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05-05-2011, 10:02 PM
Hi everyone,

Well my story begins with the fact that I started going bald around the age of 17 but it wasn't anything major..a few hair here and there but you could say it was just a little over the normal amount a person would lose on a daily basis..but I was always worried about baldness because my older brother lost his hair at a pretty young age!

Flash forward 6 years...I am now 23 and although I have hair it is thinning and pretty noticeable. I just got a haircut and cut it has short as possible with scissors so it's not a buzzcut or "fade"...but the thing i noticed is that it is very VERY noticeable now and I just felt very very depressed looking at it in the mirror! I always had confidence issues because of the fact that I am also short and now balding so it makes me feel like god is out to get me lol.

But after reading some threads on this forum I feel a little better knowing that i'm not the only one..and that i'm not being "punished" for something..which is what i feel like most of the time because of my current life situation in both physical appearance and also emotionally...I don't know why i'm even writing this but I guess it just feels good to let someone know how i feel anonymously.

But like i said reading the threads have made me feel better and makes me realize that there are worst things than going bald! So thanks to everyone who gave helpful advice on these forums since they helped me out as well :)

05-06-2011, 07:31 AM
Welcome to the forum TMLviper. You are right, as Spencer Kobren always says, “you are not alone”. This is the very best hair loss forum on the internet, filled with compassionate , caring and knowledgeable people. It’s helped me a great deal just like it helped you.

05-06-2011, 10:09 PM
hair loss sucks period. some people don't mind it as much as others but i suspect most men on bald truth are very bothered by it. hair can make all the difference in the world to someone's face. one can go from handsome/sharp to looking like ****ing smeagol. look at Ne-Yo with and without hat. even though i have mild thinning in front and temple area, i hate meeting new people and talking to girls because i'm always self conscious about my hair. i'm not one of those people who can 'look at the bright side' unfortunately. i hate the fact that we have donor limitations for hair transplant. i don't want to create an 'illusion' of having full head of hair. i just want a full head of hair whether i comb it, buzz it, go running, swimming, to be able to wake up in the morning and go out and have a bad hair day every now and then. now every waking moment is a 'bad hair day' unfortunately lol. i guess i can work on other aspects of my life in preparation for a miracle cure in near future. not holding my breath though.

05-07-2011, 12:04 AM
TMLviper, welcome to the forum where people share the misery (of losing their hair). Talking about it might help you feel better for a moment but I know the moment you look in the mirror or as soon as you wake up in the morning and realize you're losing your hair it all hits you again like a ton of bricks and the despair you feel is immeasurable. I've been battling this god damn CURSE for over a decade and it's never gotten any easier with time. On the contrary it's gotten much much worse and I can honestly say my life has been completely ruined by it.

Yeah, there may be things worse than going bald BUT, unless those things actually happen to us, we will always feel like baldness IS the worst thing. The simple fact is we can NEVER feel something that's not happening to us. Sure I know someone who's lost a leg or an arm is a million times worse than losing hair, but at the end of the day I'm still losing my hair and I will only feel MY pain and suffering. Like I said above, my life has been competely ruined. I could never achieve anything because of the psychological and emotional effects of the this ****ing curse and now I see my life slipping away. I don't know what things are worse than that. Having to go through mental torture every god damn second of your life for over 12 years and god knows how many more years to come is as bad a thing as it can get IMO. I've had a very hard life and have seen hell and still living it but hair loss has had the worst effect on me by far out of everything else. I'm at the point where if a doctor were to tell me I have cancer I'd actually thank him because I don't want to live another ****ing minute of this misery any more.

05-08-2011, 01:25 PM
I totally hear you, VictimofDHT. I've only been suffering from hair loss for about a year now, but it has been the worst year of my life. I went from being the life of the party to a virtual recluse in my own home. Make no mistake about it, the effects of hair loss are psychologically and emotionally devastating. I wish scientists would stop testing shit on mice until the cows come home and start testing on humans. There may be risks involved but I think many of us would gladly accept the risks if there was any chance that we could regrow our hair. I too feel that my life is being ruined by hair loss. I can't stand it either when people tell me that I should just "accept it". I cannot and will not accept it. I will not live life with something that I hate so much. I have been researching potential hair loss remedies (some of which I listed in the Cutting Edge Treatments section), and I've been looking into them. I can't believe there has been no effective remedy for hair loss yet. I mean, scientists are cloning kidneys and lungs, yet they cannot or will not clone hair. It really seems ridiculous to me.

