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jamesst11
01-25-2016, 10:51 AM
Hello everyone,
As some of you already know, I am one of those people that has horrible luck when it comes to hair loss. finasteride and 5% minoxidil simply does not work. I am becoming horribly diffused thin now at an unreasonable rate. I am throwing in the towel on these treatments and making one last stand against hair loss with the two most recognized and powerful treatments.

I will not start another thread, there is no reason - this is it. I have been on .5mg DUT for almost 3 weeks now and have ordered every item to start mixing my own weekly batches of RU58841. I will apply the RU every night after washing my hair. Additionally, in the morning I will continue to apply a 15% compounded minoxidil cream, which I have been for over a week now. Everything should be here by the end of this week.

I will start posting pictures on a bi-weekly to monthly basis, even if the results are poor. I know this regiment seems extreme, but there is nothing else I can do at this point. I have a good feeling I will not experience side effects. If I do experience a slow in shedding, perhaps it will be hard to determine if it is from the RU or the DUT, but at this point I can't give a sh*t. I will experience this upcoming summer as a semi-happy bald man, or as an extremely happy man who has retained what he has left. I will keep you updated. Wish me luck.

doinmyheadin
01-25-2016, 03:49 PM
Goodluck James, keep us updated.

mic28
01-25-2016, 06:35 PM
Hi James,

I am in exactly the same situation as yourself with the finasteride, diffuse thinning and balding crown. I too am losing a vast amount of hair on a daily basis.

I gave up finasteride and started RU. I noticed no itching on a couple of days, then stupidly decided to give finasteride a try recently and have seen more hair loss. Back off finasteride now so I'm hoping I will get this non itching back once it wears off. I am very interested to see how DUT works for you James. I do honestly believe that good regrowth is possible for us but we just haven't found which drug suits us yet :)

jamesst11
01-25-2016, 07:43 PM
Hi James,

I am in exactly the same situation as yourself with the finasteride, diffuse thinning and balding crown. I too am losing a vast amount of hair on a daily basis.

I gave up finasteride and started RU. I noticed no itching on a couple of days, then stupidly decided to give finasteride a try recently and have seen more hair loss. Back off finasteride now so I'm hoping I will get this non itching back once it wears off. I am very interested to see how DUT works for you James. I do honestly believe that good regrowth is possible for us but we just haven't found which drug suits us yet :)

Doinmyheadin,
Thanks brother, I definitely will

Thanks mic,
That's a very encouraging statement. I don't know too much about your particular case, but 90% of my hair loss has occured in the last two years. After 31 years of relatively stable, super slow MPB, shit hit the fan REALLY quick. I am hoping that, because this is relatively recent, I will be able to bring at least some of it back. Once you start with experimentation and have poor results, it sure is difficult to continue and transition to something new. Your gut tells you that same thing will just happen again. I will post some pics of my current situation in the next week. Then every few weeks update them. I hope to God this sh*t works.

mic28
01-25-2016, 08:08 PM
Hi James, it is exactly 2 years since I noticed my hair loss and it has been quick loss ever since. Look forward to hearing about your results with DUT. Il let you know how I get on with RU again hopefully once this finasteride wears off

Ziggyz123
01-25-2016, 08:29 PM
James, you really need to try Setipiprant if you have itching and some oil issues. I'm on my second month and compared to what my scalp felt like, it's about 85% now. I'm seeing a derm tomorrow because I believe I actually have a fungal infection of some kind that isn't responding to medicated shampoos. If I started seti back when I first started this battle, think I'd be in a WAY better place mentally and aesthetically.

Good luck on Ru though. I've considered using it, but I have to get this build up off my scalp and out of my follicles first lol. And definitely keep us updated with the minox. Are you using belgravia minox or Murray Ace apothecary? Or some one else's?

jamesst11
01-25-2016, 09:06 PM
Hi James, it is exactly 2 years since I noticed my hair loss and it has been quick loss ever since. Look forward to hearing about your results with DUT. Il let you know how I get on with RU again hopefully once this finasteride wears off

Are you getting your RU from kane? What vehicle are you using? Are you mixing weekly batches? Has it significantly helped with the scalp sensations? I have been through this so many times that I am 100% that, at least in my body, the scalp sensations = hair loss. If I don't feel it for a while, I barely lose hair. When I feel it, I lose tons.

asianguy
01-25-2016, 10:20 PM
Good luck dude

Be careful with 15% minoxidil, I had heart palp side effects and the shed that came after withdrawal wasn't fun

mic28
01-25-2016, 10:45 PM
How do we go about getting setipeprant? I have this same build up as yourself Ziggy.

