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JohnMPB
05-21-2016, 12:52 PM
Does anybody suffer from anxiety and/or depression here? After speaking to a therapist it seems I have been suffering from anxiety for a good portion of my life. Whenever I become overly anxious my scalp becomes severely inflamed and I lose more hair. My weak areas like hairline thin out even more. My sleep also suffers due to anxiety and I truly believe this combination increases hair loss.

Anyone have experience with meds to help anxiety? My therapist spoke to me about antidepressants and she suggests I get on some soon. I have read hair loss is a common side effect of antidepressants.

patrick21
05-22-2016, 08:42 PM
Hey man,

Sorry to hear what you're going through.

I think many of us have been there because of our hair. Especially the younger guys.
I've never personally taken anti depressants but I've had friends that have and it turned a few of them into robots - they seemed very dull. All of them seem to go on and off so I am not sure how much they help.

I always recommend finding ways to handle anxiety naturally. I have chronic insomnia and gets worse when I stress. Which in turn makes me hair worse.

I've been at my best when I follow a schedule. Gym at the same time, consistent with work, keeping my mind busy with friends or family or business. Reading helps.

Next, there is some kind of cheesy stuff but even essential oils, candles, and other remedies that can help a bit without ****ing your hormones up.

Try to regularly see a therapist regularly - talking helps and can help find the root of your anxiety.

Best of luck

JohnMPB
05-22-2016, 10:10 PM
Patrick,
Thanks a lot for your advice bud. You've given me the most sincere answer out of all the replies (I posted the same question on other forums). I agree with you as I'm a bit adamant in terms of taking meds, at least this early on. My therapist basically said she feels like there is a slim chance of someone in my shoes who has been dealing with anxiety so long and so severe to see improvement with just talk therapy. She thinks the best way forward for me is meds in tandem with talk therapy.

I agree, that a good schedule and keeping busy are key.

I think a huge part of my downfall was not only hair loss but being in a toxic work environment for the last 6 years. The amount of stress and overwork I've been through has been detrimental to my mental well being.

Care to share some of your other treatments you use? I think all those little things can make a difference.

patrick21
05-22-2016, 11:29 PM
I was reading GQ years ago and an article in there taught me something I will carry with me forever: "Every man needs a good tailor, and even better therapist."

I don't tell any of my friends I see one, but it's been a crucial part of my successes in many aspects. It's something I would highly recommend with anyone - nothing to be embarrassed about. If you are open to the idea, even seeing a second therapist may be a good idea. I sometimes find some doctors are quick to dish out medicine. The best thing about them is you can try them out for a bit and if they affect you in a way you don't like - easy to get off them. I am not overly familiar with antidepressants but I don't think there is any long-term effects if you were to get off them.

Are you still working in this environment? Maybe a job switch would be a huge leap forward - I would think your hair may be falling out even faster because of the environment you work in.

After some surgeries, hair loss, opening a business, bad break up and propecia to top it all over, I definitely hit a point where I was very close to taking antidepressants. Also, I have family members who battle with anxiety, high levels of stress, etc.


I tried to correct my mental well-being as naturally as possible because I reacted so badly to propecia - it was certainly the worst decision of my life to go on it so I was pretty against any medication for the time being.

Over the course of my downfall, I fell out of habits that I knew were good for me so I slowly tried to correct it.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, lifestyle changes are crucial.

I took steps towards getting back into working out regularly - even mixing in my favorite sport basketball which I stopped playing for years. I focused on my business more, working extra hours to keep busy (although the stress is high). I pushed many friends away during my downfall, so I've tried to reconnect with a close few for things like golf or drinks. Spend more time with my family again.

I've added in a few natural treatments - nothing too crazy but I find it helps. My hair is a big focal point of my life and since it causes me a lot of stress and anxiety, I knew I had to try and focus on it. I had to accept I was losing my hair, simple as that. I became active in looking and researching different surgeons for when I was finally ready for a hair transplant - knowing I did my research made me stress a little less. I also was recommended by a dermatologist to take pumpkin seed oil pills and put rosemary extract on my head to encourage blood flow. I don't do the extract regularly but whenever I am home for the night and nothing to rush to, I put it in my hair and just let it dry on its on then go to bed.

I can't say for sure if it's helping, but I certainly don't think it has hurt - it may have slowed down some of my hair loss even.

I also have two essential oils - one is a citrus one for any time use that I can dab on my wrist whenever I am feeling stressed. Also, a classic lavender which I try to use before bed. As I mentioned, I have chronic insomnia so I can be go days with 3 or less hours of sleep per night - especially if my anxiety gets bad. I speak from experience, no person should have to lose so much sleep - your mind can take you to horrible places.

