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Jcm800
06-22-2011, 09:39 PM
Immediately stop all attempts at flatulence ó ;).


^^^^^lol :)

auglen
06-23-2011, 12:16 AM
Do any of you know how long it takes or is it possible at all to get rid of nocturnal emissions? I was looking for answers on-line but to no avail. After over 6 months of being abstinent I still get those, the frequency is definitely less and seems to be decreasing all the time, but it's definitely still there and I do not think I managed more than a month without one. Although it looks like I may finally go past that mark on my current interval.

Personally I think it's completely controlled by our minds, I don't think that it's an inherent need. Why? Well whenever I get a nocturnal emission I can remember dreaming of something of somewhat sexual nature. When I first went cold turkey I could get an outright sexual dream. Now as I virtually do not have sexual thoughts those things don't show up in my dreams and nocturnal emissions are way down. But not I sometimes dream of something loosely related to sexuality, like pissing (yea, haha) and I would get a slight emission after that.

It has never happened to me that I have just waked up to be welcomed by an emission, it always goes along with a dream (and that's easy to tell as normally 99% of nights are dreamless for me) and I always wake up right after the emission (thus few times I could even get it under control before having a mess :---) ).
The strength of the emission is lower too. First it was a full blown ejaculation, now it's more of a watery leakage.

Of course I have no idea which causes which. Is it that whenever I get a sexual thought in my dream I start building up those fluids or whenever the fluids build up my mind starts having those dreams.

I wish somebody did a long terms study on total sexual abstinence, too bad it's so hard to conduct.



Back to my hair:
Over time I'm getting more and more confident that the hairs I was puzzled about are actual regrowth and not miniaturization, they keep getting longer (a small subset of those is, I think long enough to dismiss miniaturization) and it looks like there are no significant amounts of new short hair showing up.
My "normal hair" is pretty long so that is why I'm easily able to distinguish between "normal hairs" and ones that are "suspicious", so even if those "suspicious" hairs are over 5-6 inches they are shorter than the rest.
Still I'm not 100% positive and I will reiterate that what I have is a very slight frontal recession that can many people could shrug off as hairline maturing. So nowhere do I have a big patch of miniaturized hair.
I only BELIEVE, that I might be very slowly regaining the very small amount of hair that I have lost.

Soon I will get a haircut so I will get my length back to where I was those 6-7 months back when started, so I'll perhaps be better able to tell if there is a significant difference or not.

ti20
06-23-2011, 03:42 AM
I made a post about this on another forum 2 years ago and was attacked for it

It's a fact that ejaculation will accelerate your male pattern baldness. In my case it triggered it. I never masturbated in my teens. I began to loose hair from stress (but the type that grows back) so I began to masturbate twice a day for two weeks thinking it would help. It did the exact opposite! It triggered a receding hairline and thinning (instead of simply falling and regrowing). To this day, if I ejaculate I notice the hairloss the next morning, if not minutes later! I have to get my health under control (regular sleep and exercise) and I think I'll have a bigger buffer.. where I won't have hairloss unless I over do it with sex.

The people who deny ejaculation affects male pattern baldness and deny that masturbation is not healthy are full of shit. It is not the only factor, but it is one of the major ones.

UK_
06-23-2011, 05:50 AM
Fair enough guys, personally I dont believe your contention b/c I hardly jack off - probably once a month if that, it's mostly sex but again not as often as i'd like :D

I used to jack off when I was 17 - 18 but stopped because it made me feel weak and fatigued.

I wouldn't wanna take anything that would rupture my sex drive, (propecia et al) - even if I went bald I would be happy knowing I had a healthy, high sex drive, I would probably shave my head and start working out more instead of clinging on to a NW3 comb-over with the testosterone levels of a 12 year old girl.

RichardDawkins
06-23-2011, 06:36 AM
yes and another july registered one time poster with another bs ejaculation story.

hey pal news for you, you lose hair every day so its highly plausible that any time you get through your hair, you will shed some..... daaaaaaaaaahhhhhh

and just a few minutes after wanking off :) wow mpb is really kicking in i presume.

gosh this is getting ridiculous, please admin delete this thread and all the one time fake poster here.

oh and please dekete all trx2 threads as well, except those who show how scam this is

HairTalk
06-23-2011, 09:45 AM
I made a post about this on another forum 2 years ago and was attacked for it

It's a fact that ejaculation will accelerate your male pattern baldness. In my case it triggered it. I never masturbated in my teens. I began to loose hair from stress (but the type that grows back) so I began to masturbate twice a day for two weeks thinking it would help. It did the exact opposite! It triggered a receding hairline and thinning (instead of simply falling and regrowing). To this day, if I ejaculate I notice the hairloss the next morning, if not minutes later! I have to get my health under control (regular sleep and exercise) and I think I'll have a bigger buffer.. where I won't have hairloss unless I over do it with sex.

The people who deny ejaculation affects male pattern baldness and deny that masturbation is not healthy are full of shit. It is not the only factor, but it is one of the major ones.

Why is it everyone in support of this thread seems to have joined the forum in May or June of 2011?

UK Boy
06-23-2011, 09:59 AM
I totally agree with Richard.Dawkins on this.

I've only looked at this thread a few times cos I can't be bothered usually to get involved in the bickering. However I'm not 100% sold on this whole idea of stop ejaculating and you'll get your hair back. I know of course that DHT causes hair loss and I can definately believe that when you ejaculate you get a surge of Testosterone and therefore DHT but I believe the guy putting this forward said the increase in testosterone went back down in less than 10 mins right? Well I think that unless you were ejaculating consantly and keeping the higher levels of Testosterone on-going then it's not going to be enough to make a major change to hair loss.

Also I don't know if this was addressed but if ejaculation was really affecting hair loss big time then wouldn't more guys who suffer from impotence see their hair starting to grow back cos they can't get an erection and therefore can't ejaculate. I might be off the mark with that and like I said it mighta been addressed.

I also really can't believe that researcher's would have just 'over looked' this, as the guy who started the thread said it's something that appears obvious so doesn't that indicate to him that obviously scientific researchers have considered it and then seen that it's not the case and that's why they've never come out with the theories like him.

The thing that's caused me to finally write something is because now the guys saying he's gonna come back in a year and sell his solution and also that if people want to know it they should contact him privately. See this just totally makes him look like a scam artist and discredits all he's bee saying about wanting to help and so forth.

Also Ti20 made a ridiculous statement saying he agress because after he ejactulates his hair falls out within minutues! this is not how things with hair work! If ejaculating really did impact on your hair it would need to force the hair into the resting period and then after a period of time the hair would fall out, it would not happen instantly! So I see Ti20's whole post as someone just stupidly scare mongering.

It just depresses me that people have to come on here and spread unproven ideas and worry people who are already worrying. I'm fed up about my hair loss enough as it is without having to think 'oh great so now I can't even have sex if I wanna without the worry that it's gonna make things worse!'

Also I posted a thread about a clinical study being done on Nitric Oxide gel as a treatment for hair loss - something that is in proper human clinical trials now, not a random person's theory but yet it's been unanswered in preference of people wasting more time of this blasted thread! I don't get it! Why are people giving this any feed back anymore!

Rant over!

PatientlyWaiting
06-23-2011, 10:34 AM
I totally agree with Richard.Dawkins on this.

I've only looked at this thread a few times cos I can't be bothered usually to get involved in the bickering. However I'm not 100% sold on this whole idea of stop ejaculating and you'll get your hair back. I know of course that DHT causes hair loss and I can definately believe that when you ejaculate you get a surge of Testosterone and therefore DHT but I believe the guy putting this forward said the increase in testosterone went back down in less than 10 mins right? Well I think that unless you were ejaculating consantly and keeping the higher levels of Testosterone on-going then it's not going to be enough to make a major change to hair loss.

Also I don't know if this was addressed but if ejaculation was really affecting hair loss big time then wouldn't more guys who suffer from impotence see their hair starting to grow back cos they can't get an erection and therefore can't ejaculate. I might be off the mark with that and like I said it mighta been addressed.

I also really can't believe that researcher's would have just 'over looked' this, as the guy who started the thread said it's something that appears obvious so doesn't that indicate to him that obviously scientific researchers have considered it and then seen that it's not the case and that's why they've never come out with the theories like him.

The thing that's caused me to finally write something is because now the guys saying he's gonna come back in a year and sell his solution and also that if people want to know it they should contact him privately. See this just totally makes him look like a scam artist and discredits all he's bee saying about wanting to help and so forth.

Also Ti20 made a ridiculous statement saying he agress because after he ejactulates his hair falls out within minutues! this is not how things with hair work! If ejaculating really did impact on your hair it would need to force the hair into the resting period and then after a period of time the hair would fall out, it would not happen instantly! So I see Ti20's whole post as someone just stupidly scare mongering.

It just depresses me that people have to come on here and spread unproven ideas and worry people who are already worrying. I'm fed up about my hair loss enough as it is without having to think 'oh great so now I can't even have sex if I wanna without the worry that it's gonna make things worse!'

Also I posted a thread about a clinical study being done on Nitric Oxide gel as a treatment for hair loss - something that is in proper human clinical trials now, not a random person's theory but yet it's been unanswered in preference of people wasting more time of this blasted thread! I don't get it! Why are people giving this any feed back anymore!

Rant over!

There are members in this thread, I won't mention any names, that are supposedly completely against this, yet they have more posts than the one's that are interested.

Doesn't make any sense, why post in a thread, keep helping it stay on top, if you want it to be gone? Why provoke more posts by posting more? If you say something, some one's gonna reply to it, surely. Like I just did right now to yours.

So for those who want this thread gone faster, stop posting in it, because you look really weird having more posts in it than I do.

PatientlyWaiting
06-23-2011, 10:42 AM
Interesting.

This new post today in Hair Loss Talk, guy had great results, look at his advices.

"advices
1. don't spend time looking into mirrors
2. play sport
3. no excessive sex or masturbation
5. stop playing with your hair . just touch it only when"



http://www.h airlosstalk.com/interact/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=66636&p=628962#p628962

No space between h and a in hair.

BackwardsBalding
06-23-2011, 10:55 AM
I made a post about this on another forum 2 years ago and was attacked for it

It's a fact that ejaculation will accelerate your male pattern baldness. In my case it triggered it. I never masturbated in my teens. I began to loose hair from stress (but the type that grows back) so I began to masturbate twice a day for two weeks thinking it would help. It did the exact opposite! It triggered a receding hairline and thinning (instead of simply falling and regrowing). To this day, if I ejaculate I notice the hairloss the next morning, if not minutes later! I have to get my health under control (regular sleep and exercise) and I think I'll have a bigger buffer.. where I won't have hairloss unless I over do it with sex.

The people who deny ejaculation affects male pattern baldness and deny that masturbation is not healthy are full of shit. It is not the only factor, but it is one of the major ones.


PLEASE EMAIL ME AT BALDINGBACKWARDS AT HOTMAIL.COM I HAVE SOME EXCITING NEW TO TELL YOU. I actually found your forum from a few years ago and cant believe how indepdentally you came to the same conclusions that I did. Please email me I would love to share what I found with you.

FOR EVERY ONE ELSE. FINE YOUR ALL RIGHT EJACULATION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HAIR LOSS STOP POSTING ON THIS SITE SO THIS THREAD CAN END AND MORE PEOPLE WONT BE CONFUSED.

UK_
06-23-2011, 11:14 AM
PLEASE EMAIL ME AT BALDINGBACKWARDS AT HOTMAIL.COM I HAVE SOME EXCITING NEW TO TELL YOU. I actually found your forum from a few years ago and cant believe how indepdentally you came to the same conclusions that I did. Please email me I would love to share what I found with you.

FOR EVERY ONE ELSE. FINE YOUR ALL RIGHT EJACULATION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HAIR LOSS STOP POSTING ON THIS SITE SO THIS THREAD CAN END AND MORE PEOPLE WONT BE CONFUSED.

Why are you so desperate for people to email you?

Do you need a friend?

Bald26
06-23-2011, 11:29 AM
Just checking out this thread again and it's getting longer... I"ve been trying not to mast3rbate for 3 days now, today is the 4th day. Still shedding, haven't seen a real improvement yet. However, I will keep trying and give update. Btw, I plan to stop mast3rbating and just have s3x 2 times a week... gotta please the gf :D also on rogaine 5%.

UK_
06-23-2011, 11:57 AM
Just checking out this thread again and it's getting longer... I"ve been trying not to mast3rbate for 3 days now, today is the 4th day. Still shedding, haven't seen a real improvement yet. However, I will keep trying and give update. Btw, I plan to stop mast3rbating and just have s3x 2 times a week... gotta please the gf :D also on rogaine 5%.

So when you get to say.... week eight, and you stop shedding, start to see very faint small hairs even growing in.... what will you attribute it to? The masturbation abstinence or the Rogaine?

Jcm800
06-23-2011, 12:56 PM
So when you get to say.... week eight, and you stop shedding, start to see very faint small hairs even growing in.... what will you attribute it to? The masturbation abstinence or the Rogaine?

Precisely - this thread is a load of old wank.

How many bald monks and priests do you see? Loads!

They must be throttling the chicken daily then ;)

Bald26
06-23-2011, 01:12 PM
So when you get to say.... week eight, and you stop shedding, start to see very faint small hairs even growing in.... what will you attribute it to? The masturbation abstinence or the Rogaine?

I've been using Rogaine for 8 months with no growth, it was just slowing down my shedding compared to before I used Rogaine, but still shedding during those 8 months. So if I start seeing hair growth, then it's maybe safe to rule out the Rogaine and give some credit to the abstinence. I plan to stop Rogaine after 9 months anyway. Just want to finish up this last bottle and see if the shedding increases when I stop.

UK_
06-23-2011, 01:44 PM
I plan to stop Rogaine after 9 months anyway. Just want to finish up this last bottle and see if the shedding increases when I stop.

Your belief in this "masturbation" theory is so concrete that you are willing to hypothesise that Rogaine stoppage wouldn't result in further hair loss?

.....well sir.... it's a novel experiment i'll give it that.

Bald26
06-23-2011, 02:29 PM
Your belief in this "masturbation" theory is so concrete that you are willing to hypothesise that Rogaine stoppage wouldn't result in further hair loss?

.....well sir.... it's a novel experiment i'll give it that.

don't put words into my mouth. Did I ever say I stop Rogaine because I believed the masturbation theory? I said I want to stop because I want to see if it increases the shedding, if it does then I know that Rogaine has been keeping my shedding at a lower level. It's the last bottle that I ordered from my 3 month supply. So if Rogaine actually works, I'll order more. If it doesn't, I don't have to waste more money on it. Geeze man... you sound so petty when knit picking at people.

HairyHair
06-23-2011, 04:21 PM
Just checking out this thread again and it's getting longer... I"ve been trying not to mast3rbate for 3 days now, today is the 4th day. Still shedding, haven't seen a real improvement yet. However, I will keep trying and give update. Btw, I plan to stop mast3rbating and just have s3x 2 times a week... gotta please the gf :D also on rogaine 5%.
hahaha man....you don't need to sacrifise everything...tomorrow is an illusion today is all we have :)

UK_
06-23-2011, 07:08 PM
don't put words into my mouth. Did I ever say I stop Rogaine because I believed the masturbation theory? I said I want to stop because I want to see if it increases the shedding, if it does then I know that Rogaine has been keeping my shedding at a lower level. It's the last bottle that I ordered from my 3 month supply. So if Rogaine actually works, I'll order more. If it doesn't, I don't have to waste more money on it. Geeze man... you sound so petty when knit picking at people.

I wasn't putting words into your mouth, let me explain:

In a previous post you stated the following:


it was just slowing down my shedding compared to before I used Rogaine, but still shedding during those 8 months.

So why would you believe stopping Rogaine wouldn't revert you back to the pre-Rogaine [heightened] shedding?

ti20
06-24-2011, 12:15 AM
yes and another july registered one time poster with another bs ejaculation story.

hey pal news for you, you lose hair every day so its highly plausible that any time you get through your hair, you will shed some..... daaaaaaaaaahhhhhh


Hey pal I got news for you, you're full of shit. If you swallow Richard Dawkin's disinformation about us evolving from amoebas, it's no wonder you attack the one person who gave you an honest answer. Ejaculation might not affect YOUR hair, but it affects MY hairline and without a doubt the same is true for millions of other men.

To proclaim that ejaculation has no correlation with hairloss is a nefarious lie. If you're just a useful idiot with diarrhea of the mouth I urge you to keep your uneducated opinions to yourself and avoid spamming topics you know nothing about. Seeing as how even theories can help people pinpoint the cause of their hairloss, I don't appreciate you stonewalling the messenger. If I had known at age 19 what I know now... I would be a much happier and more confident person, instead of looking like a balding idiot in my early 20s.


If masturbating is causing you stress, it will accelerate your hair loss if you are genetically predisposed. For most men, masturbating relieves stress so I suspect that this activity will help more than it will hurt you.

Isn't that exactly what I said in the above post? By excessively masturbating you cause your body to become indirectly stressed from pushing it to perform so often..
^This is a response to a post I made on another hairloss forum a few years ago. Something to consider perhaps..

Mojo Risin
06-24-2011, 12:22 AM
This is the most ridiculous shit I have ever read.
MPB is ****ing genetic ... ''wanking it'' is not going to prevent you from going bald.

Bald26
06-24-2011, 02:17 PM
I wasn't putting words into your mouth, let me explain:

In a previous post you stated the following:



So why would you believe stopping Rogaine wouldn't revert you back to the pre-Rogaine [heightened] shedding?

I don't believe in anything. I'm just trying out all the options I have. Now, go mind your own business.

Kamui85
06-24-2011, 09:10 PM
I don't believe in anything. I'm just trying out all the options I have. Now, go mind your own business.

im sorry but a forum is for discussion, if you dont want somebody minding youre buissnes then dont post them...

UK_
06-25-2011, 12:27 PM
I don't believe in anything. I'm just trying out all the options I have. Now, go mind your own business.

LOL@"Mind my own business..."

....This is YOUR THREAD!!! LOL

Jcm800
06-25-2011, 01:40 PM
is it that you're all humoring this guy, or that you're genuinely piqued by this almost-funnyĖbut-nowĖplayed-out bullshit? At best, this is someone having a good laugh at how much attention his joke's been able to get; at worst, he's a mental patient out of meds., peering through a scope from the top of a bell-tower, someplace.

^^^^^ lmao :d

top
06-27-2011, 02:41 AM
Hi guys,

First with the introduction and disclaimer. I'm new here, trying to come to grips with my own recent hair loss, figure out why I'm getting it, and ways to slow/stop/reverse the progression. I've read some of this thread (about the first 4 pages), I'm not a sock puppet or troll. Just wanted to offer my non-scientific thoughts, and theories. If you disagree, or think I'm talking out of my ***, then fine, just respect my freedom of an opinion...

Okay, firstly I think many people in this thread were a little too hostile to the OP, he had some good arguments, theories, but maybe went about it the wrong way referring to his thread as a "cure". It's more a research experiment/theory.

Ok so the whole Horny Thoughts/Sex/Masturbation => Increases Testosterone. More Testosterone => More DHT. More DHT => More Hair loss. I tend to agree with this rationale. I assume people here agree with different sections of the equation.

I'm going to break this down in separate posts, so at least I'll win some support without making a faux-pas jeopardising the entire post...

Testosterone production

The first part of the equation. NOTE: I'm not tying testosterone with hairloss, this is just ways to increase production of testosterone. Which may turn out to be entirely unrelated to hairloss, but still useful, e.g. to improve your sex life, or sports etc. or to curb your sex addiction, increase productivity without distractions.

1. You need testes. (Women don't have them, and neither to Eunuchs/Castrated Men). They have very low rates of testosterone.

2. As a male, the older you get, the more testosterone you produce (until peaking around 30-40). Here's a chart or two showing testosterone levels:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_IA5nokOFh84/R2wl7PSgg6I/AAAAAAAAAxI/5b7_3TYlco0/s400/testosterone+fig.gifhttp://spermvolume.net/wp-content/blogs.dir/50/files/2010/12/20101209043432_testosterone_declines__w_age.gif

3. A 'Western Diet' with the high protein and lots of fat etc. will do wonders for your testosterone. There are numerous comparisons on the internet between the testosterone levels and diet of people living in North America, Europe, Japan in contrast to the rest of Asia, Africa and other developing countries. http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/2002/09.19/01-testosterone.html

4. Horniness increases testosterone. Studies show that just watching porn for 15 minutes will increase male testosterone by 100%, and females by 80%. Repeated Ejaculation (via masturbation or by sex) also increases testosterone. It's similar to any other training. If you train your muscles, they'll get stronger, you train your mind, it'll get stronger. You train your testes and they'll get stronger (produce more testosterone to meet the demand). This is likely how sex addiction occurs. http://www.bodybuildingweb.net/blog/effect-of-ejaculation-sex-on-bodybuilding-gains/

5. Weight training. http://www.weighttraining.com/faq/does-exercise-and-weight-training-raise-testosterone-levels

top
06-27-2011, 03:09 AM
DHT and Hair loss

This is the last part of the equation. Hopefully others can help shed more light.

From my observations of MPB. I always find it rather strange how the hair gradually recedes (frontal), or the bald spot gradually expands (vertex - crown). How do the hair follicles know when to miniaturise in order? If it's just a case of having a critical amount of DHT on the scalp, then all the DHT-sensitive hair follicles would all miniaturise at the same time. Then within a few months one would go from a full set of hair, to the almighty Norwood 7. This does not happen.
http://www.worldhairresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/norwood_scale.jpg

I propose that the hair follicles on your scalp have different DHT thresholds. Those at the frontal temples have the lowest threshold. They don't need much DHT to start miniaturising. Whereas those further back have higher thresholds. Everyone (male and female) have different DHT threshold patterns. Some M shaped, some vertex shaped, some both, and some straight down the middle (females). This is determined by genetics. Those of us who have inherited MPB genes have these thresholds lower than those without (the fact there are multiple genes involved, suggests they could be for different patterns).

For most males their level of DHT follows the age-related testosterone graph:
http://spermvolume.net/wp-content/blogs.dir/50/files/2010/12/20101209043432_testosterone_declines__w_age.gif

As the level of DHT rises more hair falls victim to it. So for most males that have DHT sensitive hair. They'll see a gradual loss of hair following the typical patterns. However, if they make drastic changes to their lifestyle, and essentially raise their DHT (via raising testosterone), they'll notice a marked jump up the Norwood scale.

DHT blockers/Testosterone reducers like Propecia. Do a number of things: multivitamins/nutrients, reduce testosterone->DHT conversion. But mostly they reduce your testosterone level (which is why so many people have sexual side effects). This reduction in testosterone level, even by say 20% will put you back about 5 years (depending on how old you are - see graph above). Which will result in a halt in your hair loss (I don't think you'll gain much hair, it'll only halt the progression).

But if your testosterone is still rising as you're ageing (you still haven't peaked). Eventually the 20% reduction that the drug was helping you with is just not enough to stop your overall rise in testosterone production. And then you start experiencing hair loss again.

top
06-27-2011, 03:44 AM
Case examples:

Teenager experiences MPB (around age 16-19). Unfortunately for him, he is one of the few where MPB is strong, the hair follicles are very sensitive to DHT. So it only takes low levels of testosterone to take the hair out. This is assuming he is not sexually active, doesn't masturbate (Virtually *ALL* males masturbate, and around *HALF* of females masturbate. Despite the popular notion that only half of males masturbate, and very few females masturbate. It's one of the biggest myths.), and doesn't get horny.