05-08-2011, 04:22 PM
Depressedbyhairloss, if you've only been losing your hair for a year then I'm going to assume you're still young, and IF, IF a cure finally comes out in the next couple of years or so, you might still have a chance at starting your life. As for me, while I'm not over the hill or close, I still think it's too late for me. I'm not bald, YET, but the ****ing curse is picking up speed now like never before. But I have had HTs done to my hairline and temples. 5 GOD DAMN HTS, and now I'm losing my transplanted hairs. I mean, how more cruel can life be ???
But yeah, I know the feeling. Being in a virtual prison. I've been living that life for a long time. I literally feel like a prisoner watching out of my small cell window. Only thing, I'm not watching people go by. I'm watching my whole ****ing life go by while being totally helpless to do anything about it. I've actually started living like this even before I started losing my hair. That's how much I feared hair loss. To me, it's worse than losing an arm or a leg.

Yeah, it is a joke that we, in 2011 STILL DONT have a cure for this curse. I don't even know if we're close. I've heard this crap before. In fact, I've been hearing it for the past 15 years. And every time we think we're getting closer to a cure, the mother ****ers come out and tell us "in the next 5-10 years".
I'm afraid I'm going to die waiting.

I think there's hardly an effort being put into finding a cure for this debilitating disease. Yeah, it is a disease IMO because it can totally **** up a person's life in more ways than one. I know it's ****ed up my life and now it's even affecting my nervous system. But yeah, 7 billion people and 10's of thousands of scientists, researchers and labs around the world and no one has been able to figure out something, well, because they don't bother with hair loss research. 4 companies !! 4 god damn companies that are TRYING to do something. That's it ! Of course there's a research lab at every street corner for breast cancer research. And I don't want to hear the arguement "well it's cancer". No. There are a 1000 other cancers that hardly get any ****ing attention, ESPECIALLY if they have to do with men.

So yeah. That's life. Aint life beautiful ?? If my father were alive I would've sued him for the pain and suffering and the hell I'm going through. The only thing I inherited from him is a shity life and hair loss. :mad:

05-09-2011, 10:57 AM
Yeah, I hear you man, living with hair loss is total hell, esp. when your father and brother both have full heads of hair. My life has gone from "great" to "depressed", "angry", and "suicidal" in this past year. I don't what I have done to deserve this baldness curse.
What really kills me with a lot of these scientists is that they'll experiment with hair growth chemicals on mice, yet they'll never work to try anything on humans. I have seen so many scientists say they have grown hair on mice using a variety of chemicals like WNT, Noggin, BMP, and TB-4, yet they'll never perform any clinical trials on humans. I mean, what the hell good is it to keep experimenting on mice, then say that these findings "could" or "may" "provide insight into the complex process of baldness", yet never perform any human trials. I've heard the argument before that many scientists are working hard to create a cure for baldness because of the huge amount of money involved. Yet if this was true, then how come there are only 4 friggin companies out there trying to develop a cure. It just pisses me off so much man.
I've thought about trying a hair transplant but that process is so imperfect, IMO. A person is left with permanent scars and the risk of the donor hair not holding. Instead of making money off of such an imperfect procedure, these doctors should work on developing a way to regenerate hair as opposed to pluck it from one place and move it to another.
And BTW, you are totally right, hair loss IS a disease. You said it has ****ed up your life and it's currently and majorly ****ing up my life. Anyone who says that hair loss is a purely cosmetic issue has never lived through the pain and despair of losing hair in the first place.

05-12-2011, 12:55 AM
I don't know what to say, man. I feel really sad for myself but at the same time I feel sad for all those who are suffering because of this god damn curse because I can understand what they're going through. Life is not fair and it's very cruel. Yeah, it really sucks when you're the only one losing hair out of a bunch of men around you. You just look at their hair and think, why can't I have that ? It's just ****ing hair, god. Why couldn't you let me have it ? Why ? What good does me losing my hair serve in this ****ing life ???

Those scientists/researchers have to keep working on mice so the money keeps rolling in. Never mind the FACT that mice actually DON'T suffer from Alopecia areata to begin with. They actually do something to the mice to make them lose their hair and then they -the scientists- try to regrow it. So, the cause of hair loss in those mice have NOTHING to do with what humans suffer from. They're totally unrelated. So, I don't even know what the point is of doing all the "research" on something that's NOT the same. But you see, if they stop working on those poor mice the funding will stop. And you know, those so-called researchers get billions and billions of dollars for their so-called research. I'm talking about all research not just in the hair loss field. They have "scientists/researchers" wasting millions of dollars "studying" the life of sharks !! Yeah, they wanna know why sharks attack people !!!! You see, that's very important for humanity because maybe one day we can play water volleyball with sharks and have them as pets once the "scientist" figure out how to stop them from attacking us.

Meanwhile, 100's of illnesses and disorders just continue to **** people's lives because there isn't enough funding or real researchers to bother to do something about them.
I just find it hard to believe that -with the exception of a handful of companies- there is any serious research going into the issue of hair loss.

And the silent suffering continues and more lives continue to be destroyed.
**** life. I Haven't seen any good thing about it.

