where I'm at on the Norwood scale.

Thanks.

Follicle Death Row
05-29-2012, 05:39 PM
Yes and no I guess you can say....you would think Aderans would have a fire burning underneath them with the massive financial clout they possess (and the subsequent need for positive results). However, I have learned through dealing with them for a while now that they are in no real hurry. I think of it as they want the best product possible and are willing to take their time to perfect it....however, it has become increasingly frustrating to watch them year after year take their sweet time lol. I do believe when Phase 3 comes along, it will go much, much faster.

I think you might be right. Well I hope so anyway. Phase 2 is the real experimenting stage and Dr. Washenik has said this before. They're trying several of the different Ji-Gami approaches and are going to go with the best one for phase 3 so phase 3 will just be about mass testing I believe. They're a good bit ahead of the competition from my understanding anyway. They also had some super close ups like Histogen of increased hair count and diameter at one of the talks last year I think. The video is out there somewhere.

Maradona
05-29-2012, 06:13 PM
Actually no, just a very, very persistent young man that would do anything to have hair again; and I think we all know when you want something as badly as this, you will not stop until you get it back.

I'm not here to sugar coat anything at all. I'm personally in the "Replicel is pretty much dead" group here after the results recently posted. With Aderans, the technology is so much more straightforward than many of the others...I know you probably try to be the level head in a room full of optimists, however don't let your role cloud your vision on anything seen as positive. They have officially closed Phase 3 as of February, which is a huge step. We now know that by February 2013, they will have results posted, whether positive or negative. My money personally is on positive.

One thing is being OPTIMISTIC. Another thing is being a DUMB FOOL willing to buy and believe anything without science/evidence. You are all going to believe this troll? are you that desesperate?

This can be easily checked down. Any moderator check this guy's IP address and you will see he is another user on this forum.

Yes Aderans is promising but we don't need a troll making up stories to reinforce that statement.

This is being optimistic: "There is no evidence and scientific data to back up that aderans CAN grow terminal thick hair that we could all use, BUT THEY MAY BE ABLE TO OVERCOME THIS AGAINST ALL ODDS".

This is being a fool: "when is phase 3 going to be over according to you troll who just made a second/new account "

JRQ
05-29-2012, 07:44 PM
One thing is being OPTIMISTIC. Another thing is being a DUMB FOOL willing to buy and believe anything without science/evidence. You are all going to believe this troll? are you that desesperate?

This can be easily checked down. Any moderator check this guy's IP address and you will see he is another user on this forum.

Yes Aderans is promising but we don't need a troll making up stories to reinforce that statement.

This is being optimistic: "There is no evidence and scientific data to back up that aderans CAN grow terminal thick hair that we could all use, BUT THEY MAY BE ABLE TO OVERCOME THIS AGAINST ALL ODDS".

This is being a fool: "when is phase 3 going to be over according to you troll who just made a second/new account "

You're just a few seconds away from irritating me with your behavior. I suggest you chill out and stop making a FOOL of yourself.

Please do trace my IP and see that I'm currently a student at VCU in Richmond. Aderans even pays for my tuition!!!:rolleyes:

Not that I need to explain myself, but I've taken greater interest in this forum and have been lurking for months now....I finally decided to face my truth of balding and join where people understand the crap of watching more and more hair float down the shower drain every day. I'm only here to report what little I know. I don't know the other companies too well, but I know them well enough. I have dealt with Aderans for about 14 months or so now, and I'm just telling my experience and knowledge thus far. So please tone it down.

Plus, what infiltrator for Aderans is going to be online posting at 11:00pm? lol.

JRQ
05-29-2012, 07:50 PM
JRQ, what's your opinion of Aderans.. do you honestly believe in an endless amount of donor hair? Thanks for sharing the information, we all greatly appriciate it. I'm glad they are working on perfecting their treatment, but like you said it is frustrating waiting.. but I'm willing to wait knowing I can get a full head of hair, regardless of where I'm at on the Norwood scale.

Thanks.

I believe it may possibly take multiple visit, but in essence I do believe that's the case. They will cut an approximate dime-size shape from the back scalp (at least they do for the clinical trial) where they then clone the follicles and place them throughout the balding area. This is what I personally like about it....it's sort of like a tried and true routine hair transplant, they're just able to clone the actual follicle and place many times more throughout the balding area....and in my own, subjective opinion, I don't think there's any chance of enrolling 350 phase 2 participants with something that simply doesn't work. I may be totally incorrect, but I'm pretty good typically at sniffing these things out lol.

john2399
05-29-2012, 08:07 PM
I believe it may possibly take multiple visit, but in essence I do believe that's the case. They will cut an approximate dime-size shape from the back scalp (at least they do for the clinical trial) where they then clone the follicles and place them throughout the balding area. This is what I personally like about it....it's sort of like a tried and true routine hair transplant, they're just able to clone the actual follicle and place many times more throughout the balding area....and in my own, subjective opinion, I don't think there's any chance of enrolling 350 phase 2 participants with something that simply doesn't work. I may be totally incorrect, but I'm pretty good typically at sniffing these things out lol.

Do you think 2014 is a realistic date for their release?

greatjob!
05-29-2012, 09:59 PM
I believe it may possibly take multiple visit, but in essence I do believe that's the case. They will cut an approximate dime-size shape from the back scalp (at least they do for the clinical trial) where they then clone the follicles and place them throughout the balding area. This is what I personally like about it....it's sort of like a tried and true routine hair transplant, they're just able to clone the actual follicle and place many times more throughout the balding area....and in my own, subjective opinion, I don't think there's any chance of enrolling 350 phase 2 participants with something that simply doesn't work. I may be totally incorrect, but I'm pretty good typically at sniffing these things out lol.

This is what worries me about their treatment. It may give unlimited donor supply, but it is still going to take a hair transplant surgeon to properly place the hair. And being that Aderans is connected with Bosley I'm worried because I wouldn't let Bosley touch my head with their track record. The only way I would consider this treatment is if it was in the hands of a trusted hair transplant surgeon, ie hasson & Wong, Feller, Rahal etc.

JRQ
05-29-2012, 10:21 PM
Do you think 2014 is a realistic date for their release?

I know it's a huge downer, but I would think 2015 at the earliest...if you follow the clinical trials protocol set forth by the U.S. National Institutes of Health, it should go as follows:


Clinical trials are conducted in phases. The trials at each phase have a different purpose and help scientists answer different questions:

In Phase I trials, researchers test an experimental drug or treatment in a small group of people (20-80) for the first time to evaluate its safety, determine a safe dosage range, and identify side effects.

In Phase II trials, the experimental study drug or treatment is given to a larger group of people (100-300) to see if it is effective and to further evaluate its safety.

In Phase III trials, the experimental study drug or treatment is given to large groups of people (1,000-3,000) to confirm its effectiveness, monitor side effects, compare it to commonly used treatments, and collect information that will allow the experimental drug or treatment to be used safely.

In Phase IV trials, post marketing studies delineate additional information including the drug's risks, benefits, and optimal use.

I would say Phase 3 will also be 52 weeks, as is Phase 2....if they stringently follow this guideline, Phase 2 will end in Feb. 2013, Phase 3 may end around March/April 2014, and Phase 4 MAY end in 2015. However, I see this as overly optimistic, but I may be wrong. I hope I am.....

Pate
05-30-2012, 05:53 AM
I would say Phase 3 will also be 52 weeks, as is Phase 2....if they stringently follow this guideline, Phase 2 will end in Feb. 2013, Phase 3 may end around March/April 2014, and Phase 4 MAY end in 2015. However, I see this as overly optimistic, but I may be wrong. I hope I am.....

