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maxout777
02-22-2016, 09:41 AM
Hey guys, I'm in the fight with you on MPB, about to be 25 years old and would prefer to not be bald at 30. I didn't want to jump into Fin or Dut, after reading about side effects (which, I know, are rare, but I'm just being cautious before making the plunge), so I decided to give Saw Palmetto a try. Actually worked fantastic on my hair, never noticed anymore shedding and reduced my skin oil on my face to almost zero (and I'm an extremely oily person, my girlfriend complains about me turning our pillows yellow). However, after about a month and some change of using it, I developed side effects that are pretty much identical to fin sides, low libido, weak erections, brain fog, slightly blurred vision etc. I feel like these are getting better slowly (I've been cold turkey on SawP for 2 weeks now) and I hear it can take up to a month for 5AR to get back to normal so I am hoping these will go away.

Basically, is there any other alternative I can try? Given that Saw P did this to me (which I thought was absolutely unbelievable, but I can attest it does happen), I'm pretty much assuming that Fin/Dut are out of the question. Also, if anyone has any good word on how long to expect for some of these sides to go away, I'd appreciate that to. This isn't a post to scare people away from stuff by any means, just trying to get some help on a topic from people who are far more experienced on it than I am.

Thanks in advance for any help!

Sub8large
02-22-2016, 03:00 PM
do you want hair or not?

if you do then get on fin 1mg/day. end of discussion.

stop overdosing on things like saw palmetto and take something that will actually help you. yes you will get side effects, that's the ENTIRE POINT because it reduces your DHT.

maxout777
02-22-2016, 04:16 PM
do you want hair or not?

if you do then get on fin 1mg/day. end of discussion.

stop overdosing on things like saw palmetto and take something that will actually help you. yes you will get side effects, that's the ENTIRE POINT because it reduces your DHT.

I don't mind side effects as long as they are not persistent. Considering my Saw palmetto sides haven't even gone away after two weeks yet I'm very hesitant to try something stronger. Wasn't trying to hate on fin or go against it, sorry if I made you upset there.

burtandernie
02-22-2016, 04:30 PM
If you compare the two things it just makes a lot more sense to use fin instead. With fin you know it works vs guessing if saw palmetto is working. Does fin have sides? Yes because it actually works. If SP is working though its just your choice. Fin is probably a lot stronger, and of course then potentially more dangerous. Still pretty safe though

maxout777
02-22-2016, 04:36 PM
If you compare the two things it just makes a lot more sense to use fin instead. With fin you know it works vs guessing if saw palmetto is working. Does fin have sides? Yes because it actually works. If SP is working though its just your choice. Fin is probably a lot stronger, and of course then potentially more dangerous. Still pretty safe though

Hey thanks for replying! Sorry I may have hijacked that other thread asking you to reply before you did.....when you had SP sides were they pretty bad? I'm done with SP just hoping to get back to normal soon to decide my next step on treating this pain in my rear end.

potato1987
02-23-2016, 12:34 AM
Saw P did the same to me, I didn't know the side effects were possible until...ahem!...don't worry bud! exercise and eat right and your body will sort itself.

maxout777
02-23-2016, 11:38 AM
Saw P did the same to me, I didn't know the side effects were possible until...ahem!...don't worry bud! exercise and eat right and your body will sort itself.

Yeah man - it was crazy. Feel like a totally different person. Thanks for the response by the way, it's nice to know I'm not crazy. How long did you take to right the ship?

potato1987
02-23-2016, 01:33 PM
perhaps 5-6 weeks! more than welcome, natural doesn't mean harmless always, look at St Johns wart and sun for instance!

maxout777
02-24-2016, 07:13 AM
perhaps 5-6 weeks! more than welcome, natural doesn't mean harmless always, look at St Johns wart and sun for instance!