Guy in his 20's experiences MPB. Takes a drug like Propecia. It works, along with the common sexual side effects. But after a few years, the effects 'wear off'. This is because your body is genetically designed to produce more testosterone until you peak around 30-40. Propecia is just a stop gap.

Another guy in his 20's, experiences the same thing. Takes the same drug. It doesn't work, he doesn't even have the sexual side effects. This is because despite taking the drug to lower his testosterone. It's not enough as he is either a) Having more sex/looking at more porn to increase his testosterone to combat the loss (you can have a low sex drive, but can force it to rise just by subjecting yourself to horny thoughts etc.), b) He is in the gym pumping iron or c) He is eating a very bad diet, causing higher testosterone and DHT (the testosterone Losses from Propecia, are not enough to offset the testosterone Gains).

Woman gives birth. And loses hair. This affects more than half of women. This is a very high rate. I don't know too much about this. But I'd speculate that if it's from DHT, and if Propecia works. Then it's a similar thing. Showing that lots of females also have DHT sensitive hair. Further, their threshold may actually be much lower than in males. Since they usually have very little testosterone in contrast. This kind of hair loss is for women is always only temporary.

The problem with hair loss is that it's a multi variable equation. No one thing can be said to affect it. Everyone is different. A pornstar e.g. Peter North may be having sex every day and have a full set of hair. Lucky for him his hair genetically has a high DHT threshold. Whereas a 16 year old who has been a very good boy, may be losing his hair. Doesn't matter how "good" you are, your testosterone will rise, it's genetics, and if you're unfortunate to have hair which is very sensitive to DHT, then you're going to lose it. And looking at the chart, your testosterone is likely to double at it's peak, you're going to lose a lot of hair! (Patrick Stewart starting losing hair at 19)

No single one thing, whether life style, dietary, or drug will halt MPB.

If you're in your 30's and experience MPB. I think you'll be one of the lucky ones, as your testosterone will be near the peak, and will be on it's way back down. (Unless you have made a major lifestyle change to raise your testosterone to abnormally high levels).

UK_
06-27-2011, 03:53 AM
The bullshit just never ends.

top
06-27-2011, 04:03 AM
No it doesn't - Propecia blocks the CONVERSION of testosterone to DHT through the mechanism of targeting 5AR.


Propecia does a number of things (Many of which I think the drug company won't tell you). I doubt conversion of testosterone to DHT (via targeting 5 Alpha Reductese) is the *only* thing it does. Anyway even if it doesn't lower testosterone. Lowering the rate of Testosterone converted to DHT is good enough for my argument.

Testosterone * 5AR conversion factor = DHT.

(Lower your testosterone, or lower 5AR conversion factor, and DHT will be Lower.)



You also state that "if your testosterone is rising as you age" - sorry but who on earth has a testosterone that actually RISES as you age? That's sort of like someone who comes out of the womb as an old man and dies 70 years later as a baby.

Actually it does, and then it peaks (around age 30-40). Most MPB hair loss sufferers are younger than this age, so their testosterone is still on the rise. Which is why they're experiencing MPB. Take a look at these diagrams:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_IA5nokOFh84/R2wl7PSgg6I/AAAAAAAAAxI/5b7_3TYlco0/s400/testosterone+fig.gif
http://spermvolume.net/wp-content/blogs.dir/50/files/2010/12/20101209043432_testosterone_declines__w_age.gif

Show me evidence to prove otherwise.

top
06-27-2011, 04:15 AM
The bullshit just never ends.

Highlight the bullshit. Actually better yet show me which parts of my posts you agree with. I'm still formulating my ideas. I only posted this to get others opinions to refine my theory. So please do comment.

I'm not a troll, never been to these sites before, not affiliated with any of the other posters in this thread. Just coming here with my thoughts and opinions. I was going to post something along these lines sooner or later. But when reading the OP, I agree with parts of what he said, and I felt that many of the rebuttals were very weak (e.g. pornstars not going bald, 16 year old who doesn't masturbate/have sex going bald).

To be honest, nothing of what I'm saying is bullshit. It's all just common sense. MPB is caused by DHT which is caused by Testosterone conversion via 5AR. There are many ways to alter ones testosterone. While many hair loss drugs tamper with the production of DHT to slow balding, whether it's by lowering testosterone or by reducing Testosterone=>DHT conversion rates it implies the same thing:MPB is caused by Testosterone. So when you say bullshit, I have to ask WHICH PART?

RichardDawkins
06-27-2011, 04:21 AM
Hey top ONE Word has shown that you are one of their multi accounts. Your multiple accounts made one mistake but i wont tell you and yes you are talking bullshit

UK_
06-27-2011, 04:22 AM
Propecia does a number of things (Many of which I think the drug company won't tell you). I doubt conversion of testosterone to DHT (via targeting 5 Alpha Reductese) is the *only* thing it does. Anyway even if it doesn't lower testosterone. Lowering the rate of Testosterone converted to DHT is good enough for my argument.

Testosterone * 5AR conversion factor = DHT.

(Lower your testosterone, or lower 5AR conversion factor, and DHT will be Lower.)

Well no, you described Propecia as a "testosterone reducer" - you also stated: "but mostly they will reduce your testosterone level", question: if Propecia does "a number of things" (with blocking 5AR conversion as its primary mechanism) - how can it "mostly reduce testosterone"? Unless you actually believe it's primary mechanism is to reduce testosterone, your above quote suggests not, but your previous comments suggests the opposite - you EVEN made the ridiculous claim that Propecia/DHT blockers would reduce testosterone by up to 20 percent, which would mean someone at the age of 25 taking propecia would end up with the testosterone levels of a 55-60 year old.

UK_
06-27-2011, 04:29 AM
Highlight the bullshit.

It's all bullshit, and your attempts at concealing the fact that you are the OP are laughable.

top
06-27-2011, 04:31 AM
Hey top ONE Word has shown that you are one of their multi accounts. Your multiple accounts made one mistake but i wont tell you and yes you are talking bullshit

Incorrect. You can ask the admin to do an IP trace. I don't know where they (whoever they are) are from. But I'm from London, UK. age 29, a computer games programmer of caribbean background. There you go. So now you are talking bullshit. I've highlighted your bullshit. Now highlight mine.

@UK: I'll level with you. Honestly, I'll hold my hands up, and tell you I don't know what Propecia does or doesn't do. It's speculation. Like most packaged drugs. In the UK we have Anadin, a painkiller, which is like a paracetomol, but they put caffeine in it, and a few other things. I'd imagine it's the samewith Propecia and all the other hair loss drugs. They have one main component, but other components that cover other things. The 20% figure I just made up, it's for argument sakes. It could be 5% could be 50%. Again I think the testosterone inhibitor is the main thing it does, but could be wrong. At the end of the day it doesn't matter whether it lowers testosterone, or whether it lowers 5AR conversion of testosterone to DHT. Either mechanism will result in lowered DHT. You do not have an argument there, you're just knit-picking.

top
06-27-2011, 04:38 AM
It's all bullshit, and your attempts at concealing the fact that you are the OP are laughable.

I am not the OP. Listen I noticed frontal hair loss about a year ago (age 28), I dismissed it, as it was only noticeable when my hair was short. I got a very short hair cut a couple weeks ago, and now I'm pretty sure I do have MPB. So now I've been spending a lot of the past few weeks reading online trying to figure out how to approach this problem. I've signed up to a few hairloss forums with the name top asking questions, and hoping to get some feedback.

Ok in simple terms, because I doubt you fully read my posts. Can you answer these then:

Why don't men suffering from MPB go straight to a Norwood 7? Why is it gradual?
Does DHT cause hair loss?
Does increased testosterone produce more DHT?
Does heavy weight lifting produce more testosterone?
Does looking at porn, frequent sex/masturbation produce more testosterone?
Does testosterone not rise, and then peak (around age 30-40), and the begin to slowly fall as we age (in accordance to the graphs I posted)? (you called me on this point, so I want to know if it's bullshit or not)
Does the western diet not contribute to our higher levels of testosterone in contrast to those in Africa and Asia? (Japan having a somewhat western diet)

top
06-27-2011, 05:06 AM
Well no, you described Propecia as a "testosterone reducer" - you also stated: "but mostly they will reduce your testosterone level", question: if Propecia does "a number of things" (with blocking 5AR conversion as its primary mechanism) - how can it "mostly reduce testosterone"? Unless you actually believe it's primary mechanism is to reduce testosterone, your above quote suggests not, but your previous comments suggests the opposite - you EVEN made the ridiculous claim that Propecia/DHT blockers would reduce testosterone by up to 20 percent, which would mean someone at the age of 25 taking propecia would end up with the testosterone levels of a 55-60 year old.

Actually my quote above suggests that I'm willing to concede that that argument as it is beneath the point. The point again being that if this is your equation:

Testosterone * X = DHT => Hairloss.

Then whether you reduce X (using Propecia) or if you reduce Testosterone (using other methods), you will reduce DHT, and in turn Hairloss.

It doesn't matter the method by which Propecia accomplishes this. Whether it reduces Testosterone or reduces X (the 5AR conversion factor), the result is the same. Lowered DHT.

As has been said a castration would result in drastically lowered testosterone and therefore DHT. But you seem so vehemently convinced that it's not, I'd only be led to assume that you have personally tried this yourself! ;)

RichardDawkins
06-27-2011, 05:08 AM
DHt works like a sand corn in a gear. Stem cell types cannot interact with each other anymore, thats why your hair gets not sufficient nutricion and therefore minituarizes over time, until it remains under your skin in a small form.

top
06-27-2011, 05:25 AM
DHt works like a sand corn in a gear. Stem cell types cannot interact with each other anymore, thats why your hair gets not sufficient nutricion and therefore minituarizes over time, until it remains under your skin in a small form.

Ok, now you're starting to talk :). But what's your argument here? You're explaining to me the low-level workings. Is this in response to the "Why don't men suffering from MPB go straight to a Norwood 7? Why is it gradual?" question. If so, this is not the answer I'm looking for.

Here is the question again, with a picture this time:

http://www.hairclub.com.pk/images/norwood_scale.gif
Why don't men suffering from MPB go straight to a Norwood 7? The hair loss follows an expanding pattern. This suggests that the hair follicles have varying resistance to DHT. They are not all being "attacked" at the same time and/or at the same rate. If they were, the loss would be uniform, the 'M' pattern would not exist.

RichardDawkins
06-27-2011, 06:42 AM
Has it occur to you that hairs have different cycles?

top
06-27-2011, 07:11 AM
Has it occur to you that hairs have different cycles?

This is true, but I'd doubt the difference would be sufficient on the scalp to explain such progression of a receding frontal hairline, or an expanding baldspot at the vertex, and the reasons why hair loss slows/halts. Not everyone is destined to win the big prize. A Norwood 7! Usually it's the young players that win it:

http://newyorkperistalsis.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/picard1.jpg
Jean Luc began playing Norwood when he was 19. Look how well he did.

BaldingBackwards
06-27-2011, 10:54 AM
Incorrect. You can ask the admin to do an IP trace. I don't know where they (whoever they are) are from. But I'm from London, UK. age 29, a computer games programmer of caribbean background. There you go. So now you are talking bullshit. I've highlighted your bullshit. Now highlight mine.

@UK: I'll level with you. Honestly, I'll hold my hands up, and tell you I don't know what Propecia does or doesn't do. It's speculation. Like most packaged drugs. In the UK we have Anadin, a painkiller, which is like a paracetomol, but they put caffeine in it, and a few other things. I'd imagine it's the samewith Propecia and all the other hair loss drugs. They have one main component, but other components that cover other things. The 20% figure I just made up, it's for argument sakes. It could be 5% could be 50%. Again I think the testosterone inhibitor is the main thing it does, but could be wrong. At the end of the day it doesn't matter whether it lowers testosterone, or whether it lowers 5AR conversion of testosterone to DHT. Either mechanism will result in lowered DHT. You do not have an argument there, you're just knit-picking.

Hi its the OP again guys just wanted to confirm with my readers that I have stated what my accounts are: ResearchNeverfails, BaldingBackwards, and BackwardsBalding. The Admin would be greatly appreciated if he would confirm this fact. FYI I live in California and if this gentleman is in the UK a simple confirmation from the admin WOULD BE NICE!! Any way thanks dude for you spin on things you made great points I appreciate the work.

PatientlyWaiting
06-27-2011, 11:39 AM
So in other words there will never be a cure? Because no MPB sufferer is ever gonna stop wanking or having sex.

The only cure, for a long time, will be hair transplant, hair multiplication, hair whatever, it's all just hair surgery.


Right? So a pill will only slow down the process and so does minoxidil, and the only real cure is hair surgery at this point, and for a long time to come?

top
06-27-2011, 12:35 PM
So in other words there will never be a cure? Because no MPB sufferer is ever gonna stop wanking or having sex.

The only cure, for a long time, will be hair transplant, hair multiplication, hair whatever, it's all just hair surgery.


Right? So a pill will only slow down the process and so does minoxidil, and the only real cure is hair surgery at this point, and for a long time to come?

Correct, it's not a cure. All I'm saying is that I think (note I said *Think*, I don't know for sure, I've spent no more than a few weeks looking into this), that testosterone level => DHT level => amount of DHT-sensitive hair that will miniaturise (all the scalp hair has varied tolerance of DHT-sensitivity forming a pattern in accordance to the Norwood scale).

Most of what I've said, is readily available information on the internet. That hairloss is due to testosterone breaking down into DHT affecting hair follicles. This is an accepted fact, no one disputes this. Further we know that diet, lifestyle, and sexual habits affect our level of testosterone, there are countless studies showing this, in most cases people do not dispute this. However it seems when the two are tied together, the whole entire argument and it's constituent facts are then labeled bullshit. Testosterone varies over age (peaking around age 30-40), there are countless studies which show this. A baby doesn't have the most testosterone, and neither does an elderly gentleman, there is a peak.

My input

The only part of my own theory that I'm putting into this is that I'm saying that testosterone level is proportional to DHT level which is in turn proportional to the extent of hair loss (rather than an on/off switch. "You are 25 years old, don't care how much testosterone you have, you will bald progressively in this pattern".). For many it appears as if DHT is like an army of infantry at your hair line, gradually eating away as it gets deeper to your crown (while for some they have this DHT army at their crown, and for others at both places. And for women they have it down the middle of their hair).

This would only make sense if under our scalp we had radically different blood artery configurations (which is what the OP is suggesting). I disagree with this assertion. I simply believe that the hair on our scalp is genetically coded to succomb to varying levels of DHT. For those with frontal balding, the hair follicles closest to your hairline at the temples have the lowest threshold or resistance to DHT. There is probably some evolutionary reason why we bald in different patterns, and a social reason could be a good argument. Perhaps MPB originated from those with dark hair, and fair skin (i.e. mediterraneans) as their balding patterns would be the most visible from a distance. But I'm not interested in the evolutionary reason.

I'm interested in the testosterone-hair loss relationship. How varying levels affect the extent of hair loss. If we know that this is the case. Then we know that as we age our testosterone is going to rise until peaking around 30-40, and as this rises so will our DHT and our hair loss will increase. So although we have no control over this progressive age-related testosterone increase. We can make conscious decisions to reduce further increasing our testosterone for sustained periods (e.g. excessive sex/masturbation, high protein diet, too much weight training). Further we know why DHT-blocking drugs appear to 'wear off' (they lower DHT a bit, e.g. 5-10%, but as we age, our testosterone will increase, and this 5-10% loss from Propecia is cancelled out.).

Note: Libido/Erections/Sex Drive is dependent on your level of DHT, not testosterone. So a drug like Propecia whether it was purported to lower testosterone or DHT conversion, it would still be destined to lower your libido. Of course the biggest sex organ in the male body is in the brain. So despite lower DHT or testosterone, if you think the right way, you'll be able to get a strong erection. Whereas with all the testosterone in the world, you could even be in the middle of the act, but if someone calls you and tells you something that distracts you, let's say a close relative just died, then your erection will quickly subside. Point I'm making is that of understanding how Propecia alters DHT level, and that it likely only alters your DHT a little. Which for most people is progress, but if you tamper with your testosterone level (or you age), then the losses will be offset. But still better having the drug than not having the drug from a purely hair loss perspective. But on the wider picture, it seems quite a dangerous drug with regards to sexual dysfunction.

So if it's a choice of reducing your sex/masturbation rate from 2 times a day (14 times a week) to 3 times a week. Or taking Propecia and losing your sex drive so you won't want to have sex more than 3 times a week. It's the same difference.

Sex drive is trained. If you only have sex a few times a week, you don't feel you need it so much. If you have sex 2x a day, or masturbate 5 times a day. Then you'll be horny 24/7. I know I've been there. I love sex as much as the next person. But what really loves sex is testosterone. And if sex fuels testosterone. Then you have feedback loop. Too much sex/masturbation is not good IMO. It makes it hard to be productive at anything else in life. So that's why I'm making a conscious effort to lower my sex rate and masturbation rate. The last year, especially past 3-6 months. I've been having sex on average twice a day, sometimes having sex or masturbating 5+ times in a day. Incidentally it is now that I've began to notice my hair loss. I really don't think it's a coincidence. I used to masturbate a lot as a kid, but my average testosterone levels would've been way lower, I didn't even have facial hair back then. Maybe there is some truth behind the saying "Masturbation causes hairy palms" (you masturbate a lot, your testosterone & DHT go rise significantly, hair falls out, and you notice it on your hands when you brush your hair or shower).

top
06-27-2011, 12:39 PM
Hi its the OP again guys just wanted to confirm with my readers that I have stated what my accounts are: ResearchNeverfails, BaldingBackwards, and BackwardsBalding. The Admin would be greatly appreciated if he would confirm this fact. FYI I live in California and if this gentleman is in the UK a simple confirmation from the admin WOULD BE NICE!! Any way thanks dude for you spin on things you made great points I appreciate the work.

Thanks for posting. The only thing we have in common is that we write too much.

Apologies for my long previous post. Just wanted to share my thoughts. You don't need to read it all.

I don't see why some people are so hostile here. I'm suffering just like the rest of you guys. If there was a pill that I could take for less than $10k to stop hair loss and get all my hair back I would. But until then I have to wait for the professionals to take a few more decades to come up with the solution to a potentially trillion dollar industry!

PatientlyWaiting
06-27-2011, 01:26 PM
Correct, it's not a cure. All I'm saying is that I think (note I said *Think*, I don't know for sure, I've spent no more than a few weeks looking into this), that testosterone level => DHT level => amount of DHT-sensitive hair that will miniaturise (all the scalp hair has varied tolerance of DHT-sensitivity forming a pattern in accordance to the Norwood scale).

Most of what I've said, is readily available information on the internet. That hairloss is due to testosterone breaking down into DHT affecting hair follicles. This is an accepted fact, no one disputes this. Further we know that diet, lifestyle, and sexual habits affect our level of testosterone, there are countless studies showing this, in most cases people do not dispute this. However it seems when the two are tied together, the whole entire argument and it's constituent facts are then labeled bullshit. Testosterone varies over age (peaking around age 30-40), there are countless studies which show this. A baby doesn't have the most testosterone, and neither does an elderly gentleman, there is a peak.

My input

The only part of my own theory that I'm putting into this is that I'm saying that testosterone level is proportional to DHT level which is in turn proportional to the extent of hair loss (rather than an on/off switch. "You are 25 years old, don't care how much testosterone you have, you will bald progressively in this pattern".). For many it appears as if DHT is like an army of infantry at your hair line, gradually eating away as it gets deeper to your crown (while for some they have this DHT army at their crown, and for others at both places. And for women they have it down the middle of their hair).

This would only make sense if under our scalp we had radically different blood artery configurations (which is what the OP is suggesting). I disagree with this assertion. I simply believe that the hair on our scalp is genetically coded to succomb to varying levels of DHT. For those with frontal balding, the hair follicles closest to your hairline at the temples have the lowest threshold or resistance to DHT. There is probably some evolutionary reason why we bald in different patterns, and a social reason could be a good argument. Perhaps MPB originated from those with dark hair, and fair skin (i.e. mediterraneans) as their balding patterns would be the most visible from a distance. But I'm not interested in the evolutionary reason.

I'm interested in the testosterone-hair loss relationship. How varying levels affect the extent of hair loss. If we know that this is the case. Then we know that as we age our testosterone is going to rise until peaking around 30-40, and as this rises so will our DHT and our hair loss will increase. So although we have no control over this progressive age-related testosterone increase. We can make conscious decisions to reduce further increasing our testosterone for sustained periods (e.g. excessive sex/masturbation, high protein diet, too much weight training). Further we know why DHT-blocking drugs appear to 'wear off' (they lower DHT a bit, e.g. 5-10%, but as we age, our testosterone will increase, and this 5-10% loss from Propecia is cancelled out.).

Note: Libido/Erections/Sex Drive is dependent on your level of DHT, not testosterone. So a drug like Propecia whether it was purported to lower testosterone or DHT conversion, it would still be destined to lower your libido. Of course the biggest sex organ in the male body is in the brain. So despite lower DHT or testosterone, if you think the right way, you'll be able to get a strong erection. Whereas with all the testosterone in the world, you could even be in the middle of the act, but if someone calls you and tells you something that distracts you, let's say a close relative just died, then your erection will quickly subside. Point I'm making is that of understanding how Propecia alters DHT level, and that it likely only alters your DHT a little. Which for most people is progress, but if you tamper with your testosterone level (or you age), then the losses will be offset. But still better having the drug than not having the drug from a purely hair loss perspective. But on the wider picture, it seems quite a dangerous drug with regards to sexual dysfunction.

So if it's a choice of reducing your sex/masturbation rate from 2 times a day (14 times a week) to 3 times a week. Or taking Propecia and losing your sex drive so you won't want to have sex more than 3 times a week. It's the same difference.

Sex drive is trained. If you only have sex a few times a week, you don't feel you need it so much. If you have sex 2x a day, or masturbate 5 times a day. Then you'll be horny 24/7. I know I've been there. I love sex as much as the next person. But what really loves sex is testosterone. And if sex fuels testosterone. Then you have feedback loop. Too much sex/masturbation is not good IMO. It makes it hard to be productive at anything else in life. So that's why I'm making a conscious effort to lower my sex rate and masturbation rate. The last year, especially past 3-6 months. I've been having sex on average twice a day, sometimes having sex or masturbating 5+ times in a day. Incidentally it is now that I've began to notice my hair loss. I really don't think it's a coincidence. I used to masturbate a lot as a kid, but my average testosterone levels would've been way lower, I didn't even have facial hair back then. Maybe there is some truth behind the saying "Masturbation causes hairy palms" (you masturbate a lot, your testosterone & DHT go rise significantly, hair falls out, and you notice it on your hands when you brush your hair or shower).

It's okay, I read it all, I have no problem reading.

This was a very informative post for me since I really don't know much about hair loss. I started receding at 16, i'm 22 now, i'm probably a NW2-2.5 thanks to finasteride and minoxidil slowing down my hair loss.