05-12-2011, 04:35 PM
VictimOfDHT, I couldn't have said it better myself. I could literally name you a laundry list of people who have had all these "insightful hair loss discoveries" with mice, but never apply these discoveries to trying to cure hair loss in humans. I've even written to some of these scientists, pleading with them to conduct human trials based on their findings. Maybe there are some small risks involved, but I think that people like you and me (who have been so adversely affected by hair loss) would accept these risks and try anything to regrow our hair.
I often ask myself what I did to deserve this curse; I used to have such a full head of thick hair. I'm always pissed off about this and I can never just "accept" it. I really think that I may have to look outside of the U.S. for some sort of treatment for hair loss since Rogaine, Propecia, and hair transplants are such chickenshit and don't do much of anything. I mean, how can I just focus on FDA-approved treatments when they don't do a damn thing? I heard that in China they are using umbilical cord blood-derived stem cells to grow hair, but I'm skeptical.

05-13-2011, 08:41 PM
Yeah man. I remember hearing and reading about all the "success" in regrowing hair in mice since the 90's or even before. But we never see that applied to people. Reason : those so called researchers ARENT interested in regrowing hair in humans. It's totally about pretending that they're doing something to make them deserve all the money they're making. Pure and simple. So, the risk to humans isn't even a factor. I mean there are always trials on humans and that always involves some risks but that's part of the process. That's how all drugs are tested. So again, the risk factor is NO factor in why they won't apply their "discoveries" to humans.
I'm thinking maybe if researchers got paid depending on how much they produce or how much they progress into their research maybe then they'll be serious about finding all kinds of treatments and cures.

And yeah I hear you about being mad about losing your hair. I can't stop asking the same question. Not why me ? But why this whole hair loss shit at all. I still don't get what the purpose is of losing one's hair. I mean we get hit with all kind of shit in this miserable life. A million and one thing can go wrong with our bodies, so why the hell not at least let us keep our ****ing hair instead of adding to the misery? I won't ever accept it or get over it either not even if I turned 100. I have a shitty life as it is. Why do I have to accept more shit ?

Minox and Fin/Dut might not be a fix-it-all drug but at least they're better than nothing. I have two brothers, one completely bald and the other 1/2 bald. The first didn't use anything. The second uses minox occasionally. I still have a good coverage -though it's not as thick as it was even a few months back- but it's the front that's always been the problem and that's where all my HTs have gone. Of course if you've been following my posts you'd know that I'm losing my transplanted hairs now, and that's why I'm chocking. But you need to know that my case is a rare one. The vast majority of people who get HTs keep their hair. My bad luck is unmatched however.

I dont think there's any place on the planet that has a good answer to hair loss, yet. Not even China.

05-15-2011, 06:03 PM
You are totally right bro. If these scientists got paid based on how much progress they make in attempting to cure diseases for humans (not mice), then maybe we would have better results. I mean, everyone else gets paid on results. I work in the computer field and if instead of fixing a computer problem, I kept "gaining insight" and "developing clues" in how to solve a problem but never actually solved it, I'd be out on my ass. Granted, the human body is different from a computer, yet it gets really frustrating and excessive when all of these scientists sell their articles for profit to these science publications, claiming that they have developed new ways to grow hair in mice, but these so-called results are never tested on humans. I mean, what the **** is the point of that?
When I first started losing my hair a little more than a year ago, I started researching on the internet all of these articles where scientists claimed to make hair growth discoveries. I e-mailed over 100 of them and of course none of them were testing their discoveries on humans. Sometimes I wish I could just steal all of their mice so that they'll be forced to maybe begin testing on humans. Some of them just told me about shit like Rogaine, Propecia, and hair transplants. Granted, Rogaine, Propecia, and hair transplants are better than nothing, but treating hair loss by these ineffective methods is like putting a band-aid over cancer. I've tried Rogaine and it didn't do a damn thing for me. I'm on Propecia right now and although I'm shedding a bit less, the results are very, very minimal. And VictimofDHT, you're not alone with having your transplanted hair fall out; my friend had the same thing happen to him. IMO, there are so many flaws with hair transplants: 1) doesn't create any new hair, 2) leaves permanent scarring, 3) transplanted hair can fall out, 4) only a limited amount of hair can be moved during one session (multiple sessions are needed to achieve anything close to a full head of hair). It just baffles me that in this day and age, we don't have better options to combat hair loss. I mean, we've cloned a full sheep (Dolly the sheep) and we're even cloning full organs like liver and kidneys, but we can't clone hair. I doesn't make sense, and despite what others say, I certainly don't believe that cloning a hair is much more difficult than cloning an entire organism like Dolly the Sheep.