You're not kidding - this is the worst experience I've had with side effects from any drug or supplement. I'm still looking for something to help with MPB if I can, but I definitely will not be using anything related to this or fin/dut ever again. I'm glad you said 5-6 weeks because I was beginning to think since it's been two that I might be in trouble.....seems like some of the side effects are slowly waning but not sure if for certain. The blurry vision and brain fog may be the worst part of all of it.

maxout777
02-25-2016, 12:06 PM
Just a quick update: Oily skin is starting to return, blurry vision appears to be doing better, and of course, I'm starting to lose hairs in the shower again......so that's definitely a sign it was doing something for me. Does anyone have any topical suggestions to keep myself from losing all my hair while I'm letting my system get back to normal? Or would all cause or effect the sides?

burtandernie
02-25-2016, 05:21 PM
I had oily skin, my head stopped itching, and I had sexual sides. All very similar to what you hear about finasteride. It definately did something for me, but I decided id rather try fin then always wonder if saw palmetto was really helping my hair or just giving me sides. Also over time the strength of saw palmetto seemed to gradually get worse. After I stopped it took while like many months to get back to normal. Everyone is going to be different though.
I will say I took saw palmetto other times like those powder pills and those did nothing for me the different brands I used. The only SP that did anything for me was GNC liquid gel caps. I think the liquid/potency/purity all matter for how its aborbed and used. The powder never worked so IMO the liquid works much better and I took 320mg the 2 caps a day.
I also think its weaker than fin because taking 2 I could notice it wearing off before the next dose. I think fin is just overall stronger which is a bit scary, but you know its helping your hair verses guessing. Im not on anything now just lipogaine but if I start an AA it would be trying fin like .25mg a day for cost/safety reasons instead of using SP again

maxout777
02-25-2016, 05:59 PM
I had oily skin, my head stopped itching, and I had sexual sides. All very similar to what you hear about finasteride. It definately did something for me, but I decided id rather try fin then always wonder if saw palmetto was really helping my hair or just giving me sides. Also over time the strength of saw palmetto seemed to gradually get worse. After I stopped it took while like many months to get back to normal. Everyone is going to be different though.
I will say I took saw palmetto other times like those powder pills and those did nothing for me the different brands I used. The only SP that did anything for me was GNC liquid gel caps. I think the liquid/potency/purity all matter for how its aborbed and used. The powder never worked so IMO the liquid works much better and I took 320mg the 2 caps a day.
I also think its weaker than fin because taking 2 I could notice it wearing off before the next dose. I think fin is just overall stronger which is a bit scary, but you know its helping your hair verses guessing. Im not on anything now just lipogaine but if I start an AA it would be trying fin like .25mg a day for cost/safety reasons instead of using SP again

Thanks for the response, and the detailed write up, looks like I may have some months of fun ahead of me, but as long as I recover I'll take it. You're a braver man than me to try fin after having problems on SP....this has me on the edge. Like you, I too took the liquid soft gels. Almost wish I would've gotten the powder in hindsight, ha.

maxout777
03-11-2016, 12:18 PM
A month off now and starting to feel better each day, slowly. Sweat, skin oil, eyes are less dry....brain fog isn't as steady. Gonna keep updating this as I go just so folks can find some relief if they are ever in my situation and scared. I'm thinking about trying Minox, anyone had real success with that? Would like to find a natural dht blocker that works without screwing me up.

koko207
06-14-2016, 01:27 PM
Hey Max,

Can you give us an update on how you are feeling nowadays?

Thanks man

maxout777
06-14-2016, 07:21 PM
Hey Max,

Can you give us an update on how you are feeling nowadays?

Thanks man

Hey man,

First off, I was there once and I know how anxious and terrible life seems right now. You've got to RELAX, it's hard to do. But you've got to do it. You have every chance of returning to normal.

Personally, unfortunately I'm still dealing with sexual side effects from Saw Palmetto usage. I am MUCH better than I was when I started this thread, and I feel I will return to normal. My recovery has come in waves, as in I'll feel good for a week or so, then I'm back down, but not as low as before, and each time I go back up, I'm better than before. As if my body is finding its equilibrium.

Exercise, eat a paleo style diet, and get plenty of sleep. Best advice I have for you. Give it three months before you take any action to correct it. Number one thing you need to do is quiet your mind. That screwed me more than anything I believe, constantly googling my symptoms and spot checking my erections by masturbating. Abstain from masturbation too, in my early days it only made it worse.

