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doke
04-07-2016, 09:11 AM
Hi guys I have a chance to buy n2c crčme for male and female hair regrowth but wonder if im just wasting my money its based on improving collagen and say after a week you will see some improvement and the 100ml bottle should last up to 90 days depending how much you need to use.
You apply once a day at night and need to use a mild soap shampoo but I would use a sulphate free if I was to try it.
Its priced at 75 eus including post to uk the link is here www.n2c.world/international I have been sent a brochure and the hair regrowth looks good.

Seuxin
04-07-2016, 10:38 AM
Hello,

I'm actually testing this cream. I begun, march, 29 !
Will provide news...If any ! ;)

johnnyboots
04-07-2016, 05:20 PM
Hello,

I'm actually testing this cream. I begun, march, 29 !
Will provide news...If any ! ;)

Can we get it shipped to USA?

champpy
04-08-2016, 01:57 AM
I dont think this was translated, but it sure does read bad

"If the person with a balding head is not too old, his/her hair roots are in place and the hair skin can only support the hair to a fluffy size"

I dont know how much faith id put in a product that uses this sentence in their advertising :p

cardib
04-08-2016, 12:21 PM
immmm., i dont see how improved collagen leads to growth of hair. and plant extracts....come the fuk on, what does that even mean? sounds like snake oil

NeedHairASAP
04-08-2016, 12:47 PM
immmm., i dont see how improved collagen leads to growth of hair. and plant extracts....come the fuk on, what does that even mean? sounds like snake oil

Actually there is a lot of recent research that says collagen plays a roll.

The question is (1) does this actually help with collagen and (2) is a "better" collagen situation for your scalp enough to outweigh the other factors trying to destroy your hair.

You need both 1 and 2 to be true for this to work...



Science. 2016 Feb 5;351(6273):aad4395. doi: 10.1126/science.aad4395. Epub 2016 Feb 4.
Hair follicle aging is driven by transepidermal elimination of stem cells via COL17A1 proteolysis.
Matsumura H1, Mohri Y1, Binh NT2, Morinaga H1, Fukuda M1, Ito M3, Kurata S4, Hoeijmakers J5, Nishimura EK6.
Author information

Abstract
Hair thinning and loss are prominent aging phenotypes but have an unknown mechanism. We show that hair follicle stem cell (HFSC) aging causes the stepwise miniaturization of hair follicles and eventual hair loss in wild-type mice and in humans. In vivo fate analysis of HFSCs revealed that the DNA damage response in HFSCs causes proteolysis of type XVII collagen (COL17A1/BP180), a critical molecule for HFSC maintenance, to trigger HFSC aging, characterized by the loss of stemness signatures and by epidermal commitment. Aged HFSCs are cyclically eliminated from the skin through terminal epidermal differentiation, thereby causing hair follicle miniaturization. The aging process can be recapitulated by Col17a1 deficiency and prevented by the forced maintenance of COL17A1 in HFSCs, demonstrating that COL17A1 in HFSCs orchestrates the stem cell-centric aging program of the epithelial mini-organ.
Copyright © 2016, American Association for the Advancement of Science.







J Invest Dermatol. 2015 Oct;135(10):2358-67. doi: 10.1038/jid.2015.187. Epub 2015 May 19.
Lack of Collagen VI Promotes Wound-Induced Hair Growth.
Chen P1, Cescon M1, Bonaldo P1.
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Abstract
Collagen VI is an extracellular matrix molecule that is abundantly expressed in the skin. However, the role of collagen VI in hair follicle growth is unknown. Here, we show that collagen VI is strongly deposited in hair follicles, and is markedly upregulated by skin wounding. Lack of collagen VI in Col6a1(-/-) mice delays hair cycling and growth under physiological conditions, but promotes wound-induced hair regrowth without affecting skin regeneration. Conversely, addition of purified collagen VI rescues the abnormal wound-induced hair regrowth in Col6a1(-/-) mice. Mechanistic studies revealed that the increased wound-induced hair regrowth of Col6a1(-/-) mice is triggered by activation of the Wnt/β-catenin signaling pathway, and is abolished by inhibition of this pathway. These findings highlight the essential relationships between extracellular matrix (ECM) and hair follicleregeneration, and suggest that collagen VI could be a potential therapeutic target for hair loss and other skin-related diseases.

rbrown
04-08-2016, 01:30 PM
I have read in this forum that every single hair (follicle included) should be considered as a single human organ. Maybe there is a cream out there that can grow human organs but i haven't heard of it. So my hopes are on stem cells or 3D printings. Creams and shampoos might help with the blood circulation on your skull but so far they have failed to treat hair loss.