James I generally mix a batch every 4 days. 50mg per day with 50% alcohol 50% PG

jamesst11
01-26-2016, 09:57 AM
James, you really need to try Setipiprant if you have itching and some oil issues. I'm on my second month and compared to what my scalp felt like, it's about 85% now. I'm seeing a derm tomorrow because I believe I actually have a fungal infection of some kind that isn't responding to medicated shampoos. If I started seti back when I first started this battle, think I'd be in a WAY better place mentally and aesthetically.

Good luck on Ru though. I've considered using it, but I have to get this build up off my scalp and out of my follicles first lol. And definitely keep us updated with the minox. Are you using belgravia minox or Murray Ace apothecary? Or some one else's?

Ziggy,
What made you decide on seti? How do you know it is not the DUT that is relieving your scalp issues? I don't know about seti man. For how much it costs, there really is a lack of evidence that it works, especially for scalp inflammation. Perhaps I have not researched it enough. I will tell you one thing. I don't know if it's the DUT or the new compounded minox, but for the first time in 10 months, the scalp sensations are super minimal. I can actually sleep at night without the feeling of red ants crawling under my scalp tissue. I pray to GOD it is some miracle and these treatments are already reducing my inflammation. I would rather go completely bald tomorrow than ever feel that again. Also, after 10 months of 100-200 hairs lost a day, the last three days, I have lost like 30-40/ day (trust me, I am meticulous with my counting.) It seems unreasonable and in defiance of physiology that any treatment would work on reducing shedding within 3 weeks, so I can't conclude it is the treatments. Maybe the fin finally started to work after 10 months? I don't know. Either way, I feel o.k. for once and am sticking with what I am doing now - 15% compounded minox, 1mg fin eod and .5mg DUT daily. I use murray ave minox.

hairsugeon
01-26-2016, 10:20 AM
Where did you get seti from and how much you paid?

jamesst11
02-16-2016, 09:30 PM
will post some pics... lets hope RU and high concentration compounded minox saves me.

jamesst11
02-16-2016, 09:33 PM
well here is the "baseline"... yes this was a little thin before finasteride, but no, you could not see scalp..11 months and this happened. I will try to find a before pic.

HTsoon
02-17-2016, 07:16 AM
well here is the "baseline"... yes this was a little thin before finasteride, but no, you could not see scalp..11 months and this happened. I will try to find a before pic.

Your hair looks good man, this really shows how we all react differently to hair loss, your hair looks like mine after two transplants and im very happy. Either way I hope you find peace and happiness bro, if I were to the point of giving up I think I would just SMP my FUE scars and shave my head.

bmoreno515
02-17-2016, 04:05 PM
Dude James your hair is nice man, you should meet that girl that you posted about I have confidence that you'll be fine bro. If you feel like there's too much scalp then use a little bit of concealer though yoh don't need it it might boost your confidence but I think you should meet that girl and get back in the game!

jamesst11
02-17-2016, 06:19 PM
Dude James your hair is nice man, you should meet that girl that you posted about I have confidence that you'll be fine bro. If you feel like there's too much scalp then use a little bit of concealer though yoh don't need it it might boost your confidence but I think you should meet that girl and get back in the game!

hey man, that's really nice of you, thanks!! Yeah.. Its at its thickest here. When its wet its just hideous. I guess I'm just not used to all the scalp.

Dench57
02-18-2016, 08:16 AM
Hey James.

What are you using now? hows the inflammation? Did you drop Dut?

Your hair looks good btw i was expecting much worse lol

Alex23
05-25-2016, 05:30 AM
Hey James.

What are you using now? hows the inflammation? Did you drop Dut?