I'll cut this long post off but I also want to mention my downfall was not long ago, just over a year ago when I lost my grandfather, whom I was extremely close to. So it has only been about 8 months that I have been trying to correct myself. It's a long process and I am still trying to learn more techniques to help. I chip away at sleeping better, working out better, eating better, and simply living better but I am far from fixing it all.

Personally, and I recommend, exhaust all natural options before choosing meds.

pkipling
05-23-2016, 11:27 PM
Hey man. Patrick has already given you very sound advice/support, and I just wanted to chime in as well.

I never experienced a clinical depression, but did deal with anxiety (specifically in the form of OCD) for 20 years or so before I sought out treatment. I went to a therapist for almost 2 years and it was one of the best things I've ever done. She helped me with my general anxiety/dealing with life/stress/etc. and I went to a specialized OCD Center to deal with that specific aspect of it. We did Cognitive Behavioral Therapy and it's extremely effective and most people see results within a few months.

I had a doctor put me on Prozac for a couple months in college and I hated the way it made me feel. Aside from that, I've never taken any prescription medications for it. If your therapist truly believes it will help you, I am in no place to tell you otherwise. It could be just what you need. However, I do believe that we live in a medicated culture these days and often times people are taking medication that maybe they don't necessarily need. This is something only you can know for yourself and you make the decision that is best for you.

I'm not sure what your spiritual life is like, but that's something that has also helped me tremendously. Whether this be religion, meditation, etc. it can really help with stress/anxiety if used in the right way. Personally, I do meditation exercises from A Course in Miracles and they really help to ground me and keep my mind at peace. This sort of approach isn't for everyone, but it's also something to consider.

Physical activity is also very helpful, from running to lifting weights to hiking to various sports. Whatever you are drawn to that will help get your heart rate up and get your mind focused on something else.

Hoping this is of some sort of help to you. Take what you want and leave what you don't. :)

I am a patient advocate for Dr. Parsa Mohebi in Los Angeles, CA. My views/opinions are my own and don't necessarily reflect the opinions of Dr. Mohebi and his staff.

JohnMPB
05-25-2016, 08:30 PM
I was reading GQ years ago and an article in there taught me something I will carry with me forever: "Every man needs a good tailor, and even better therapist."

I don't tell any of my friends I see one, but it's been a crucial part of my successes in many aspects. It's something I would highly recommend with anyone - nothing to be embarrassed about. If you are open to the idea, even seeing a second therapist may be a good idea. I sometimes find some doctors are quick to dish out medicine. The best thing about them is you can try them out for a bit and if they affect you in a way you don't like - easy to get off them. I am not overly familiar with antidepressants but I don't think there is any long-term effects if you were to get off them.

Are you still working in this environment? Maybe a job switch would be a huge leap forward - I would think your hair may be falling out even faster because of the environment you work in.

After some surgeries, hair loss, opening a business, bad break up and propecia to top it all over, I definitely hit a point where I was very close to taking antidepressants. Also, I have family members who battle with anxiety, high levels of stress, etc.


I tried to correct my mental well-being as naturally as possible because I reacted so badly to propecia - it was certainly the worst decision of my life to go on it so I was pretty against any medication for the time being.

Over the course of my downfall, I fell out of habits that I knew were good for me so I slowly tried to correct it.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, lifestyle changes are crucial.

I took steps towards getting back into working out regularly - even mixing in my favorite sport basketball which I stopped playing for years. I focused on my business more, working extra hours to keep busy (although the stress is high). I pushed many friends away during my downfall, so I've tried to reconnect with a close few for things like golf or drinks. Spend more time with my family again.

I've added in a few natural treatments - nothing too crazy but I find it helps. My hair is a big focal point of my life and since it causes me a lot of stress and anxiety, I knew I had to try and focus on it. I had to accept I was losing my hair, simple as that. I became active in looking and researching different surgeons for when I was finally ready for a hair transplant - knowing I did my research made me stress a little less. I also was recommended by a dermatologist to take pumpkin seed oil pills and put rosemary extract on my head to encourage blood flow. I don't do the extract regularly but whenever I am home for the night and nothing to rush to, I put it in my hair and just let it dry on its on then go to bed.

I can't say for sure if it's helping, but I certainly don't think it has hurt - it may have slowed down some of my hair loss even.

I also have two essential oils - one is a citrus one for any time use that I can dab on my wrist whenever I am feeling stressed. Also, a classic lavender which I try to use before bed. As I mentioned, I have chronic insomnia so I can be go days with 3 or less hours of sleep per night - especially if my anxiety gets bad. I speak from experience, no person should have to lose so much sleep - your mind can take you to horrible places.