They don't need to do Phase IV before they launch. Phase IV is for after the treatment is already on the market - hence the term "post-marketing studies."

Pate
05-30-2012, 06:00 AM
You're just a few seconds away from irritating me with your behavior. I suggest you chill out and stop making a FOOL of yourself.

Just ignore Maradona. Or put him on the Ignore list like I have.

He used to be a valuable contributor but now he's just a bitter guy who got his hopes up with Replicel and now seems to be trying to drag everyone down to his level of depression.

The rest of us appreciate your posts and can tell you're not an Aderans shill (since they have massive funding, access to Spencer's show if they ever want it, and no marketable product yet, shilling for them would be pointless!).

JRQ
05-30-2012, 07:37 AM
They don't need to do Phase IV before they launch. Phase IV is for after the treatment is already on the market - hence the term "post-marketing studies."

Lol, that's what I get for posting at 4:00 something a.m. Thanks for catching that and giving me more hope for an earlier date. Any possible cure, regardless of technique or company, can't come soon enough.

yeahyeahyeah
05-30-2012, 07:38 AM
I know it's a huge downer, but I would think 2015 at the earliest...if you follow the clinical trials protocol set forth by the U.S. National Institutes of Health, it should go as follows:


Clinical trials are conducted in phases. The trials at each phase have a different purpose and help scientists answer different questions:

In Phase I trials, researchers test an experimental drug or treatment in a small group of people (20-80) for the first time to evaluate its safety, determine a safe dosage range, and identify side effects.

In Phase II trials, the experimental study drug or treatment is given to a larger group of people (100-300) to see if it is effective and to further evaluate its safety.

In Phase III trials, the experimental study drug or treatment is given to large groups of people (1,000-3,000) to confirm its effectiveness, monitor side effects, compare it to commonly used treatments, and collect information that will allow the experimental drug or treatment to be used safely.

In Phase IV trials, post marketing studies delineate additional information including the drug's risks, benefits, and optimal use.

I would say Phase 3 will also be 52 weeks, as is Phase 2....if they stringently follow this guideline, Phase 2 will end in Feb. 2013, Phase 3 may end around March/April 2014, and Phase 4 MAY end in 2015. However, I see this as overly optimistic, but I may be wrong. I hope I am.....

BANG on their timeline.

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/4181/aderanstimeline.jpg

Follicle Death Row
05-30-2012, 08:10 AM
Well done yeahyeahyeah. That was in the presentation too. No idea were I saw the video.

john2399
05-30-2012, 10:41 AM
So it looks like we will have aderans and latisse in the next couple years.

TravisB
05-30-2012, 10:50 AM
From what I remember, Aderans Phase I results were very mediocre. Do you think that the later phases will give much better results?

Also, can someone tell me what phase they are currently in? Phase II?

yeahyeahyeah
05-30-2012, 01:16 PM
This is what worries me about their treatment. It may give unlimited donor supply, but it is still going to take a hair transplant surgeon to properly place the hair. And being that Aderans is connected with Bosley I'm worried because I wouldn't let Bosley touch my head with their track record. The only way I would consider this treatment is if it was in the hands of a trusted hair transplant surgeon, ie hasson & Wong, Feller, Rahal etc.

Aderans plans to make it distributable to other outlets aside from Bosley.

I can imagine though in the first year it will be used by bosley.

Wouldn't worry about it, because once its out, you can go to a reputable HT doctor - get a surgery done. Then later on, once the others adopt it - go back and get it done with Aderans treatment.;)

The problem everyone has RIGHT NOW, is that in order to get a HT you need to be taking propecia - which requires us to mess around with our hormones. This should no longer be the case with Aderans treatment.

BoSox
05-30-2012, 01:56 PM
It's stressful thinking I have to wait until 2014-15 for something that "might" cure baldness.

Fingers crosssssssssssed!

yeahyeahyeah
05-30-2012, 02:00 PM
It's stressful thinking I have to wait until 2014-15 for something that "might" cure baldness.

Fingers crosssssssssssed!

Better then it coming out in 2020 or even worse not coming out at all.

I feel really sorry for the dudes who went bald in the 70,80,90s

john2399
05-30-2012, 02:01 PM
It's stressful thinking I have to wait until 2014-15 for something that "might" cure baldness.

Fingers crosssssssssssed!

I don't think we will have a true cure but just a great treatment to help the cause but not reverse baldness.

yeahyeahyeah
05-30-2012, 02:05 PM
I don't think we will have a true cure but just a great treatment to help the cause but not reverse baldness.

In other words you will never be a NW6

john2399
05-30-2012, 02:26 PM
In other words you will never be a NW6

hopefully..i think we will all be happy with coverage and the apperance of a full head of hair.

yeahyeahyeah
05-30-2012, 02:28 PM
hopefully..i think we will all be happy with coverage and the apperance of a full head of hair.

If donor supply is not a problem, then I can't see why this can't be done.

Heck, we can ever get back down to a NW0.

Don't forget about histogen too. Could potentially combine both treatments.

Sogeking
05-30-2012, 03:20 PM
I think things as price and distribution should be discussed prior to and after the release of the treatment to market. So at this current point it is futile.
Who knows how well Aderans works, they did have bad results at Phase I trials but they did what Replicel should do, they went back to the drawing board did more research and more extensive Phase II trials which started in 2006 if I remember correctly.

I am hoping they will do well but alas we have no proof of that. We will just have to wait. But Phase II shoud end this year and thats great!

hairysituation
05-31-2012, 11:10 AM
I'm sorry to have been what someone will call "negative" regarding Aderans, but I have actually started to see the positive in their research. They have actually proved to be growing cosmetical desireble hairs. These hairs have also apperead in the amazingly amount of 13 hairs pr cm^2 (per square centimeter), which is only experienced by the luckiest Finasteride patients. In 2010, 60-70% of the trial candidats experienced these latter results. In addition, this was only in the beginning period of the trials.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oQYjppOPJM

yeahyeahyeah
05-31-2012, 12:37 PM
I'm sorry to have been what someone will call "negative" regarding Aderans, but I have actually started to see the positive in their research. They have actually proved to be growing cosmetical desireble hairs. These hairs have also apperead in the amazingly amount of 13 hairs pr cm^2 (per square centimeter), which is only experienced by the luckiest Finasteride patients. In 2010, 60-70% of the trial candidats experienced these latter results. In addition, this was only in the beginning period of the trials.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oQYjppOPJM

I suggest that the lower norwoods, me included , get off this board and live our lives for the next 2-3 years, when this becomes reality.

As you can see in the video, Aderans has photographic results on hair cloning. Which are cosmetically significant.

It is just a matter of time now.

If it gets released in 2014, I would be 28-29.

gmonasco
05-31-2012, 01:41 PM
What sort of government approval does a hair cloning technology require before being offered to consumers in the U.S.? It isn't a drug, it isn't something you ingest or inject, and it isn't even a topical, so I'm not sure what regulatory agency and scheme it falls under.

Follicle Death Row
05-31-2012, 03:11 PM
What sort of government approval does a hair cloning technology require before being offered to consumers in the U.S.? It isn't a drug, it isn't something you ingest or inject, and it isn't even a topical, so I'm not sure what regulatory agency and scheme it falls under.

New stem cell treatments or cell cloning will have to go through the FDA as there is the worry that the cells can be 'contaminated' or mutated in the replication and storage process. Fair enough I think.

yeahyeahyeah
05-31-2012, 03:58 PM
What happens if someone elses stem cells are injected in your head?

TravisB
05-31-2012, 04:29 PM
Well, I think you could have serious immunological complications. Your organism will try to reject those foreign cells.