05-17-2011, 02:10 AM
I know. I think those so-called researchers should be treated like every one else - produce something or get the **** out. We're not just gonna pay you for torturing mice and doing USELESS experiments on them. There are so many ****ed up things with the way the world is run. Some of those "researcher" have been doing the same god damn thing for decades, probably their whole damn career life, without producing a damn thing. What are they getting paid for exactly ?? I am a firm believer that most of the research -and also researchers- is total USELESS BULL SHIT that does NOT work in real life and is NOT actually meant to. Plain and simple.

I know it's really ridiculous that they still cannot find a way to end this ****ing curse. And yeah, I don't understand it either. They can clone a whole sheep or whatever but they cant clone hair. I don't know but I feel this is done on purpose. Maybe there's pressure on them NOT to find a treatment so the HT doctors keep making the 10's of thousands of $$$ they make every week. Can you imagine what would happen to them if suddenly a miracle treatment comes out ??? I know that's a bit extreme thinking but you just can't help but wonder.

I still think your best bit at the moment is Minox and Fin. Minox has been very good for me in slowing down the hair loss. It does suck to use but I don't care as long as I don't become bald. How long did you use it for ? You probably already know that but you should give it at least a few months. You can also try increasing the Fin dosage. I think I'm gonna do that myself.

As for HTs, I know they're the best solution only for people with a small balding area. But what else can someone do if he's already bald ? Either live with this shit or have an HT. At least he won't be considered bald even if his hair was thin. Yeah, it's not the perfect answer but it's better than baldness. The scar isn't an issue if the doctor is good. What's shitty about HTs is the expense and the time involved. But talking about your friend makes me wonder if this problem (of losing the transplanted hairs) is more common than we're made to believe. Did he lose all of his transplanted hairs ? The guy must devastated. I know I AM. I haven't lost all my T hairs yet but I have lost a whole lot and I'm really worried that I'll end up losing it all after so many HTs. This is really really ****ed up. I still won't write off HTs as a good way to get rid of the bald look but I wish there was a way for people to know if they're going to lose their new hair or not before they go under the knife and lose thousands of dollars for nothing.

05-17-2011, 10:48 PM
As for the doctors and researchers being pressured NOT to find an ultimate cure for hair loss, I wouldn't be surprised if that was true either. Hair restoration is a multi-billion dollar business and if a cure was found, then it really would put all of these HT doctors out of business. Nobody would buy Rogaine or Propecia anymore and the pharmaceutical companies that produce them would lose money. Places like Bosley would go out of business. So many companies/people would lose money or be out of a job if a hair loss cure was found. I mean, what incentive would a lot of these doctors have in trying to create a cure for hair loss if they already have experience making a ton of money through these shitty hair transplants? Other people would argue with me and say that whoever invented a cure for hair loss would make millions if not billions of dollars, and that would be a doctor's motivation for developing a cure. But if that was the case, then how come so very few companies/people are even attempting to cure it? How come there is literally tons of "research" done on "potential" hair loss cures, but none of these discoveries are tried on humans? A lot of these researchers are just content on making their money selling their "hair loss discoveries" on mice to scientific publications, yet don't give a rat's ass about trying their discoveries on humans. Or maybe a lot of these researchers aren't qualified to conduct human clinical trials, maybe the job of conducting human clinical trials falls to the doctors and the big drug companies? Maybe they're supposed to pick up where the researchers left off? And if the doctors are already making big money on these shitty hair transplants and the pharmaceutical companies are already making big money peddling shit like Rogaine and Propecia, then why would they bother testing new discoveries on humans when they're already making a ton of money doing the shit that they're already doing? At least I give credit to people like Dr. Cotsarelis, Dr. Hitzig, and Dr. Greco, who are at least attempting to try to find cures.
This issue not only relates to hair loss. As I said before, when I first started losing my hair, I started researching stem cell treatment which could possibly regrow my hair. Through my research, I found that many people with a wide variety of diseases continuously go to other countries for treatments that have not been approved by the anally-retentive FDA. Michael J. Fox and Muhammad Ali go to other countries to get stem cell treatments for Parkinson's Disease that aren't available in the U.S. And then a lot of the researchers here claim that these treatments are unsafe and unproven. But if some one is suffering from a disease, what choice do they have? Should they just accept the suffering or should they try and do something about it? I for one will NEVER accept hair loss and will always try and do something to get my hair back. That's why I don't blame you for getting the hair transplants that you did. I am just hesitant to get a hair transplant because I believe that it is such an imperfect procedure where far too much can go wrong. I mean, I've seen the bloody mess that these hair transplants can cause and there are plenty of people on here who tell stories of their botched hair transplants. I am not bald but I have two gaping receding hair lines and thinning on top. Yet I don't want to take a chance and lose that remaining hair through "shock loss". And I someday want to have a haircut like a fade, I would never be able to without the transplant scar showing through. I don't believe that Rogaine and Propecia do a damn thing either. I tried Rogaine for a year and it didn't do a damn thing. They advertise that 85% of people regrow hair on Rogaine, which is absolute horseshit and shows the level of honesty of the pharmaceutical industry. Propecia maybe caused me to shed a bit less, but none of these do a damn thing to regrow hair. I just feel that there are so much better methods out there to regrow hair, yet no one is trying them. I posted a whole list of potential treatments in the "Cutting Edge" section of this website. For example, scientists have recently been able to reprogram stem cells and give them embryonic characteristics. If these reprogrammed stem cells were applied to hair loss, then these stem cells would theoretically be able to grow hair like they did when they were in an embryonic stage. Yet no one tries this and unfortunately we're stuck with the limited shitbag options that we have now. Despite the fact that hair loss is a multi-billion-dollar industry, I read somewhere that only like 7 percent of people actually spend money trying to do something to combat hair loss. It's not because people want to accept being bald or like it. It's because the options are so few and ineffective that some people believe that they have no choice but to accept it.
Oh, and my friend who had the hair transplant lost most of his transplanted hair. He wasted a ton of money and got nothing out of it. He won't tell me which doctor did it (he doesn't want to talk about it, just wants to forget it), yet he lives in NYC so I doubt it was some dipshit clinic in the middle of nowhere.