nobs
04-08-2016, 03:03 PM
My experience has been that anything "natural" marketed towards hairloss is usually a scam or will do almost nothing to improve your hairloss situation. I've tried pretty much the whole kitchen sink in regards to hairloss including saw palmetto, topical saw palmetto, green tea, topical green tea extract, beta sitosterol, curcumin, biotin, carnitine, you name it. Also, anything with one study that was performed in India under lousy controls posted on pubmed is not enough proof that something works.

doke
04-11-2016, 05:39 AM
Hello,

I'm actually testing this cream. I begun, march, 29 !
Will provide news...If any ! ;)
Hi Seuxin is the cream greasy? and how are you using it as I wonder if you use with oral finasteride you may get increased results.

doke
04-11-2016, 05:41 AM
Actually there is a lot of recent research that says collagen plays a roll.

The question is (1) does this actually help with collagen and (2) is a "better" collagen situation for your scalp enough to outweigh the other factors trying to destroy your hair.

You need both 1 and 2 to be true for this to work...

Many thanks for your info on collagen I think L Oreal did some work on this.

doke
04-11-2016, 05:50 AM
Can we get it shipped to USA?

Hi Johnny you should go to n2c web site and phone one of the numbers I in uk contacted the Netherlands number and ordered through paypal.

doke
04-11-2016, 10:34 AM
Just a note why not wait before buying the cream to see how we get on with it unless you really do not mind a gamble which over the years we all have been sucked into stuff that does not do a lot.
As I have ordered mine I am still sceptical it will work but never say never as only trying it will convince me and if I do get some results you can trust I will tell you straight away.
In the brochure it says you should see something in just a week of using as I have been slowly been receading over many years and maybe in the advanced stage of mpb then if I see anything it would be a miracle haha but as said you never know.

Seuxin
04-11-2016, 10:59 AM
Hello guys,

The cream is not greasy and nice to apply. Btw, i apply just on my bald temples.
No, i don't use topical finasteride, i use oral finasterid.
I'm day 14, will do pictures soon and compare with zoom...

Futurocabeludo
04-11-2016, 11:27 AM
I've ordered mine.

allTheGoodNamesAreTaken
04-11-2016, 03:49 PM
I've ordered mine.

I thought you were pushing a product you were adamant was working a few months or a year ago...

Seuxin
04-13-2016, 01:05 AM
Hello guys,

I do yesterday some new pics of my temples, with high res and zoom, no changes for the moment ( 15 days).

cardib
04-13-2016, 01:40 PM
I'm just surprised you guys think this creme no one has ever heard of is gonna work. nothing is going to give you results in as little as 15 days.

UK_
04-13-2016, 02:55 PM
Omfgggggg its the cure!!!! Im buying 5000000 bottles!!!!

Seuxin
04-14-2016, 01:04 AM
I'm just surprised you guys think this creme no one has ever heard of is gonna work. nothing is going to give you results in as little as 15 days.

Yeah, i was too surprised, but some people claimed see changes in 9 days...

LongWayHome
04-14-2016, 07:33 AM
Omfgggggg its the cure!!!! Im buying 5000000 bottles!!!!

Omg I actually laughed. Priceless comment.
Sadly I'm too tired of these products that come and go every fu***** week.
But at least there are always those people who try it, so if something, somehow, someday actually works,
we would know I guess.

JohnMPB
04-16-2016, 09:41 AM
Omg I actually laughed. Priceless comment.
Sadly I'm too tired of these products that come and go every fu***** week.
But at least there are always those people who try it, so if something, somehow, someday actually works,
we would know I guess.

I've been on hair loss forums since 2005. These kinds of snake oil treatments come and go all the damn time. I can't even count the number of times I've seen something like this where everyone was excited then 6 months later it's a dud. Stick to what's proven (big 3) add whatever else you like on top of it if you are financially comfortable. That's just my advice though

NeedHairASAP
04-16-2016, 10:45 AM
the pictures on facebook look like toppik

karxxx
04-16-2016, 01:27 PM
N2C owner is the owner of a patented nano-machines that work better Nanao particle will see the end

Seuxin
04-26-2016, 12:35 PM
Hello,

I use N2C cream since one month today, i do high res pictures in order to compare my temple with baselines pics, absolutely no changes at all :-(

rdawg
04-26-2016, 02:47 PM
Damn this forum has been slow for a couple months, hope there is some actual news coming soon about real projects not stuff like this.

