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k9gatton
10-16-2016, 07:08 PM
Spiro is a better treatment than Progesterone for females, so I'm not going to touch that subject in this thread.

Although this didn't do much for my hairline (twenty new terminal hairs), it did do quite a lot for my vertex area. However, I currently use it on both.

Started January 2016 (.25% Progesterone). In September the amount was doubled to .5%.

Currently I am using a topical formula that contains .5% Progesterone. In "theory", every .1% is equal to one milligram of medication.

Left picture - January 2016.

Right picture - September 2016

k9gatton
10-19-2016, 04:44 AM
My progress pictures. Have pictures of both the vertex and hairline. Took topical
Progesterone after three months. The vertex is filling in.

Currently taking twice the amount of Progesterone (.5% since September 2016).

Pittdawg
10-30-2016, 09:07 AM
Do you apply the cream directly to the scalp only?

k9gatton
10-30-2016, 10:51 AM
Do you apply the cream directly to the scalp only?

Yes. Only on diffuse/or bald areas.

k9gatton
11-05-2016, 03:09 PM
See latest terminal hair regrowth. Taken November 5th, 2016:

scooterboy
11-07-2016, 08:18 AM
See latest terminal hair regrowth. Taken November 5th, 2016:Were are you getting your high dose Progesterone from ?

tomjones1
11-07-2016, 06:18 PM
K9gatton, congrats on your success. I'd like to ask you a few questions if you wouldn't mind?
-You are on a heavy duty proven regimen. What makes you so sure the progesterone is responsible for your success?
-I've been doing a lot of reading on Progesterone and for every one success post I find, I also find three posts (throughout internet) stating how it made things significantly worse. This is very confusing and worrisome.
-Can you please state the specific progesterone .25% product you started off with? Purchase online? I'm considering trying it as you stated you had success on it. I do however fear it will cause problems to my hair as I'm not on any treatments (bad sides before even on reduced fin and minox) therefore do not have that protection that you have. Thanks for your responses!!

k9gatton
11-07-2016, 06:30 PM
K9gatton, congrats on your success. I'd like to ask you a few questions if you wouldn't mind?
-You are on a heavy duty proven regimen. What makes you so sure the progesterone is responsible for your success?
-I've been doing a lot of reading on Progesterone and for every one success post I find, I also find three posts (throughout internet) stating how it made things significantly worse. This is very confusing and worrisome.
-Can you please state the specific progesterone .25% product you started off with? Purchase online? I'm considering trying it as you stated you had success on it. I do however fear it will cause problems to my hair as I'm not on any treatments (bad sides before even on reduced fin and minox) therefore do not have that protection that you have. Thanks for your responses!!

Getting it from https://www.medicalwellnesscenter.com/

If they approve your prescription, you pay for each refill to Murray Avenue Acotherapy. They make all of the concentrated Minoxidil solutions in Pittsburgh, PA.

FYI: You don't have to have a high level of Minoxidil. They actually sell them in different strengths. They are creams. They sell in 12.5%, 15% Minoxidil as well. Also, you can combine it with lower dosages.


This is what I highly recommend, so you won't ruin your hair. Combine it with .1% Hydrocortisone. That is anti inflammatory. Also combine with Finasteride. You probably don't need retinol or any other chemicals for that matter.

Good luck.


Started balding before Progesterone. Also cut my Minoxidil in half. The problem was I thought the liquid Finasteride was doing the work, but it wasn't.

As soon as I used the Progesterone, my hair started regrowing. Also, it doesn't fall out, when it does, it is much less than a "full head" person. I have maybe a few hairs fall out per weak. The hair on top grows faster than my sides or back as well.

k9gatton
11-07-2016, 06:31 PM
Were are you getting your high dose Progesterone from ?


Medical Wellness Center. Online script. You only pay if you're approved. https://www.medicalwellnesscenter.com/

tomjones1
11-07-2016, 06:43 PM
Thanks however I would much prefer to try the progesterone without minoxidil if thats possible? I get the feeling I am out of luck. Minoxidil in the past bloated my face and gave wrinkles and insomnia even at low dose. This sucks.

k9gatton
11-07-2016, 06:58 PM
Thanks however I would much prefer to try the progesterone without minoxidil if thats possible? I get the feeling I am out of luck. Minoxidil in the past bloated my face and gave wrinkles and insomnia even at low dose. This sucks.


Don't know if it is or not. You would have to adjust/talk with a doctor on medicalwellnesscenter.com. Understand what you're saying. It probably is possible, believe it or not. They could answer you. And it's free of charge.

doke
11-09-2016, 04:30 AM
Re people in uk you can get minoxidil mixed with medroxy-progestorone and quite cheap mainly up to 5%minoxidil unless you go to a certain clinic in London where I think its a rip off price.
As im not a shill I do not want to add company names that sell these treatments but I know of 3 that I use in uk that do not require any fees to purchase.

elvispresley
11-09-2016, 04:48 AM
hello k9gatton , im in malaysia do you know where i can buy the progesterone online, can you gaive me the exact name of the topical so that i can search online and at the pharmacy , thank you very much ;)

please also the cost x month or per quantity if you can thx

doke
11-09-2016, 05:51 AM
Jazz have you thought of asking how much compounding a lotion or cream of the Arthritis drug Tofacitinib citrate might cost?

k9gatton
11-09-2016, 04:10 PM
hello k9gatton , im in malaysia do you know where i can buy the progesterone online, can you gaive me the exact name of the topical so that i can search online and at the pharmacy , thank you very much ;)

please also the cost x month or per quantity if you can thx

Get it at https://www.medicalwellnesscenter.com/. Make sure they ship to Malaysia.