So when Finasteride starts to "wear off", all you have to do is up the dosage or just switch to Dutasteride, and add another 5-10 years to the slow down process until DHT just peaks on it's own at 30-40 years old? Or whatever, just reduce the times you have sex or wank, like you said "same difference", right? I feel like jumping on Dut right now, because although Fin has slowed down my hair loss, actually it seemingly stopped it entirely and probably grew very little back, i'll go with just maintained just to be modest. But the problem is, I got no sides, I didn't get low libido or whatever. I am still as horny as ever, I jerk off, I still wanna have sex and all that good stuff lol...but Finasteride seems to be working for me either way, as it has maintained what I have.

So what do you think is going on here?

top
06-27-2011, 01:44 PM
It's okay, I read it all, I have no problem reading.

This was a very informative post for me since I really don't know much about hair loss. I started receding at 16, i'm 22 now, i'm probably a NW2-2.5 thanks to finasteride and minoxidil slowing down my hair loss.


So when Finasteride starts to "wear off", all you have to do is up the dosage or just switch to Dutasteride, and add another 5-10 years to the slow down process until DHT just peaks on it's own at 30-40 years old? Or whatever, just reduce the times you have sex or wank, like you said "same difference", right? I feel like jumping on Dut right now, because although Fin has slowed down my hair loss, actually it seemingly stopped it entirely and probably grew very little back, i'll go with just maintained just to be modest. But the problem is, I got no sides, I didn't get low libido or whatever. I am still as horny as ever, I jerk off, I still wanna have sex and all that good stuff lol...but Finasteride seems to be working for me either way, as it has maintained what I have.

So what do you think is going on here?

I think the ideal strategy would be to get testosterone checks every 6 months to monitor changes. I've thought about doing this, but what do you tell you doctor? "Hey doc, can you check my testosterone, because I think mine is too high". Better yet, if there is a way to monitor DHT levels then all the better.

Finasteride (lol sounds like an asteroid), is keeping your DHT in check. You're just a young horny guy.

The equation to getting an erection:

Testosterone + Mind = Erection.

Even though testosterone rises, and peaks at age 30-40 (as shown in the countless graphs I've posted here, if anyone wants to contest this, we can arrange a time and place :)). Younger men have higher libido, it's been commonly said that 18 year old men are better repeaters (i.e. can have sex multiple times with very short breaks between ejaculation), whereas when guys hit 30 it's like once a day or every two days etc. I think this is a generalisation (I'm nearly 30, and have done many 7 round late night battles with the opposite sex, although I admittedly lost my virginity very late.) I think it's more a case of as you have sex over the years, it becomes less exciting, and that most of these studies don't take into the fact that most of the older guys are married and are having married sex (which is very boring, unless by married sex we're talking about doing someone else's wife ;)).

Alas, I do fear, PatientlyWaiting. That Mr Norwood has got something very special in store for you. Take a good look at Jean Luc Picard:

http://newyorkperistalsis.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/picard1.jpg

Your latent testosterone is gonna rise for another 15 years. Even if you quit spanking the monkey, and stay on finasterid, disasteroid, and whateveroid, Mr Norwood will have a nice number for you. Lucky number Norwood 7. :D

Jcm800
06-27-2011, 02:14 PM
@Top - Ok - i'm one of the older guy's around here - just turned 42 - started losing my hair mid-late 20's, but - it's only hit home at the age of 38-39 that i'm heading for doom and it's becoming noticeable.

The process thankfully for me, has been very very slow, but - through my 20's and 30's i was wanking, shagging constantly - very often, and my hairloss was slooow, hardly noticeable.

Now i'm in my early 40's, seldom spank the monkey (can't be arsed) and have sex maybe one night every week and lately my hair loss has increased - it's falling faster than ever, how do you explain that?

Ok, i use Minox on my hairline - that may be inducing a hairline shed, but all over it's thinning on top.

So to me, in my 40's - i'm going through worse hairloss than ever, what you state doesn't add up regarding age?

PatientlyWaiting
06-27-2011, 02:18 PM
@ Top.

Yeah, don't even remind me where i'm heading. It is depressing knowing that.

Here is a pic of my head shaved with a 1 clip earlier this month.

http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/3831/imag06812.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/848/imag06812.jpg/)



For a 22 year old it is pretty bad...and 2 years ago, it was even worse than it is now. I am not even going to show you the pics of 2009, because they are just so bad.


This is my hair grown out, it is me just that I have a tan. This picture is very deceiving, at that point I let my hair grow for a long time and that is all I could get. The hairline is not really my hairline, is just hair covering my forehead and I just cut it straight with a scissor. Basically you can lift up that hair on my forehead and see the actual recession, and you can see the recession on the right temple, here it is:

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4269/photo00432.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/9/photo00432.jpg/)

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/5622/photo00322.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/824/photo00322.jpg/)


Basically the only thing that kills me is my right temple, and I wish my hairline was lower. But if I let my hair grow out enough, I can basically cover my forehead a bit, and with a little help from Toppik I can conceal whatever noticeable thinning thee is.

But yeah, in 2009, it was a disaster. So Fin and Minoxidil has done a lot for me. And i'm also reducing the amount of times I jerk off or have sex. I'm doing everything I can to keep what I have and possibly regrow...that's why i'm interested in this thread.

Bald26
06-27-2011, 02:30 PM
Thanks for posting. The only thing we have in common is that we write too much.

Apologies for my long previous post. Just wanted to share my thoughts. You don't need to read it all.

I don't see why some people are so hostile here. I'm suffering just like the rest of you guys. If there was a pill that I could take for less than $10k to stop hair loss and get all my hair back I would. But until then I have to wait for the professionals to take a few more decades to come up with the solution to a potentially trillion dollar industry!

I just ignore some of the old posters now. They've been saying i'm the OP. The admin can testify this.

anyways, i've been abstaining from wanking for 7 days now. But I had s3x three times last weekend... Haven't seen any improvement in shedding yet. But I feel much more productive somehow. Will keep you guys updated.

mothernature
06-27-2011, 03:18 PM
great posts top. will read these thorougly soon

top
06-27-2011, 05:03 PM
@Top - Ok - i'm one of the older guy's around here - just turned 42 - started losing my hair mid-late 20's, but - it's only hit home at the age of 38-39 that i'm heading for doom and it's becoming noticeable.

The process thankfully for me, has been very very slow, but - through my 20's and 30's i was wanking, shagging constantly - very often, and my hairloss was slooow, hardly noticeable.

Now i'm in my early 40's, seldom spank the monkey (can't be arsed) and have sex maybe one night every week and lately my hair loss has increased - it's falling faster than ever, how do you explain that?

Ok, i use Minox on my hairline - that may be inducing a hairline shed, but all over it's thinning on top.

So to me, in my 40's - i'm going through worse hairloss than ever, what you state doesn't add up regarding age?

According to this graph:
http://www.antiaging.org/images/testosterone_decline.gif

You're at your peak (around 40). Maybe things will get better :D. It's possible your diet has changed, you work out more (weightlifting), or are sedentry (allowing build up of fats), or stressed lately. Has your BMI changed much over the past 20 years? Also did you use any DHT-reducing treatments the past 20 years, or only very recently.

I'm also curious how is your hair loss? is it a like a frontal progression 'M' shape receding, or vertex progression (expanding from the crown). Or do you have some sort of full blown evaporation of your hair (i.e. uniform attack).

I can't explain for everyone as there are lots of factors involved. But the basics of what I've said is just combining what we all know with Testosterone=>DHT=>Hairloss, and how our testosterone varies based on age and lifestyle.

If I were in my early 40's and only then started balding I wouldn't really care. You're a lucky guy. Jean Luc Picard was repping the NW7 crew by the time he was 20. :)

top
06-27-2011, 05:10 PM
As an experiment Jcm80, since you don't have much to lose (unlike us poor young balding SOBs). Maybe you could do an experiment and watch a lot of porn, masturbate once in the morning and once at night, have some sex too. Then see if it has an effect on the rate of your hairloss. ;)

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06-27-2011, 05:14 PM
I just ignore some of the old posters now. They've been saying i'm the OP. The admin can testify this.

anyways, i've been abstaining from wanking for 7 days now. But I had s3x three times last weekend... Haven't seen any improvement in shedding yet. But I feel much more productive somehow. Will keep you guys updated.

Generally too much sex/masturbation/thinking about sex is counter-productive. I hate to sound like an ultra conservative prude. As I in fact love sex, and am an addict. But as great as sex is, it can have a negative impact on your productivity. The more you do it, the more you want to do it.

I think you won't notice any changes after just one week. This is something you'd have to commit to for at least 3 months before you'd notice anything. People don't go bald overnight.

BaldingBackwards
06-27-2011, 05:51 PM
Top,

I wanted to clarify what is happening at the top of your head that is allowing DHT to build-up in the follicle. Also I will tell you all why the man started balding at 40 worse then earlier years with decreased sexual activity and why these two things really go hand and hand. The key to DHT being able to bind to the dermal papilla and collect over time is decreased blood flow. This is why you do not experience male pattern baldness anywhere else on your body because the blood flow will simply not allow it. If you drop a leaf in a current it will flow away if you drop a leaf on a small stream that is barely moving it will get stuck. TOP, it is very important you understand the variety of one persons arteries in there head to the next which easily explains why balding patterns vary so much but all end the same way if they go all the way through the Norwood diagram. Equally important is to understand what happens to arteries as they get closer to the ends at the top of your head which are predetermined at birth, those arteries get smaller and smaller closer to the ends. Its also important to understand the benefits of increased blood flow for your hair a good example of this is the high number of athletes who have better heads of hair then not active couch potatoes. However, if DHT is slightly sticking to the dermal papilla and you just keep adding more blood flow simply can not keep up. I found one study that measured blood flow to the head and they found a huge reduction over the years as people age. This is why with normal circulating levels of DHT you will still experience MPB as you get older because your circulation simply can not keep up without something increasing it. For humans it's almost unavoidable for blood flow to decrease to the head without preventative measures. With life becoming physically easier and easier some people can manage not even to bend over to pick anything up for years added in with no physical exercise what do you think is going happen? You think your head which is sitting on the only body walking vertical on two feet directly above the heart will just pump harder as you get older against gravity with no physical exercise or anything to increase it? Just bend over for one second or get on all four like any animal you will see what gravity does to your blood flow.




ONCE AGAIN THIS IS THE OP SPEAKING ORIGINAL ACCOUNT STILL IS BLOCKED SO I AM FORCED TO POST ON THIS ACCOUNT. IF THE ADMIN COULD VARIFY THIS IT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kamui85
06-27-2011, 07:28 PM
Top,

I wanted to clarify what is happening at the top of your head that is allowing DHT to build-up in the follicle. Also I will tell you all why the man started balding at 40 worse then earlier years with decreased sexual activity and why these two things really go hand and hand. The key to DHT being able to bind to the dermal papilla and collect over time is decreased blood flow. This is why you do not experience male pattern baldness anywhere else on your body because the blood flow will simply not allow it. If you drop a leaf in a current it will flow away if you drop a leaf on a small stream that is barely moving it will get stuck. TOP, it is very important you understand the variety of one persons arteries in there head to the next which easily explains why balding patterns vary so much but all end the same way if they go all the way through the Norwood diagram. Equally important is to understand what happens to arteries as they get closer to the ends at the top of your head which are predetermined at birth, those arteries get smaller and smaller closer to the ends. Its also important to understand the benefits of increased blood flow for your hair a good example of this is the high number of athletes who have better heads of hair then not active couch potatoes. However, if DHT is slightly sticking to the dermal papilla and you just keep adding more blood flow simply can not keep up. I found one study that measured blood flow to the head and they found a huge reduction over the years as people age. This is why with normal circulating levels of DHT you will still experience MPB as you get older because your circulation simply can not keep up without something increasing it. For humans it's almost unavoidable for blood flow to decrease to the head without preventative measures. With life becoming physically easier and easier some people can manage not even to bend over to pick anything up for years added in with no physical exercise what do you think is going happen? You think your head which is sitting on the only body walking vertical on two feet directly above the heart will just pump harder as you get older against gravity with no physical exercise or anything to increase it? Just bend over for one second or get on all four like any animal you will see what gravity does to your blood flow.




ONCE AGAIN THIS IS THE OP SPEAKING ORIGINAL ACCOUNT STILL IS BLOCKED SO I AM FORCED TO POST ON THIS ACCOUNT. IF THE ADMIN COULD VARIFY THIS IT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well according to youíre theory I understand you wonít see results with only a week of abstention. But (in my case) going from ejaculating 2 to 4 times a day, 7 days a week, to say, only once a month (while improving blood circulation), would you say one could see improvement over 1 year or 3? Or does it have to be COMPLETE abstention? This is my 10th day abstaining, I have NEVER would of thought of absenting for so long, but I got to admit it is getting kind of easier as days go by, but at the same time Iím beginning to fear for nocturnal emissionsÖ

auglen
06-27-2011, 09:17 PM
As an experiment Jcm80, since you don't have much to lose (unlike us poor young balding SOBs). Maybe you could do an experiment and watch a lot of porn, masturbate once in the morning and once at night, have some sex too. Then see if it has an effect on the rate of your hairloss. ;)
Love the idea haha.

@Kamui85 - nobody knows.
I'm still fighting with those nocturnal emissions after so many months. Few days ago I wrote a post saying I might finally make it for a month without one, but I guess it was premature. 2 days ago happened again (started recording them now). They do happen less often for a fact and I definitely have more "control".
But still nobody will tell you at what rate you could recover or if you will at all. Damn, it could even do nothing for maintaining.
Even if the theory is true then we are almost 100% positive that for many people it might not speed things up as much as for others.

There's too many extremes in this thread. Some deny any possibility while others go on to say that sexual activity is the ultimate factor in hair loss. I think it's important to have reasonable expectations, just don't want anybody to come back in 2 years and say that they wasted 2 years for nothing.

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06-28-2011, 01:20 AM
@BaldingBackwards: I admit, there could be something in that (bloodflow reduction) resulting in older people balding. Perhaps that is why as we all age, regardless of MPB or not, our hair thins. Maybe it's a contributory factor...

For youngsters in their 20's. The frontal balding is always fascinating. As for some it's a gradual receding, with clear defined areas with virtually no hair, then rapidly increasing to full hair (1,2,3,4 in diagram). This is what I'd attribute to a gradual rise in DHT. Whereas for others there are large inroads on the two sides of the M, but which have say 50% hair. Then you have types which appear like their hair has fought two wars. The first war much earlier, taking out the temples to about 50% levels, then the second war far more violent, taking out a massive circular cut (reducing everything in the circular region by 50%. 2A, 3A,4A,5A in diagram).

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_UDIwZAxomYk/S2mNH1tK2cI/AAAAAAAAAN4/D8N8zFhOhTM/norwoodalternate.jpg

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06-28-2011, 01:56 AM
This is what I have. The frontal receding hairline. But what it appears like is instead of Captain DHT creeping up on my hairline, gradually pushing it back. It's more like the DHT is attacking a chunk on either side. Gradually reducing the hairs.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/5820974944/norwood/a1.jpg

So I think it's something more sudden.

Interestingly around age 24 (5 years ago). I was about 9 1/2 stone. I started developing more facial hair. Gradually over the past 5 years, I've found it increasingly easier to build muscle mass. Everything has become more manly. My only conclusion is that my testosterone has been rising. Now I'm about 11 1/2 stone.

No doubt the testosterone is what's driving hair loss.

Sex & Testosterone

As for the sex & testosterone relationship. I'd say it's like this...

As we're ageing we're getting more testosterone (until reaching the peak around 30-40, and then falling after that). This is a continuous 24/7 testosterone output. Whereas if we watch porn for 15 minutes, our testosterone levels will rise 100% (say go from 20nmol/L to 40nmol/L), but this is short lived. It'll fall back down to normal levels after perhaps an hour (probably quicker if you ejaculate, and then lose interest, as opposed to having the horniness on your mind). 1 Hour of a heightened testosterone level due to sexual arousal is the equivalent of your average testosterone level being 1nmol/L higher than normal.

Taking a look at the scale below, we can see that it'd take about 2 hours per day of heightened sexual arousal to effectively push a 25-34 year old 5 years forward to around that of a 30-40 year old respectively.

http://www.drdach.com/images/testosterone_declines__w_age.gif

2 hours per day of heightened sexual arousal. Doesn't mean going for marathon sex until you're sore. This could translate as maybe a 15 minutes masturbation session in the morning, looking at porn/day dreaming/seeing seductive advertisement during the day, and having sex with your partner at night (which at least for my girlfriend means I have to give at least 15 mins foreplay before having sex). Each event would take time perhaps 30 mins to subside to normal levels.

Further, Sex Addiction occurring, when the testes is producing more testosterone to cater to your body's sexual requirements, just like any other part of the body becomes stronger when 'trained'. The result of this is that you're thinking about sex during the day, finding that sex or sexual thoughts are taking priority over other practical tasks.

For someone that doesn't think about sex much, or has very short sexual encounters that are not particularly arousing, it is unlikely that it will contribute much to MPB. It's for the chronic masturbators, those suffering from sex addiction, the marathon men. This is where it's going to make a difference.

Quite simply regardless of the mechanism of how hair follicles miniaturise, or the patterns. If your testosterone is near the threshold. Then you can either wait 5 years for your testosterone levels to naturally rise above the threshold and experience balding. Or you can raise your testosterone levels by thinking about sex a lot, masturbating, and having frequent, fairly long sex sessions.

Masturbating 2-3 times a week is not going to make much of a difference. But if you're thinking about sex a lot, and trying to refrain from masturbation, then you'll have a problem. You need to monitor how your brain feels. If you feel horny, then your testosterone will rise as your brain tells your testes "Quick start producing more testosterone, I'm horny and there's a good chance I'm going to have sex".

Jcm800
06-28-2011, 01:56 AM
According to this graph:
http://www.antiaging.org/images/testosterone_decline.gif

You're at your peak (around 40). Maybe things will get better :D. It's possible your diet has changed, you work out more (weightlifting), or are sedentry (allowing build up of fats), or stressed lately. Has your BMI changed much over the past 20 years? Also did you use any DHT-reducing treatments the past 20 years, or only very recently.

I'm also curious how is your hair loss? is it a like a frontal progression 'M' shape receding, or vertex progression (expanding from the crown). Or do you have some sort of full blown evaporation of your hair (i.e. uniform attack).

I can't explain for everyone as there are lots of factors involved. But the basics of what I've said is just combining what we all know with Testosterone=>DHT=>Hairloss, and how our testosterone varies based on age and lifestyle.

If I were in my early 40's and only then started balding I wouldn't really care. You're a lucky guy. Jean Luc Picard was repping the NW7 crew by the time he was 20. :)

Guess I'm more frontal 'M' with slightly thinning crown at present.

I used to work out like crazy up to my mid 20's, am still slim and not a lard arse. Don't use Fin, never have or will-only Minox and bloody TRX2 supplement, funnily enough that's doing sod all and hair has been worse since on it.

Anyway, even in my 40's losing hair concerns me, it must be a bitch losing it earlier and I appreciate that, but hey - no one wants to join Jean Luc whatever age..

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06-28-2011, 02:03 AM
btw: Testosterone levels in the morning are about 30% higher than the rest of the day. Which is why we get morning wood.

You may be able to lower this by doing a math quiz, sudoku puzzle, or something else mentally distracting for up to 5 mins.

Another option which may work is surgically removing one testicle. :D

note: There's actually a topic on one of the other hair loss forums regarding one testicle (i googled: one testicle hair loss)

RichardDawkins
06-28-2011, 02:07 AM
Stop wanking and do Sudokus and we are cured. Good dammit this is getting ridiculous more and more.

Bald26
06-28-2011, 11:26 AM
Stop wanking and do Sudokus and we are cured. Good dammit this is getting ridiculous more and more.

I gotta admit, the fact that you keep whining about how bullshit this is but keep coming back to read is quite funny :D especially after you falsely accused many of us to be the same person as the OP.

Bald26
06-28-2011, 11:27 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/5820974944/norwood/a1.jpg



YOU CALLED THIS A HAIRLOSS??? I'll die to have your hair lines you SOB.

BackwardsBalding
06-28-2011, 12:14 PM
btw: Testosterone levels in the morning are about 30% higher than the rest of the day. Which is why we get morning wood.

You may be able to lower this by doing a math quiz, sudoku puzzle, or something else mentally distracting for up to 5 mins.

Another option which may work is surgically removing one testicle. :D

note: There's actually a topic on one of the other hair loss forums regarding one testicle (i googled: one testicle hair loss)


To the gentlemen who asked about reducing the frequency over years. I say yes this will have an impact and I don't believe total abstinence would be needed.

@ top regarding the quote above, as far as I know you have a morning erection from the pressure a full bladder puts on your sex organs. I have never heard anything saying testosterone levels affect morning erections. To everybody else. I am glad this thread has advanced past the initial non-contributing doubters and I want to re assure all the readers that I am testing all these facts and will come to very strong conclusion on what it takes to control hair loss and hair regrowth products. :) I also have found something new and exciting that I will not share until I fully test it but if I am right there and it could be a pain free, surgery free, easy way to grow your hair back and it wont cost much at all to make and distribute. If I am right I will give all you the heads up. I don't have any money or power to conduct extensive research but I do have the brain power to consider all possibilities and I am doing so in an effort to help the hair loss community. Good luck every one keep posting.

I am ResearchNeverFails the OP I had to switch my name because my account is blocked.

UK_
06-28-2011, 04:08 PM
Stop wanking and do Sudokus and we are cured. Good dammit this is getting ridiculous more and more.........

lol

I might play hangman.

@OP - People have sought and sought and sought to control their hormones in an effort to combat baldness; green tea, aloe vera, saw palmetto, ginger, garlic, Nettle Root, Dong Quai, honey & lemon, sleeping on the floor, increasing B vitamins, tackling poly-ion channels (TRX2), VEGF growth factor 5 trillion - the list is ****ing endless....

I hardly doubt after all this people failed to realise masturbation and sex was the cause of it all -

There are whacky "cures" for all kinds of diseases out there - hayfever (acupuncture arm bands, honey tea, nasal lavender pollen barriers) - they all have one thing in common - NONE OF THEM WORK - and if they do work they don't work very well or for long -

Hair loss is a GENETIC PROBLEM - it requires a GENETIC CURE through GENE THERAPY or CELL MULTIPLICATION or HAIR MULTIPLICATION, like dividing an organ in two and hoping they both heal into full organs.

When they "cure" hair loss, they'll be growing new hearts, livers and kidneys for the elderly in the lab - is it any coincidence that while we are seeing such a phenomenal advancement in holistic organ cell reproduction and understanding we are also seeing a similar growth in understanding and developments in the hair loss field?

RichardDawkins
06-28-2011, 04:44 PM
Last part of your statement UK is correct you hit the spot dead on.

BackwardsBalding
06-28-2011, 04:51 PM
........

lol

I might play hangman.

@OP - People have sought and sought and sought to control their hormones in an effort to combat baldness; green tea, aloe vera, saw palmetto, ginger, garlic, Nettle Root, Dong Quai, honey & lemon, sleeping on the floor, increasing B vitamins, tackling poly-ion channels (TRX2), VEGF growth factor 5 trillion - the list is ****ing endless....

I hardly doubt after all this people failed to realise masturbation and sex was the cause of it all -

There are whacky "cures" for all kinds of diseases out there - hayfever (acupuncture arm bands, honey tea, nasal lavender pollen barriers) - they all have one thing in common - NONE OF THEM WORK - and if they do work they don't work very well or for long -

Hair loss is a GENETIC PROBLEM - it requires a GENETIC CURE through GENE THERAPY or CELL MULTIPLICATION or HAIR MULTIPLICATION, like dividing an organ in two and hoping they both heal into full organs.