BoSox
05-31-2012, 05:36 PM
So what's the waiting list going to be like on these treatments once released? I'm concerned about that, cost is not an issue.

CarlosSL
06-06-2012, 03:50 AM
http://www.startribune.com/business/157371095.html

BoSox
06-06-2012, 08:32 AM
http://www.startribune.com/business/157371095.html

In other words, doctors are afraid of losing their jobs because of hair cloning?

CarlosSL
06-06-2012, 08:36 AM
In other words, doctors are afraid of losing their jobs because of hair cloning?

I dont know xD. Damn it, I want a solution now! hahaha

Davey Jones
06-06-2012, 08:43 AM
What sort of government approval does a hair cloning technology require before being offered to consumers in the U.S.? It isn't a drug, it isn't something you ingest or inject, and it isn't even a topical, so I'm not sure what regulatory agency and scheme it falls under.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Aderans does involve an injection, doesn't it? Aren't these the "inject DS cells" guys?

Are you talking about something separate, or am I wrong about Aderans?

gmonasco
06-06-2012, 09:54 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Aderans does involve an injection, doesn't it? Aren't these the "inject DS cells" guys? Are you talking about something separate, or am I wrong about Aderans?

No, you're right. I was speculating about the type of hair multiplication treatment that might involve cloning follicles and then implanting them in the scalp in a manner similar to conventional HTs.

BoSox
06-09-2012, 01:49 PM
I'm getting really inpatient, I hope their 2014 timeline still stands. An update with great news would make me so happy right now, which I'm desperate for.

Hairismylife
06-20-2012, 07:43 AM
Any update news of Aderans?

Kiwi
06-21-2012, 12:09 AM
Not since march:
http://www.aderansresearch.com/ari_ournews.html

UK_
06-21-2012, 07:29 PM
No news is good news!!!

BoSox
07-25-2012, 04:11 AM
I hate how when I research hair cloning, most articles say that it's many years away, even decades.

That's very degrading :(

yeahyeahyeah
07-25-2012, 04:32 AM
I hate how when I research hair cloning, most articles say that it's many years away, even decades.

That's very degrading :(

I would quit coming here, but rather come back at the end of the year.

Maradona
07-25-2012, 09:42 AM
I hate how when I research hair cloning, most articles say that it's many years away, even decades.

That's very degrading :(

Well there is Gho if it's any consolation, lol !

JRQ
07-25-2012, 07:00 PM
Well there is Gho if it's any consolation, lol !

Anyone wanna pitch in and all of us get a plane and go over for the procedure? ;).

I'll say it again because I have been watching them for years....I believe Aderans will honestly start Phase 3 in February as stated. Phase 3 is huge for anyone dealing with hair loss.....it may not be the "best" of the solutions out there, but it is a solution. Where hair transplants are limited to a certain number of hairs, Aderans clones the follicles from a dime-sized excision from the back of the scalp, and multiplies these into several more hairs. Ultimately creating an "endless" supply of hairs to transplant.

That's the very watered down explanation for newbies or what have you....like I said, it's not as cool as Histogen is, but it IS a solution. And it's ahead of the pack when it comes to timetables. So we'll see. If Phase 3 is delayed beyond February, I'm going for a transplant. Didn't want to, but my loss is getting very noticeable :/ not cool to be 23 lol.

briandesigns
07-25-2012, 09:54 PM
the slides from OP's link says 2010, here is a video from a hair loss convention in MTL in 2011 and the same guy was giving a speech. In the vid he addresses the direction of the hair problem and apparently found a way to fix it... i havent gone through the whole vid in OP's link yet so relax if its the same info.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oQYjppOPJM

edit: i see that this vid was already posted

BoSox
07-31-2012, 06:07 AM
Has Aderans proved unlimited donor supply, or will we know from their next update?

UK_
07-31-2012, 06:19 AM
No they have only proved unlimited wig supply.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7SwA1ENqxI&feature=related

Maradona
07-31-2012, 02:22 PM
No they have only proved unlimited wig supply.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7SwA1ENqxI&feature=related

I wish Adernas and the researchers at the university of Tokyo would work together.

That would be the kind of thing that would cause wet dreams to bald guys bro.

JRQ
07-31-2012, 02:28 PM
"Cellular hair regeneration offers a remarkable solution to the problem. By encouraging follicular cells to reproduce themselves via a method ARI calls the Ji Gami™ process, practically an unlimited number of hair-generating cellular units can be produced. During this process, often called hair multiplication or hair cloning, a small piece of tissue is removed from the neckline. Cells are cultivated in controlled conditions where they are encouraged to multiply by the addition of proprietary growth media. When enough new cells are formed, they are returned to the scalp, where they are injected and elicit new hair growth and thickness, ultimately producing more hair than the client had before."

This is directly from the cellular multiplication page from Aderans, which skeptics may say is just rhetoric. At this point, they could be right. However, going into phase 3 in February would personally lead me to believe they actually have the product/procedure ready to market.

yeahyeahyeah
07-31-2012, 02:29 PM
"Cellular hair regeneration offers a remarkable solution to the problem. By encouraging follicular cells to reproduce themselves via a method ARI calls the Ji Gami™ process, practically an unlimited number of hair-generating cellular units can be produced. During this process, often called hair multiplication or hair cloning, a small piece of tissue is removed from the neckline. Cells are cultivated in controlled conditions where they are encouraged to multiply by the addition of proprietary growth media. When enough new cells are formed, they are returned to the scalp, where they are injected and elicit new hair growth and thickness, ultimately producing more hair than the client had before."

This is directly from the cellular multiplication page from Aderans, which skeptics may say is just rhetoric. At this point, they could be right. However, going into phase 3 in February would personally lead me to believe they actually have the product/procedure ready to market.

If that is the case I will restore my juvanile hairline.

Kiwi
08-01-2012, 04:20 AM
"Cellular hair regeneration offers a remarkable solution to the problem. By encouraging follicular cells to reproduce themselves via a method ARI calls the Ji Gami™ process, practically an unlimited number of hair-generating cellular units can be produced. During this process, often called hair multiplication or hair cloning, a small piece of tissue is removed from the neckline. Cells are cultivated in controlled conditions where they are encouraged to multiply by the addition of proprietary growth media. When enough new cells are formed, they are returned to the scalp, where they are injected and elicit new hair growth and thickness, ultimately producing more hair than the client had before."

This is directly from the cellular multiplication page from Aderans, which skeptics may say is just rhetoric. At this point, they could be right. However, going into phase 3 in February would personally lead me to believe they actually have the product/procedure ready to market.

Will phase 3 take 1 year or longer?

yeahyeahyeah
08-01-2012, 06:52 AM
Will phase 3 take 1 year or longer?

2014 is the expected release date.

Artista
08-01-2012, 09:30 AM
Sounds good to me

BoSox
08-01-2012, 10:04 AM
2014 is the expected release date.

2014 is seriously not far off.. even if it was 2015 or 16.

PLEASE GOD LET THIS BE THE REAL DEAL

Sincerely,
An Athiest.

yeahyeahyeah
08-01-2012, 12:10 PM
2014 is seriously not far off.. even if it was 2015 or 16.

PLEASE GOD LET THIS BE THE REAL DEAL

Sincerely,
An Athiest.

If it gets delayed, I will say it will be out by 2015.

My only worry is cost and that Bosley will have access to it first.

Maradona
08-01-2012, 12:18 PM
If it gets delayed, I will say it will be out by 2015.

My only worry is cost and that Bosley will have access to it first.

Your only worry should be if it comes within your lifetime.