I'll cut this long post off but I also want to mention my downfall was not long ago, just over a year ago when I lost my grandfather, whom I was extremely close to. So it has only been about 8 months that I have been trying to correct myself. It's a long process and I am still trying to learn more techniques to help. I chip away at sleeping better, working out better, eating better, and simply living better but I am far from fixing it all.

Personally, and I recommend, exhaust all natural options before choosing meds.

Patrick,
Again thanks for the advice. Unfortunately I am still working at the same place, I am almost fully convinced I need to quit. I have already kind of made an exit strategy. Almost 6 years of that hellish place is too much to bear. I just have too many bad memories and whenever I step foot there in the morning I feel horrible.

I think we have a couple things in common. I recently had shoulder surgery so I have had to stop physical activity like the gym for quite some time- I truly felt th gym kept me somewhat sane. I also went thru a breakup almost 2 months ago after a long 3 year relationship.

I'm sorry to hear about your grandfather. It sounds like you are in the right track. Just keep putting in effort and I'm sure life will get better for you. Thanks again

JohnMPB
05-25-2016, 08:34 PM
Hey man. Patrick has already given you very sound advice/support, and I just wanted to chime in as well.

I never experienced a clinical depression, but did deal with anxiety (specifically in the form of OCD) for 20 years or so before I sought out treatment. I went to a therapist for almost 2 years and it was one of the best things I've ever done. She helped me with my general anxiety/dealing with life/stress/etc. and I went to a specialized OCD Center to deal with that specific aspect of it. We did Cognitive Behavioral Therapy and it's extremely effective and most people see results within a few months.

I had a doctor put me on Prozac for a couple months in college and I hated the way it made me feel. Aside from that, I've never taken any prescription medications for it. If your therapist truly believes it will help you, I am in no place to tell you otherwise. It could be just what you need. However, I do believe that we live in a medicated culture these days and often times people are taking medication that maybe they don't necessarily need. This is something only you can know for yourself and you make the decision that is best for you.

I'm not sure what your spiritual life is like, but that's something that has also helped me tremendously. Whether this be religion, meditation, etc. it can really help with stress/anxiety if used in the right way. Personally, I do meditation exercises from A Course in Miracles and they really help to ground me and keep my mind at peace. This sort of approach isn't for everyone, but it's also something to consider.

Physical activity is also very helpful, from running to lifting weights to hiking to various sports. Whatever you are drawn to that will help get your heart rate up and get your mind focused on something else.

Hoping this is of some sort of help to you. Take what you want and leave what you don't. :)

I am a patient advocate for Dr. Parsa Mohebi in Los Angeles, CA. My views/opinions are my own and don't necessarily reflect the opinions of Dr. Mohebi and his staff.

Hi pkipling,
Thank you for responding. You and Patrick's advice have been nothing short of solid. I think you hit some solid points. I think you brought up something very important regarding spiritual life. Some of the most happy people I know are deeply involved in things like their religion. I think I need to focus on those things in life. I have already booked an appointment with a therapist as you have suggested. Again, I appreciate your input and wish you the best.

BBay
05-26-2016, 02:26 AM
If you do start on meds look to decreasing them while taking up the slack with natural remedies because there are always "side effects" with meds either short or long term effects

JohnMPB
05-26-2016, 10:25 AM
If you do start on meds look to decreasing them while taking up the slack with natural remedies because there are always "side effects" with meds either short or long term effects

Hi bbay,
What type of natural remedies do you suggest? Do you have first hand experience with antidepressants? From my understanding I was told I may have a chemical imbalance which requires the meds. Thanks for your help.

BBay
05-27-2016, 03:53 PM
Ok first off have you had your chemical levels checked to find the baseline? Once you have this start on the what the doctor recommends for you to take, after awhile and if you are feeling "ok" get them checked again. If you are not feeeling like you want to be introduce fulvic acid into your liquid drinks , get a good quality one, fulvic is the mineral accelerator for charging up the cells and multiplying the effect of the drugs you are consuming. Introduce only one substitute (mineral, vitamin, herbal remedy) at a time so you can monitor the effect of each one. Try St John's Wort it works for some people and had an ok effect for me. All the best but get on to it early. Of course cut down on the booze and other things that alter moods.

AlexieJ
05-27-2016, 06:50 PM
Can you really cure anxiety/depression by not taking some antidepressants? I guess it is better to talk to your doctor about it. Why not incorporate some natural remedies but still follow the advise of your doctor. I've suffered from depression 2 years ago and I always have a regular counseling from my psychiatrist. I can totally say that I am now 100% normal. You might be experiencing some low but I always ensure to talk to my psychiatrist.