Hicks
04-26-2016, 06:20 PM
Most went to other forums.
I'm surprised this article hasn't gotten much attention. Maybe I'm off. Idk

http://dermatologytimes.modernmedicine.com/dermatology-times/news/new-cosmeceutical-contains-multi-potent-growth-factor
“Growth factors are important in reversing both the intrinsic and extrinsic signs of aging. … through the course of aging, even starting in our 30s, our skin cells start making less growth factors; they start making less collagen, less elastin. The skin thins out; the dermis decreases,” Dr. Naughton says. “What we really want to do is help reverse it, by being able to provide a growth factor that’s a type of replacement therapy. We need to go and replace the growth factor composition and quantity that you had when your skin was young….”

rdawg
04-26-2016, 07:59 PM
Most went to other forums.
I'm surprised this article hasn't gotten much attention. Maybe I'm off. Idk

http://dermatologytimes.modernmedicine.com/dermatology-times/news/new-cosmeceutical-contains-multi-potent-growth-factor
“Growth factors are important in reversing both the intrinsic and extrinsic signs of aging. … through the course of aging, even starting in our 30s, our skin cells start making less growth factors; they start making less collagen, less elastin. The skin thins out; the dermis decreases,” Dr. Naughton says. “What we really want to do is help reverse it, by being able to provide a growth factor that’s a type of replacement therapy. We need to go and replace the growth factor composition and quantity that you had when your skin was young….”

That is a skin aging treatment, not a hair treatment, although interesting to note that is the same doctor from the Histogen trials!

Futurocabeludo
04-27-2016, 04:21 AM
I still use a very short time
However, I start thinking that I will have interesting results
At the end of 30 days I will try to put the pictures

Hicks
04-27-2016, 04:59 PM
Yes. Hair is also on the skin. ;)

Seuxin
04-28-2016, 12:23 AM
I still use a very short time
However, I start thinking that I will have interesting results
At the end of 30 days I will try to put the pictures

You told the same with Chlorine dioxyde from Dr' Liu's...

doke
04-28-2016, 01:22 AM
Re n2c cream not been using long but I think it would be a good scalp cream for dry scalp as in using some topicals like minoxidil but I think it will not grow much hair I was getting better results from redensyl from anagen.
I have heard of a Swedish redensyl that has capixyl in it and they also supply a dermaroller to use with it if you want.
I wish I had got that now instead of n2c the product is called no.1 hairgainer and comes in 100ml bottles that you spray on.

doke
04-28-2016, 01:45 AM
Note I see that kevis company is selling a redensyl product that contains anagain,capixyl,baicapil, and loads of other ingredience but that's a bit pricey I think its called no.9 its on amazon us and there is a web site as well.
Just edited this as the name of the product is More Hair Naturally 9 another one I found is hair 4 u serum cpx that has anagain and capixyl in.
As im not a fan of minoxidil which I did use for many yrs I do like a side effect free product if they at least help also remember that we have all been duped over the yrs with snake oils some even the drugs do nothing for some of us though!

doke
04-28-2016, 02:06 AM
Intrestingly I have found out that glenmark hair 4 u lotion does not contain redensyl but contains anagain with hexaplant richter in it which I searched is an anti-inflammatory for hairloss I wonder if this product may calm down my scalp problems.
I have also found out glenmark make hair 4 u minoxidil solutions as well so not to confuse the serum I have stated is hair 4 u cpx serum with anagain I have tried to find some user reviews about these products but like most things are not many.

Futurocabeludo
05-05-2016, 10:58 AM
I made these pictures with 12 days of using this cream
When you complete 30 days will make comparison.

12 days of use:
http://i.imgur.com/aYzn7RX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WK120WG.jpg

noisette
05-06-2016, 02:32 PM
I made these pictures with 12 days of using this cream
When you complete 30 days will make comparison.

12 days of use:
http://i.imgur.com/aYzn7RX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WK120WG.jpg

Wouaa, you have a full head of hair :p

PatientlyWaiting
05-06-2016, 03:54 PM
Lol...it's 2016 guys, sheesh, still getting hustled out here.

Seuxin
05-07-2016, 10:21 AM
I made these pictures with 12 days of using this cream
When you complete 30 days will make comparison.

12 days of use:
http://i.imgur.com/aYzn7RX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WK120WG.jpg

Dude...i really don't understand your attitude :(

You're a nice man, no problem with that....but....the last 2 years you tried severals products for hair...and you do always the same thing : You post verry crappy pictures ( with no light...), we can see little /fuzz hair....and it's always the same...no before picture...and you always claim the product you try is fantastic...you already told that with the chloryne dioxyde, then with the CD from Dr Liu's...you were claimed having solid regrowth from Dr Liu's then...now you are doing the same thing with N2C...claiming you have result in 12 days...WHY ??