I'll report back when I have more news to share, best of luck my friend. I hope that you'll be just fine soon!

koko207
06-15-2016, 06:22 AM
Thank you man I really appreciate your response. Did you also have constipation problems?

maxout777
06-15-2016, 03:55 PM
Thank you man I really appreciate your response. Did you also have constipation problems?

Not a problem. I did have bad digestion problems, including constipation. Went away. I can't say for sure of course but I attribute the paleo diet and probiotic use to that.

Also, do yourself a favor and start taking a different testosterone boosting herb everyday. Examples include: Tongkat Ali, Tribulus, Mucuna, Pine Pollen, etc. You can find a whole list and the cycling method through a quick Google search. This has definitely attributed to my recovery. Time is of course the best healer of all wounds, so relax and be patient. Best of luck.

I'd say I'm close to 60-70%, prob closer to 70% back to normal, so don't fret. It'll come.

koko207
06-16-2016, 06:36 AM
Not a problem. I did have bad digestion problems, including constipation. Went away. I can't say for sure of course but I attribute the paleo diet and probiotic use to that.

Also, do yourself a favor and start taking a different testosterone boosting herb everyday. Examples include: Tongkat Ali, Tribulus, Mucuna, Pine Pollen, etc. You can find a whole list and the cycling method through a quick Google search. This has definitely attributed to my recovery. Time is of course the best healer of all wounds, so relax and be patient. Best of luck.

I'd say I'm close to 60-70%, prob closer to 70% back to normal, so don't fret. It'll come.

Thanks for the advise men, but in all honesty I want to give my body I little more time to heal and sort itself out alone. I feel I am getting close to normal little by little. After this experience I am very reluctant to take any kind of herbs anymore.

Are you still on the Paleo diet or it was a momentary thing?

I hope everything goes well for you and you get to 110%

maxout777
06-16-2016, 08:13 AM
Thanks for the advise men, but in all honesty I want to give my body I little more time to heal and sort itself out alone. I feel I am getting close to normal little by little. After this experience I am very reluctant to take any kind of herbs anymore.

Are you still on the Paleo diet or it was a momentary thing?

I hope everything goes well for you and you get to 110%

I'm still on the paleo diet with carb back loading (look it up if you're curious). It's honestly one of the best diets/methods for hormones.

In regards to those herbs, I waited about two months myself before I started doing them. I improved some prior to that, but once I started them things really accelerated and I wish I had started them earlier. Like you, I was hesitant to take anything else, but if you decide to go that path later, the ones I listed won't cause you any problems, they'll only help. Thanks for the kind words, I should be back to normal within a couple of months if my progress keeps up. Wish you all the best too.

sanook
06-28-2016, 10:11 AM
I've been using SP the last 2 months and over the last week or so i've been experiencing very similar side effects to finisteride (which I no longer take). I wasn't sure if it was the Rogaine/Regaine I had been using (started about the same time as the SP). I will stop SP and see how I go...

koko207
06-28-2016, 10:48 AM
I've been using SP the last 2 months and over the last week or so i've been experiencing very similar side effects to finisteride (which I no longer take). I wasn't sure if it was the Rogaine/Regaine I had been using (started about the same time as the SP). I will stop SP and see how I go...

Man I honestly recommend you to quit if it is giving you sides. I took it for 2 weeks and quit 5 weeks ago and I am still not back to normal

Zdude
07-07-2016, 10:42 PM
I honestly didn't expect SP to even have side effects. I have been taking it for five months (two 3.2g capsules per day), along with applying Min 5% twice a day, and my hair's improved a lot - but I always assumed it was the Min doing the bulk of the heavy lifting, assuming SP had very little to do with it. I also take Biotin 300mcg (once a day).

I have been pretty lucky; no side effects have reared their ugly head.

How much SP were you taking each day, out of curiosity?

koko207
07-11-2016, 01:07 PM
I was taking 1.6gr twice a day

pageidol
01-14-2017, 05:04 AM
Any updates here guys?