You should contact Murray Avenue Acotherapy. That is the ONLY pharmacy they allow to make the product.

Because if they don't ship it, you will be charged for the online evaluation. But you will lose your money
since you cannot order it online.

k9gatton
11-09-2016, 04:57 PM
Re people in uk you can get minoxidil mixed with medroxy-progestorone and quite cheap mainly up to 5%minoxidil unless you go to a certain clinic in London where I think its a rip off price.
As im not a shill I do not want to add company names that sell these treatments but I know of 3 that I use in uk that do not require any fees to purchase.


A friend of mine tried Aprikot-T ? That put him from a Norwood 2.5/3 to a Norwood zero. It has estrogen in it, but it definitely does the trick. He regrew all of his hair. He's in his twenties. It's usually easier for men to grow hair back after they recently lose it.

goldnt
11-12-2016, 09:42 PM
Hey Im clueless when it comes to progesterone so bare with me lol. But im wondering if i can i place this on my head or is it no the same thing? Shame spiro was canceled.

https://www.amazon.com/Source-Naturals-Natural-Progesterone-Cream/dp/B000GFJJHY/ref=sr_1_1_s_it?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1479011850&sr=1-1&keywords=progesterone&th=1

k9gatton
11-13-2016, 12:05 PM
Hey Im clueless when it comes to progesterone so bare with me lol. But im wondering if i can i place this on my head or is it no the same thing? Shame spiro was canceled.

https://www.amazon.com/Source-Naturals-Natural-Progesterone-Cream/dp/B000GFJJHY/ref=sr_1_1_s_it?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1479011850&sr=1-1&keywords=progesterone&th=1


Wouldn't try this if you're a male. It appears to have a lot higher strength and is designed for women going through menopause.

Would not recommend that product. Would stick to prescribed Progesterone topical treatments, for hair.

goldnt
11-18-2016, 07:50 PM
I decided to go the compounding pharmacy website to see if they sold any products without a script and they do.

I found their progesterone leave in treatment at a strength of 2%.

https://murrayavenueapothecary.vendecommerce.com/hair-loss/products/progesterone-leave-in-treatment

I decided to buy it. Now i'm not sure if its working as I have my hair buzzcut so i cant tell if hair loss has slowed down. But what I do know, is that when DHT is not attaching itself to the androgen receptor of my hair, I don't get those constant burning sensations on my scalp. Those sensations are what indicate me when hair loss is occurring. As it continues the root of my hair becomes inflamed and finally falls out.

So as of now even with the product Ive still been getting those sensations which has me believing its not working or working enough. With that being said i just wanted to let you know about this product I found. I think ill be moving back to RU but premade with KB. Ru certainly worked for me but with problems in the past. I'm a diffuse thinner and so when i had long hair I had to use a lot of Ru to cover my head completely. Unfortunately it had gone systematic and given me gyno. Hopefully this time since my hair is so short i can avoid that situation again.

HTsoon
11-18-2016, 08:48 PM
What are the side effects? Progesterone is a potent 5 alpha reductase inhibitor, I would assume it would have similar side effects as finasteride, currently using minoxidil and ketocanozole with no negative effects, I've also heard of feeling excessively sleepy, any of you guys experience that?

cardib
11-18-2016, 10:42 PM
whats apricot t?

k9gatton
11-19-2016, 03:59 AM
What are the side effects? Progesterone is a potent 5 alpha reductase inhibitor, I would assume it would have similar side effects as finasteride, currently using minoxidil and ketocanozole with no negative effects, I've also heard of feeling excessively sleepy, any of you guys experience that?

Progesterone is a natural hormone men produce, but in much smaller amounts then women do. Haven't had any erection difficulties, which is common for many men in their forties. Would rate myself the same
as other men my age, in that respect.


Progesterone has the opposite effect on the hair than DHT. It keeps it from falling out, and resting. In some ways it is a hair growth stimulant as well, and performs the tasks that Minoxidil does.

Progesterone in women is used to keep the fetus alive. This is true for both female and male fetuses.

Even now, I lose less hair than the average "full head" guy. It's definitely much smaller than a hundred hairs a day.

Haven't had any sleepy side effects, in fact I'm wired with a lot of energy. Sometimes too much energy. That's just genes, not Progesterone.

k9gatton
11-19-2016, 07:06 AM
whats apricot t?