When they "cure" hair loss, they'll be growing new hearts, livers and kidneys for the elderly in the lab - is it any coincidence that while we are seeing such a phenomenal advancement in holistic organ cell reproduction and understanding we are also seeing a similar growth in understanding and developments in the hair loss field?

UK,

I understand in the past you have taken a lot of what I say to heart. I also understand how hard the struggle of hair loss has been for you the same it has for almost everyone who experiences it. What you need to understand is science especially Western Science has no clue to why most of the problems we have are really happening. Mostly all they do is cover up the physical responses to terrible health problems with pills that do little more then hide the true problem at hand. We both can agree that hormones are the problem with MPB. As a matter of fact we can both agree excessive DHT in the Dermal Papilla is what is causing hair loss. This is common knowledge. The only thing that I am stating as new information is that DHT is mostly being produced in the prostate through an ejaculation. As a matter of fact Western Science will confirm that they find High levels of DHT in the prostate. So really the only thing that science even states different on the subject is they believe some magical unknown reaction happens within the tiny little hair follicle that converts Testosterone in Dihydrotestoerone. Even more strange is there belief that each hair follicles is "predisposed" individually to DHT just ironically at different rates and only on top of the head until later in life. You don't find all this a little strange. Even more strange are the numerous ironic links I point out in my original post. Look back at my original post, read more into hair loss and you will see the explanations I for free gave to all of you are at the very least more logical then anything being taught in Western Society.

BackwardsBalding
06-28-2011, 05:19 PM
Last part of your statement UK is correct you hit the spot dead on.

I could not disagree more. The cure for baldness is simple. There is no cure. Even my own title to this thread contradicts the a simple fact. Baldness is not a desease and thus can not be cured. Its a hormonal imbalance that is both controlable and reversable. It wont take transplants or anything like that. It will eventually be a pill that will keep your hair but like most pills in this country will end up causing more bad then good. The simple fact is that there is a natural solution to almost every medical problem that exists and if we dont have one then it has not been found yet.

HairTalk
06-28-2011, 05:35 PM
The simple fact is that there is a natural solution to almost every medical problem that exists and if we dont have one then it has not been found yet.

That's the most idiotic, simple-headed thing that's thus far been said in this thread. Good work topping yourself.

BackwardsBalding
06-28-2011, 05:44 PM
That's the most idiotic, simple-headed thing that's thus far been said in this thread. Good work topping yourself.

Tell that to Eastern Medicine with less then half the health problems we have and twice as many alternative medicines that attack the problem not hide the affect. I feel sorry for people like you so blinded by western medicine. Good luck with your hairloss I really hope the best for you its not your fault you been lied to your hole life.

RichardDawkins
06-29-2011, 09:04 AM
Good god we use the term Cure losely we could also say solution but this word is to long and could be mistaken with storge solution or anything else.

You say its reversable, i agree with that, but thats a cure. Everything in disorder if it gets fixed is cured or healed or whatever.

Of course people in easter cultures have less health conditions, BECAUSE THEY HAVE ANOTHER LIFE STYLE and sometimes dont even live as long as we :rolleyes:

But wait, from which ****rys come stuff like chicken flu etc? Dont give the answer we already know.

Good lord Backwardthinking instead of Balding.

First its spanking the monkey and now natural remedies. Even some Dr Cole from somewhere got donor multiplication with "primitive" tools and you tell me stuff about nature and wanking off.

Hair loss is genetically manifested and therefore need gnetical ideas to approach. And those deas are Stem cells, the only cells to fight genetic disorders because they are the fundamentals here

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06-30-2011, 07:21 AM
I don't know why you guys rip the piss out of BackwardsBalding. You can only fault him for being a little too optimistic.

Of course he is right in the saying that there are natural solutions to a lot of the problems we have in the west. Or more appropriately, natural solutions to avoiding a lot of the problems we have:

Obesity: Some people are genetically more prone to obesity to others. But if these people are careful with their diet (don't eat too much of the wrong food), then they'll get fat. Simple!

Tooth Decay: If we were all diligent with our diet, not eating so many sweets, and forgetting to brush our teeth. The Dentists would only get half as much as work.

Diabetes: Again, some people are genetically more prone to getting diabetes. But if these people are careful with their diet. They'll likely avoid it.

The list goes on and on. And in most cases it's our diet which determines these things. Only our genes dictate our likelihood of falling ill to these things. But in most cases, 100% of the population are at risk, just at varying levels.

We all eventually lose our hair. Men and Women.

If the balding rate has risen in countries like Japan, due to adopting a western diet. Then, although it may not indicate that there is a natural solution for everyone who suffers premature baldness, and may not even prevent anyone going bald. There will be a significant proportion of those at risk of balding, delaying the onset. Which is important to note.

I'm sure there are a lot of people on this forum that wish they started balding 10 or even just 5 years later. So they'd have more of their 'good years' with a full set of hair on their head.

I tell you. I had some great sex yesterday. Four times, with two different women. I don't know whether sex, masturbation, being aroused, or ejaculating is the silver bullet, that kills hair follicles. I'm sure other things are equally, if not more contributing (diet, exercise, stress). But I do think that anything that alters testosterone levels will have an impact on Male Pattern Baldness.

Those on the threshold, may be able to lower their testosterone a little, just enough to halt, or significantly slow their hair loss. For others, there may be no hope, short of castration. Simply because their testosterone is naturally too high, or their hair's DHT thresholds are too low.

If I can keep the majority of my hair on my head to the point where people can tell that I have a receding hair line, but don't think "Oh god he's bald". Till I'm around age 40. I don't really care. At age 40, I'm going to be trying to convince people (or women) that I could be in my late teens/early 20's.

UK_
06-30-2011, 02:42 PM
He's not right.

He stated there is a natural cure for EVERY disease, which is just a laughable comment.

He also made a comment regarding "the east" - it's a fair observation but I doubt he could pull up any evidence to prove a link between their lifespans and their "herbal medicine culture". Also, as Eastern nations industrialise, what part of that culture do you think will be kept when their people are facing cancer, heart disease and alzheimer’s? Do you think Britain kept it's Anglican medicinal treatments? lol.

I wonder how the modern NHS fairs against the health system during the Victorian age lol.

And RichardDawkins noted the most important aspect here - the fact that Europe industrialised before the east.

On a side note, I've seen a few of those Chinese herbal shops about in city centres here, I used to have a chuckle when I walked past about the kind of diseases they claimed to cure, and yeah, one actually claimed to cure cancer.

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07-01-2011, 01:11 AM
He's not right.

He stated there is a natural cure for EVERY disease, which is just a laughable comment.



If you want to get pedantic he actually said:

"The simple fact is that there is a natural solution to almost every medical problem that exists and if we dont have one then it has not been found yet."

Not every post is Black and White. Take the good from a post, discard the rest, and then enrich it with your own wisom. Instead of discarding the entire post due to one or two faults, and raining on the guy's parade.

Is Liposuction the solution to obesity? Is a Kidney dialysis machine the solution to Kidney problems. Is Insulin shots the solution to diabetes?... Or would a better approach be to limit excessive eating of crappy food, don't binge drink, don't have excessive sugar in your diet. In these cases I'd rather the prevention, than these 'cures'.



He also made a comment regarding "the east" - it's a fair observation but I doubt he could pull up any evidence to prove a link between their lifespans and their "herbal medicine culture". Also, as Eastern nations industrialise, what part of that culture do you think will be kept when their people are facing cancer, heart disease and alzheimerís? Do you think Britain kept it's Anglican medicinal treatments? lol.

I wonder how the modern NHS fairs against the health system during the Victorian age lol.

And RichardDawkins noted the most important aspect here - the fact that Europe industrialised before the east.

On a side note, I've seen a few of those Chinese herbal shops about in city centres here, I used to have a chuckle when I walked past about the kind of diseases they claimed to cure, and yeah, one actually claimed to cure cancer.

This is probably going to descend into an East Vs West showdown. But you do know that the Chinese civilisation is one of the oldest civilisations, and that for 18 of the past 20 centuries, China has had the world's largest economy (http://www.kwintessential.co.uk/articles/article/China/Ancient-China-Economy/2411). And now, for the past 50 years, China is on target to reclaim that place.

Although the western world is advanced in many areas, mostly the technological. It doesn't mean that we should assume that we're the most advanced in all areas of knowledge. We're less spiritual and understanding of such "energies", things like prayer. If we can't explain it with our knowledge of science, then it's hocus pocus. The mind is a powerful thing, for a lot of these alternative medicines I do think it's a kind of placebo effect. If you believe that the treatment will cure you, then your mind will do the work. But if you have doubts, then it'll do nothing.

I personally admit, that I am too quite a skeptic. But can't rule out there being any truth in such things.

Hurts
07-01-2011, 04:17 AM
OK i've decided this thread is actually 92% bullshit and 8% truth in that wanking may have helped with MPB progression but no where near as much as the OP and some others think, and I put my own MPB mainly down to weight lifting and follicles that are unable to deal with the extra DHT. :D

auglen
07-01-2011, 09:08 AM
Guys, 95% of things that are being said anywhere are not accurate or outright false. It's just how it is. Proving even seemingly simple things often takes enormous amounts of time.
It's likely BackwardsBalding is completely wrong, it's likely people behind histogen are completely wrong it's likely so much other people that seem to be close to the truth are completely wrong.
But damn, if you want to come up with anything you just have to make those uncertain assumptions. That's the only way you can come up with something new.
Most of things ALL of us write here will probably be proven wrong or inaccurate one day. But you know what? If we never came together and wrote those things we would be even less likely to prove them wrong. And proving things wrong often gives us other insight.

So DO point out every single logical error, please do, just don't be an ass that personally insults for no reason, this way you're only discouraging people that are actually doing something, they are doing no harm to you. And some of you are acting as if they were trying to hurt you.

UK_
07-01-2011, 10:49 AM
If you want to get pedantic he actually said:

"The simple fact is that there is a natural solution to almost every medical problem that exists and if we dont have one then it has not been found yet."

Not every post is Black and White. Take the good from a post, discard the rest, and then enrich it with your own wisom. Instead of discarding the entire post due to one or two faults, and raining on the guy's parade..

Okay so he said [almost] every disease - so what can and can't natural cures actually cure? Is there a specific 'do/don't' list? LOL Green tea and lavender oil can cure hayfever and diabetes but not cancer and heart disease? What the ****? I love how "confident" he appears in this comment aswel, as if he REALLY knows the plants and herbal jungle bullshit drugs that cure some diseases but not others - oh please tell us all what cures you have! PLEASE WE ARE DYING TO KNOW!!!!


Is Liposuction the solution to obesity? Is a Kidney dialysis machine the solution to Kidney problems. Is Insulin shots the solution to diabetes?...

But he stated a natural CURE.... how can you even begin to class exercise and a healthy diet as a natural cure? LOL. Just hilarious, don't even know why I'm replying lol.

Is smoking cessation the solution to lung cancer?

A lot of researchers years ago believed lung cancer could be reduced to a handful of people per nation if they just quit smoking.... until they discovered the link between lung cancer and radon gas.

Put that in yer pipe an smoke it.

HairyHair
07-01-2011, 02:05 PM
Okay so he said [almost] every disease - so what can and can't natural cures actually cure? Is there a specific 'do/don't' list? LOL Green tea and lavender oil can cure hayfever and diabetes but not cancer and heart disease? What the ****? I love how "confident" he appears in this comment aswel, as if he REALLY knows the plants and herbal jungle bullshit drugs that cure some diseases but not others - oh please tell us all what cures you have! PLEASE WE ARE DYING TO KNOW!!!!



But he stated a natural CURE.... how can you even begin to class exercise and a healthy diet as a natural cure? LOL. Just hilarious, don't even know why I'm replying lol.

Is smoking cessation the solution to lung cancer?

A lot of researchers years ago believed lung cancer could be reduced to a handful of people per nation if they just quit smoking.... until they discovered the link between lung cancer and radon gas.

Put that in yer pipe an smoke it.
I agree with top to the extend that there are natural alternatives to literally every disorder. Drugs often are "tailor made" by a process called rational drug design meaning that the compound fits to the receptor in question like the key to the keyhole. Those compounds usually are synthesized artificially and can have fast and impressive results. And often this is the solution to go...if fast and impressive results are needed (e.g. cancer). However, those chemical compounds are not used to the complex biochemistry within the human body and long-term they are often accompanied by serious side-effects. Some go as far and argue EVERY artificial chemical compound, exposed to the human body, ultimately leads to side-effects and results achieved come for a price. In principal almost every chemical compound can be mimicked by a less intrusive biological (i.e. natural) compound. There are databases that list all bio-mimicks (e.g. the natural/biological mimick of aspirine)...same would be possible for finasteride or minoxidil. Problem is that most of those biological compounds are not extracted/discovered...they may lie somewhere in the rainforest or bottom of the ocean...experts estimate that only a fraction of a percent has been isolated and argue that nature does not know any limits in terms of biodiversity of biological/natural compounds...
Personally I like the thought of a long-term, safe natural treatment (even if it comes with the less impressive results in the beginning)

top
07-02-2011, 02:22 AM
But he stated a natural CURE.... how can you even begin to class exercise and a healthy diet as a natural cure? LOL. Just hilarious, don't even know why I'm replying lol.

This is probably a language issue (I'm assuming English is not the OP's first language), and depends on one's definition of a 'cure'. I'm not going by the title of the thread, just by the content/ideas in it. Whatever you want to call it, if someone tells you to do these specific exercises, consume these nutrients, and don't do too much of these exercises, or consume too much of this type of food, and your problem will go away, or drastically reduce, as much if not more so than taking a drug. I'm not going to suddenly say to them, "Sorry, but since your regime doesn't come with a pill, I'm not going to follow it to sort my problem out".



Is smoking cessation the solution to lung cancer?

A lot of researchers years ago believed lung cancer could be reduced to a handful of people per nation if they just quit smoking.... until they discovered the link between lung cancer and radon gas.

Put that in yer pipe an smoke it.

Are you suggesting that smoking DOES NOT cause lung cancer?

Listen, no one is saying that if you stop wanking you won't go bald. No one is saying that if you stop lifting heavy weights you won't go bald. Or that if you stop having a high fat 'western' diet you won't go bald. We're just saying that we think these are contributory factors towards Male Pattern Baldness (due to the testosterone connection). Just as smoking increases one's chance of getting cancer (even if Radon gas also increases one's chance of getting cancer).

Your argument is saying, "I'm gonna pick up a gun and shoot myself in the face, because guns are not the only thing that kill people. There is a link between death and knives".

Nothing is black and white. There is no silver bullet that will make the same problem go away for everyone experiencing that problem. But there is always going to be something that will help reduce that problem for some people. Maybe you tried some of these ideas and they didn't work for you. Well I'm sorry to hear that, maybe you're too hyper and are too stressed, so your testosterone is going through the roof. :D

doke
07-02-2011, 03:01 AM
The lady that asked about dht blockers for woman i have heard that propecia has been presribed to some and that it can help with minox as well in combo.
As to the Latisse hair loss trials hair was regrown back on stumptail monkeys as they and other species suffer mpb.
This thread seems to go on and as to the mas causes hair loss i do not think so,although in semen there is a lot of zinc and that combined with sea kelp and minox i was at six months getting some hair regrowth.
Its worth taking 15mgs a day of zinc+some 400mgs two a day of kelp tablets which are quite cheap and combine with topical minox and propecia for at least six to twelve months.
:cool:

doke
07-02-2011, 03:04 AM
By the way we all swear and get angry with people,i do not think it is a good idea to do this to posters on the bald truth forum and many forums have mods to stop this,we are lucky here that you can say things so lets stop the swearing please?:D

auglen
07-02-2011, 03:08 AM
While not directly related I'm posting a study that I know some of you would be interested in.
http://joe.endocrinology-journals.org/content/70/3/439.abstract

JV3
07-02-2011, 04:38 AM
I was on Proscar for only two months and it has DESTROYED my life. The side effects came upon me after only a week of use and, after having been off the drug for months, they have not subsided but have STEADILY GROWN WORSE! This is NOT "just in my head" as I wasn't even aware of the possible side effects until I lost all sexual desire and was unable to get an erection. They have discovered as of last Match that the side effects are likely permanent for a percentage of men who take the drug. If you don't believe me go here: http://www.propeciasideeffects.com/

BEWARE OF FINASTERIDE IN ANY FORM YOU MAY BE TRADING YOUR LIFE FOR HAIR REGROWTH IT IS NOT WORTH IT!!!!!!

doke
07-02-2011, 05:28 AM
Well i have tried finasteride and dutasteride and it was the latter that did not regrow any hair and made the sides you talk of with me.
But i have returned to 2mg a day proscar or finas as its called and i have no problems that you have with it,so it seems we are all different as to sides.:eek:

crowningglory
07-02-2011, 06:25 AM
I was on Proscar for only two months and it has DESTROYED my life. The side effects came upon me after only a week of use and, after having been off the drug for months, they have not subsided but have STEADILY GROWN WORSE! This is NOT "just in my head" as I wasn't even aware of the possible side effects until I lost all sexual desire and was unable to get an erection. They have discovered as of last Match that the side effects are likely permanent for a percentage of men who take the drug. If you don't believe me go here: http://www.propeciasideeffects.com/

BEWARE OF FINASTERIDE IN ANY FORM YOU MAY BE TRADING YOUR LIFE FOR HAIR REGROWTH IT IS NOT WORTH IT!!!!!!
Agreed! this is why i switched to trx2 with good results so far

HairTalk
07-02-2011, 09:24 AM
Agreed! this is why i switched to trx2 with good results so far

...Really? :cool:

UK_
07-02-2011, 01:14 PM
Definition of cure:

Eliminate (a disease or condition) with medical treatment:


This is probably a language issue (I'm assuming English is not the OP's first language), and depends on one's definition of a 'cure'.

Sorry but what other language would cure mean .... "not a cure, but slightly a cure?" lol.

Are you rewriting the dictionary here? How many copies do you plan to sell?....


I'm not going by the title of the thread, just by the content/ideas in it. Whatever you want to call it, if someone tells you to do these specific exercises, consume these nutrients, and don't do too much of these exercises, or consume too much of this type of food, and your problem will go away, or drastically reduce, as much if not more so than taking a drug..

Your problem might go away or be prevented, but that's a long distance from a cure lol - intensive exercise may make a fat person light but it wont cure the genetic timebomb that has their destiny lined up with cancer, heart disease or a stroke.


I'm not going to suddenly say to them, "Sorry, but since your regime doesn't come with a pill, I'm not going to follow it to sort my problem out"..

See why did you use the word "sort" in that statement? I think your subconscious mind actually realised how stupid the original statement by the OP was, your conscious mind however is still tied up in this pointless debate, trying desperately to string together a coherent point, however the strings are tied here, clearly; you are wrong.

- if your subconscious mind actually believed in the OP's comment, you would have used the term "cure" in-place of "sort"... lol:D


Are you suggesting that smoking DOES NOT cause lung cancer?

LOL heavens no.


Your argument is saying, "I'm gonna pick up a gun and shoot myself in the face, because guns are not the only thing that kill people. There is a link between death and knives".

I hope you now understand this whole "conversation" boils down to the OP's use of the word "cure" and your purposefully imposed disparity of it's actual meaning is truly laughable. Whether you are perpetuating this idiocy as some sort of plan to prove yourself here, or whether you simply lack a basic understanding of herbal/natural medicine - I honestly don't know, your last post indicates the former but I also believe the latter to be true.

If we take a dictionary, we know exactly what cure means, even if we take a dictionary from every language on the planet it means the same thing, now when we take that definition into the context of this conversation, we know the OP's statement is entirely false.

I was merely pointing this out.

RichardDawkins
07-02-2011, 01:38 PM
Its funny, people think about masturbation and sudokus while Dr Cooley transplanted a huge amount of plucked hairs which grow..... Man this is a crazy and stupid world

top
07-02-2011, 02:49 PM
Look up the definition of Pedantic :)

UK_
07-02-2011, 04:56 PM
Look up the definition of Pedantic :)

I am fully aware of the definition of the word pedantic, to call me pedantic in this context is to allow you to bend the rules of the english language to your benefit, sorry, you were wrong from the outset, you're wrong now.

Hows your controlled anti-wanking study going by the way?

mothernature
07-05-2011, 10:00 AM
Top,

I wanted to clarify what is happening at the top of your head that is allowing DHT to build-up in the follicle. Also I will tell you all why the man started balding at 40 worse then earlier years with decreased sexual activity and why these two things really go hand and hand. The key to DHT being able to bind to the dermal papilla and collect over time is decreased blood flow. This is why you do not experience male pattern baldness anywhere else on your body because the blood flow will simply not allow it. If you drop a leaf in a current it will flow away if you drop a leaf on a small stream that is barely moving it will get stuck. TOP, it is very important you understand the variety of one persons arteries in there head to the next which easily explains why balding patterns vary so much but all end the same way if they go all the way through the Norwood diagram. Equally important is to understand what happens to arteries as they get closer to the ends at the top of your head which are predetermined at birth, those arteries get smaller and smaller closer to the ends. Its also important to understand the benefits of increased blood flow for your hair a good example of this is the high number of athletes who have better heads of hair then not active couch potatoes. However, if DHT is slightly sticking to the dermal papilla and you just keep adding more blood flow simply can not keep up. I found one study that measured blood flow to the head and they found a huge reduction over the years as people age. This is why with normal circulating levels of DHT you will still experience MPB as you get older because your circulation simply can not keep up without something increasing it. For humans it's almost unavoidable for blood flow to decrease to the head without preventative measures. With life becoming physically easier and easier some people can manage not even to bend over to pick anything up for years added in with no physical exercise what do you think is going happen? You think your head which is sitting on the only body walking vertical on two feet directly above the heart will just pump harder as you get older against gravity with no physical exercise or anything to increase it? Just bend over for one second or get on all four like any animal you will see what gravity does to your blood flow.




ONCE AGAIN THIS IS THE OP SPEAKING ORIGINAL ACCOUNT STILL IS BLOCKED SO I AM FORCED TO POST ON THIS ACCOUNT. IF THE ADMIN COULD VARIFY THIS IT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

then why isnt the cure to add topical vasodilators to the scalp? This would dilate the arteries increasing the blood flow to the scalp according to your theory will flush DHT away and therefore regression of MPB. Minoxidil is a known vasodilator yet does not halt MPB. People who do scalp excercises have not shown any decent results. I think your being a little optimistic in this entire thread:confused:

UK_
07-05-2011, 01:59 PM
....a little? lol

Perhaps like us, the admin doesn't wish to hear about bogus methods to stop hair loss... lmfao@ "flush out DHT"... as if it gets stuck in the follicles or something.

Kamui85
07-05-2011, 03:37 PM
then why isnt the cure to add topical vasodilators to the scalp? This would dilate the arteries increasing the blood flow to the scalp according to your theory will flush DHT away and therefore regression of MPB. Minoxidil is a known vasodilator yet does not halt MPB. People who do scalp excercises have not shown any decent results. I think your being a little optimistic in this entire thread:confused:

Yes but according to him, it would have to be increased blood flow PLUS abstinence, since ejaculation makes DHT peak, as he showed with his test results.

mothernature
07-05-2011, 03:59 PM
Yes but according to him, it would have to be increased blood flow PLUS abstinence, since ejaculation makes DHT peak, as he showed with his test results.

oh right, and the top guy showed how even thinking about sex or watching porn increases test by alot. So cant even look at girls. I'm actually going 3 weeks strong

UK_
07-05-2011, 04:23 PM
These here organs are the tools of the devil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bald26
07-05-2011, 04:37 PM
it has been 16 days. Maybe in the last few days, I see less hair falling out than usual... but maybe it's just temporary or I'm forcing myself into believing it. No new hair growth in my bald spots. I'll update more.