I think we will see cancer cured first than baldness.

yeahyeahyeah
08-01-2012, 12:56 PM
Your only worry should be if it comes within your lifetime.

I think we will see cancer cured first than baldness.

Histogen will have a marketable product, their results are very good.

Aderans will not take 20 years to complete phase 3, if and when it gets there.

It's a lot sooner then you think. A viable solution to cure baldness.

UK_
08-01-2012, 02:38 PM
^ yh - cell therapy is just the next advancement in hair transplantation... from plugs to strip to woods to ... cells.

JRQ
08-01-2012, 02:41 PM
I know Phase 2 took longer than expected. However, they did eventually enroll a massive 350 participants, and when you consider logistical costs of such a feat, they absolutely would not do that if they didn't have a proven product. Phase 2 took longer, I believe, because of their hair-angle issue (which I assume they finally resolved).

Phase 2 closed in late January and lasts 52 weeks (one year). Meaning results should be in by February. When you consider Histogen should announce their Phase 2 results in I believe January or so, Aderans should be right behind to announce Phase 3, in a sense deflating the buzz/news about their competition. I digress.....but I too pray Phase 3 comes out in Feb.

Kiwi
08-01-2012, 05:00 PM
Your only worry should be if it comes within your lifetime.

I think we will see cancer cured first than baldness.

Stop being such a negative nancy bro ;)

You don't know that. Those of us that know bits of your story and know your situation, we know that Aderans might not be the cure for guys like you, but it certainly gives hope to me, what I want is to add some serious density to my ever thinning golden locks... and if Aderans + Histogen can offer me just some of that in 2014 I'm ****ing buying!!

Another HT (probably Gho) + Aderans + Histogen is good enough for me!!

Kiwi
08-01-2012, 05:02 PM
I know Phase 2 took longer than expected. However, they did eventually enroll a massive 350 participants, and when you consider logistical costs of such a feat, they absolutely would not do that if they didn't have a proven product. Phase 2 took longer, I believe, because of their hair-angle issue (which I assume they finally resolved).

Phase 2 closed in late January and lasts 52 weeks (one year). Meaning results should be in by February. When you consider Histogen should announce their Phase 2 results in I believe January or so, Aderans should be right behind to announce Phase 3, in a sense deflating the buzz/news about their competition. I digress.....but I too pray Phase 3 comes out in Feb.

I hope they all start sharing some feel good images sometime soon!!!

Alf
08-02-2012, 04:35 AM
If that is the case I will restore my juvanile hairline.

But not in 2016. If they were able to take make an infinit amouint of hair to your head they would have shown some better results or at least see a lot of inside traiding:-) I read it like their long term goal is to make you as hairy as you want, but that the product they will release in 2016(if it works) will only increase your hair by some double digit percentage.

Kiwi
08-02-2012, 04:54 AM
But not in 2016. If they were able to take make an infinit amouint of hair to your head they would have shown some better results or at least see a lot of inside traiding:-) I read it like their long term goal is to make you as hairy as you want, but that the product they will release in 2016(if it works) will only increase your hair by some double digit percentage.

And you are.... ???

krewel
08-02-2012, 06:13 AM
But not in 2016. If they were able to take make an infinit amouint of hair to your head they would have shown some better results or at least see a lot of inside traiding:-) I read it like their long term goal is to make you as hairy as you want, but that the product they will release in 2016(if it works) will only increase your hair by some double digit percentage.

See, this is exactly what I mean. One of these smart guys again..
Not even one of his statements is valid. Complete rubbish.

5000
08-02-2012, 06:31 AM
suppose a treatment comes in 2014 or lets say 2015,16 dont you beleive it will also be alot more expensive than conventional HTs??

baldybald
08-02-2012, 06:43 AM
what do you mean by rubbish. do you know what does hair clonning mean? that what aderans is doing. histogen does grow some but there is not evidence that can grow all your hair that you lost, even if it compoundable.

baldybald
08-02-2012, 06:47 AM
suppose a treatment comes in 2014 or lets say 2015,16 dont you beleive it will also be alot more expensive than conventional HTs??

no, it will be less exp because we do not need a big team like in HT. take a sample from the donor area then multiply it in the lab and finally put it back to the head.

krewel
08-02-2012, 07:01 AM
no, it will be less exp because we do not need a big team like in HT. take a sample from the donor area then multiply it in the lab and finally put it back to the head.

Here we go again, another wild claim. You don't need a team? Are you actually aware of the costs of cell-culturing? This has to be done in a special laboratory. According to Mr.Hall from Replicel (and their technology is pretty much the same) the costs will be about the same, or at least competitive. And he wasn't even sure about that.

ulanude
08-02-2012, 07:08 AM
suppose a treatment comes in 2014 or lets say 2015,16 dont you beleive it will also be alot more expensive than conventional HTs??
we'd be lucky to see this in 2014-16. just too much money in HT (billion market)...and the lobby will just delay

baldybald
08-02-2012, 07:12 AM
Here we go again, another wild claim. You don't need a team? Are you actually aware of the costs of cell-culturing? This has to be done in a special laboratory. According to Mr.Hall from Replicel (and their technology is pretty much the same) the costs will be about the same, or at least competitive. And he wasn't even sure about that.

maybe you are right, but also the price that feller gives is not the same as hasson or rahal even if they use the same thing(HT)

BoSox
08-02-2012, 07:14 AM
Aderans utilizes patient's own hair to generate hair growth. The method is called Ji Gami which will provide unlimited number of hair generating cellular units.

I rest my case.

Maradona
08-02-2012, 07:19 AM
Aderans utilizes patient's own hair to generate hair growth. The method is called Ji Gami which will provide unlimited number of hair generating cellular units.

I rest my case.

Hopefully we can find out what they are up to this year.

I really think Aderans and Tokyo should join their research. That would be a no fail strategy.

We learned from replicel that doing what they claim is not easy at all and bound to fail most of the time :(.

krewel
08-02-2012, 08:39 AM
We learned from replicel that doing what they claim is not easy at all and bound to fail most of the time :(.

Replicel did not fail, but I don't want to go through this the 10th time. I heard a German interview with Prof.Hoffmann today and some patiens were showing >18% regrowth. That is absoluteley enough for Phase I. Phase II is planned to start 2013 in Germany with 60-100 participants and he is very confident about it.

BoSox
08-02-2012, 08:42 AM
Replicel did not fail, but I don't want to go through this the 10th time. I heard a German interview with Prof.Hoffmann today and some patiens were showing >18% regrowth. That is absoluteley enough for Phase I. Phase II is planned to start 2013 in Germany with 60-100 participants and he is very confident about it.

If Aderans is planning to come to market in 2014, how will Replicel even make any money? Baldness will be in the history books, why bother continuing with trials?

krewel
08-02-2012, 08:45 AM
If Aderans is planning to come to market in 2014, how will Replicel even make any money? Baldness will be in the history books, why bother continuing with trials?

Yes, that is my only concern with Replicel, which I mentioned some posts ago. I just wanted to make clear, that Replicel did not fail. All these false rumors are confusing people. But I guess if this problem appears for Replicel, it's not our concern anymore :).

Maradona
08-02-2012, 08:48 AM
Yes, that is my only concern with Replicel, which I mentioned some posts ago. I just wanted to make clear, that Replicel did not fail. All these false rumors are confusing people. But I guess if this problem appears for Replicel, it's not our concern anymore :).

It's an opinion. Some people consider it a total failure others see it as promising.