05-18-2011, 10:54 PM
Well, special interest groups and lobbyists are no secret. We know how much influence these guys have. It is obvious that it is NOT in the interest of any HT doctor, the makers of Minoxidil, Fin, Dut or the countless numbers of so-called companies that rake in billions of dollars selling their bull shit hair loss products. Even the FDA are a bunch of crooks. It's a fact that there are many treatments (for different illnesses) in other countries around the world yet you can't find shit for these illnesses in N. America. I'd say "safety" is second to profit and special interest groups in the eyes of the FDA. The fact that there's hardly any research into hair loss is something fishy. Yes, that who invents a hair loss treatment will make billions but all the guys we just mentioned will LOSE billions and they'd be pretty pissed. So....

I don't know what to say, man. Believe me, I'm more pissed and depressed than I have ever been regarding the problem of my hair loss and all the empty promises we keep hearing. I think I'll probably die from a heart attack from my stress before I see a real treatment for baldness. There's no word to describe my despair. I just can't sit and watch my hair fall out especially after all these years of torture going thru HTs and all the money that had been spent. I don't know, maybe those injections being offered in the UK by dr. Hitzig or don't know who can really do something. I'm gonna look into that and try to follow any new stuff about it. It's my only hope to at least stop any further hair loss. 4 or 5 years will be too long for me to wait for Histogen or follica or whoever. This really really sucks.

I think you should continue to take Fin. What other options do you have ? I wish there were a ****ing place even on the moon that had a solution to this god damn curse. I'd ****ing walk all the way to there. But for now, all we have is Fin and Minox. The rest is nothing but promises that might or might not come true.

As for HTs. Many people seem to be happy with them. But some people don't do their homework when they look for a doctor. And some -like me and your friend- just have some shitty bad ****ing luck and a special curse from god to make us even more miserable than usual, that would make us lose our transplanted hairs.

05-19-2011, 09:25 AM
Wow! I feel like i just read my story lol, same 23 and people started saying hey whats going on with your hair man? At 15-17 in that age range, i took accutane which i think messed with my height so i feel you on the short thing! It stinks, I also started losing hair as well at 17 not much, but it started and its a side effect of accutane. But the good thing is you are deciding to do something about it! Keep me us up dated and good luck!

Also use Minox and Finasteride. I mean it hasn't done much for the front of my hair. A little bit though, better then nothing and my hair on top of my head filled in a bit. If anything at least it will hopefully keep you from becoming more bald until you figure out how you want to deal with the situation.

05-20-2011, 11:46 PM
Yeah man, I really have the same sentiments as you do with regards to hair loss. It baffles me and pisses me off so much that we don't have any better options to regrow hair than Rogaine, Propecia, and hair transplants. One thing that you and I have in common is that we are willing to fight with all our being to get our hair back and we refuse to accept hair loss. I certainly will not go through life simply 'accepting it'. **** that! As I've said before, I really think I'm gonna have to go outside of the country for a solution to hair loss. I've been doing tons of research with regards to stem cells regrowing hair and I've found that several clinics outside of the U.S. (in Tijuana, Mexico and China) use umbilical cord blood derived stem cells in an attempt to regrow hair. These kinds of stem cells are used in the U.S. to treat other illnesses, but of course they're not used to treat hair loss here. Instead, we're stuck with chickenshit Rogaine and Propecia. Also, other places around the world are using autologous adult stem cells (from either fat tissue or bone marrow) to treat hair loss, yet here we're stuck with friggin hair surgery and wigs. There are even 3 stem clinics in the U.S. that offer these autologous stem cell treatments, yet they're performed by 'naturopaths' as opposed to regular doctors so that leaves me a bit skeptical. Why can't doctors here in the U.S. perform these stem cell therapies? I guess they're too attached to their beloved hair transplants.
I live in NY and I've already been in contact with Dr. Hitzig's office about the Acell/PRP treatments. Except the hair growth results with this on his website are so very minimal. Hopefully he's added or expanded his technique so that it will result in more hair growth. I mean, I don't think he'd bring it all the way over to the UK just to show minimal results. But then again, Rogaine and Propecia don't do dickshit and they're making billions. What a world we live in.
Yeah, I'm gonna continue taking Propecia cus that's all we've got, but I'm not even bothering with Rogaine (didn't do a damn thing for me). But this isn't gonna be the only weapon in my arsenal. I'm really gonna seek out some of these stem cell treatments cus there's really gotta be something better out there than Rogaine, Propecia, or a ****in hair transplant.