BackwardsBalding
07-05-2011, 06:31 PM
Hey guys,

I received some more tests back and from what I can see DHT is fluctuating all by its self without an ejaculation. I took 3 tests five minutes apart to see how my levels changed and this was two weeks with out an ejaculation at almost the same time of the day as my previous test. The tests were measured 31, 39, 46 and were each five minutes apart. Although this suggests that DHT can spike and go up all by its self this could easily be explained by releasing DHT into your blood steam via increased blood flow through the methods I described. If this is true then just measuring DHT levels unless immediately following an ejaculation is pointless. A good example of this would be leaning over if it does wash DHT out of the hair by increased blood flow then the result would be higher DHT in the blood almost immediately. With this said the only way for me to prove there is even a correlation between ejaculation and hair loss would be with more tests or multiple people attempting to be abstinent and measuring the hair growth they get. I also believe that the prostate may take several weeks to shrink after excessive use and thus will stop producing even varying highs/lows of DHT but once again these are only theories. I want to introduce to my readers a reflex that is very unique and is only not used because of modern living situations allowing our bodies to not be exposed to varying temperatures. Its called the Mammalian Diving Reflex and if you look it up, follow proper precautions, you will see that its has a very unusual affect on blood flow to the head that might explain why people exposed to both hot and cold temperature have better blood flow and thus better hair on there head :). I had originally committed to my self if circulating levels could vary without an ejaculation that another possability is that DHT is being secreted through the skin because of ejaculations. However those tests (oral swab DHT test) cost $80 a piece and simply I can not afford to do them. This is very unfortunate because I believe this could be a promising test when compared to ejaculations rates. The other test that I really need done if somebody would like to attempt, would be measuring multiple ejaculations in the same day to see how much if any spike of DHT there is. Sorry guys if you are confused with anything I have said please feel free to ask questions. Best of luck everybody stick with this technique for a few months it wont hurt and I believe results are on the horizon.

Summary of events

1. I introduced my theory
2. I showed a spike in DHT following an ejaculation
3. I now have showed that spike could merely be coincidence because my levels fluctuate with out ejaculations. More tests need to be done after multiple ejaculations in the same day or even the same week as I have not done those tests and it could ultimetely show a very high spike in DHT in that first few minutes.
4. I have suggested that we test through oral swab which is available if you look up on-line
5. I remain confident that excessive ejaculation is the catalyst behind MPB and that and list another theory below.

Theory:

Because science already believes DHT is bult up in the hair follicle or rather that the follicles are shortened over time due to excessive DHT. It could be the prostate is secreting an unknown fluid that activates 5-Alpha Reductase in the hair follicles at a slow rate that is still being enabled by lack of blood flow to the top of the scalp.

BackwardsBalding
07-05-2011, 06:39 PM
Even if levels fluctuate all the time if they spike exteremely high after multiple ejaculations this could be groundbreaking. I can not go on testing this any more as I do not have money or resources. Another thing to remember is the study that showed Testosterone spiked on the 7th day following an ejaculaion. This is a very weird fact I hope people can add some stimulating thoughts on the matter. It seem more research needs to be done.

BackwardsBalding
07-05-2011, 06:42 PM
I also believe sun activates hair follicles the only reason I came to this thought was by looking at my arm. The more tan the more hair. I used to think that hair was to keep you warm but from what I have read online its actually to block sunlight.

mothernature
07-06-2011, 07:54 AM
are you saying i can go please my gf now? ;)

Bald26
07-06-2011, 02:50 PM
I also believe sun activates hair follicles the only reason I came to this thought was by looking at my arm. The more tan the more hair. I used to think that hair was to keep you warm but from what I have read online its actually to block sunlight.

I have to disagree on this. I wear long pants most of the time so my legs are more pale than my arms. However, my legs have wayyy more hair than my arms.

Another point I want to make is, the top of my head always gets the most sun light, but it goes bald faster than the surrounding area.

BackwardsBalding
07-06-2011, 03:32 PM
are you saying i can go please my gf now? ;)

No I still believe in my theory just cant prove it without extensive tests that would cost way too much money.

BackwardsBalding
07-06-2011, 03:35 PM
I have to disagree on this. I wear long pants most of the time so my legs are more pale than my arms. However, my legs have wayyy more hair than my arms.

Another point I want to make is, the top of my head always gets the most sun light, but it goes bald faster than the surrounding area.

True, however science believes your hair cycle is six years long. Maybe because your hair on your legs gets more then enough blood flow because its below your heart you never experience any hair loss at all. After you start releasing DHT from your hair follicle its still dormant you need to reactivate those cells I believe this is done with sunlight.

UK_
07-06-2011, 04:32 PM
No I still believe in my theory just cant prove it without extensive tests that would cost way too much money.

Why dont you write a proposal and request funding from a research institute?

I am sure the Government would help you out, just add it to the long list of ****ed up projects they've wasted tax payers money on over the years.

BackwardsBalding
07-06-2011, 07:16 PM
Why dont you write a proposal and request funding from a research institute?

I am sure the Government would help you out, just add it to the long list of ****ed up projects they've wasted tax payers money on over the years.

No I would have to go through too many skeptical scorned people like you. Your like a speed bump in the road of discovery. People like you are the reason there is no solution to hairloss. You put down every effort made and really only reveal your own inability to accept your current "situation". I really hope the best for you Uk and Mr. Dawkins as well. I hope that when you finally do have your hair back it was not all in vain because nothing will bring you happiness if you live a life of vanity. Good luck.

UK_
07-07-2011, 06:22 AM
No I would have to go through too many skeptical scorned people like you. Your like a speed bump in the road of discovery. People like you are the reason there is no solution to hairloss. You put down every effort made and really only reveal your own inability to accept your current "situation". I really hope the best for you Uk and Mr. Dawkins as well. I hope that when you finally do have your hair back it was not all in vain because nothing will bring you happiness if you live a life of vanity. Good luck.

It was a joke lol.

People are sceptical because they are investing in your idea, if your idea reeks (which, with all due respect, it does) then nobody will fund you.

We don't put down every effort, we were just having a laugh, and come on, you have to admit, your idea was pretty hilarious. And we're not all narcissists here, we just want back what was taken from us.

BackwardsBalding
07-07-2011, 05:19 PM
It was a joke lol.

People are sceptical because they are investing in your idea, if your idea reeks (which, with all due respect, it does) then nobody will fund you.

We don't put down every effort, we were just having a laugh, and come on, you have to admit, your idea was pretty hilarious. And we're not all narcissists here, we just want back what was taken from us.

Equally I want you to have back what was taken from you. I hope that you get your hair back.

Another note regarding my DHT levels following no ejaculation from my recent post. I don't know how but the testing lab seemed to mix up my number they sent me numerous numbers for tests I didn't test. They have me down for almost double the amount of tests I took and the numbers are so random Im not even sure if they did them all corectly. It sucks, I guess if ejaculation is contributing to baldness for men it wont be everyone but I believe it will be for alot of you. The only way to tell is to decrease your frequency and record your progress. Thanks everyone ask any questions and feel free to include any findings or studies that negate or support my theories.

BackwardsBalding
07-07-2011, 05:46 PM
I am finding very close relationship between zinc and hair loss. Zinc is believed to be a natural DHT blocker and is located mainly in the muscles and bones but also in the hair follicle. When your body gets low on zinc it steals it from your hair for more fital organs. Look at this link any ideas?

http://calosol.com/zinc.php

BackwardsBalding
07-07-2011, 05:52 PM
http://www.*************.com/22/zinc-and-healthy-hair/

BackwardsBalding
07-07-2011, 06:00 PM
Keep in mind my theories state high frequencies of ejaculation not masturbation contribute to hairloss. The physical stimulus that causes an ejaculation is not important in my theory so whether you masturbate or just have alot of sex I see no difference. All though, the lady writing this article states that having unprotected sex allows for swapping of important fluids from male to female to balance out. I dont know if I believe all of what she states but heres the article.

http://thehealthblogger.com/masturbation-it-is-not-healthy-for-you-contrary-to-popular-belief/

UK_
07-07-2011, 07:56 PM
the physical stimulus that causes an ejaculation is not important in my theory so whether you masturbate or just have alot of sex i see no difference.

ye think???

BackwardsBalding
07-07-2011, 11:14 PM
This is a link for what is in my opinion a good covering of the science behind human hair. I am providing these links to show you how I came to all my conclusions and why even still I see the connection. Most of these links are unrelated to the main idea of this thread but at the same time very important to the over all point.

http://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/hair-loss/science-hair

BackwardsBalding
07-07-2011, 11:16 PM
http://www.bmj.com/content/310/6990/1289.full

BackwardsBalding
07-07-2011, 11:19 PM
http://www.library.ayurvediccure.com/over-masturbation/masturbation-cause-hair-loss.htm

BackwardsBalding
07-07-2011, 11:22 PM
http://www.************.com/interact/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=45920&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

BackwardsBalding
07-07-2011, 11:24 PM
http://www.add-hair.com/circulation-enhancers-hair-regrowth-activators.htm

BackwardsBalding
07-07-2011, 11:26 PM
THis is why as you get older the chances of dht being able to stay bound in your hair follicles is easier. This study done proves reduction in blood flow to the head as you get older. Great study to read.

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=4155959

BackwardsBalding
07-07-2011, 11:29 PM
I strongly encourage every one wanting to correct hair loss to the very least ad this to your treatment. This guy does not sell crap he is very correct in his theories and has been able to keep his hair through scalp exercises still in his old age.


http://www.hairloss-reversible.com/my_approach.htm

BackwardsBalding
07-07-2011, 11:35 PM
http://joe.endocrinology-journals.org/content/70/3/439.abstract


Inlcudes Plasma DHt levels something Im assuming was not checked for me.

BackwardsBalding
07-07-2011, 11:38 PM
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/reform8.htm

BackwardsBalding
07-07-2011, 11:42 PM
http://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer/news/20110216/is-early-balding-linked-to-prostate-cancer

If you ejaculate to frequently your prostate will be inflamed all the time. Science believes inflimation causes cancer so there you have it.

BackwardsBalding
07-07-2011, 11:47 PM
http://abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/48321/

try and get away from there routine use of the word masturbation. I have said before and wills say again, its frequent ejaculation that is the catalyst to MPB not masturbation alone.

BackwardsBalding
07-08-2011, 05:06 PM
http://www.drlwilson.com/ARTICLES/MASTURBATION.htm

Bald26
07-08-2011, 05:13 PM
http://www.drlwilson.com/ARTICLES/MASTURBATION.htm

I remember reading this before, from a different website. Not surprised to see it again. :)

mothernature
07-08-2011, 05:20 PM
I remember reading this before, from a different website. Not surprised to see it again. :)

i couldn't bare to read it below half way.. pure pseudo junk science

BackwardsBalding
07-08-2011, 05:40 PM
This is the OP and everything in the last two pages are links of the reasons that I have come to the conclusion that the most important factors in hair loss and regrowing hair are decreasing ejaculation and increasing blood flow. I have provided every link regarding this matter and all though it may be allot to read if you go through them you will see the same connections I have seen. The other important thing to note is the Routine I am doing because after 2 months I have seen SIGNIFICANT REGROWTH AND INCREASED QUALITY OF MY HAIR.

1. I put Cheyenne Pepper on almost everything I eat now because it increases blood flow to the skin(souther america and asia were MPB is way less often have spicey diets)
2. I take a normal shower but end it with slowly turning down the temp. until it is cold. I only let the cold water run through my hair but also on the face and leaning over so that my head is below my heart or level to allow increased blood flow. Make sure to hold your breathe while doing it activates your Mammalian Diving Reflex and do it numerous times for at least a few minutes at the end of every shower (wait until you see the quality of your skin and hair you will be amazed after a few weeks of doing this).
3. I started the scalp exercises and do them three three times a week preferably after a cold shower when the blood is flowing. The link on how to do this I posted on a previous page and I am telling you this guy is on to something.
4. I do stretches like touching my toes numerous times throughout the day and do stretches of my neck. Look up the correct way to stretch your neck. Its really easy.
5. I do not ejaculate more then once every two weeks but if you must do it more often then once a week while growing hair back it should be ok. I believe the best results will be seen in individuals who go much longer then two weeks of abstinence. Another good idea is to take a zinc supplement immediately following an ejaculation or if you like oysters just eat one they are packed with zinc.
6. Exercising after the scalp massage will both burn DHT out of your system that is being released from your hair follicle and increase your circulation.
7. Get sunlight on your head nothing brings blood flow better to your scalp then tannning. I think a sunburn is just fine if you are burning then you need to be spending more time in the sun your body processes vitamin D in the sun and it is vital to health.

I cant say which of these is having the most affect but the little hair loss at my temples are regrowing and the flatness of my hair in the front has vanished. My hair stands up straight and feels thicker and looks darker then ever. Before you waste money, time and health on bogus products I suggest this Routine and also the laser comb or Rogaine would Dilate your blood vessels so they are both OK to include. I will post pictures by the end of the month.

Bald26
07-08-2011, 06:00 PM
i couldn't bare to read it below half way.. pure pseudo junk science

Maybe you should email that MD who wrote it? :D

BackwardsBalding
07-08-2011, 06:21 PM
Maybe you should email that MD who wrote it? :D

Yea he is a little over the top and I really wouldn't recommend wasting money on hair analysis but his points are actually spot on and if you take the free advice it will help. However, all you need to do is follow the free routine I listed above and be patient and you will begin seeing results in just a few weeks. Good luck ask if you guys have questions don't forget before after pictures so we can prove the closed minded wrong.

HairTalk
07-08-2011, 07:17 PM
Here's a snippet from a link posted by the clown who began this thread:

The etheric effect of masturbation. This is a depletion of a special type of subtle energy you were born with that you need in order to live a long, healthy life. You can regenerate this energy, at least to some degree, so all is not lost.

Etheric energy is also sometimes called "vital energy" or "vital force". It is depleted in both men and women when there is loss of one’s vital sexual fluid. (http://www.drlwilson.com/ARTICLES/MASTURBATION.htm)

Could an administrator or moderator please have mercy on human intellect, and lock this ****ing thread and ban the original poster, already? Really...

BackwardsBalding
07-08-2011, 10:44 PM
Here's a snippet from a link posted by the clown who began this thread:

The etheric effect of masturbation. This is a depletion of a special type of subtle energy you were born with that you need in order to live a long, healthy life. You can regenerate this energy, at least to some degree, so all is not lost.

Etheric energy is also sometimes called "vital energy" or "vital force". It is depleted in both men and women when there is loss of one’s vital sexual fluid. (http://www.drlwilson.com/ARTICLES/MASTURBATION.htm)

Could an administrator or moderator please have mercy on human intellect, and lock this ****ing thread and ban the original poster, already? Really...

To any non-sensative readers I agree with HairTalks little emotinal outburst. I also think this vital energy thing is a load of crap. However the man is very accuarate with the scietific part of the website and the loss of Zinc and Zinc's role in hair growth is what I was interested in. If you actually read the website he only begins to talk about his ideas on "Loss of Vital energy" after he explains the science on loss of zinc. People like hairtalk are far to upset to ever have a clear rational opinion on anything.

mothernature
07-10-2011, 08:29 AM
I'm sorry guys, i abstained for 3 weeks and even stopped all thoughts related to sex as much as I could. But last night I couldn't take it anymore. I jerked the chicken twice and now I feel guilty but happier than i felt in those 3 weeks where I abstained. I think no sex starts to make me depressed I'm not sure..:confused: But I will definitely do it much less often, but have decided I cannot go completely cold turkey unless there is conclusive proof that masturbation can increase rate of hairloss.

UK_
07-10-2011, 10:02 AM
Here's a snippet from a link posted by the clown who began this thread:

The etheric effect of masturbation. This is a depletion of a special type of subtle energy you were born with that you need in order to live a long, healthy life. You can regenerate this energy, at least to some degree, so all is not lost.

Etheric energy is also sometimes called "vital energy" or "vital force". It is depleted in both men and women when there is loss of one’s vital sexual fluid. (http://www.drlwilson.com/ARTICLES/MASTURBATION.htm)

Could an administrator or moderator please have mercy on human intellect, and lock this ****ing thread and ban the original poster, already? Really...

I agree - this guy is seriously pissing me off, he's messing us around with these utterly silly contentions, he started this thread by stating he had literally CURED male pattern baldness.

WHERES THE ****ING CURE?!?!???

How many accounts is this guy posting with?

Please, a request to the admin; close this thread and ban this complete jerk off from BTT.

Mojo Risin
07-10-2011, 12:09 PM
I'm sorry guys, i abstained for 3 weeks and even stopped all thoughts related to sex as much as I could. But last night I couldn't take it anymore. I jerked the chicken twice and now I feel guilty but happier than i felt in those 3 weeks where I abstained. I think no sex starts to make me depressed I'm not sure..:confused: But I will definitely do it much less often, but have decided I cannot go completely cold turkey unless there is conclusive proof that masturbation can increase rate of hairloss.

This is hilarious.
3 weeks ? You're a boss for lasting this long. I have trouble lasting 2 days.

BackwardsBalding
07-10-2011, 05:08 PM
I'm sorry guys, i abstained for 3 weeks and even stopped all thoughts related to sex as much as I could. But last night I couldn't take it anymore. I jerked the chicken twice and now I feel guilty but happier than i felt in those 3 weeks where I abstained. I think no sex starts to make me depressed I'm not sure..:confused: But I will definitely do it much less often, but have decided I cannot go completely cold turkey unless there is conclusive proof that masturbation can increase rate of hairloss.

I never went more then 3 weeks sense I started this 2 months ago. However each time it got easier. Also if you are loseing your hair and you have not tried the scalp exercises then you must include them. Its hard to get at first but be patient get control of those muscles that guy doesn't even realize how well what he uses works. Any major factor could be the leading reason behind hair loss so do all that I listed so that you make the strongest effort in regrowing hair and I know you will see results. Good luck

BackwardsBalding
07-10-2011, 05:19 PM
I agree - this guy is seriously pissing me off, he's messing us around with these utterly silly contentions, he started this thread by stating he had literally CURED male pattern baldness.

WHERES THE ****ING CURE?!?!???

How many accounts is this guy posting with?

Please, a request to the admin; close this thread and ban this complete jerk off from BTT.


Admin Admin Admin. I have made many efforts at calming the constant hate coming from this scorned individual but to be honest it's not working. Even though he could simply ignore the thread and allow the people who want to read it just that, he doesn't. He lashes, wines, cries, gets angry, and worst of all makea wild claims about every person who has just tried to include feedback.

@UK

I will tell you the truth UK. There is no cure for you. Not for baldness anyways. Because despite many attempts to be helped you remain skeptical of everything and you wouldn't know a cure if it landed on top of your head. The same science you wait on

UK_
07-11-2011, 06:17 AM
Admin Admin Admin. I have made many efforts at calming the constant hate coming from this scorned individual but to be honest it's not working. Even though he could simply ignore the thread and allow the people who want to read it just that, he doesn't. He lashes, wines, cries, gets angry, and worst of all makea wild claims about every person who has just tried to include feedback.

@UK

I will tell you the truth UK. There is no cure for you. Not for baldness anyways. Because despite many attempts to be helped you remain skeptical of everything and you wouldn't know a cure if it landed on top of your head. The same science you wait on

You started this thread by proclaiming on the Histogen thread you had cured male pattern baldness, where is the cure?

BackwardsBalding
07-11-2011, 10:00 AM
You started this thread by proclaiming on the Histogen thread you had cured male pattern baldness, where is the cure?

I don't have a cure for ignorance. However for the rest of us the steps I listed previously are methods to control or reverse hair loss. Anybody willing to try the methods listed will at the very least optimize the results from any hair loss treatment.

1.Increase blood flow (cold showers, eat peppers, stretching routines, massage head, do cardio,)
2. Strengthen Head muscles to keep constant good blood flow (scalp exercises getting control of your head muscles seen here) http://www.hairloss-reversible.com/my_approach.htm
3. Low levels of DHT with normal levels of Zinc (decrease ejaculation to no more then once every two weeks if you can go longer then do so, after ejaculation take zinc or eat something with zinc in it)
4. Keep your hair growing (regular sunlight everday, combing with boar brush)

Some of you early on said that there is not one reason for baldness. I couldn't agree more, follow all of these steps and you are sure to see better results then you ever imagined. Good luck

UK_
07-11-2011, 11:31 AM
I don't have a cure for ignorance. However for the rest of us the steps I listed previously are methods to control or reverse hair loss. Anybody willing to try the methods listed will at the very least optimize the results from any hair loss treatment.

1.Increase blood flow (cold showers, eat peppers, stretching routines, massage head, do cardio,)
2. Strengthen Head muscles to keep constant good blood flow (scalp exercises getting control of your head muscles seen here) http://www.hairloss-reversible.com/my_approach.htm
3. Low levels of DHT with normal levels of Zinc (decrease ejaculation to no more then once every two weeks if you can go longer then do so, after ejaculation take zinc or eat something with zinc in it)
4. Keep your hair growing (regular sunlight everday, combing with boar brush)

Some of you early on said that there is not one reason for baldness. I couldn't agree more, follow all of these steps and you are sure to see better results then you ever imagined. Good luck

You stated you had the cure for hair loss, where is it? The above methods will never take a NW6 to a NW1/2 nor will they prevent a NW2 heading toward the miserable pits of a NW5 - you have no cure, you have nothing, you have failed here, nobody here but your countless accounts agrees with your ridiculous theories.

I didnt join this website to hear rubbish about lowering DHT levels by touching your toes, I joined website to hear about news like this:

http://www.biotechnologie.de/BIO/Navigation/DE/Foerderung/foerderbeispiele,did=103250

Everyone on here is against you, cant you take a hint? lol

BackwardsBalding
07-11-2011, 12:44 PM
You stated you had the cure for hair loss, where is it? The above methods will never take a NW6 to a NW1/2 nor will they prevent a NW2 heading toward the miserable pits of a NW5 - you have no cure, you have nothing, you have failed here, nobody here but your countless accounts agrees with your ridiculous theories.

I didnt join this website to hear rubbish about lowering DHT levels by touching your toes, I joined website to hear about news like this:

http://www.biotechnologie.de/BIO/Navigation/DE/Foerderung/foerderbeispiele,did=103250

Everyone on here is against you, cant you take a hint? lol

Uk,

Is there an english version of the website you posted? I would like to read if its exciting news in hair loss. As for my theoretical methods you don't know what these methods will do as they have only just now been introduced together as a treatment option. I also don't know what these methods could yield I have only done them for two month and in no way have I finished seeing results. Either way there is not cure for you UK. Even if you find a "treatment" it will not bring years of your life back and if you are unable to rise above your negative feelings twards others because of your hairloss then not even a full head of hair will bring you happiness. I am sorry to say that nobody is against anybody here. This is an open forum, you are against your self on this one I hope you find piece.