Nobody knows what will happen.:(

gutted
08-02-2012, 09:26 AM
we'd be lucky to see this in 2014-16. just too much money in HT (billion market)...and the lobby will just delay

intresting view...how about other treatments? like histogen etc?

baldybald
08-02-2012, 10:19 AM
i sent an email to histogen 1 month ago, but everytime i ask for the timeline they just ignore that question and answer the rest. at least they answer. here is the answer after asking them for updates:

Thank you for your interest and message. In addition to information from Dr. Ziering’s clinical study, the HSC page of our website has been updated with preliminary results from the ongoing Phase I/II clinical trial (http://www.histogen.com/applications/hsc.htm).



Histogen is pleased with the progress of the HSC program, and the safety and efficacy results seen with the treatment thus far. Further clinical trials will be required prior to market introduction of HSC in the US or elsewhere.



Thank you,

Eileen

Eileen Brandt

Director of Corporate Communications

Histogen, Inc

and here is an answer from aderans 3 months ago when i asked them for updates:

Right now our clinical sites have completed their enrollment for theactive protocols. We anticipate starting additional protocols and clinicsites in the coming months. Please continue to keep an eye on ourwebsite for updates using the link below. http://aderansresearch.com/ari_clinicupdates.html Thank you for your interest.
Info Desk
Aderans Research

gmonasco
08-02-2012, 10:24 AM
we'd be lucky to see this in 2014-16. just too much money in HT (billion market)...and the lobby will just delay

The hair transplant industry has no leverage to stop a multi-national corporation from bringing a hair loss treatment to market.

Maradona
08-02-2012, 10:26 AM
The hair transplant industry has no leverage to stop a multi-national corporation from bringing a hair loss treatment to market.

Yup, all they can do is talk shit on it and corner you into a HT.

JRQ
08-02-2012, 12:39 PM
Statistically speaking and at this point, I don't even consider Replicel as part of the game. I have my scope narrowed down to Histogen and Aderans, particularly the latter of the two. The technology Aderans is touting is a bit like a HT on steroids, but it can ultimately cure baldness. When you think of a normal single session transplant of typically around 2-4k grafts (not FUE), Aderans looks awesome. You're talking about unlimited follicles compared to a couple of thousand here and there.

I do hope that hair loss technology continues to progress until an actual pill can stop hair loss. Until that point, I'm fine with a small incision in the back of my scalp to produce unlimited follicles. I just want my damn hair line back lol.

Alf
08-02-2012, 12:42 PM
If Aderans is planning to come to market in 2014, how will Replicel even make any money? Baldness will be in the history books, why bother continuing with trials?

If the technology to replicel is cheaper or better in some other way they can take the market anyway.

briandesigns
08-02-2012, 02:59 PM
I feel like efficiency is going to be the key factor for Histogen vs aderans. We have some preliminary results from their research and we know that both their technology are effective, but it will really comes down to:

1- how much hair can i get per treatment?
2- how long the hair from 1 treatment will last me?

Dan26
08-02-2012, 06:45 PM
Will HT surgeons who are already doing FUT and FUE be the guys to use this technology??? Or are a bunch of new people going to get a hold of it. I would definitely want an experienced HT surgeon to be the guy creating my hairline.

UK_
08-03-2012, 11:54 AM
We will know about aderans next year probably.

baldybald
08-03-2012, 01:12 PM
maybe hairclub will offer it as aderans is the owner now. i think in october most of the information will come from them

Alf
08-04-2012, 08:49 AM
What does direction and angle mean when you talk about getting back hair?

JRQ
08-04-2012, 10:34 PM
It concerns the direction of follicle placement in terms of hair growth. For example, where a persons bangs are supposed to angle outward and down, they were ending up growing in all different directions. Aderans has supposedly found the correct method to ensure the correct growing patterns.

Alf
08-05-2012, 08:15 AM
It concerns the direction of follicle placement in terms of hair growth. For example, where a persons bangs are supposed to angle outward and down, they were ending up growing in all different directions. Aderans has supposedly found the correct method to ensure the correct growing patterns.

Thanks.

need 10 characters

yeahyeahyeah
08-05-2012, 08:18 AM
It concerns the direction of follicle placement in terms of hair growth. For example, where a persons bangs are supposed to angle outward and down, they were ending up growing in all different directions. Aderans has supposedly found the correct method to ensure the correct growing patterns.

If they are regrowing hair and its growing in the right direction.

Then it is a matter of time before they have a viable solution

JRQ
08-05-2012, 02:39 PM
If they are regrowing hair and its growing in the right direction.

Then it is a matter of time before they have a viable solution

If I remember correctly, that was one of the main reasons for phase II to last soooo long.

Thinning@30
08-05-2012, 08:18 PM
People seem to be quoting a 2014 release date for Aderans. I'm curious as to what the source is for that. When did Aderans claim they were aiming for a 2014 release date? Was it several years ago, or just recently? If they really are still aiming for 2014 that's very exciting! I hope we can get more information as far updates, potential cost of treatment, what kind of results to expect, etc.

yeahyeahyeah
08-06-2012, 02:43 AM
People seem to be quoting a 2014 release date for Aderans. I'm curious as to what the source is for that. When did Aderans claim they were aiming for a 2014 release date? Was it several years ago, or just recently? If they really are still aiming for 2014 that's very exciting! I hope we can get more information as far updates, potential cost of treatment, what kind of results to expect, etc.

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/4181/aderanstimeline.jpg

BoSox
08-06-2012, 04:01 AM
I'm not concerned about release date tbh, I just want to know if it can turn a NW 7 to NW 2.

yeahyeahyeah
08-06-2012, 04:29 AM
I'm not concerned about release date tbh, I just want to know if it can turn a NW 7 to NW 2.

I cant see why not if it is unlimited donor supply

BoSox
08-06-2012, 05:21 AM
I cant see why not if it is unlimited donor supply

Too good to be true comes to mind /:

yeahyeahyeah
08-06-2012, 05:32 AM
Too good to be true comes to mind /:

Why? This is what they have set out to do.

I will be more worried about the price.

Thinning@30
08-06-2012, 06:29 AM
Yeahyeahyeah, thanks for posting that timeline. It looks like it was published in June 2010, which makes me worry that the company may no longer be pushing for a 2014 release. Have they reaffirmed the 2014 date anytime during the last few months?

yeahyeahyeah
08-06-2012, 06:39 AM
Yeahyeahyeah, thanks for posting that timeline. It looks like it was published in June 2010, which makes me worry that the company may no longer be pushing for a 2014 release. Have they reaffirmed the 2014 date anytime during the last few months?

Well phase 2 should be finished by the end of the year. With phase 3 starting in February.

If all goes well 2014 is a realistic date.

Alf
08-06-2012, 06:43 AM
Well phase 2 should be finished by the end of the year. With phase 3 starting in February.

If all goes well 2014 is a realistic date.

I all goes well and we can use the time table from the previous page and just move phase 3 start from 2011 to 2013, 2016 would be the date?

yeahyeahyeah
08-06-2012, 06:47 AM
I all goes well and we can use the time table from the previous page and just move phase 3 start from 2011 to 2013, 2016 would be the date?

Why on earth would phase 3 start on 2013?

Nevermind forgot it was 2012 lol

JRQ
08-06-2012, 02:09 PM
I all goes well and we can use the time table from the previous page and just move phase 3 start from 2011 to 2013, 2016 would be the date?

If Phase 3 starts in February, as it should, then the 2014 date is very realistic. The only thing I could see happening would be a latter half 2014 release date instead of early 2014.

Alf
08-06-2012, 03:11 PM
If Phase 3 starts in February, as it should, then the 2014 date is very realistic. The only thing I could see happening would be a latter half 2014 release date instead of early 2014.