05-21-2011, 12:04 PM
Well, the reason why doctors are so stuck on the HT shit is because there's more money in it. A whole lotta money to be made. Most people who do HTs are hooked and they're back to do a second, third and even more. Each time it costs a few $ 1000. The average guy pays somewhere around $20000 and even more. However, a one shot treatment -IF IT EVER COMES OUT- would be a bargain even if it cost a few thousand dollars. Of course way more men would choose to go for such treatment but HT doctors won't get a cut of that money because they won't be needed anyway for such treatment, which means they'd be out of business.

Yes, I am willing to do anything in my fight for this ****ing curse, but I don't think there's much available right now. I've done all three things - Minox, Fin/Dut and HT but it seems god hates me so much that even the HTs aren't gonna work for me. So I don't know what else is left. I DO believe there are treatments available for some illnesses in other countries that are NOT available in the US or canada but I don't think there is anything for hair loss. If there were, it wouldn't be a problem any more. ****, even China hasn't been able to do anything so far. What the **** ? It is possible these days to change sexes and even grow facial hair on women but they still cant do shit for head hair.

I am really in a desperate situation right now. I ask god to take my ****ing life before he makes me bald. I don't think I'll EVER be able to live with this shitty disfigurement, unless I live in a cave somewhere and never have to look in a mirror ever again.

I just HOPE that Histogen or whatever other companies trying to do something for hair loss sufferers come out with their shit soon or, god just takes my life.

05-21-2011, 09:35 PM
I know man, and that's what I can't stand about these ****in hair transplants. If you want somewhere close to a full head of hair, you've got to have at least a few sessions done with something like 10,000 grafts total. If there was some kind of hair multiplication procedure that cost as much as these hair transplants, I'd do it in a second. However, I'm not gonna pay that kind of money for a procedure that leaves permanent scarring, doesn't create any new hair, and isn't even nearly 100% effective. These doctors have spent years though performing these hair transplants and therefore have lots of experience performing them. So it wouldn't be in their best interest financially or medically to start looking for other hair loss cures. If they're making a ton of money doing these hair transplants, then why would they **** with good enough and try something else?
And really man, they can actually perform sex change operations but they can't find a way to grow hair??!!! What a ****in joke!! I mean, that's just unbelievable!! I mean, they can change some one's entire gender yet they can't find a way to grow hair!! That's just unbelievable to me and provides just more proof that there's a lot of fishy stuff going on in the pharmaceutical industry and big business. It wouldn't be a stretch to say that some one who wants to change genders probably has some really unresolved issues going on, and I'd bet most people would consider a sex change to be unethical (I'm not even sure they can perform this in the U.S. due to ethics issues). Yet, all people like you and me want to do is grow our hair back; there's nothing unethical or immoral about that!!
I feel your pain too man, I'm in a desperate situation myself. I too have at times thought that a life without hair is not worth living. That's all I pray to God about. I say: "I don't ask for anything else, all I want is a way to grow my hair back". I don't think that is too much to ask. And what really kills me about this disease is that there is really nothing that we personally can do about it. I mean, if some one is fat, they can exercise and lose weight. If some one is skinny, they can lift weights and put on muscle. Hell, there are even people like Dennis Byrd who have had spinal cord injuries yet have still gotten up, walked again, and are now living normal lives. Yet there is no effective way to grow hair. Again, unbelievable.
I'm really going to look into this umbilical cord blood derived stem cell thing to regrow hair. If you google 'Han Hoon umbilical cord hair loss', you'll see that this Korean doctor performed a study where these umbilical cord blood derived stem cells were injected into a patient's scalp. Apparently these stem cells are very powerful and outstanding hair growth results were seen. But in this day and age, in supposedly the world's most technologically advanced nation, we're still dicking around with Rogaine and Propecia. Again, just totally unbelievable and downright unacceptable.