Bald26
07-12-2011, 02:44 PM
today is 23rd day that I have tried to not masturbat3, but still have s3x about 2 times a week (some week it was 3). I have also stopped using Rogaine 2 days ago. Not that I'm going to stop using Rogaine completely, but my bottle is empty and before I'm gonna buy the new supply, I want to give this thing a try without involvement of Rogaine (maybe another month or until I see shedding again).

I have mentioned in my previous post that my shedding has slowed down a lot and it kept at that pace. I'm shedding very little. Also, my scalp is not as oily as it used to be anymore. However, I haven't seen any growth yet. Will update more.

BackwardsBalding
07-12-2011, 05:50 PM
today is 23rd day that I have tried to not masturbat3, but still have s3x about 2 times a week (some week it was 3). I have also stopped using Rogaine 2 days ago. Not that I'm going to stop using Rogaine completely, but my bottle is empty and before I'm gonna buy the new supply, I want to give this thing a try without involvement of Rogaine (maybe another month or until I see shedding again).

I have mentioned in my previous post that my shedding has slowed down a lot and it kept at that pace. I'm shedding very little. Also, my scalp is not as oily as it used to be anymore. However, I haven't seen any growth yet. Will update more.

Sweet! Yea that was the first thing I noticed, decreased shedding, and just like you said the oiliness of my scalp is gone. The next thing you will notice is your hair will start to stand up rather then be flat and little black terminal hairs should begin growing. PLEASE LOOK UP THE SCALP EXERCISES ITS HARD AT FIRST BUT ESSENTIAL TO HAIR HEALTH!!!! Also If you do ejaculate I suggest taking Zinc a few hours before or right after. I am finding a really close relationship between losing zinc in ejaculation and hair loss. Science believes Zinc block DHT and regulates Testosterone. They also believe that it is present in the hair follicle. Its main purpose in the body ironically is growth, so much so that severe Zinc deficiency causes growth retardation. They also believe that the body will start taking zinc from the hair first to make more seamen to ready your self for another ejaculation. I have thought of a theory on this now. With the information provided already it seems logical that after the first ejaculation the body depletes its Zinc that's been stored in the prostate and testicles. To regain Zinc in those areas a normal healthy diet would due however, If you ejaculate the same day the next day or even a few days later your body will need to come up with Zinc as fast as possible and the hair follicles is the first place they believe it comes from. So if you take zinc before or after depending on how fast it is absorbed and used, you may be able to ejaculate more frequently as long as you keep your zinc levels normal. This is just theory. I believe decreasing ejaculation to at the most every two weeks is the safest way to go for now. Don't forget the cold showers you can even fill up a large bowl of cold water put ice cubes in it, place it on the ground lean over it in a seated position and put your face in it. This will activate the Mammalian Diving Reflex, remember the importance of this is to create a one way circuit from the lungs to the head that will boost oxygen to the face and hair. You will feel the affects just look in the mirror and be amazed at the blood flow you see in your face. Be careful I am not a Doctor and any and all suggestions are not tested for safety you assume responsibility for your actions. Good luck

BackwardsBalding
07-12-2011, 06:57 PM
I have stated before I am the OP there was some confusion my original account was blocked and I had to change my name. Anyways my question is simple.

Do you as a skeptical reader find it conclusive evidence that in some way my theory is correct because castration is said to be 100% effective against MPB? If so, Do you also believe that if not using your testicles at all will completely prevent MPB then it would be safe to say using them less will either slow down or maybe if an optimal freuqency is found still prevent hair loss all together? If this is not enough do you also find it....ironic that our country unlike others whom have much less cases of MPB promotes frequent masturbation/sex? Do you also find it ironic that blood flow to the head in balding men is twice as low then a man with a full head of hair? Any skeptical or non skeptical readers feel free to speak up these are pressing matters if you are loseing your hair.

VictimOfDHT
07-12-2011, 08:41 PM
Is castration a sure way to stop hair loss ? I know I once read it was but is it 100% ? I mean some women go bald and they don't have testes. Some times I think about going to that extreme.

BackwardsBalding
07-12-2011, 09:25 PM
Is castration a sure way to stop hair loss ? I know I once read it was but is it 100% ? I mean some women go bald and they don't have testes. Some times I think about going to that extreme.

I hope that you’re joking. Castration for the sake of saving hair is ridiculous especially if just abstaining would have the same affect in theory. However, yes there was a study and its on my work computer it may be in my email I will post it soon. It’s an old study but yea there is a lot of belief in the studies authenticity. I hope my readers understand that I WOULD NEVER SUGGEST CASTRATION AS A FORM OF PREVENTING HAIRLOSS. Just the thought of it give me the willies. And women do not lose hair the same way men do allthough for women it is also a hormone problem at hand.

HairTalk
07-13-2011, 09:27 AM
Hey, could a good samaritan please tell my too-lazy-to-figure-it-out ass how to stop receiving e-mail–updates about this thread? These idiotic babblings long ago started to bore me, and I'd rather not be informed of the latest thing the idiot's babbled.

Thanks.

UK_
07-13-2011, 02:48 PM
Hey, could a good samaritan please tell my too-lazy-to-figure-it-out ass how to stop receiving e-mail–updates about this thread? These idiotic babblings long ago started to bore me, and I'd rather not be informed of the latest thing the idiot's babbled.

Thanks.

I believe you first click on 'User CP', find this god-awful thread on the list that appears of the threads you responded in and click "unsubscribe", that should do it... however I'd stay tuned to this one.... I think this guy baldingbackwards is close to a cure:D.

UK_
07-13-2011, 02:49 PM
Is castration a sure way to stop hair loss ? I know I once read it was but is it 100% ? I mean some women go bald and they don't have testes. Some times I think about going to that extreme.

I seriously think castration would probably stop further hair loss, but come on... lol.

BackwardsBalding
07-13-2011, 04:13 PM
I seriously think castration would probably stop further hair loss, but come on... lol.

The sole purpose of the testicles is producing sperm with the intention of reproduction. If cutting those testicles off thus removing the ability to do so will completely prevent MPB then I don't see why decreasing ejaculations is so hard to believe as part of an approach to prevent or reverse baldness. If propecia's number one side affect (loss of labido) is whats causing men to grow or keep there hair then whats all the fuss about. You guys are not thinking out side of the box. Ejaculation is taken for granted so much so that every time you blow your load into a towl or whatever just remember you have waisted vital amounts of Zinc,Magnesium, Vitamin E + Selenium. If you still are not convince by what I say pay close attention to the functions of the three of these. Look up on line how much you lose in an ejaculation then look up how much your intaking. You will see your body can not store Zinc and you do not take in enough to ejaculate every day let alone numerous times throughout the day. You will also see what Zinc does in the body and how it is essential to normal growth and regulating hormones.

mothernature
07-13-2011, 04:24 PM
BUT if you are taking zinc, mg supplements etc than it should be ok right? If you dont have sex after 1 week test goes up 150%. Therefore I am going to do it once a week, maybe twice. This thread has changed my behaviour so you have convinced some =)

BackwardsBalding
07-13-2011, 04:31 PM
BUT if you are taking zinc, mg supplements etc than it should be ok right? If you dont have sex after 1 week test goes up 150%. Therefore I am going to do it once a week, maybe twice. This thread has changed my behaviour so you have convinced some =)

Yea try it out for a while and measure how much Zinc your getting make sure to take Zinc right before your ejaculation so that it takes it from the blood stream not the hair follicles. Here is an interesting Link

http://www.muscle-health-fitness.com/raising-testosterone-levels.html

HairTalk
07-13-2011, 04:59 PM
I believe you first click on 'User CP', find this god-awful thread on the list that appears of the threads you responded in and click "unsubscribe", that should do it... however I'd stay tuned to this one.... I think this guy baldingbackwards is close to a cure:D.

Figured it out. Freedom feels sweet.

I'll wait to read Dr. Dickhead's ground-breaking discoveries in the next issue of The New England Journal of Medicine.

BackwardsBalding
07-13-2011, 05:53 PM
Figured it out. Freedom feels sweet.

I'll wait to read Dr. Dickhead's ground-breaking discoveries in the next issue of The New England Journal of Medicine.

Yes!!! one complaining skeptical down. Cant wait for that next article to come out either so that we can hear how far off curing hair loss is. Of course some new form of Propecia should be thrown at the hair loss community for them to ruin there sex lives, see mild to no results, and all the while waste a ton of money on nothing. Damn HairTalk if you cared so little about this thread you wouldn't have went out of your way to let everyone one know how much you dislike it. I believe I originally stated some men will not except giving up there ejaculation addiction no matter what the benefits are because as skeptical as they are even if we had concrete proof they would still be in there room with the blinds down watching hair losses biggest downfall .........Porn. No disrespect intended I too have divulged in Modern Mans biggest weakness also known as Sex Addiction accelerated by the internet's relentless supply of all you can watch free porn. Damn it Tiger you probably wouldn't be so bald if you were not working your shaft and putting your balls in holes your hole career or maybe cheating on your beautiful wife day in and day out did have its own consequences after all. For slower readers by Tiger I was referring to Tiger Woods, by balls I ment golf balls, and holes I was referring to the ones on a Golf Course. The consequences of cheating day in and day out are the same as ejaculating every day If you don't have kick ass circulation or naturally low levels of DHT then you will go bald......................in Theory.

BackwardsBalding
07-13-2011, 07:03 PM
Yea this is the OP, I really thought when I began all this research I was the first person to ever link ejaculation to hair loss but the more I look into it the more I realize I am not the first or the only. This link is exactaly what I have been saying and should be taken as vital to hair growth.

http://humancure.com/10-ways-to-thick-hair/

hairwanted
07-20-2011, 03:03 PM
seems interesting..... in Herbal..... they already said that Masturbation or ejaculation can cause hair loss and aging

hairwanted
07-20-2011, 04:37 PM
are bald people have more hairs on the body??

RichardDawkins
07-20-2011, 04:57 PM
Can Pigs fly?

UK_
07-20-2011, 05:09 PM
Richard, has anyone considered the 50 graft HST trial on HairSite yet?

BackwardsBalding
07-20-2011, 08:12 PM
Bald people have more hair on there face compared to what they had before they went bald. Thats because DHT activates hair else were on the body. Don't masturbate/sex too often if you really want to grow hairback quite for months and see whats happens. If not keep on at it atleast you will be able to rock Fear The Beards look or you could get on Propecia the miracles cure...Which can force you to quite ejaculating...hopefully not for good though.

hairwanted
07-20-2011, 09:31 PM
Bald people have more hair on there face compared to what they had before they went bald. Thats because DHT activates hair else were on the body. Don't masturbate/sex too often if you really want to grow hairback quite for months and see whats happens. If not keep on at it atleast you will be able to rock Fear The Beards look or you could get on Propecia the miracles cure...Which can force you to quite ejaculating...hopefully not for good though.

i have same no. of hairs on the body.... and arrms ... legs...

RichardDawkins
07-21-2011, 04:39 AM
Can someone finally ban this guy for posting nonsense and obviously trolling people?

BackwardsBalding
07-21-2011, 10:41 AM
i have same no. of hairs on the body.... and arrms ... legs...

Yes I pointed this out in previous posts. Originally I was under the impression that DHT grew hair elsewhere on the body but it turns out the only place high levels will promote is the face. The only thing you should notice during times of decreased hair on the head would be increased hair on the face. This certainly rained true for me.

RichardDawkins
07-21-2011, 06:34 PM
Bla bla bla bla yadda yadda you are obsessed with ejaculation

BackwardsBalding
07-22-2011, 07:15 PM
Bla bla bla bla yadda yadda you are obsessed with ejaculation

I understand that some people naturally are alway skeptical but this is crazy. You are obsessed with me. Stay off my posts bro its kinda weird now. I really hope your young because if not this would be very imature behavior for a grown man.

doke
07-23-2011, 01:28 AM
It also makes you go blind hahaha:D:D:D

BackwardsBalding
07-25-2011, 07:05 PM
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/185/450142019_a6bcc98e61.jpg


Actually It will make you go blind and lose your hair its obvious if you take one glance at what DHT gets to attack after your thyroid distributes the large amount from your Caratoid Artery into your head. You notice how DHT has the strongest affect as you move closer to the ends of those arteries that are actually branched into Capillaries. If you don't see the connection then you have just joined the very large ignorant public view. Good luck with your hair loss.

BackwardsBalding
08-03-2011, 05:28 PM
Its been almost two months sense I started this post under my original post name of ResearchNeverFails. I am writing this for the followers who have kept an open mind to my theories or as I see them facts. After two months I have went without ejaculating for 2 weeks three times now and 1 week every other time sense then. I have seen significant density increase and a great deal of little black hairs popping up all over my hair line in places I didn't realize I could even grow hair. It may take many months before any noticeable difference is visible in pictures but rest assured I will post them when ready. Good luck stick to the routine people it works!!!

BackwardsBalding
08-04-2011, 05:45 PM
(Propecia) Was designed to shrink the prostate. It does simply that. The prostate is where the majority of DHT is manufactured in your body. You can shrink your prostate naturally thus creating lower levels of DHT by decreasing ejaculations. How much you might ask? While trying to regain hair I suggest no more then once per month. While trying to maintain hair once per week may be OK but more likely it would once every two weeks. However, these numbers are not tested and only you know how often you do it and whatever that frequency is dramatically decrease it to both maintain and regain hair. Some may ask well I masturbated/sex all my life how come after my early twenties did I start losing hair? This is because your prostate begins growing at puberty and for most stops increasing at the early twenties when it has reached this size it is particularly vulnerable to ejaculations and If you think that is bad wait till it begins increasing in your 40's again then for some it will be very hard to maintain your hair because ejaculation frequency will have to be even less. Propecia side affects are no coincidence 1. Loss of Libido 2. Inability to obtain erection 3. Inability to ejaculate. The reason Propecia is dangerous especially for the young is the decreased prostate will lower all the male hormones when your prostate is not inflamed directly after ejaculating thus giving some people man boobs, loss of muscle tone and other feminine characteristics. I think Propecia should only be prescribed to men over the age of say......35 unfortunately this countries medical system is far past honest and reliable.

(Rogaine) Is a vasodilator, its active ingredient Minoxidil is referring to the chemical production of Nitric Oxide . Sure it works good at this however even better is the production of Nitric Oxide as it is manufactured naturally through your body during exercise. This does not include weight training I am refering to a light jog or brisk walk for 30 minutes once or twice per day make sure you break a sweat. Another great vasodilator that most people don't use in there day to day life is cold water. All the water on earth besides hot springs are below 70 degrees Fahrenheit for most of the year. The entire idea of showering in hot water is quite ridiculous and has terrible side affects including anxiety, irritable bowl syndrome, dry skin, hair loss, and much more. One cold shower and you will be thanking me the rest of your life. Some say a cold bath is better I feel it best to start off in Luke warm water and slowly decrease when it gets pretty cold I lean over and let the water run through my hair as the blood rushes and then stand up straight again letting the cold water fall down my body. Repeat this several times for a few minutes every time you take a shower you will instantly notice an increase in density and hair quality within a few days. No need for shampoo. Make sure you do not go out into a cold room after a cold shower and check with your doctor to see if its a good idea for you its believed very skinny people should not take cold showers or women who are pregnant.

(Tight Scalps Effects on frontal hair loss) if your front hairline is being formed to a odd shaped head then scalp laxity exercises as well regular scalp exercises will both help you look them up on-line.

Good luck let me know if you have any questions, take before after pictures, be patient and enjoy life.

BaldingBackwards @ hotmail.com free private advice anytime email me.

Medical Disclaimer: I am not a Licensed Physician. I am not employed by any company to promote or sell you anything what so ever. Any and all suggestions are information gained by me through personal research and if you do follow any of them you do so at your own risk. For any and all medical questions contact your Primary Care Provider or Local Emergency Department.

67mph
08-05-2011, 01:11 AM
...compelling.

MrRyan
08-07-2011, 08:46 AM
You say if you stop whacking off or having sex DHT will be lowered, so if this is the case would you not experience the same sides as Propecia after all Propecia works by blocking DHT, so one would think the lowered DHT you say you would get from abstinence would cause the same problems, but this obviously doesn't happen so i believe your theory is flawed for this very reason alone.

If you have an explanation to this i'm all ears.

BackwardsBalding
08-07-2011, 10:26 AM
You say if you stop whacking off or having sex DHT will be lowered, so if this is the case would you not experience the same sides as Propecia after all Propecia works by blocking DHT, so one would think the lowered DHT you say you would get from abstinence would cause the same problems, but this obviously doesn't happen so i believe your theory is flawed for this very reason alone.

If you have an explanation to this i'm all ears.

As mentioned in my post above Propecia shrinks the size of the prostate. This is exactly what it was made for nothing else and this is not my opinion either this is common knowledge. The side affects of shrinking your prostate too much are as followed; loss in libido, erectile dysfunctions, lower seaman quantity, inability to ejaculate, “man boobs”, loss of muscle tone. All of these side affects are the result of dangerously low male sex hormones that are being distributed by the shrunken prostate after it has already returned to its resting size. So to answer your question no you will not experience these side affects from abstinence. Why? Well it comes down to Physics at this point. No matter what when your done ejaculating your prostate is inflamed will need time to recover seaman and then inflammation will go down and it will return to its resting size. For your body and all of the features that rely on regular male sex hormones Propecia is decreasing just enough past that resting size to cause all of these sides. For early puberty that resting size is much smaller then early twenties or older. This is why most people do not lose hair no matter how often they ejaculate as an early teenager. They also do not have the facial hair and other attributes of these sex hormones. So when you reach your early twenties you have lost some hair on your head no matter who you are even if its unnoticeable, this regular loss in hair is actually more of a redistribution to your face meaning you have limited amount of growth hormones and DHT activates a good portion to start growing on your face as early as 16 and for some much later in life. In the early twenties your prostate has reached its final growth stage until later in life. You can look this up its common knowledge they just don’t tie hair loss into it. At this age you should have the affects of that higher prostate thus higher male sex hormones production, body hair, facial hair, higher sex drive and other affects as well. This early twenties size in prostate is when for most hair loss begins because now one ejaculation will increase the size of your prostate far past ever possible prior to this time. Its actually funny that nobody has realized all this because there are countless ties to the prostate and hair loss the one medication affective against hair loss (Propecia) is a medication for the prostate. I hope this is not too confusing basically in closing abstinence could never have the same powerful affect of the potent drug Propecia or any of its alternatives which is why the drug is used specifically to lower the size of the prostate. Don’t get hung up too much on my comments of abstinence shrinking the prostate by this I don’t mean shrinking it in the same way that Propecia does rather abstinence is stopping you from keeping it increased all the time thus lowering the circulating levels of hormones most importantly DHT. The hair loss treatment Propecia unfortunately is a sham and although it works the basic mechanism of its effectiveness is unknown other then well by me and my readers

http://ehealthmd.com/content/what-causes-prostate-enlarge

This link is for informational purposes only do no click on any links I dont endorse any products whats so ever. Just read the material if you want it explains prostate growth.

BackwardsBalding
08-07-2011, 12:15 PM
Donít forget if you smoke ciggeretts you can get cancer. That doesnít mean if you donít smoke you will not get cancer nor if you do are you certain to get it. The point is some people will lose there hair ejaculations or not especially as you get older however, I believe a vast majority of you are loseing it do to frequent ejaculations. If my theories and the studies I have posted are correct then in reality even those that would lose hair do to say, an oversized prostate at a really young age for some reason, are still at the very least speeding the process up if excessive ejaculations are occurring. Excessive is an unknown number to me and only by trial and error per person do I see way to figure out what the optimal frequency is for each individual. I remain confident in one fact only, ejaculations certainly caused the little hair loss that I have had and abstinence of has transformed a oily scalp with hair shedding all day into a dry strong scalp with hair growing back slowly but surly these are my observations and my suggestions remain accurate.

MambafortheWin
08-07-2011, 08:19 PM
here is a summary of my story.

1)Started peeing frequently more than usual at 19 years old.

2)Did research and found it was related to an enlarged prostate. I was dumb-founded because I thought only older men were affected from this disease. I then did research to find out how I could have contracted BPH. I found out that it was from elevated levels of Dht associated with a hormonal imbalance.

3) Soon after this I noticed I had lost a little bit of hair. Not much but I recognized this. I also noticed I had a good amount of facial hair at a young age and wondered why my friends did not. I also had hair on my chest whereas they were clean. I then researched and found that facial hair and body hair are secondary sex characteristics produced by sex hormones.

4)What was I doing that they were not? I asked myself. I was an only child, alone a lot, and learned about masturbation at a very young age from the older kids on my street. I engaged in this activity very frequently while my peers were focusing on sports, school, and other activities etc..

5) I then figured out that continuing this habit only made the situation worse as my hair started to thin a bit and my beard was becoming thicker. I was also starting to notice hair on my hands that hadn't been there before. Also I was peeing way too often and had pre-mature ejaculation. This is when I knew what I had to do.

6) I had to reverse the process if I wanted to be healthy again. I quit cold turkey and changed my life forever. My hair was restored when my prostate healed itself. I am now 20 and am abstain from unimportant sexual activity and my health has never been better. We as humans are the only mammals that can choose to overdue a good thing. Once we figure out that it is not good for us, we can make the choice to do what we know is smart, or continue in our foolish ignorance and continue to do what got us in this predicament in the first place. I changed my diet to organic fruits, leafy vegetables, and fish, and waited until my hair was completely restored before I knew I was fully healed.

One more important note. My findings are only for prostate related MPB problems. If you suffer from some kind of other disease which is causing balding I feel for you and wish you the best.

MambafortheWin
08-07-2011, 08:34 PM
Oh and one more thing,

The amount of time between bathroom trips when drinking the same amount of fluid is a good indication of how you are progressing in healing the prostate. Flow rate as well. I only drink water and green tea nowadays. Make sure to drink enough fluid throughout the day as to never be dehydrated. Dehydration is horrible for our organs and will cause irritation and infections such as Urinary Tract Infection. You will never get better unless you nourish your body properly. Time does not heal by itself. Nutrition combined with time and patience does.


P.S. I had a typo in my above story/thesis. *abstain should be abstaining

BackwardsBalding
08-07-2011, 09:18 PM
Oh and one more thing,

The amount of time between bathroom trips when drinking the same amount of fluid is a good indication of how you are progressing in healing the prostate. Flow rate as well. I only drink water and green tea nowadays. Make sure to drink enough fluid throughout the day as to never be dehydrated. Dehydration is horrible for our organs and will cause irritation and infections such as Urinary Tract Infection. You will never get better unless you nourish your body properly. Time does not heal by itself. Nutrition combined with time and patience does.


P.S. I had a typo in my above story/thesis. *abstain should be abstaining

Very interesting thanks for sharing. When you say you recovered or healed and gained your hair back could you reiterate. I strongly believe in my theory but my only doubts are in how much hair you could grow back. Did you recover all the hair you had and what is the longest you have abstained for? The diet is also key I am really trying to have people abstain and change there diet what vitamins if any do you take? Thanks for sharing such intimate details of your life itís a very courageous thing to do and certainly will benefit readers for years to come. Thanks again.

MambafortheWin
08-07-2011, 10:10 PM
I did not take any supplements. I changed to an all organic diet consisting of different fruits, nuts, whole grains, fish (primarily salmon and tuna), and green leafy vegetables such as broccoli, cauliflower, carrots, etc..