I'm only balding and no expert, but what's wrong with my reasoning and how do you reason?

JRQ
08-06-2012, 04:01 PM
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/4181/aderanstimeline.jpg

As you can see, everything has been bumped forward approximately one full year due to the hair angle issue in Phase II. Phase III is now set to end around December 2014, with the subsequent commercialization following. So it could still come out in the very latter half of 2014, or at the very latest, January/February 2015

yeahyeahyeah
08-06-2012, 06:46 PM
As you can see, everything has been bumped forward approximately one full year due to the hair angle issue in Phase II. Phase III is now set to end around December 2014, with the subsequent commercialization following. So it could still come out in the very latter half of 2014, or at the very latest, January/February 2015

How do you know this?

JRQ
08-06-2012, 08:50 PM
You can scroll back through this thread and check out my earlier posts, but I'll do a quick breakdown of how I personally take the graph-

Phase II studies were meant to end around July 2012 (the middle line). Since I assume they had difficulties with hair angle issues, Phase II was pushed back.

Phase II now did not officially close until late January/early February of this year (2012). Phase II lasts exactly 52 weeks, meaning results will not be out until they hit this mark in February 2013.

Phase III will not start immediately after this, which is the confusing part. According to the graph (and from knowledge of watching their clinical trials site), they leave recruitment open for some period of time. This is where it is VERY easy to flaw any calculations (and I have because of this myself). I always leave this out of my projections.

Considering the trials last 52 weeks each time, and the graphs shows an overlap of 4-5 months, I'll say Phase III will start around July/August 2013. Calculate 52 weeks later, you have August 2014 as a tentative ending.

Commercial release will follow shortly thereafter, most likely in the very latter half of 2014.


I don't work for them, nor am I an expert (obviously). I have just watched them very closely for a few years now and have down how they operate pretty well. Unlike what many people think, they run a pretty tight ship. No other new technology (Histogen, Replicel, etc.) has the reach or fiscal support that ARI does. Phase II enrolled 350 people alone at sites all over the country. That's what makes me feel at ease with them I guess you could say.

Hope this helps!

JRQ
08-10-2012, 01:47 PM
Some really good news for everyone following this thread- Aderans is already opening up screening (in select areas) for Phase 3 trials. Check out their clinical updates site posted below-
http://www.aderansresearch.com/ari_clinicupdates.html

I always try to check the website once a week, and was pleasantly surprised this time.

534623
08-10-2012, 02:05 PM
Some really good news for everyone following this thread- Aderans is already opening up screening (in select areas) for Phase 3 trials.

definitely - no.

yeahyeahyeah
08-10-2012, 02:43 PM
Some really good news for everyone following this thread- Aderans is already opening up screening (in select areas) for Phase 3 trials. Check out their clinical updates site posted below-
http://www.aderansresearch.com/ari_clinicupdates.html

I always try to check the website once a week, and was pleasantly surprised this time.

Where does it say they are recruiting for phase 3

JRQ
08-10-2012, 03:39 PM
Maybe I'm making assumptions, however they're based off of my semi-knowledgeable opinion of the company. Phase 2 recruitment is complete, results will be out in February, and they need new participants for Phase 3. Seems pretty common sense to me, but I shall call on Monday and find out.

yeahyeahyeah
08-10-2012, 03:41 PM
Maybe I'm making assumptions, however they're based off of my semi-knowledgeable opinion of the company. Phase 2 recruitment is complete, results will be out in February, and they need new participants for Phase 3. Seems pretty common sense to me, but I shall call on Monday and find out.

I think you should - you got my hopes high

JRQ
08-10-2012, 04:03 PM
I think you should - you got my hopes high

Lol, it got mine up too. I'll stay mum until I call Monday and get some info on it.

Kiwi
08-11-2012, 02:04 AM
Some really good news for everyone following this thread- Aderans is already opening up screening (in select areas) for Phase 3 trials. Check out their clinical updates site posted below-
http://www.aderansresearch.com/ari_clinicupdates.html

I always try to check the website once a week, and was pleasantly surprised this time.

Huh? For me it still only talks about phase II??

JRQ
08-11-2012, 10:42 AM
Huh? For me it still only talks about phase II??

Only slide over the Radiant Research sites and you'll see it.

The Alchemist
08-11-2012, 10:54 AM
Only slide over the Radiant Research sites and you'll see it.

I think you're correct. They're starting the screening process and since phase II has completed enrollment it must be for the phase III study. That would be a very significant step forward.

Dan26
08-11-2012, 04:36 PM
Someone who knows there stuff, when do you honestly think Aderans will bring something to the market, and do you think their Phase 3 results will be good?

Maradona
08-11-2012, 08:22 PM
5 years.

john2399
08-11-2012, 08:31 PM
Someone who knows there stuff, when do you honestly think Aderans will bring something to the market, and do you think their Phase 3 results will be good?

Prob 2 years.

JRQ
08-11-2012, 10:20 PM
I believe their major setbacks/delays were in the first half of their elongated Phase II trials, meaning the remainder should roll out as scheduled. As I've said before, each trial lasts 52 weeks with the current trial ending in February and Phase III starting somewhere right along that time.

In reference to first half of your question, with Aderans being by far the largest company in hair loss trials (monetarily), having just bought Hair Club to add to their portfolio that includes Bosley, I would say they are very well prepared for a marketable product. Phase II enrolled 350 total participants, much higher than the 20-40 you see from other companies. While it's not the best solution, it's a really good stepping stone.

Dan26
08-11-2012, 11:11 PM
It is basically just unlimited donor supply right? If I knew for sure this was coming in the next 3-5 years, I'd be way less reluctant to get a HT now. I'd probably want a HT before it came out anyway from a reliable doctor I could trust with my hairline.

Also, when this stuff is out, you think all HT surgeons are going to incorporate it into their practice? Does it really change the procedure that much a part from the cloning process?

I figure this would make HT cheaper (they could be snakes though and charge more), so as long as money aint a problem, it is very close to a cure, everyone would be a candidate for a HT right?

Alf
08-12-2012, 07:11 AM
Are they going to make the hair grow on one spot on the head and transplant it to another?

yeahyeahyeah
08-12-2012, 07:14 AM
It is basically just unlimited donor supply right? If I knew for sure this was coming in the next 3-5 years, I'd be way less reluctant to get a HT now. I'd probably want a HT before it came out anyway from a reliable doctor I could trust with my hairline.

Also, when this stuff is out, you think all HT surgeons are going to incorporate it into their practice? Does it really change the procedure that much a part from the cloning process?

I figure this would make HT cheaper (they could be snakes though and charge more), so as long as money aint a problem, it is very close to a cure, everyone would be a candidate for a HT right?

Same.

10 characters.

mlao
08-12-2012, 08:49 AM
Initially Aderans may only offer it thru their own companies. But like everything on this forum it's only speculation.

yeahyeahyeah
08-12-2012, 08:52 AM
Initially Aderans may only offer it thru their own companies. But like everything on this forum it's only speculation.

How can bosley **** up a HT with unlimited donor hair?

greatjob!
08-12-2012, 09:30 AM
Everyone is talking about this like Aderans is transplanting ready-made follicles onto the scalp. I thought that this was an injectable similar to Replicel just using different cell types. They take a donor plug, multiply and cultivate the cells and then re-inject them into the recipient area. I'm I wrong?

gmonasco
08-12-2012, 09:47 AM
I thought that this was an injectable similar to Replicel just using different cell types. They take a donor plug, multiply and cultivate the cells and then re-inject them into the recipient area. I'm I wrong?