05-23-2011, 01:54 AM
Well, like I already said, there's hardly any research being done on this hair loss curse. It's like they don't care about it. Had there been any serious interest to study this problem 40 or 50 years ago I'm almost sure we would've found a solution long time ago. But no, they're too busy doing breast cancer research because you know, there are no other problems more important. The thing is they haven't been able to do a jack shit about cancer either despite all the billions they're taking.

Yeah I've done the "praying" thing too for years and years but I wasn't expecting miracles and I didn't wait for them to happen. So I went out and went through hell to get those HTs and spent thousands of dollars that took me years to make and again prayed to god to at least make everything go right. Well, I guess I was asking too much.

I don't know what else to do. Now I'm virtually living on these hair loss sites waiting and hoping that one of these companies will surprise us with a treatment. But I know this wait is going to be a long one. Maybe even a very long one. But if a treatment is ever made anywhere on this planet I'll be on a plane the next day to wherever the hell it is, well, as long as it is affordable, which is another concern I have. We don't want to wait for years and then be told it's going to cost 50,000 dollars to get your hair back.

So, I guess for now we're just gonna continue to suffer and live in this misery for god knows how long. Like I always say, life is cruel. Life isn't fair.

BTW, as far as I know, sex change operations are available in the US.

05-24-2011, 01:01 AM
For one thing, I'm glad there is a website like this where I can vent all of my anger and frustration with this disease. It creates awareness that baldness is a disease and not some little condition that people feel comfortable to laugh about. But what we really need is a concerted effort to find a cure for this disease. As I've said before and I'll say it again, it just baffles my mind that we don't have anything better than Rogaine, Propecia, and hair transplants to combat this God-awful disease. I dunno, I just can't accept that a cure will be a long time coming; it's just too much for me to live with. Man, I'm a rock n roll lover and guitar player and I used to love to have hair like the guys in my favorite bands like Kiss and Motley Crue. This dream has been taken away from me and I don't think I'll ever be the same. I've really got no other choice but to look at other options. Like I said before, there are a few places in the U.S. that perform a treatment where they extract bone marrow stem cells and inject them into the bald/balding areas of your scalp to hopefully replace the damaged stem cells and promote hair regrowth. Except these procedures are performed by three 'naturopaths'. I also came across the Sparsh Clinic (http://www.sparshclinic.com/sparshpage.asp?id=22) which shows some amazing hair regrowth results. Not sure I believe it though. I just cannot sit back and accept this shit any longer. If there don't appear to be any options than the FDA-approved shit, then I'm just gonna have to go out and find some.
And one last thing that came to my mind. I just can't stand it when people like Larry David and that George Costanza character from Seinfeld constantly joke about baldness. I think it does a real disservice, portraying baldness as some comical condition rather than a miserable disease. Maybe they're all happy and content that they look like shit and just don't care.

05-25-2011, 01:53 AM
I know it's a good thing that we have sites to talk about our suffering and miseries because of hair loss but Unfortunately, at the end of the day you look in the mirror and you're hit with the brutal reality for the trillionth time - you're still losing your hair and...THERE IS NOT A DAMN THING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. I hate that feeling like nothing else. Many many years ago I used to think if I do go bald there's always HT. That was my only comfort and reassurance against this ****ing curse. But now...I have shit.

Those clinics you talk about, if they really had a good HL treatment, how come no body's ever heard about them? That's what makes me suspecious about people like these. If they really had something they'd be all over the news and the whole world wouldn've heard about them. A hair loss treatment if it's ever found would be BIG BIG news.

Like I said, if there is ever a place anywhere in the world that has a good treatment I'm walking there .

Yeah. I hate it too when people make fun of bald guys. I don't know who the mother ****er was who thought it was funny. But here's what I don't get, man losing his hair is funny and every body tries to say something about his hair loss thinking they're being funny. However, a woman losing her hair is seen as a tragic thing and god forbids someone says something about it. The bias is just sickening.

05-25-2011, 10:46 AM
Yeah, it really is frustrating as hell that there is no cure for this crap. I just hate this shit so much that I know I've got to do something; I just can't live with it. I'm very skeptical about this Sparsh Clinic too, but I've heard that in India they're doing experimental stem cell treatments for other diseases that they won't do here in the U.S. If there was actually a well-publicized widespread cure for hair loss, the media would be all over it; but if a treatment comes from a more obscure source, then I'm not sure that they would be. TRX2 made some bold claims about curing hair loss yet most of the media didn't pay any attention. Same with QR-678. I don't think TRX2 does a damn thing but QR-678 might. Recoverup made some bold claims when they said that injecting stem cells from adipose tissue would regrow hair yet the media really didn't cover it. If the cure came from the U.S. or the UK and not some third world country, the media would definitely cover it. But if it comes from an obscure place, they might not. Instead the media has a friggin orgasm when 'researchers' grow hair on a mouse for the 1,000th time and supposedly gain 'insight', 'clues', and 'alternate interpretations' that 'may', 'could', or 'might' lead to a treatment for hair loss 'someday'. I am skeptical of a lot of these third world treatments but I think we're more likely to get a successful treatment sooner over there than in the U.S. since they don't have the FDA in their faces and up their asses.
All I know is that I've got to do something cus I can't take this shit any longer. It ****in pisses me off so much. I've got a meeting with a doctor tomorrow and I'm gonna seriously consider that bone marrow stem cell thing. I just can't 'accept' this. And you're right, about baldness being joked about for men, yet tragic for women. Society and life is so ****ed up that it sometimes makes me wonder if life is even worth living.