I do not know if I revived dead hair follies or not. I just know you could notice a bit receding and thinning in the front and my prostate was irritable and annoying.

But here is one huge thing I figured out for myself,

I stopped wearing clothes and stayed at my mother's house until I was healed. I found that clothes would rub my penis and trick my overly sensitive reproductive system into thinking it was time for another premature ejaculation. This was very frustrating as it clogged yhe prostate with pre-cum and would delay healing. So I found that stopping this would speed up the healing process. My mother let me take a extended break from school and daily life because I convinced her I knew what I was talking about. I showed her the hair loss and my bathroom trip frequency. I told her that life without great health, is no life at all, and it is simply me being stuck, like a rock on the side of a stream, while the river passes in front of me. I got that line from a movie, it described my situational hell I was in perfectly.

Soon after that I began healing quickly. I got to the point where my groin area didn't feel congested, and my urine to began to flow with great ease. I was a new man, and I knew I was recovering. It took me about a month to see my hairline come back to where I felt it was suppose to be. After about a full month of making sure I was fully recovered, I was then able to put clothes on again and resume life. My penis and prostate are not overly sensitive anymore. I do not masturbate at all anymore. I am abstinent and will remain so until I find the right girl, and I will never overdue the amount of sexual activity ever again.

p.s. I did masturbate one time after it had been a while to make sure the premature ejaculation was gone and I had made a full recovery. It was a long session that lasted a good, roughly about 20-25 minutes before ejaculating. I am now a healthy man.

MambafortheWin
08-07-2011, 10:15 PM
When I say it took about a month for my hair to fill back in, that was after I had pretty much for sure healed my prostate. It was a process, not an overnight occurrence.

doke
08-08-2011, 01:19 AM
I heaed that it was good for the prostate to masturbate as much as possible as it keeps the prostate healthy.:eek:

RichardDawkins
08-08-2011, 01:24 AM
Oh ow another new registered 4 post user with n amazing story. Man how many super spastics are running around and who do you wanna fool here.

MambafortheWin
08-08-2011, 01:30 AM
Ok Doke, if you believe the more one masturbates, the healthier his prostate, masturbate three times a day for one month straight, and then tell me how that prostate health is coming along. A man holds vital nutrients in his reproductive system, and the more you deplete those minerals with over use and abuse of your system, the less healthy you will find yourself, I promise.

doke
08-08-2011, 02:41 AM
He also holds the testostorone and dht which causes prostate cancer and increases the size as we get older,if you take zinc suppliments and also prostate natural formulas then you can address any losses of vits.:eek:;)

BackwardsBalding
08-08-2011, 12:14 PM
I heaed that it was good for the prostate to masturbate as much as possible as it keeps the prostate healthy.:eek:


Yes I believe it comes down to one very simple statement. Everything is ok in moderation.

BackwardsBalding
08-08-2011, 12:25 PM
Oh ow another new registered 4 post user with n amazing story. Man how many super spastics are running around and who do you wanna fool here.

The real question is what draws you back to this thread day in and day out? I think the kid shared some intimate secrets and some how managed to get a grip on reality in his process of discovery. Something I could only hope that you may experience some day. Its not that sex/masturbation are bad or good its the knowledge that like anything there is a trade off and only now to you get to make that choice because the choice is finally there. Take it for what it is MR. Dawkins but I suggest when somebody contributes to a forum with sucher personal information who has already solved his hair loss issue well maybe a little gratitude would be in order.

BackwardsBalding
08-08-2011, 12:42 PM
He also holds the testostorone and dht which causes prostate cancer and increases the size as we get older,if you take zinc suppliments and also prostate natural formulas then you can address any losses of vits.:eek:;)

http://men.webmd.com/news/20100319/early-balding-may-cut-prostate-cancer-risk

Yea it wil help lower cancer risk about the same percent as if your balding young.

MambafortheWin
08-08-2011, 01:04 PM
I honestly do not care if you guys on here take my advice or insight. I shared my story to help any man out there struggling with an ENLARGED PROSTATE and related balding to that condition. Ejaculation is simply not good for you because of the nutrients and minerals we lose from it. If one has an enlarged prostate and suffers balding from it, one must abstain from ejaculation, because over ejaculation is most likely the cause of your prostate problems in the first place. Give your prostate much needed time to heal and be nourished. I as a deist believe we were intelligently designed, and when we have an enlarged prostate and begin balding from it, your body is trying to tell one that you are hurting yourself.

Good luck gents.

BackwardsBalding
08-08-2011, 07:10 PM
I honestly do not care if you guys on here take my advice or insight. I shared my story to help any man out there struggling with an ENLARGED PROSTATE and related balding to that condition. Ejaculation is simply not good for you because of the nutrients and minerals we lose from it. If one has an enlarged prostate and suffers balding from it, one must abstain from ejaculation, because over ejaculation is most likely the cause of your prostate problems in the first place. Give your prostate much needed time to heal and be nourished. I as a deist believe we were intelligently designed, and when we have an enlarged prostate and begin balding from it, your body is trying to tell one that you are hurting yourself.

Good luck gents.


I had never heard of Deism but I looked it up that pretty much sums up how I feel I'm glad you posted about it. It sounds a lot like creationism (sp). Anyway seriously thank you a lot for coming on here and sharing such a private issue you have made a good contribution to this thread and its readers. Also careful with the statement "ejaculation is not good for you" I would have to disagree my argument is only referring to excessive ejaculation not being good for you allthough I am not sure yet what would be excessive. I am an avid believer that if you do not use something you lose it. With that said I certainly am open to the idea that prolonged periods in your life may be just what your prostate needs to get a good rest as you pointed out. If you impregnated your mate instinctively in the wild that would give you a little over a 9 month period of resting so that amount of time wouldn't be hard to believe as a good rest period. Once again thanks for sharing.

BackwardsBalding
08-09-2011, 12:33 PM
http://joe.endocrinology-journals.or...3/439.abstract shows that levels of dangerous hormones for hair rises after ejaculation

http://www.hairloss-research.org/Ginkgo.html scroll to the second study it shows the significant decrease in blood flow to the balding areas where as people not balding had no decrease in blood flow at all

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12506329 study showing a rise in testosterone after day 7 of abstience suggesting a week is how long it takes for your body to balance its hormones out.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8875519 link that shows Zinc deffecient people have less tesosterone, you lose a significant amount of Zinc in you ejaculation along with other vital growth nutrients

http://www.bmj.com/content/310/6990/1289.full This study should have been followed with more because it single handedly proves my theory and shows that just one extra ejaculation a week in young men will rise your DHT levels if that is not proof please somebody tell me how?

hairwanted
08-09-2011, 03:31 PM
@backward. to some extent i agree with u . i used to do lot masturbation. and i saw mostly that after marriage in our society (pak) people loss their hairs. But i dont understand that why some people dont go bald after marriage with regular sex? i think its genetic. My friend feel horny all the time and now he is married and did not lose any hair. in our herbal science masturbation considered enemy of beauty and energy. But in modern medical science they say its normal.

and why some baldy dont have hairs on the body and even less hairs on the face.

Kamui85
08-09-2011, 03:34 PM
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12506329 study showing a rise in testosterone after day 7 of abstience suggesting a week is how long it takes for your body to balance its hormones out.



im a little confuse, if after 7 days testosterone RISES, then one should limit to one ejaculation a week? i thought you said to regrow hai one should limit oneself to 1 ejcaculation a month... or is it that afet 1 week of abstinence it goes BACK to normal levels?

BackwardsBalding
08-09-2011, 03:58 PM
im a little confuse, if after 7 days testosterone RISES, then one should limit to one ejaculation a week? i thought you said to regrow hai one should limit oneself to 1 ejcaculation a month... or is it that afet 1 week of abstinence it goes BACK to normal levels?

The point of this study is that this rise in Testosterone happens without fail on the 7th day of abstience. I believe that after one week you are at normal levels like you pointed out however to have lost hair you must have ejaculated way to often so in order to regrow hair you must do the opposite of what made you lose it. So yes all though normal levels are achieved after only 7 days all that suggests is that may be a healthy number for a person with fairly good circulation to the head to maintain hair but in order to regrow you must go much longer maybe periods of months of abstinece.

BackwardsBalding
08-09-2011, 04:22 PM
@backward. to some extent i agree with u . i used to do lot masturbation. and i saw mostly that after marriage in our society (pak) people loss their hairs. But i dont understand that why some people dont go bald after marriage with regular sex? i think its genetic. My friend feel horny all the time and now he is married and did not lose any hair. in our herbal science masturbation considered enemy of beauty and energy. But in modern medical science they say its normal.

and why some baldy dont have hairs on the body and even less hairs on the face.


The reason your friend can be frequently sexually active an not lose his hair is simple. It can be one of these or both and can vary especially as you get older 1. A relatively small prostate or 2. Very good circulation to the head. These are genetic factors that explain why balding has ties to genetics yet regardless of your family history you may still lose hair or may not.

MrRyan
08-10-2011, 10:20 AM
So i have a question to the OP, i'm a little uncertain on your view on how effective abstinence is on MPB as some of the posts contradict, as some say it will stop hair loss and others say it may not be completely effective, can you just clarify your view please.

BackwardsBalding
08-10-2011, 11:02 AM
So i have a question to the OP, i'm a little uncertain on your view on how effective abstinence is on MPB as some of the posts contradict, as some say it will stop hair loss and others say it may not be completely effective, can you just clarify your view please.

MrRyan. I am the OP sorry if you have been confused but I have posted in the past that this is my new account and all the posts on it are from me. My accounts are ResearchNeverFails, Backwardbalding, and baldingbackwards. To clarify I strongly believe that ejaculation is the Catlyst to MPB. I believe abstinence in intervals of 1 month or more will grow some hair back but certainly retain the hair you have. So to answer your question. Yes. Abstinence should be offered as a treatment option alone and in conjuction with ways to increase blood flow. Exercise is my best suggestion however Rogaine is a vasodilater so feel free to give the two a try. Good luck let me know if you have a questions. BTW my hair is truly transformed sense I began going a few weeks without ejaculating for the last two months. The oilyness is gone its thickened everywhere and little black hairs along my hair line are popping up. good luck

BackwardsBalding
08-10-2011, 07:10 PM
http://joe.endocrinology-journals.org/content/70/3/439.abstractshows that levels of dangerous hormones for hair rises after ejaculation

http://www.hairloss-research.org/Ginkgo.html scroll to the second study it shows the significant decrease in blood flow to the balding areas where as people not balding had no decrease in blood flow at all

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12506329 study showing a rise in testosterone after day 7 of abstience suggesting a week is how long it takes for your body to balance its hormones out.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8875519 link that shows Zinc deffecient people have less tesosterone, you lose a significant amount of Zinc in you ejaculation along with other vital growth nutrients

http://www.bmj.com/content/310/6990/1289.full This study should have been followed with more because it single handedly proves my theory and shows that just one extra ejaculation a week in young men will rise your DHT levels if that is not proof please somebody tell me how

Cory
08-11-2011, 04:24 AM
You're idea is the longer you abstain from ejaculation the more hair you will grow, and then twice a month for mantain hair.

BackwardsBalding
08-11-2011, 01:10 PM
You're idea is the longer you abstain from ejaculation the more hair you will grow, and then twice a month for mantain hair.

This must be combined with a force that increases blood flow via jogging and cold showers as explained before. Twice a month might not be accurate for some once a week may be fine but certainly never more then that and never consecutive either. If trying to regrow hair I suggest going as long as possible once per month would be benifical.

MrRyan
08-12-2011, 08:32 AM
Hello OP, i was wondering if you know about a study Harvard medical completed on sexual frequency and levels of DHT, you may find it interesting, anyway i have a few questions for you if you don't mind. I am not going to take Propecia as it is just too much of a risk for me after i heard some doctors say it may even be possible that it can permanently change neurological pathways, the more i look in to it the more i can't believe it's FDA approved. I would like to know if you think the reason Propecia works for some is because it decreases sexual desire, ie: side effects, as it seems the more side effects people have the more efficient at stopping hair loss the drug is.

Also i would like to know can a persons prostate be permanently damaged from excessive ejaculation, or can any damage done be reversed, i ask this as i will admit it i did used to have an addiction and would sometimes masturbate straight after an ejaculation, i know bad but thats how it was, the reason i ask is there isn't any genetic hair loss in my family, i'm talking two generations back that i know of, my grandads had slight temple recession but lots of hair in their 70's 80's and no way in their 20's like me, and i'm trying to work out why this is happening to me, if it's not genetic there must be another reason.

Another question is i go to the gym five times a week not to build massive muscle, but lean because i do alot of cardio, i was wondering if this is having a detrimental effect for my hair as i can't find any good solid studies on weight training and DHT levels, i am in the hope that the increased blood flow would be beneficial to my hair health, i also use the sauna and then have a cold shower, do you think this is a good thing to do or bad ?

I also have started to take biotin and an additional skin hair and nails supplement, i have improved my diet massively and now drink lots of water, and i was wondering if there was anything that would help improve blood supply to the scalp, i'm sorry if some of my questions have gone a little off topic, but i'm not very knowlegeable in terms of human biology and from reading your posts you seem to be, and are also kind enough to answer any questions asked.

Although i was a little suspicious of your theory at first, i have looked in to it and it does make some sense and has studies to back up the fact it affects DHT levels, i would like to know do you have anyone else trying this out apart from yourself ? So as i'm not in a relasionship at this moment in time i am willing to give this a try, if i do try this out what sort of time frame would you expect me to start seeing results one month 2 months or three and over ? Also if you would like any information from me while i am doing this please feel free to ask and i hope i can assist you with determining the efficacy of this "treatment"

Thank you for taking the time to read and answer my questions.

BackwardsBalding
08-12-2011, 11:26 AM
MR Ryan. Some of your questions can easily be answered by reading back the last few pages on this thread. Even though I will answer them I suggest reading back through the last few pages at least, really you should read the whole thread. For instance I have already described that Propecia may only be as good as the side affects you are getting. Not because all that Propecia is doing is causing those sides but rather getting those sides shows your prostate is being decreased enough for effectiveness in treating hair loss. I agree it’s a medication thrown onto the FDA list that should not be there and like many medications has terrible trade offs. As far as the prostates healing process, another reader in the thread on the last few pages described how he had to let his prostate heal with abstinence. Your prostate is inflamed and producing high levels of hormones. So not using it for an extended period of time will do the opposite and allow it to return to a resting size. It’s ok if you don’t get it the first few times it takes practice but do your best and try to get to about a month without for the initial rest. You will have to quit porn and even change the channel when seeing women that attract these types of triggers are what causes our countries excessive ejaculation problem in the first place. After this initial resting faze if you do start ejaculating again to re-grow hair I say once every two weeks or the longer the better. Quit masturbating and spend that time bettering your self so you can score a hot chick. Even when you do succeed at beginning a relationship your lack of sexual compulsiveness will make her desire you even more. Win Win. Obviously you don’t want seem immune to hear sexuality as this will surely turn any women away as they want to feel desired; however every relationship ends up with the man wanting way more sex then the women and you will have this age old problem conquered. Your regimen sounds great! No heavy weight training and when you do exercise take zinc/magnesium or just a daily vitamin 30 minutes before. The big problem with weight training is the loss of Zinc and when there is a lack of it will steal from the hair follicle. Our country and all its processed foods are very much Zinc deficient. Saunas then cold shower sound great make sure the cold shower is directly after though. Your healthy eating habits are great it sound like the only thing you need to include with is the most important is resting time for the prostate via decreased ejaculations. My only questions for you are. How old are you? How early did you start ejaculating? What are you on the Norwood scale? What is your frontal balding like? Is your head shaped weird? Do you have a big forehead? Can you take before pictures and record you ejaculations to verify effectiveness? Thanks let me know if I missed anything.

MrRyan
08-12-2011, 11:54 AM
I apologize if i asked questions that have already been covered, it is a shame i must decrease my weight training as i do it not for vanity reasons it's more a therapeutic thing for me and i feel great afterwards in a strange tired kind of way, is it because it will increase testosterone and DHT or is it because it will deplete my vitamins and minerals, as i believe i have this covered with diet and supplementation if it is the latter.

I'm 28 years old, i started ejaculating when i was around 13 years old, at this moment in time i still have a full head of hair, but it has thinned out some in the temple region, but i still have my complete hairline, but it seems the hair on my temples are a little thinner and lighter coloured than the rest of my blond hair, and hair seems less dense on the top of my head in places. As of now my hair loss is only noticeable to me, my head is very proportionately shaped, i will take pictures although i am a little weary of posting on an open forum as i am a private person.

savemyhair
08-12-2011, 12:06 PM
I think that, at least for some people, ejaculation frecuency has a lot to do with our hair loss. I first notice losing hairs about 5 years ago (im 30 now). And i do remember i increased my frecuency about that time, so i think it might have triggered or accelerated my hair loss. But again, it could be just a coincidence.

I still have a lot of hair, but im getting worried because all of my hair is getting thinner, the hairs that fall during shower are extremely thin, so i think the hair loss is accelerating.

Backwardsbalding, at this point i do believe we can slow down or even halt the hair loss by avoiding ejeculation completely, but obviosly, thats not a viable soluition for most people. I dont think i could go "cold turkey" as some said, and even if i do, it might take years to grow back any significant amount of hair.

To me, the only thing we can realistically try is to reduce the frecuency. Say you use to do it 3 times a day, well now do it just once and see how much it helps. After all, we didnt start all this by ejaculation just once a day.

By the way, im curious, why did you ask about the big forehead? I do have it :)


Excuse any misspelling, im from mexico so english is not my first language.

BackwardsBalding
08-12-2011, 04:15 PM
@MrRyan.

If you are in taking enough vitamins weight training is not bad but why donít you just substitute push ups, sit ups and pull ups for weight training during the time you are trying to re-grow hair? They may not work as fast but eventually you will build muscle all the same. Unless youíre trying to get huge light exercises are better for your muscles, joints and ligaments anyways. Glad to hear you have only thinned like I have which means we have the highest chance of the most re-growth possible. Keep me posted and donít worry about the questions I am glad to help. You should see my hair line its not like one or two hairs have popped up its more like a gang of them all over my hair line too many to count. This method is working wonders.

@Savemyhair

You said, ďTo me, the only thing we can realistically try is to reduce the frequency. Say you use to do it 3 times a day, well now do it just once and see how much it helps. After all, we didnít start all this by ejaculation just once a dayĒ

- I agree with this very much. However in regards to the physical response your body has following an ejaculation I would say once per week is the most one should do and I can not guarantee that will do anything relatively fast but might at least halt the hair loss or slow it down. I really think 2 weeks or longer should be the goal for everyone trying to re-grow hair.

ďBy the way, im curious, why did you ask about the big forehead? I do have it Ē

-As you age your head keeps expanding. The pressure from the skin pressing firmly against your tiny capillaries bringing blood flow to the front region of your head gets worse over time. To relieve this lack of blood flow to the front of the head you need to keep your skin lose like when you were young. Look up scalp laxity exercises (done before hair transplants) then Look up Tom Hagertyís scalp exercises (hard at first but you will get it). You want to do the laxity exercises then follow them with Toms scalp exercises. Do them everyday for a few months to loosen the scalp be gentle donít tug hard on your hair. Now that I made this point you will start to notice really bald men have a very tight scalp and there opposites have a very lose scalp (George Bush look it up lol). George bush permanently contacts the muscles that you will do in the scalp exercises (which give him the lines in his head). You can see why itís been easy for him to unknowingly retain such a good head of hair to this day in his old age.

BTW: Your english is great never would have known that it was not your first Language. Granted as most people on here will be able to tell you my grammar is not the greatest. I often type what I think and then re-read it and it doesnít make sense. Probably should have proofread some of my original post because they were terrible.

Bald Dude
08-14-2011, 10:37 PM
Are there any pictures of progress? i'm new here, but want to view the site.

Bald Dude
08-14-2011, 10:39 PM
I'm a bit unsure as to what is meant by ejaculation. Is it because by ejaculating, you trigger a release of some hormones which will weaken the hair?

Cory
08-15-2011, 11:54 AM
He means that reason some people have positive results with Propecia mostly includes lower sex drive, and that you can achieve same thing by apstinence.

doke
08-16-2011, 01:57 AM
i had problems with avodart so went back to proscar and take half tablet a day with no problems,guys some people have side affects with the natural dht blockers.:eek:

Bald Dude
08-16-2011, 08:36 PM
He means that reason some people have positive results with Propecia mostly includes lower sex drive, and that you can achieve same thing by apstinence.

Clearly, there should be someone doing this and giving it a shot right? Why hasnt' anyone taken up the challenge yet?

Samiam
08-16-2011, 08:42 PM
I haven't ejaculated in 2 , months and just recently started the cold showers. Nothing special to report but I can say a month after stopping ejaculations my hair was feeling better than I started taking saw palmetto which.caused a horrible shed.

Bald Dude
08-16-2011, 11:41 PM
I haven't ejaculated in 2 , months and just recently started the cold showers. Nothing special to report but I can say a month after stopping ejaculations my hair was feeling better than I started taking saw palmetto which.caused a horrible shed.

I'm going to try this. I think a good two month I should be able to tell. Seeing my younger photos, I can clearly see the transition in myself. I use to be able to grow hair at about 5-8 inches long, but now, they are more like 3-5 inches before they shed.

I think a lot is due to genetics, but if I can have thicker and denser hair, I will definitely attribute it to this.

cs2
08-19-2011, 12:50 AM
Thank you very much.

I also believe that there is some relationships between ejaculation, male hormone and hair loss.

I was ejaculated a lot in the past. Almost 4 ~ 5 times per week for the past 20 years. And now I have a very advanced hair loss when compare with the people at my age. It is NW 5 already.

As a NW 5 baldy, I have to do anything to regrow my hair.

I am taking finasteride (1/5 proscar), Minoxidil and Nizoral now. They are so called big 3.

And I have dramatically reduced the number of ejaculation.
In the past 120 days, I only have ejaculation in 4 days.
But it is too early for the hair regrowth.

As Fin and Monix take one year to notice result, I think I will continue for one year.

And I hope after 1 year, I can regrow my hair.

cs2
08-19-2011, 01:53 AM
HI "BackwardsBalding"

Regarding to the zinc, I know that semen has high content of zinc.

The more the ejaculation, the zinc is losed.
It is better to take zinc supplement to fight hairloss.

I am now taking the zinc for 2 weeks of time already. And I will keep taking it just as fin.

hairwanted
08-19-2011, 04:09 PM
HI "BackwardsBalding"



I read this news story about the last eunuch in China, named Sun Yaoting. At only 8 years old he was castratedÖ and looking at photos of him before his death in 1996 shows he was clearly bald.

BackwardsBalding
08-20-2011, 10:27 AM
HI "BackwardsBalding"



I read this news story about the last eunuch in China, named Sun Yaoting. At only 8 years old he was castrated… and looking at photos of him before his death in 1996 shows he was clearly bald.

Most people who are castrated lose there ability to ejaculate although like I have said in the past it's the prostate that converts t into dht not the testicles which are removed in castration. So depending on his age or if he lost that ability to ejaculate would be important information. It's also important to note low levels of dht are naturally in your body and by 60 or 70 the circulation will be so terrible to the head even these low amounts will surely attack the hair follicles. That's right peopl these methods will help to delay hair loss but not forever unless you are diligent in staying healthy everyone will lose there hair when they are old.