No, you're right:

http://www.aderansresearch.com/ari_science.html


A small piece of tissue is removed from the neckline. Cells are cultivated in controlled conditions where they are encouraged to multiply by the addition of proprietary growth media. When enough new cells are formed, they are returned to the scalp, where they are injected and elicit new hair growth and thickness, ultimately producing more hair than the client had before.

NeedHairASAP
08-12-2012, 09:47 AM
Everyone is talking about this like Aderans is transplanting ready-made follicles onto the scalp. I thought that this was an injectable similar to Replicel just using different cell types. They take a donor plug, multiply and cultivate the cells and then re-inject them into the recipient area. I'm I wrong?

I think you need tissue engineering or something to create them outside and then transplant on humans.

greatjob!
08-12-2012, 10:34 AM
Well I was a little uneasy about Aderans because of their relationship with Bosley and Hair Club, but If this procedure doesn't involve any artistry and is simply injecting cells, assuming they get everything worked out in trails, then I think this is great news. Even if any of the other companies develop a solution they are still going to have to deal with the logistics of distributing it, whereas Aderans already has the infrastructure in place. Never thought my hopes for a treatment would involve Bosley and Hair Club, lol.

the_dude78
08-12-2012, 10:39 AM
No, you're right:

http://www.aderansresearch.com/ari_science.html

Yeah, it's not a hair transplant in the traditional sense, thank god :)

Smiley
08-12-2012, 02:48 PM
Well I was a little uneasy about Aderans because of their relationship with Bosley and Hair Club, but If this procedure doesn't involve any artistry and is simply injecting cells, assuming they get everything worked out in trails, then I think this is great news. Even if any of the other companies develop a solution they are still going to have to deal with the logistics of distributing it, whereas Aderans already has the infrastructure in place. Never thought my hopes for a treatment would involve Bosley and Hair Club, lol.
LOL..I hear ya!..I wouldn't care if my corner convenience store was offering it, as long as I get my hair back.

Go Bosley and Hair Club!! cant believe I just said that....

BoSox
08-12-2012, 04:17 PM
5 years.

Unlikely, 3 yrs tops.

Joker
08-12-2012, 05:44 PM
To the best of my knowledge, the most recent Aderans press release states that the company only completed the enrollment of a key Phase 2 protocol, not Phase 2 in its entirety. The press release also states that Aderans is preparing to test additional variants coming down the pipeline. Perhaps these new screening locations are just more Phase 2 protocols/additional variants?

Don't get me wrong, Phase 3 would be a dream come true... but I think I've been in this game long enough to learn that we should NEVER expect the best case-scenario.

Really hoping JRQ can get us some more information tomorrow, but I'm afraid it's just going to be another extension of the deadline or a miscommunication on the website. Let's hope not!!!

ccmethinning
08-12-2012, 07:05 PM
Unlikely, 3 yrs tops.

lmao! We would be VERY lucky to see anything this decade, let alone 3 years.

JRQ
08-12-2012, 09:19 PM
To the best of my knowledge, the most recent Aderans press release states that the company only completed the enrollment of a key Phase 2 protocol, not Phase 2 in its entirety. The press release also states that Aderans is preparing to test additional variants coming down the pipeline. Perhaps these new screening locations are just more Phase 2 protocols/additional variants?

Don't get me wrong, Phase 3 would be a dream come true... but I think I've been in this game long enough to learn that we should NEVER expect the best case-scenario.

Really hoping JRQ can get us some more information tomorrow, but I'm afraid it's just going to be another extension of the deadline or a miscommunication on the website. Let's hope not!!!


I will 100% be contacting their Atlanta HQ tomorrow and find out. You are right, we should never hope for best-case. I remember how excited I was when Phase 2 was supposed to end, then they extended it, and extended it lol. However, I sincerely do believe this is their final round of Phase 2. Throughout this process, they have always kept their clinical trials site open for enrollment, however at the end of January, the officially closed it for Phase 2. I'm pretty sure this is the final run for P2....but, I'll find out tomorrow if they find me worthy of this info lol.

hellouser
08-12-2012, 11:21 PM
lmao! We would be VERY lucky to see anything this decade, let alone 3 years.

You can't say that as fact though. None of us really know how soon or how late a cure/solution for hair loss will come. For all we know, Replicel may improve on their Phase I trials and surprise us all with a significant improvement despite their poor results from their findings. With the number of studies/work being done on fighting hair loss, I don't see any reason why anyone couldnt be optimistic about the future.

Even if future treatments are several or many more years away, there are still solutions on keeping the hair we have/improving it (RU, FIN, Gho, etc).

Alf
08-13-2012, 05:00 AM
Even if future treatments are several or many more years away, there are still solutions on keeping the hair we have/improving it (RU, FIN, Gho, etc).

And Histogen should be safe to hope for. They have released photographs and we know it works to some degree on humans. As long as it doesn't have dangerous side effects it will come to the market.

I have already planned my vacation to singapore.

yeahyeahyeah
08-13-2012, 05:46 AM
You can't say that as fact though. None of us really know how soon or how late a cure/solution for hair loss will come. For all we know, Replicel may improve on their Phase I trials and surprise us all with a significant improvement despite their poor results from their findings. With the number of studies/work being done on fighting hair loss, I don't see any reason why anyone couldnt be optimistic about the future.

Even if future treatments are several or many more years away, there are still solutions on keeping the hair we have/improving it (RU, FIN, Gho, etc).

Ignore the pessimistic trolls.

UK_
08-13-2012, 11:54 AM
The screening at Radiant research centres cant be for Phase 3 - they have to submit their completed Phase 2 data first for analysis and THEN apply for a Phase 3.

gmonasco
08-13-2012, 12:04 PM
The screening at Radiant research centres cant be for Phase 3 - they have to submit their completed Phase 2 data first for analysis and THEN apply for a Phase 3.

I don't think there's any regulation that prohibits them from screening potential trial subjects in anticipation of the next phase of clinical trials.

UK_
08-13-2012, 12:06 PM
I don't think there's any regulation that prohibits them from screening potential trial subjects in anticipation of the next phase of clinical trials.

I really hope that's the case, it would be so good to see a solid sign of Aderans entering Phase 3.

JRQ
08-13-2012, 12:23 PM
Well, here's the scoop from what I personally found out from a test site-
It seems that it is still for Phase 2. They now want men with balding in the crown that still have a little amount of hair left. So if you qualify, call them up and check it out. You could get a free HT! Lol.

I'm pretty disappointed, but still happy to see that they're moving at a relatively fast pace. I apologize for anyone's hopes that I have now dashed. This has definitely made me decide to get a hair transplant until the surgery comes out. I really didn't want to, but oh well....more $$ down the drain lol.

producto
08-13-2012, 02:19 PM
Just called about this study.

You can't qualify if you've used minoxodil within the past 6 months.

Counts me out.

UK_
08-13-2012, 03:07 PM
Well, here's the scoop from what I personally found out from a test site-
It seems that it is still for Phase 2. They now want men with balding in the crown that still have a little amount of hair left. So if you qualify, call them up and check it out. You could get a free HT! Lol.

I'm pretty disappointed, but still happy to see that they're moving at a relatively fast pace. I apologize for anyone's hopes that I have now dashed. This has definitely made me decide to get a hair transplant until the surgery comes out. I really didn't want to, but oh well....more $$ down the drain lol.

So if they're testing this on individuals with significantly small amounts of hair (i.e. Norwood 6.5/7), am I to assume their technique has worked well on previous norwoods?

Joker
08-13-2012, 03:16 PM
UK, I unfortunately read this the opposite way. They tried it on NW6/7 without much success, and now they want to see if maybe it can still help NW3/4...