JohnMPB
05-27-2016, 11:55 PM
Ok first off have you had your chemical levels checked to find the baseline? Once you have this start on the what the doctor recommends for you to take, after awhile and if you are feeling "ok" get them checked again. If you are not feeeling like you want to be introduce fulvic acid into your liquid drinks , get a good quality one, fulvic is the mineral accelerator for charging up the cells and multiplying the effect of the drugs you are consuming. Introduce only one substitute (mineral, vitamin, herbal remedy) at a time so you can monitor the effect of each one. Try St John's Wort it works for some people and had an ok effect for me. All the best but get on to it early. Of course cut down on the booze and other things that alter moods.

No I have not had this done. Is there such a test that measures Brain chemicals?

JohnMPB
05-27-2016, 11:56 PM
Can you really cure anxiety/depression by not taking some antidepressants? I guess it is better to talk to your doctor about it. Why not incorporate some natural remedies but still follow the advise of your doctor. I've suffered from depression 2 years ago and I always have a regular counseling from my psychiatrist. I can totally say that I am now 100% normal. You might be experiencing some low but I always ensure to talk to my psychiatrist.

Hi Alexie,
Do you see a psychologist or psychiatrist? Have you taken meds? If so which ones? What kind of things did your doctor have you do that cured you?
Thanks

Vic
05-28-2016, 05:11 AM
Does anybody suffer from anxiety and/or depression here? After speaking to a therapist it seems I have been suffering from anxiety for a good portion of my life. Whenever I become overly anxious my scalp becomes severely inflamed and I lose more hair. My weak areas like hairline thin out even more. My sleep also suffers due to anxiety and I truly believe this combination increases hair loss.

Anyone have experience with meds to help anxiety? My therapist spoke to me about antidepressants and she suggests I get on some soon. I have read hair loss is a common side effect of antidepressants.

There was a time I was where you are now but probably much worse. The best cure, better than any drug a lab can cook up, is exercise!

http://www.adaa.org/living-with-anxiety/managing-anxiety/exercise-stress-and-anxiety

A good diet will also work wonders. The only side affects of a good diet and exercise is probably going to be, better nights sleep, more blood flow to your scalp and better hair health.

Good luck bud.

Vic
05-28-2016, 05:45 AM
Some stuff you might want to read.

http://www.m.webmd.com/depression/guide/exercise-depression

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-athletes-way/201310/25-studies-confirm-exercise-prevents-depression

http://www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/exercise-and-depression-report-excerpt

Something to keep in mind, your doctor gets paid to prescribe you drugs. Big Pharma pays them to tell you that their pill can help you. From my own personal experience with both pills and living a healthy life style, avoid those pills at all costs!! It took me a year to recover from pills. Once you stop taking them, you are even worse then you were before! Your brain just doesn't function right. I started small, going on walks with my dog 1st thing in the mornings. Now I run between 1-2 miles a day and do high interval training 4 days a week for about 45 each time. Never felt better in my life. I've had anxiety my entire life, it's gone. I'm in total control now. I was the worst kinda depressed you can imagine. Now, I'm a person again.

Changing my diet was a great experience for me. Again started small, ate less sugar, less processed meals, added veggies and fruits to almost each meal. In about 30 days from changing my diet, it felt as tho I could think clearly. A "fogginess" was gone from my brain kinda feeling. I just felt better. When exercise became a regular part of my life, wow, I was not only back to being a person again but felt like I could take on the world.

Can't stress enough how much I've changed since I've made changes to live a life style humans were meant to live. From diet to exercise, we didn't evolve sitting on the couch watching TV and eating processed, deep fried meals.

I might be writing too much. It's because I remember where I was in my dark days. Anything I can do to help people avoid being in my shoes, I'll gladly do.

Hope this message finds you well. Again, good luck bud!

sanook
06-01-2016, 10:50 AM
I know this sounds simple, but it dramatically changes things for me (and so many others):


http://cancancleanse.com/cleanse2/files/6913/6552/9296/copodeagua.jpg

http://www.boldproof.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/fruits-and-vegetables.png

http://66.media.tumblr.com/7ff9c1c990761121cf57d460582f1a43/tumblr_nfm5m658151rk0k2jo1_500.gif

Good luck and take care.