Jcm800
08-20-2011, 10:31 AM
I see old age pensioners with full heads of hair, not everyone loses their hair when they're old, and no doubt they were wanking and shagging throughout their lives.

Kamui85
08-20-2011, 02:12 PM
On my 29th day of abstention, the longest I have been able to be all my life, I experienced a little pain and upon going to the bathroom I urinated a little bit of semen. Does this count as an ejaculation? I still shed and havenít noticed any progress at allÖ Still Iím continuing this for a second month straight.

BackwardsBalding
08-20-2011, 10:07 PM
I see old age pensioners with full heads of hair, not everyone loses their hair when they're old, and no doubt they were wanking and shagging throughout their lives.

Like I have said in the past circulation for some will allow them to dodge hair loss all together.

BackwardsBalding
08-20-2011, 10:13 PM
On my 29th day of abstention, the longest I have been able to be all my life, I experienced a little pain and upon going to the bathroom I urinated a little bit of semen. Does this count as an ejaculation? I still shed and haven’t noticed any progress at all… Still I’m continuing this for a second month straight.

Your doing great don't pay attention to shedding it's pointless. You haven't noticed a decease in oils in your hair? The seaman expelling is normal however I am not a doctor consult yours for health related questions. Are you exercising and doing scalp exercises/stretches. Taking multivitamin especially zinc? If yes too all these then good and remember that propecia can take a year to see noticeable results so be patient with theses methods and don't over do it once every two months no longer. I am a strong believer in if you don't use it you lose it so don't hold out too long.

doke
08-21-2011, 01:57 AM
your barking up the wrong tree as its in you faulty hair loss genes they think its on the mothers side.:eek:

BackwardsBalding
08-21-2011, 09:14 AM
your barking up the wrong tree as its in you faulty hair loss genes they think its on the mothers side.:eek:

Any knowledgeable doctor will tell you this mothers side genetics thing is very unreliable. It's been ruled out now in fact they started using the term "genetics play a factor" after men with no hair loss on either side were losing Their hair and visa versa. The onlything you may get genetic from your parents will be head shape and size with relative blood flow az well as prostate size with relative libido. So like they already believe genetics to play a roll but ultimately you control when and how fast you will lose your hair.

doke
08-21-2011, 09:42 AM
who the hell is this guy he knows nothing and comes here with wild claims about masturbation,i think you maybe a eunuch hahaha:eek:

BackwardsBalding
08-21-2011, 12:51 PM
who the hell is this guy he knows nothing and comes here with wild claims about masturbation,i think you maybe a eunuch hahaha:eek:

I never said masturbation MORON! I said ejaculation! If like me you have game then too much sex would be the same as jacking it. I am getting tired of answering nerds questions trying to help negative, skeptical, jack asses. I told you my theories you don't like them close your blinds and do what you do best but stop commenting on a thread your so sure is false.

Bald Dude
08-21-2011, 01:16 PM
I did not take any supplements. I changed to an all organic diet consisting of different fruits, nuts, whole grains, fish (primarily salmon and tuna), and green leafy vegetables such as broccoli, cauliflower, carrots, etc..

I do not know if I revived dead hair follies or not. I just know you could notice a bit receding and thinning in the front and my prostate was irritable and annoying.

But here is one huge thing I figured out for myself,

I stopped wearing clothes and stayed at my mother's house until I was healed. I found that clothes would rub my penis and trick my overly sensitive reproductive system into thinking it was time for another premature ejaculation. This was very frustrating as it clogged yhe prostate with pre-cum and would delay healing. So I found that stopping this would speed up the healing process. My mother let me take a extended break from school and daily life because I convinced her I knew what I was talking about. I showed her the hair loss and my bathroom trip frequency. I told her that life without great health, is no life at all, and it is simply me being stuck, like a rock on the side of a stream, while the river passes in front of me. I got that line from a movie, it described my situational hell I was in perfectly.

Soon after that I began healing quickly. I got to the point where my groin area didn't feel congested, and my urine to began to flow with great ease. I was a new man, and I knew I was recovering. It took me about a month to see my hairline come back to where I felt it was suppose to be. After about a full month of making sure I was fully recovered, I was then able to put clothes on again and resume life. My penis and prostate are not overly sensitive anymore. I do not masturbate at all anymore. I am abstinent and will remain so until I find the right girl, and I will never overdue the amount of sexual activity ever again.

p.s. I did masturbate one time after it had been a while to make sure the premature ejaculation was gone and I had made a full recovery. It was a long session that lasted a good, roughly about 20-25 minutes before ejaculating. I am now a healthy man.

I find it difficult to grasp that one can just make claims here that going cold turkey from ejaculation will be a cure all. I don't believe it. Are bald people that have obvious patterns more responsive to this? Can the federal chairman revers his balding by abstinence? I don't know.

And is TOM BRADY or David Beckham like this? I don't think so.

BackwardsBalding
08-21-2011, 02:02 PM
I find it difficult to grasp that one can just make claims here that going cold turkey from ejaculation will be a cure all. I don't believe it. Are bald people that have obvious patterns more responsive to this? Can the federal chairman revers his balding by abstinence? I don't know.

And is TOM BRADY or David Beckham like this? I don't think so.

My hair was not that bad to begin with honestly not much loss at all. I know for a fact that I can halt the current type of hair loss that I was experiencing by decreasing ejaculations down to at most maybe once a week. Your own number frequencies and sensitivity to them are unknown to me. I have laid out all the information on the topic perfectly for anybody to read. At the very least you can all say you were warned. Unlike men previous too you this knowledge is now available and to write off ejaculation as irrelevant to hair loss would be absurd. If you are reading this you have been warned. Ten years down the road there will be no excuses for you. Sex is amazing but like anything its ok only in moderation.

Samiam
08-21-2011, 02:12 PM
My hair was not that bad to begin with honestly not much loss at all. I know for a fact that I can halt the current type of hair loss that I was experiencing by decreasing ejaculations down to at most maybe once a week. Your own number frequencies and sensitivity to them are unknown to me. I have laid out all the information on the topic perfectly for anybody to read. At the very least you can all say you were warned. Unlike men previous too you this knowledge is now available and to write off ejaculation as irrelevant to hair loss would be absurd. If you are reading this you have been warned. Ten years down the road there will be no excuses for you. ex is amazing but like anything its ok only in moderation.
People trying ths will see soon enough, I really hope for them its not bs

RichardDawkins
08-21-2011, 03:09 PM
This bs thread is still on? My gosh

Bald Dude
08-22-2011, 10:29 PM
My hair was not that bad to begin with honestly not much loss at all. I know for a fact that I can halt the current type of hair loss that I was experiencing by decreasing ejaculations down to at most maybe once a week. Your own number frequencies and sensitivity to them are unknown to me. I have laid out all the information on the topic perfectly for anybody to read. At the very least you can all say you were warned. Unlike men previous too you this knowledge is now available and to write off ejaculation as irrelevant to hair loss would be absurd. If you are reading this you have been warned. Ten years down the road there will be no excuses for you. Sex is amazing but like anything its ok only in moderation.

So what bout other conditions like shedding at x-length, or miniaturization? Do you think it all plays some role, or not really? Or is this geared towards entirely on the bald aspect?

Basically my understanding is that while we maintain to control DHT somewhat, we can allow the hair cycles to grow and heal itself? Is this the scientific reasoning?

I will put this to the test. I think 3 months in, I should start seeing some results?

BackwardsBalding
08-23-2011, 12:42 PM
So what bout other conditions like shedding at x-length, or miniaturization? Do you think it all plays some role, or not really? Or is this geared towards entirely on the bald aspect?

Basically my understanding is that while we maintain to control DHT somewhat, we can allow the hair cycles to grow and heal itself? Is this the scientific reasoning?

I will put this to the test. I think 3 months in, I should start seeing some results?

Yes that's my reasoning and I think three months should be a good time for the naked eye to start noticing difference. Up to a year or longer hopefully for continued regrowth and density increase I guess only time will tell. Good luck.

mothernature
08-24-2011, 05:59 AM
masturbation increases Testosterone, not DHT. Your body doesn't produce more 5ar when you masturbate. If you are masturbate excessively (7 times a week) then maybe hair counts might decrease a little.

However I think this issue has been blown out of proportion.

masturbate moderately, take fin and a zinc supplement.

BackwardsBalding
08-24-2011, 10:07 AM
masturbation increases Testosterone, not DHT. Your body doesn't produce more 5ar when you masturbate. If you are masturbate excessively (7 times a week) then maybe hair counts might decrease a little.

However I think this issue has been blown out of proportion.

masturbate moderately, take fin and a zinc supplement.

Again with this word masturbation I feel the need to correct you in case somebody scans over this thread and takes from this masturbation causes balding not ejaculations by any means. Its not masturbation but rather excessive ejaculation, to whatever degree in your body is considered excessive, that causes balding in some men. By the way in my theory/facts your body converts a large amount of DHT during the process of ejaculation. The rise in Testosterone is from the loss of it during conversion and this happens seven days after an ejaculation so anything more then that will negatively affect hair. The information is all here now and I am very bored with repeating my self so unless you are new with new questions or clarification I am not responding to you anymore. If you donít believe this theory please go about your sexual habits and leave this thread alone so I donít have to constantly correct misinformed individuals on the topic.

Thanks,
OP

mothernature
08-24-2011, 02:49 PM
where is your evidence that ejaculation increases DHT levels? Where is your evidence that men taking fin/dut, that ejaculation then too increases DHT?

BackwardsBalding
08-24-2011, 06:53 PM
where is your evidence that ejaculation increases DHT levels? Where is your evidence that men taking fin/dut, that ejaculation then too increases DHT?



http://joe.endocrinology-journals.or...3/439.abstract shows that levels of dangerous hormones for hair rises after ejaculation

http://www.hairloss-research.org/Ginkgo.html scroll to the second study it shows the significant decrease in blood flow to the balding areas where as people not balding had no decrease in blood flow at all

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12506329 study showing a rise in testosterone after day 7 of abstience suggesting a week is how long it takes for your body to balance its hormones out.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8875519 link that shows Zinc deffecient people have less tesosterone, you lose a significant amount of Zinc in you ejaculation along with other vital growth nutrients

http://www.bmj.com/content/310/6990/1289.full This study should have been followed with more because it single handedly proves my theory and shows that just one extra ejaculation a week in young men will rise your DHT levels if that is not proof please somebody tell me how?

Bald Dude
08-24-2011, 08:03 PM
http://joe.endocrinology-journals.or...3/439.abstract shows that levels of dangerous hormones for hair rises after ejaculation

http://www.hairloss-research.org/Ginkgo.html scroll to the second study it shows the significant decrease in blood flow to the balding areas where as people not balding had no decrease in blood flow at all

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12506329 study showing a rise in testosterone after day 7 of abstience suggesting a week is how long it takes for your body to balance its hormones out.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8875519 link that shows Zinc deffecient people have less tesosterone, you lose a significant amount of Zinc in you ejaculation along with other vital growth nutrients

http://www.bmj.com/content/310/6990/1289.full This study should have been followed with more because it single handedly proves my theory and shows that just one extra ejaculation a week in young men will rise your DHT levels if that is not proof please somebody tell me how?

You should post ALL LINKS on the first page as a sticky.

mothernature
08-26-2011, 04:37 PM
http://joe.endocrinology-journals.or...3/439.abstract shows that levels of dangerous hormones for hair rises after ejaculation

http://www.hairloss-research.org/Ginkgo.html scroll to the second study it shows the significant decrease in blood flow to the balding areas where as people not balding had no decrease in blood flow at all

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12506329 study showing a rise in testosterone after day 7 of abstience suggesting a week is how long it takes for your body to balance its hormones out.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8875519 link that shows Zinc deffecient people have less tesosterone, you lose a significant amount of Zinc in you ejaculation along with other vital growth nutrients

http://www.bmj.com/content/310/6990/1289.full This study should have been followed with more because it single handedly proves my theory and shows that just one extra ejaculation a week in young men will rise your DHT levels if that is not proof please somebody tell me how?

ok. as DHT is the main vehicle for hair loss thats what i asked that you show me a study which shows increased ejaculations causes increased DHT levels. The last study showed that in men who have increased DHT levels are also more likely to have more orgasms, i.e. DHT causes men to be more sexually active.

There was nothing about how ejaculations causes increased DHT.

And you haven't shown any evidence that men taking propecia, ejaculating will increase DHT in them as well.

And if there isn't enough evidence to proove this then you can't be mad at people being a little skeptical??

Bald Dude
09-02-2011, 12:22 AM
ok. as DHT is the main vehicle for hair loss thats what i asked that you show me a study which shows increased ejaculations causes increased DHT levels. The last study showed that in men who have increased DHT levels are also more likely to have more orgasms, i.e. DHT causes men to be more sexually active.

There was nothing about how ejaculations causes increased DHT.

And you haven't shown any evidence that men taking propecia, ejaculating will increase DHT in them as well.

And if there isn't enough evidence to proove this then you can't be mad at people being a little skeptical??

But you cannot deny the effect propecia creates. What does it come down to? Hormones. Well, there is genetics of course.

You can check the story thread. I am currently giving this a genuine shot to see if I see results.

robbie25
09-06-2011, 10:15 AM
Holy crap, I just had to comment.

The poster comes up with some pseudo science theory that sounds plausible, "proves it" by doing tests on himself, and posting the results (which couild've easily been photshopped to show whatever data was desire).

Then he has his brother who comes on to defend him? Coincidentally, his twin brother? And just to make things a little more perfect, his twin brother doesn't subsribe to the theories, and thus has regular sex with his wife....the result? The twin has more hair loss. How perfect could it be?

And of course, the twins live together (explaining away, of course, the fact that they have the same IP address). Must be a pretty understanding wife for the twin, to not mind living with her husbands brother. And still find time for all that sex.

lol and nobody questions that? Come on.

There are so many holes to poke in the theory, I don't know where to begin. Propecia doesn't really "work" on hairloss, it only "works" because it decreases your sex drive and lowers your libido? And yet the "sides" that are the actual "cure" (low sex drive) only occur in 2-3% of people. So the drug only works for 2-3% of people? Call me crazy, but I'm pretty sure any drug had a success rate that poor it wouldn't be very popular.

Much harder to explain though, is that fact that there is a huge list of many, many other drugs that ALSO decrease sex drive. Why don't they fix hair loss? Anti-deprressents and other SSRI's are just one example. Why don't people on SSRI's regain hair? If that was true, tons of drugs would be helping hair loss, not just Propecia.

The whole thing is absolutely ridiculous. The onyl reason I can think of taht this hasn't been more thoroughly debunked by established, knowledgable posters is because they don't even want to justify it with response.

BackwardsBalding
09-06-2011, 04:30 PM
Oh lord thank you for pointing out how ridiculous my brother made this thread seem, like you he is also a moron. He is a moron for not seeing how stupid It would look if he commented on what was already a controversial thread. Your a moron because your excessive ejaculation frequency and addiction to it will not allow you to accept a very obvious truth. As time has passed I have realized that Propecia is more then the side affects that it causes and the physical reduction of the prostate is what is helping in hair loss (something anti depressants can not do). If you had finished the reading before getting all worked up you would see there is substantial evidence backing my theory. Also, make whatever outrageous claims you want the truth is every word typed from me or my brother has been 100% accurate and if you were not so vain and set in your scorned ways you would see past the back and forth and look at the facts.

Bald Dude
09-06-2011, 11:41 PM
Oh lord thank you for pointing out how ridiculous my brother made this thread seem, like you he is also a moron. He is a moron for not seeing how stupid It would look if he commented on what was already a controversial thread. Your a moron because your excessive ejaculation frequency and addiction to it will not allow you to accept a very obvious truth. As time has passed I have realized that Propecia is more then the side affects that it causes and the physical reduction of the prostate is what is helping in hair loss (something anti depressants can not do). If you had finished the reading before getting all worked up you would see there is substantial evidence backing my theory. Also, make whatever outrageous claims you want the truth is every word typed from me or my brother has been 100% accurate and if you were not so vain and set in your scorned ways you would see past the back and forth and look at the facts.

I think a lot of people just want to see pictures. I am trying to go on a month and see for myself. I haven't noticed anything unusual, but trying to not look at girls and trying to be 'clean' is tough. lol

ohshiiison
09-07-2011, 04:33 AM
why is every single priest bald?

RichardDawkins
09-07-2011, 04:48 AM
Admin close this thread and ban those guys

BackwardsBalding
09-07-2011, 09:08 AM
why is every single priest bald?

I have a theory on why there seem to be alot of priests balding. The catholic church for years has told there priest hood that if you use masturbation as a form of preventing sexual thoughts then its ok. That means these men who are defying natural instincts to reproduce are more then likely masturbating just as often as any one of us if not more. And to be honest I would say the few priests I knew in my life were not bald at all but I have seen some bald priests on T.V.

BackwardsBalding
09-07-2011, 09:09 AM
Admin close this thread and ban those guys

broken record.

Bald Dude
09-07-2011, 11:15 PM
Admin close this thread and ban those guys

IP check if you must, but I am going to give this a test and have made my own thread.

I am my own.

Bald Dude
09-07-2011, 11:16 PM
why is every single priest bald?

Not even true. Then you must ask the church why every christian sins, repents and repeats.

Just because they are who they are doesn't mean they will do what they 'ought' to do.

Why do priest molest alter boys then? Come on.

Samiam
09-08-2011, 09:09 PM
BaldingBackwards, how much of a negative effect, if any, do you think getting sexually aroused will have. I have a girlfriend and often times hanging out with her I of course become sexually aroused. I try to abstain from sex though, I sometimes feel a little bit of premature seimen or whatever you wanna call it after we mess around. Do you think this is bad???

BackwardsBalding
09-09-2011, 09:09 AM
BaldingBackwards, how much of a negative effect, if any, do you think getting sexually aroused will have. I have a girlfriend and often times hanging out with her I of course become sexually aroused. I try to abstain from sex though, I sometimes feel a little bit of premature seimen or whatever you wanna call it after we mess around. Do you think this is bad???

I am in the same boat. I have a very pretty very sexually active girlfriend and would not dare turn her away. I actually have been having sex about once a week some times a little more I would like to abstain longer but like I said I would not dare turn my girlfriend away(for the sake of this experiment I am glad I don't live with her). If you can please your girl without sex at all good. I have not masturbated once though and just that decrease has greatly helped me I am surely not loseing any more hair granted my hair loss was not that bad and I used to ejaculate every day. I believe I am not as sensative to these factors as some of you. So to answer your questions no it will not affect you because seaman traveling through the prostate during ejaculation is what causes conversion of T to DHT. A few drops of pre cum should not do any harm but make sure to please your girlfriend if you want to keep her and just dont masturbate anymore at all! Also take vitamins after ejaculating and dont forget to loosen your scalp via scalp laxity exercises.

robbie25
09-09-2011, 04:40 PM
This is absolutely insane that there are people who actually take this garbage seriously.

Guys who are worried about their hair are stressed enough without having to feel afraid each time they get their rocks off.

Dude, if you're theory is that ejaculating more then once a week makes you bald, then 95% of the male population would be bald.

In the hundreds of thousands of man hours that has been spent researching this issue, do you really think nobody has ever thought of this before?

The fact that people here are drinking your kool aid shows how desperate guys losing their hair can be. Everything in this thread defies even a modicum of common sense. Everything you say has a weird, religious/conservative vibe to it, talking about the "evils" of masturbation. It's like your #1 goal is to get people to stop masturbating.

BackwardsBalding
09-09-2011, 09:44 PM
This is absolutely insane that there are people who actually take this garbage seriously.

Guys who are worried about their hair are stressed enough without having to feel afraid each time they get their rocks off.

Dude, if you're theory is that ejaculating more then once a week makes you bald, then 95% of the male population would be bald.

In the hundreds of thousands of man hours that has been spent researching this issue, do you really think nobody has ever thought of this before?

The fact that people here are drinking your kool aid shows how desperate guys losing their hair can be. Everything in this thread defies even a modicum of common sense. Everything you say has a weird, religious/conservative vibe to it, talking about the "evils" of masturbation. It's like your #1 goal is to get people to stop masturbating.

It’s all good to have an opinion but expelling a theory that is supported by facts is absurd. Maybe you should get your eyes checked or actually read the material. Ask any urologist in the world to confirm these next few facts. They will tell you testosterone is manufactured in the testicles. The prostate converts T in DHT. Sperm has to go through the prostate to receive a specific part of the seaman making the sperm capable of life in the highly acidic vagina. You don’t see a connection there. When they dissect the prostate they say it has a higher concentration of DHT then any where else in the body? You think that’s just coincidence? You think the only medication that works for hair loss being a prostate medication is also just chance? The prostates only functin is ejaculatioin and promoting male hormones like DHT. Dont be stupid. Maybe what you have failed to notice is that if you have a great head and would not care if you went bald then please masturbate away and get sex at the same time I am not religious and have never preached it being evil or anything of the sort. You fail to read through the material and hop on here like you know what the hell your talking about but you don’t. I am fully capable of excepting ejaculation in moderation like anything is ok. Maybe your reaction to the topic shows your true colors on the topic thus explaining why your on this site. Its really not a hard concept to grasp go call a local urgolist and ask them where Testosterone is Manufactured? Where Testosterone is converted into Dihydrotestosterone? What happens during an ejaculation? You Will quickly see my theory is only good because people have made strides in medicine and already explained everything I have shared with you. Take it for what you want I could care less if you don’t like it. Enough with the everyone would be bald some people are no at risk of balding quit if thats hard for you to accept then you need to tell me one condition that the entire world population suffers from I would love to know it.

BackwardsBalding
09-10-2011, 05:28 PM
I will break it down even more clearly for you. If Replicel or Histogen come out with one of these cure all injections Iím on the first flight out and as soon as I get home Ill whack it 10x's just because I can. I am not a going to put any one down for excessive masturbating/sex. My opinion of excessive is only that which affects hair loss not what I feel morally correct. More power to the individuals that can jack it every day all day and never lose hair they are very lucky. I am only here expressing my beliefs and thus explaining the cause to an otherwise eluding affect. Chill with all the hard feelings and take it for what it is.

savemyhair
09-14-2011, 09:28 AM
BackwardsBalding how are you doing? Have you notice hair regrow or less shedding? Does it feel stronger or healthier? I wonder if any possible improvement could only be temporal.

Im thinking of giving this a try. My hair is feeling worse every day, it is thinning everywhere and feels like it is dead, not natural. Now im worried!

NeedHairASAP
09-14-2011, 09:48 AM
I've noticed a dramatic grow back of my temple hair since taking zinc and cutting down on the you know. This is within a week or two.



by dramatic I mean I was watching my temples recede maybe half an inch? I was using renokin for a year (stopped 3 months ago) so it could just be my telogen/anogen hair cycling... it wasn't a dramatic enough change to rule out the possibility it was just the normal hair cycling.... but still interesting


my temples were/are still pretty thin all the way to my ear; looks like the onset of a very bad nw7... so I'll continue on with the zinc and see if it helps... should be easy to notice

BackwardsBalding
09-14-2011, 10:14 AM
My hair is transformed. The oilyness is gone. New hairs grow in every day and my entire head is darker and thicker then ever. Numerous people including my hair cutter have asked me what I am doing. A few people have asked if I died my hair. I havent. The funny thing Is I still ejaculate like once a week for me that seems to be enough. For others it might need longer abstinence I guess it just depends on how sensative you are to it genetically. Good luck keep the thread updated.