It's ok JRQ, I appreciate all your efforts to get us info. Did they give a timeline when this Phase 2 will end? I feel like now we're going to blow WAY past their deadline of finishing Phase 2 in 2012... :/

Joker
08-13-2012, 03:25 PM
Didn't someone in an earlier thread mention that Spencer was going to interview Aderans? Did that fall through? Getting a little scared here since they are still starting new protocols 4 years into P2...

JRQ
08-13-2012, 04:03 PM
UK, I unfortunately read this the opposite way. They tried it on NW6/7 without much success, and now they want to see if maybe it can still help NW3/4...

It's ok JRQ, I appreciate all your efforts to get us info. Did they give a timeline when this Phase 2 will end? I feel like now we're going to blow WAY past their deadline of finishing Phase 2 in 2012... :/

Thanks Joker, I appreciate it. I know specifically (because I didn't qualify) that the protocol prior to this (the one still currently being tested) they called for completely bald in the crown area. So I truly don't understand the purpose of the current protocol they're screening for. They also wanted a full hair line in the front.....so who knows what they're up to at this point. I guess they know they have us by the balls and can fool around with time. Sigh.....

gmonasco
08-13-2012, 07:04 PM
I guess they know they have us by the balls and can fool around with time. Sigh.....

Huh? In what way could Aderans possibly benefit from delaying getting a hair loss treatment to market? There's no upside, and they'd be risking letting some other company beat them to the punch.

JRQ
08-13-2012, 07:07 PM
Huh? In what way could Aderans possibly benefit from delaying getting a hair loss treatment to market? There's no upside, and they'd be risking letting some other company beat them to the punch.

More of a mark of frustration than anything else. I try to stay upbeat/positive, but today bummed me out.

NeedHairASAP
08-13-2012, 07:43 PM
Huh? In what way could Aderans possibly benefit from delaying getting a hair loss treatment to market? There's no upside, and they'd be risking letting some other company beat them to the punch.

si, el es todos en los flujos de efictivo y si mantener la technologia, entonces no se darlos un aumento en su flujos de efectivo....asi, lo haran traen la technologia tan pronto come sea possible

Kiwi
08-14-2012, 02:25 AM
Thanks Joker, I appreciate it. I know specifically (because I didn't qualify) that the protocol prior to this (the one still currently being tested) they called for completely bald in the crown area. So I truly don't understand the purpose of the current protocol they're screening for. They also wanted a full hair line in the front.....so who knows what they're up to at this point. I guess they know they have us by the balls and can fool around with time. Sigh.....

None of us have a clue why. I take it as a positive.

My thoughts are that they might be trying people that have had HTs in the front hence the hairline.

UK_
08-14-2012, 06:27 AM
UK, I unfortunately read this the opposite way. They tried it on NW6/7 without much success, and now they want to see if maybe it can still help NW3/4...:/

I dont see how that would work - according to the information provided by JRQ, they're still screening for the higher Norwoods at the moment, so how would you know if it worked or not?

Joker
08-14-2012, 01:17 PM
I thought that JRQ said they went from screening completely bald guys to screening guys who still had hair (albeit thin hair) on their crown. That seemed to me like they were giving up on helping completely bald people and moving towards thinning hair. Did I misunderstand?

Also, we should keep in mind that different locations might be screening for different things. I remember a trialist on another forum said he was using Rogaine in conjunction with the trial, and we later learned that only 1 cohort used Rogaine.

Either way, the speculation is endless and extremely frustrating. I was so happy when Aderans mentioned (on three different press releases since 2011) that Phase 2 would end in 2012. Now I can't help but be disappointed.

I really hope this isn't a harbinger of bad things to come. :/

Alf
08-14-2012, 03:49 PM
OK, how does this thing work, do they have to finish the new phase 2 before they can start the phase 3 or is it enough that the old phase 2 finishes and then run phase 3 parallel to the new phase 2.

baldybald
08-14-2012, 06:11 PM
for sure we need to make more phone calls, or mr spencer please an interveiw with aderans!!

Person
08-14-2012, 06:19 PM
Aderans will not realistically be available to the public until mid 2017. So why the does anyone even care?

The only real hope is Histogen (2016 in Asia) or Allergan's Bimatoprost for scalp (2015).

Joker
08-14-2012, 08:08 PM
I think Alf zeroed in on the most important question.

hellouser
08-14-2012, 08:12 PM
Aderans will not realistically be available to the public until mid 2017. So why the does anyone even care?

Is 2017 your prediction or do you know this as fact?

Follicle Death Row
08-14-2012, 08:40 PM
Aderans will not realistically be available to the public until mid 2017. So why the does anyone even care?

The only real hope is Histogen (2016 in Asia) or Allergan's Bimatoprost for scalp (2015).

I'm inclined to believe these timelines. I feel the same. Seem more realistic.

Dazza
08-15-2012, 02:14 AM
Is 2017 your prediction or do you know this as fact?

All Speculation, no one has any inside information on when/if these products will come to market. He's just making a prediction.

hellouser
08-15-2012, 02:31 AM
All Speculation, no one has any inside information on when/if these products will come to market. He's just making a prediction.

I think the forum rules need to be modified slightly. Comments like that need to be removed/not allowed. Negativity and false claims add nothing to any of the conversations and ultimately degrade the quality of the forum discussions.

Worse yet, its a great disservice to everyone reading as the comments are *very* misleading. If anyone is going to say anything like that, they should CLEARLY state that it is their own speculation and nothing more.

Dazza
08-15-2012, 02:47 AM
I think the forum rules need to be modified slightly. Comments like that need to be removed/not allowed. Negativity and false claims add nothing to any of the conversations and ultimately degrade the quality of the forum discussions.

Worse yet, its a great disservice to everyone reading as the comments are *very* misleading. If anyone is going to say anything like that, they should CLEARLY state that it is their own speculation and nothing more.

Just take everything you read online/here with a pinch of salt. If someone states a date all you can do really is ask for a source. Check with the official websites, they will be the first to post actual dates/details.

BoSox
08-15-2012, 04:00 AM
I've said it before, don't bother with release dates.

Let's work towards the point where we are 100% sure this treatment will give unlimited donor hair.. then we can sit and talk about release dates.

Finding out if these treatments work will come sooner rather than later.

Alf
08-15-2012, 04:18 AM
Let's work towards the point where we are 100% sure this treatment will give unlimited donor hair.. then we can sit and talk about release dates.



Hoping they will release it before that. Any hair growth is welcome

Person
08-15-2012, 08:37 AM
Aderans will not realistically be available to the public until mid 2017. So why the does anyone even care?

The only real hope is Histogen (2016 in Asia) or Allergan's Bimatoprost for scalp (2015).

This is just my own opinion based on my research on these companies. I think it is the most realistic. However, I hope these come out sooner just like everyone else does.

yeahyeahyeah
08-15-2012, 08:50 AM
This is just my own opinion based on my research on these companies. I think it is the most realistic. However, I hope these come out sooner just like everyone else does.

Well as you dont know please stay quiet.

You just bring the mood of the whole forum down unnecessarily with timelines like this.

Why cant you people just wait until the end of the year?

534623
08-15-2012, 09:13 AM
Why cant you people just wait until the end of the year?
with timelines like this you just bring the mood of the whole forum down unnecessarily.

please stay quiet.

yeahyeahyeah
08-15-2012, 09:52 AM
with timelines like this you just bring the mood of the whole forum down unnecessarily.

please stay quiet.

You just quoted what I said?

Oh and the idiot who said 2017 - that is 5 years away. It will take 5 years to do phase 3?