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Parker317
08-26-2016, 10:11 AM
I'm sure this topic has been brought up many times before, but it's almost 2017 and I'm wondering if any of you have stumbled upon any new info regarding this.

I usually go to the gym 3-4 times a week. I'm not a biggest or strongest guy, but I do like to push some weights around here and there. 6'1 210 pounds and just enjoy about 45-60 minutes of weightlifting followed by about 15-30 minutes of cardio (depending on my effort levels, lol).

I just started Fin slightly over a week ago. Been to the gym three times since. I'm aware the drug probably hasn't actually been in my system long enough to see change, but the last week has seemed totally fine at the gym. I'm wondering if I will lose any progress/lose strength. Or possibly even gain strength or tone down a bit? I've read differing stuff online that some guys actually experience increase in T and therefore get a bit more cut.

Wondering if any of you could input on this topic, thanks guys!

richardd1972
08-26-2016, 03:05 PM
I've been taking both Propecia and Avodart off and on for about 15 years but never at the same time. I've never noticed any sexual side effects and progress at the gym did not seem to matter whether on or off these meds. The anecdotes that these meds increase your testosterone levels comes from their action of preventing testosterone from converting to DHT. This in theory would make you have a higher T level. I agree there is a lot of conflicting stores on the net. A few years ago I met with a HRT doc and asked him about this and his answer was that these meds probably would not affect my T levels in any noticeable way but if anything they would probably result a little in having higher levels of Total testosterone versus Free which is what really matters. If you're curious I would ask my doc to get a lab order for your T levels now so you can have a baseline then get them checked again in 6 months or a year. You can actually get a lab order online and print it out if you don't want to bother with an appointment and or keep it private.

Parker317
08-26-2016, 03:59 PM
Hey Richard,

Appreciate the response. Interesting to hear you've been on/off for 15 years - can I ask how your results have been?
As for the lab tests, I think that's actually a great idea. I just had bloodwork done a few months ago I can use as my reference.

Thanks for the advice.

richardd1972
08-26-2016, 06:32 PM
Interesting part is after all my procedures I got the density I wanted and stopped using the Avodart two years ago after having a 1700 graft procedure thinking it was not doing anything. Did not notice any loss but got more density as the procedure grew in. It was not until about 3 months ago I started comparing my pics from two years ago prior to the 1700 graft procedure and realized I had less hair two years after my procedure. I quite certain that stopping the Avodart after several years was the reason for my I have less hair now than after a 1700 graft procedure. I just had a 1200 graft procedure 3 weeks ago in hopes of getting back to where I was two years ago. I also started Avodart daily and will keep using it as I feel at least for me it's slowing down my progression and now that it's generic I picked up a 90 day supply for 60 bucks. If it's not giving you side effects and is not slowing you down I feel it's worth taking even if you're not positive it's working. Just my opinion.

Parker317
09-07-2016, 04:22 PM
bump

Cabeceira
09-21-2016, 12:06 PM
I've been taking both Propecia and Avodart off and on for about 15 years but never at the same time. I've never noticed any sexual side effects and progress at the gym did not seem to matter whether on or off these meds. The anecdotes that these meds increase your testosterone levels comes from their action of preventing testosterone from converting to DHT. This in theory would make you have a higher T level. I agree there is a lot of conflicting stores on the net. A few years ago I met with a HRT doc and asked him about this and his answer was that these meds probably would not affect my T levels in any noticeable way but if anything they would probably result a little in having higher levels of Total testosterone versus Free which is what really matters. If you're curious I would ask my doc to get a lab order for your T levels now so you can have a baseline then get them checked again in 6 months or a year. You can actually get a lab order online and print it out if you don't want to bother with an appointment and or keep it private.

same here. I'm agree with you

Parker317
09-21-2016, 12:27 PM
I have noticed I don't recover as well, I'm more sore the next morning when on Fin.