NeedHairASAP
05-07-2016, 04:09 PM
Dude...i really don't understand your attitude :(

You're a nice man, no problem with that....but....the last 2 years you tried severals products for hair...and you do always the same thing : You post verry crappy pictures ( with no light...), we can see little /fuzz hair....and it's always the same...no before picture...and you always claim the product you try is fantastic...you already told that with the chloryne dioxyde, then with the CD from Dr Liu's...you were claimed having solid regrowth from Dr Liu's then...now you are doing the same thing with N2C...claiming you have result in 12 days...WHY ??

It's like he's a professional scam shiller. Like every company knows to call him when it comes time to launch their scam. I can never figure out what his deal is.

Seuxin
05-08-2016, 01:48 AM
I really don't think N2C is a scam but maybe too poor in ingredients for hair RE-growth since it's only play on Collagen. But not a scam.

Futurocabeludo
05-08-2016, 04:00 AM
Do not get angry !!
I said that in these first 12 days saw something that surprises me.
I promise that at the end of 30 days I do new images that can be compared with the latter

Futurocabeludo
05-10-2016, 12:50 PM
20 days
I see some progress

http://i.imgur.com/Jjwubeo.jpg

joachim
05-10-2016, 03:11 PM
this futurocabeludo aka habemus guy is one of the biggest phenomenons on this forum.
this old man is almost 60 if i recall correctly. his pictures are always the same. they tell absolutely nothing. no progress at all. the lighting and angle and blurring of the pics is so wrong it's not funny anymore.

and every two months or so he jumps to a new topical treatment.
whenever some magic cream or useless topical get's mentioned on this forum, he claims to try it out.

i really wonder what he gains from this. i often thought there must be some kind of promotion deal between him and the companies. probably he promises the companies to leave some positive reviews on the forums or so. maybe he receives 100 bucks or so each time he tests a new topical. (i actually think he doesn't buy and test it really. he just pretends using it).
and before the scam company which gave him the 100 bucks for promotion finds out that his appearance on this forums is more harming the company rather than pushing the product, it is to late. after that, he is free to jump to another topical.
i haven' figured it out completely, but i think it goes into that direction more or less.

and it's also funny how he never explains exactly what he is doing. also his posts and answers are always short without real information. he's definitely some kind of shill and scammer.

Trouse5858
05-10-2016, 08:23 PM
I don't know if he's a scammer but he's clearly out of his depth with English and not to be too hostile, he's bordering on braindead if he's a real guy using experimental topicals on his NW6 scalp.

Hey seńor futuro I'll help you out: save all the hours you waste taking these atrocious pictures and visiting this forum, put them into whatever job you have and go out and get an aggressive FUT transplant and some DUT. That's the only thing that's gunna reverse what looks like decades of MPB. Then come back with pics if you want, just not to the cutting edge section.

Futurocabeludo
05-11-2016, 12:12 PM
Joachim, your comment does not deserve response does not make sense
Age 66, for the record!

Trouse5858, thanks for the advice but I'm fine with my current hair:

http://i.imgur.com/3qQ85bj.jpg

Only the crown make application of topical lotions

N2C is to be a surprise for me and for many others who use

Seuxin
05-11-2016, 12:40 PM
this futurocabeludo aka habemus guy is one of the biggest phenomenons on this forum.
this old man is almost 60 if i recall correctly. his pictures are always the same. they tell absolutely nothing. no progress at all. the lighting and angle and blurring of the pics is so wrong it's not funny anymore.

and every two months or so he jumps to a new topical treatment.
whenever some magic cream or useless topical get's mentioned on this forum, he claims to try it out.

i really wonder what he gains from this. i often thought there must be some kind of promotion deal between him and the companies. probably he promises the companies to leave some positive reviews on the forums or so. maybe he receives 100 bucks or so each time he tests a new topical. (i actually think he doesn't buy and test it really. he just pretends using it).
and before the scam company which gave him the 100 bucks for promotion finds out that his appearance on this forums is more harming the company rather than pushing the product, it is to late. after that, he is free to jump to another topical.
i haven' figured it out completely, but i think it goes into that direction more or less.

and it's also funny how he never explains exactly what he is doing. also his posts and answers are always short without real information. he's definitely some kind of shill and scammer.


Totally true, i already told that....