JohnMPB
06-01-2016, 05:14 PM
Some stuff you might want to read.

http://www.m.webmd.com/depression/guide/exercise-depression

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-athletes-way/201310/25-studies-confirm-exercise-prevents-depression

http://www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/exercise-and-depression-report-excerpt

Something to keep in mind, your doctor gets paid to prescribe you drugs. Big Pharma pays them to tell you that their pill can help you. From my own personal experience with both pills and living a healthy life style, avoid those pills at all costs!! It took me a year to recover from pills. Once you stop taking them, you are even worse then you were before! Your brain just doesn't function right. I started small, going on walks with my dog 1st thing in the mornings. Now I run between 1-2 miles a day and do high interval training 4 days a week for about 45 each time. Never felt better in my life. I've had anxiety my entire life, it's gone. I'm in total control now. I was the worst kinda depressed you can imagine. Now, I'm a person again.

Changing my diet was a great experience for me. Again started small, ate less sugar, less processed meals, added veggies and fruits to almost each meal. In about 30 days from changing my diet, it felt as tho I could think clearly. A "fogginess" was gone from my brain kinda feeling. I just felt better. When exercise became a regular part of my life, wow, I was not only back to being a person again but felt like I could take on the world.

Can't stress enough how much I've changed since I've made changes to live a life style humans were meant to live. From diet to exercise, we didn't evolve sitting on the couch watching TV and eating processed, deep fried meals.

I might be writing too much. It's because I remember where I was in my dark days. Anything I can do to help people avoid being in my shoes, I'll gladly do.

Hope this message finds you well. Again, good luck bud!

Great writeup. Thank you for the advice

JohnMPB
06-01-2016, 05:15 PM
I know this sounds simple, but it dramatically changes things for me (and so many others):


http://cancancleanse.com/cleanse2/files/6913/6552/9296/copodeagua.jpg

http://www.boldproof.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/fruits-and-vegetables.png

http://66.media.tumblr.com/7ff9c1c990761121cf57d460582f1a43/tumblr_nfm5m658151rk0k2jo1_500.gif

Good luck and take care.

Thanks. Do you get the typical 8 glasses a day or more?

Matt8998
06-01-2016, 06:55 PM
When I saw your thread I just had to reply. It's interesting because like you, I've deal with anxiety throughout a portion of my life. I'm only 18 so take whatever I say with a grain of salt. I am actually just coming off Zoloft (antidepressant) because I noticed my hair was thinning out and I had a bunch of other side effects. What I've realized is the meds only gave me negative side effects and had little to no positive impacts, and that may not be the case for you, but I definitely now that, just as other have said, eating healthy and exercising really do make a difference, and people say it also helps with hair loss.

sanook
06-02-2016, 04:18 AM
Thanks. Do you get the typical 8 glasses a day or more?

I aim for about 6 pints a day, so I guess it's about 3-4 Litres.

I'm just about to purchase a juicer too, which I'm quite excited about! I decided I would give this a try for the next year to see if my body absorbs the micronutrients a lot more effectively. I hope this will boost my energy levels even further. I often find I get depressed when I have no energy - I feel hopeless and demotivated, which is why I think a healthy diet is so important.

pkipling
06-08-2016, 01:50 AM
JohnMPB - I'm extremely impressed with all the sound advice you've received here. Good on you for taking it all to heart, weighing the different options, and ultimately finding out what works best for you. You seem to have a really good head on your shoulders, and I'm certain that you're gonna be more than fine in the long run. Find what works for you and start enjoying the heck out of life. :))))

I am a patient advocate for Dr. Parsa Mohebi in Los Angeles, CA. My views/opinions are my own and don't necessarily reflect the opinions of Dr. Mohebi and his staff.

JohnMPB
06-12-2016, 07:53 PM
JohnMPB - I'm extremely impressed with all the sound advice you've received here. Good on you for taking it all to heart, weighing the different options, and ultimately finding out what works best for you. You seem to have a really good head on your shoulders, and I'm certain that you're gonna be more than fine in the long run. Find what works for you and start enjoying the heck out of life. :))))

I am a patient advocate for Dr. Parsa Mohebi in Los Angeles, CA. My views/opinions are my own and don't necessarily reflect the opinions of Dr. Mohebi and his staff.


Thanks bud. I really appreciate your advice as well as everyone else in here. Really means a lot.

Everyone on this forum is so much more mature than other forums. I wish you all the best

dm90
07-13-2016, 03:48 AM
You realize that getting handouts/kickbacks from pharmaceutical companies is illegal right? Most of these articles written about "doctors getting paid by big pharma" are nonsense written by "journalists" who don't understand that the money provided is used for research. The few cases of doctors directly being compensated to promote their drugs were met with lawsuits. Also sertraline, Zoloft, has been generic for a long time, no ones making money of that anymore.

There's a difference between clinical depression and having a poor lifestyle. You should take steps to follow the advice given here such as improving your diet and sleep schedule. If none of this works a psychiatrist is an option.