A medication I should have tried in my twenties!! ;)

Saltynuts
12-05-2016, 03:59 PM
LOL Apricot T.... yeah... right....

k9gatton
12-05-2016, 06:56 PM
I decided to go the compounding pharmacy website to see if they sold any products without a script and they do.

I found their progesterone leave in treatment at a strength of 2%.

https://murrayavenueapothecary.vendecommerce.com/hair-loss/products/progesterone-leave-in-treatment

I decided to buy it. Now i'm not sure if its working as I have my hair buzzcut so i cant tell if hair loss has slowed down. But what I do know, is that when DHT is not attaching itself to the androgen receptor of my hair, I don't get those constant burning sensations on my scalp. Those sensations are what indicate me when hair loss is occurring. As it continues the root of my hair becomes inflamed and finally falls out.

So as of now even with the product Ive still been getting those sensations which has me believing its not working or working enough. With that being said i just wanted to let you know about this product I found. I think ill be moving back to RU but premade with KB. Ru certainly worked for me but with problems in the past. I'm a diffuse thinner and so when i had long hair I had to use a lot of Ru to cover my head completely. Unfortunately it had gone systematic and given me gyno. Hopefully this time since my hair is so short i can avoid that situation again.

Good to hear from, my friend. Heard you got a transplant?

Tried their biotin, and I really didn't have any success (Murray's biotin solution, not prescribed by MedicalWellnessCenter).

After that, I kind of lost faith in the non prescribed medications. I'm just sticking to prescriptions.

I'm trying to grow my hair out this year. Might even grow it long again.

k9gatton
12-05-2016, 06:57 PM
LOL Apricot T.... yeah... right....

There is an estrogen topical solution. A friend of mine used it. He regrew almost ninety
percent of his hair. He also had lots of success.

The problem is I can't order it from the US. Otherwise, I would be using that treatment as well.

k9gatton
12-05-2016, 06:59 PM
What are the side effects? Progesterone is a potent 5 alpha reductase inhibitor, I would assume it would have similar side effects as finasteride, currently using minoxidil and ketocanozole with no negative effects, I've also heard of feeling excessively sleepy, any of you guys experience that?


There really isn't any side effects that I've had. Progesterone is a growth stimulator and an anti DHT medication.

Women produce a lot more than men. It's been studied in women, and found that spiro is more successful in women. However, Progesterone alone did have success in women. It was done in an international government study.

It hasn't been studied in men, however. Keep in mind it can raise estrogen levels. That is a risk that
comes with taking it.

doke
12-06-2016, 04:00 AM
Re medroxyprogestorone its been added to minoxidil in 0.25% for many years and I used it in the late 80s and 90s and in 4 and 5% minoxidil from well known uk clinics and today is still sold and for me it helped quite a bit in them days.
When I got fed up applying it I hair slowly started to thin again I noticed how much it helped.
Now I did get days when sometimes I got really tired about 12 miday I did think it was due to getting up at 6 am for work but im not so sure.
Anyway its good for if you still have hair but on the front where I had receaded and was shiny bald it did not do anything so I did an experiment where I left using for a month or two and noticed I was getting bad thinning so I returned to using the 4% minoxidil mix and in two weeks my hair was thickening up again.
What I did do was use twice a day and add more then 1ml on the bad front and crown loss until I got the result I was happy with.
But now im in my late 50s leaving it so long without using due to being lazy to apply perhaps I would have kept more hair.
I am back on proscar I take half on Monday, Wed And Friday and after shedding a lot in the drain started to slow the loss down again.
So I wonder is it worth going back on the minox 5% with progest in combo with proscar or using minox foam with a natural progesterone cream the only thing I like about the mix of minox contained in a lotion its good to only apply in one go.
Anyone who may have tried different clinics 5% mix may notice if applying say 1.5mls that your scalp when dried is white and I did contact the supplier and he said that this does happen so that's a pain to be honest.

Saltynuts
12-06-2016, 10:22 AM
There is an estrogen topical solution. A friend of mine used it. He regrew almost ninety
percent of his hair. He also had lots of success.

The problem is I can't order it from the US. Otherwise, I would be using that treatment as well.


Oh yea? 90%? Might you point me to said topical solution?

scooterboy
12-06-2016, 10:52 AM
He got 90% of his hair back . What's the product ?

k9gatton
12-06-2016, 04:39 PM
Aprikat T, I believe? They don't sell it in the US. He lives in the UK. He gets
it by script there. I can't find any links to it.

It's a topical estrogen based substance. I never used it. But he definitely
got good results.

funkville
12-07-2016, 06:33 PM
Re people in uk you can get minoxidil mixed with medroxy-progestorone and quite cheap mainly up to 5%minoxidil unless you go to a certain clinic in London where I think its a rip off price.
As im not a shill I do not want to add company names that sell these treatments but I know of 3 that I use in uk that do not require any fees to purchase.

hey doke im from the uk also. where do you know to get things things mixed. ive been on 12.5% belgravia but its a rip off like you said. pm if you dont want to say cheers

doke
12-08-2016, 04:00 AM
Hi the clinics I have used only do the 5% with progest not the 12.5%.