Nevy
01-11-2017, 04:05 AM
This thread is a little old now but I had a hair transplant about 6 months ago and started using Proscar (fin) thereafter. I am in the same boat as the initial poster: train 3 to 4 times a week, not exactly buff but I like to keep in shape and lift along with cardio but in the form of swimming. I read up about proscar before I took it and I know it's used to treat people with prostate cancer. I understood the possible side effect and the one that worried me the most was loss of libido, however after taking this for the last 5 months and training for the last 2 I have not witnessed any side effects thus far. My training is going well and I am improving week on week. I am also happy to report that my libido, if anything, has got better not worse. I understand the medication effects different people in different ways so I can't say the same will be for everyone but I thought it was worth sharing my 2 cents.

billybong
01-16-2017, 02:26 PM
I've been using finasteride since 2013 now, and I find I am more muscular than I was before. I always had a manual job, never really did much specific weight lifting, well maybe a little bit.

I got interested a little in molecular chemistry last year, and thought I'd look at the structure of finasteride.

It's really interesting how it turns out that finasteride and dutasteride are actually structurally very similar to testosterone. And can actually themselves be considered steroids (or azasteroids).

This is testosterone:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone#/media/File:Testosteron.svg

This is nandrolone:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nandrolone#/media/File:Nandrolone.svg

You have to sit there for a short time and play spot the difference between those. So when I say "Nandrolone is a structural analogue of testosterone", you'll know what I mean.

But then look at finasteride:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finasteride#/media/File:Finasteride.svg

Dutasteride:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutasteride#/media/File:Dutasteride.svg

I think it's possible that fin and dut can themselves be utilised by the body in much the same way that testosterone does, as a steroid to repair the body etc. It's just that it can't produce DHT as a secondary metabolite

CanadianGuy
02-10-2017, 12:01 PM
I also enjoy lifting and am an average gym guy 3x's a week with decent weights and use a whey protein (Six Star WPI) after workouts to replenish the muscles and recovery time, but not looking to become jacked like Mr Universe lol.

I tried Proscar 5mg cut into four little 1.25's back in October and found testicular shrinkage after two weeks and a decreased libido/erection strength which freaked me out and I stopped. Is that normal for starting the drug or no? I figure stop before any other bad stuff happened down there and now I am fearful to even try Propecia as a result. This was also not when I was lifting as I started up again only 6 weeks ago and noticed faster hairloss once I started. Would love to hear your thoughts gents.

billybong
02-11-2017, 03:03 AM
IMO, it's not normal. But if you get those effects, then don't take it.

BTW, proscar and propecia are just brand names, they are both finasteride. So the propecia will give you the same effects as the proscar (I personally cut my proscar into 6 or 8 pieces and take one piece each day)

I have a theory as to why finasteride can do this to some people and not others. I have a fairly high meat/fat/cholesterol diet, so my body has no problems producing testosterone on the fly everyday. But I speculate that if you have a low cholesterol diet, then you need the DHT, because stays around a lot longer than the testosterone.

CanadianGuy
02-21-2017, 12:40 AM
^ The diet is EVERYTHING. For training and for general health. I used to work in a job where I was sitting all the time and that is terrible for your health. I now move around a lot more and notice I am getting really fit really quickly and I have actually cut the cholesterol and fats along with a significant reduction in red meats while adding a significant amount of veggies and fruits to the diet. My energy levels are higher than they have been but unfortunately the hairloss as a result of lifting weights has accelerated.

I'd like to know if you took Fin (Proscar) in quarters (1.25's) before cutting them into smaller pieces. Once I took the 1.25's within two weeks it was unreal to see the shrinkage.

JAYROBZ
02-22-2017, 04:36 PM
I'm actually a natural bodybuilder, I ran a cycle of testostone and Decca durabolin years ago but it did my hair no good, so I've never touched AAS since. It's a fact lifting weights rises Test and DHT levels but not near enough to over run finasteride! If any thing it's only going to do your body good to boost the free T levels! I'm only 22 if anybody is wondering, I've been in the gym since 15! Bodybuilding since 18! imo fin and weight lifting are actually a great mix, it's only going to rise t levels, DHT will be getting blocked despite if you lift or not, I know this due to people running high dosage AAS that are strong DHT derogatives and they're results aren't as great if they're running fin!

Unless you're adding a DHT related compound into the body you'll be fine, stay away from anything that rises DHT if you wanna keep your hair, it's shit really because DHT is 3x as potent as testosterone and it really adds muscle, strength, vascularaity etc.. This is why fin causes bloating, water retention the complete opposite basically, sucks.. But my hairs is equally as important to me