05-28-2011, 11:39 AM
I don't know what we can do with this shit. It seems hair loss isn't something that medical research/researchers and the public give a shit about. I think mostly because it has to do with men. If it were women who had the same degree of hair loss I guarantee you it would be mandatory on all states to have research labs dedicated just to this problem. But because it's a man's problem who gives a **** ? Men's suffering has never been a concern, you know. If you're a man and balding and feel like shit about it, the majority of people tell you "you're a man" and you shouldn't worry about it ! They actually think there's something wrong with you if you feel depressed about it. But somehow, if it is a woman who's losing her hair she'll get all kind of sympathy from people. I don't get it. Who decides this shit ?? Who decides a man shouldn't care about his hair ??????????? Yeah man, society IS ****ed up, BIG time. I've always said that.

The other thing, I still can't shake the thought that special interest groups ARE pressing the FDA crooks NOT to allow any real solution to be found.

I don't believe there's anything we can do right now, well, beside what we already have. This bone marrow stuff isn't there. It's probably all talk as usual. Like I said, if there were any real treatment for hair loss out there even the dead would've heard about it.

The helplessness and despair I feel is unimaginable. I'm sure you feel the same way.
I personally think life is ****ing shit and it ISNT worth living. Too ****ing bad suicide isn't an option. I don't believe in this 2012 crap they keep talking about but I sure do hope some asteroid or whatever shit out there hits this god damn planet and puts us all out of our misery.

05-30-2011, 11:36 AM
Hey man, I totally feel where you're coming from. There really aren't any effective solutions out there. I see so many people using these products that are such SHIT, just grasping at any hope that something will work. I see posts about Emu Oil, Green Tea, Saw Palmetto, Cayenne Peppers, and TRX2, just utter shit that isn't going to work at all. This really shows what kind of shit options we have out there. But I really have no choice but to seek out some stem cell treatments. Sitting around and just 'accepting it' is not an option for me. I'm not going to live life hating the way that I look in the mirror and I'm not gonnna dick around with ineffective crap like Rogaine and Propecia. And the more I see and read about hair transplants, the more I dislike about it. I mean, I just think that there are so many faults with that procedure. It's just absolutely inexcusable that we don't have better options out there.
And you're right, if women were suffering from this condition, it would absolutely be viewed differently. Women today have the world by the balls, man. All they do is bat their pretty little eyes and pucker their lips, and guys melt at their every whim. Yet we have pieces of shit like Larry David who love to make fun of and marginalize our condition. I'd love to take that guy's librarian bifocals and shove them up his ass.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: it is just so inexcusable and unbelievable that we don't have more people/companies working to cure this disease. It absolutely makes me sick. And I agree, most times I don't believe that life is worth living. Most days I wish that I would fall asleep and never wake up, as opposed to having to get up and face the day with this horrible disease.

05-30-2011, 11:39 AM
Hey man, I totally feel where you're coming from. There really aren't any effective solutions out there. I see so many people using these products that are such SHIT, just grasping at any hope that something will work. I see posts about Emu Oil, Green Tea, Saw Palmetto, Cayenne Peppers, and TRX2, just utter shit that isn't going to work at all. This really shows what kind of shit options we have out there. But I really have no choice but to seek out some stem cell treatments. Sitting around and just 'accepting it' is not an option for me. I'm not going to live life hating the way that I look in the mirror and I'm not gonnna dick around with ineffective crap like Rogaine and Propecia. And the more I see and read about hair transplants, the more I dislike about it. I mean, I just think that there are so many faults with that procedure. It's just absolutely inexcusable that we don't have better options out there.
And you're right, if women were suffering from this condition, it would absolutely be viewed differently. Women today have the world by the balls, man. All they do is bat their pretty little eyes and pucker their lips, and guys melt at their every whim. Yet we have pieces of shit like Larry David who love to make fun of and marginalize our condition. I'd love to take that guy's librarian bifocals and shove them up his ass.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: it is just so inexcusable and unbelievable that we don't have more people/companies working to cure this disease. It absolutely makes me sick. And I agree, most times I don't believe that life is worth living. Most days I wish that I would fall asleep and never wake up, as opposed to having to get up and face the day with this horrible disease.

Amen to that - we really dont have any type of realistic treatment. What a crock industry.