Trouse5858
05-12-2016, 08:49 AM
Wow you must think people are pretty stupid to believe that those before and after pictures are of the same head. Or if they are, that the results are from N2c creme. Please take your utter bullsh*t somewhere else, thanks.

joachim
05-12-2016, 11:32 AM
yes, i was thinking the same when i saw that new picture. all of a sudden he has a full head of hair, only balding at the vertex. in most pictures we saw so far from this guy it appears he is NW6 at least.

but now it really makes sense why he always blurrs the rest of the pictures and just leaves the area untouched which he wants us to see. otherwise it would have gotten more obvious that he's cheating with the pics.

i also don't buy his claims that he is an old 66 year old man. he's probably somewhere between 20 to 40, probably with a full head of hair.

my new theory is, that he is a scammer with different identities on all the forums.
but he can't use always the same pictures of the man with grey hair, so i believe in other forums he promotes other topicals but with different pictures. maybe one time he uses pics of a 30year old man, the other time he uses the 60 year old and so on.

because let's face it: a today's 66 year old man who is clearly not born into the modern generation of internet, would such an old man spend months/years on hairloss forums and promote useless crap, when he has a good amount of hair anyway? i think most of today's men in that age don't care about the internet at all, let alone sitting on the pc and trying to restore hairloss with shady topicals.

i still don't know how he can make a living out of that. how much gets he paid for this stuff?

i even think, this scammer is not participating only on hairloss forums. i could imagine that he's doing similar shady things on other forums, like for acne or other skin problems, or maybe also promoting pills in bodybuilder forums and so on.
if he's doing that all day long, with dozens of identities, it could be that he receives enough money so that it's sufficient for a living after all.

however i think we all agree he's a scammer. we should report him and the admin should ban him and even trace his IP back to expose his identity (maybe compare it with his former username 'habemus'). i bet he's not clever enough to hide and change his IP properly.

Rich2
05-13-2016, 11:52 AM
Hey id like to try out this n2c product as well were can i purchase it or were did you get Purchase it from

Rich2
05-13-2016, 11:57 AM
Hi id like to try out this new product as well id like to know were i can purchase it

Seuxin
05-22-2016, 03:50 AM
Hello,

55 days on N2C, so, near 2 month and really and absolutely NO CHANGES ! Even not a little vellus.

habemus
06-19-2016, 01:43 PM
will show a picture of 54 days with N2C

you can see that velus are much larger and become real hair

http://i.imgur.com/aaPSQUY.jpg

joachim
06-20-2016, 02:38 PM
will show a picture of 54 days with N2C

you can see that velus are much larger and become real hair

http://i.imgur.com/aaPSQUY.jpg

don't believe this scammer. the guy uses habemus and futurocabeludo as user names to pull his scam. i think most of the regular users here noticed that anyway. hopefully the admin will ban this con artist.

he probably has other different user names and other before/after pics of different persons which he uses across this forum in different sections, and also on other forums.

Hairismylife
06-21-2016, 05:12 AM
Maybe someone considering to try will immediately abort the idea after seeing your post. I am one of them. Anyway admin please ban this scammer.

bluesuedeshoes
06-21-2016, 03:00 PM
Strange thing is that he was promoting the CDS solution before which anyone could get for cheap. (or was it the Liu stuff - can't remember).

Seuxin
08-27-2016, 10:33 AM
Hello,

What about N2C guys ? Tried and a good fail on me ;)
Seems to be another natural scam !

habemus
10-25-2016, 10:00 AM
I use the Turkish N2C cream.

This was my image to 175 days. http://i.imgur.com/zGeaBw0.jpg

I am currently with 185 days of use and I will continue a few more months to be able to improve the result that I consider good.

habemus
12-19-2016, 05:01 AM
Http://i.imgur.com/0Tw3B74.jpg

Hello, guys, my last image for this year 2016. I'm 240 days old with N2C.

I see an improvement. Some hairs grow a lot and some less. I'll go on, give it some more time.

Happy Holidays, Christmas

Seuxin
01-06-2017, 04:26 AM
Always the same crappy pictures....

This N2C is a scam.
A natural scam, as always.

DuaneJohnson
04-26-2017, 03:06 AM
Yes, Collagen plays important role in hair growth.

Seuxin
04-26-2017, 03:31 AM
Anyway, N2C play only on one type of collagen, and it's only NATURAL SHIT. Pure SCAM ! Trust me !

robodoc
04-29-2017, 08:59 PM
Increasing collagen is not necessarily a good thing....I would not use anything that increases collagen in that there is a relationship btw collagen and tumors/cancer. (see Ray Peat PhD)