Your hair looks good btw i was expecting much worse lol

No it doesn't look good wtf is that shit. If my hair looked like that when dry I'd buy a hair system. Diffused scalp looks like a plague.

jamesst11
05-25-2016, 03:13 PM
No it doesn't look good wtf is that shit. If my hair looked like that when dry I'd buy a hair system. Diffused scalp looks like a plague.

finally, a man that speaks the TRUTH! THANK YOU. How does that look good? you can see through the entire thing.

Don't know what's up man. It seems RU is just speeding up my hair loss just like fin. I dropped DUT a while back. F*ck everything.

BBay
05-26-2016, 03:00 AM
interesting to see how it goes long term

BaldingHelpMe
05-27-2016, 04:37 AM
It seems RU is just speeding up my hair loss just like fin.

RU is still in experimental stage, so I wouldn't even touch that stuff. Try taking Dut 0.5mg daily; I've been taking Dut 0.5mg daily since Dec 2015, and I seem to notice improvement starting recently.

Also, I won't take both fin and dut at the same time, that's a mistake. Take only Dut.

BBay
05-27-2016, 04:11 PM
My doctor has two formulas one mixes a few things including topical application of dutasteride, minoxidil, both formulas applied with device help, have been running the trial for 2.5 years now I have more hair now than 5 years ago.

jamesst11
05-27-2016, 05:53 PM
My doctor has two formulas one mixes a few things including topical application of dutasteride, minoxidil, both formulas applied with device help, have been running the trial for 2.5 years now I have more hair now than 5 years ago.

can you expand on this? You're using topical dut? didn't realize it even existed? What do you mean by, "device help".. are you dermarolling with it?

BaldingEagle
05-27-2016, 08:02 PM
Dut and RU should work, only thing better is castration lol.

jamesst11
05-27-2016, 08:41 PM
Dut and RU should work, only thing better is castration lol.

only thing better is spiro, then castration, lol.. everything SHOULD work. It's just a very real reality, and unfortunately mine, that it simply does not. I am sticking to minox and dermarolling for now.

BBay
05-28-2016, 05:27 AM
The doc has them made to his specifications. Tried derma rolling for one month not only was it painful but more importantly failed to deliver the precision and consistency needed to break the dermis. Skin is the greatest barrier protection. All the docs patients use the micro pens with disposable needles to create the micro channels then apply his formulas and micro needle again to drive in formulas. The micro pen needles are not painful and the micro channels close up in 6-12 hours allowing the liquid formulas to penetrate to the follicle roots. Also the micro needles stimulate the circulation which brings nutrients and oxygen to the follicles, it like a super scalp massage.

jamesst11
05-28-2016, 02:11 PM
The doc has them made to his specifications. Tried derma rolling for one month not only was it painful but more importantly failed to deliver the precision and consistency needed to break the dermis. Skin is the greatest barrier protection. All the docs patients use the micro pens with disposable needles to create the micro channels then apply his formulas and micro needle again to drive in formulas. The micro pen needles are not painful and the micro channels close up in 6-12 hours allowing the liquid formulas to penetrate to the follicle roots. Also the micro needles stimulate the circulation which brings nutrients and oxygen to the follicles, it like a super scalp massage.

like an electronic derma pen?

dm90
05-29-2016, 01:33 AM
only thing better is spiro, then castration, lol.. everything SHOULD work. It's just a very real reality, and unfortunately mine, that it simply does not. I am sticking to minox and dermarolling for now.

Did you stop ru and DUT? If you are taking both and still losing hair you need to get your thyroid checked. Believe me if you are using those two compounds and losing hair it's not androgenic. Dut results in dht levels close to pre pubescent makes. Ru has a higher affinity for the AR than test so if your meds are legit and you are using them reliably you will not experience AGA.

Meridian1000
05-29-2016, 10:14 PM
Hey James, I feel like we've gone through very similar experiences, though my proscar hairline shed led me to the transplant route (with a very reputable doctor) with not great results. I notice when stopping proscar by temple points seem to at lest very superficially thicken up. Hard to assess elsewhere since the transplants obfuscate the hairline. I had a rough 2015 as I went through a nasty shed likely due to prednisone prescribed for my asthma, then hopped on propecia. Any and all diffuse loss I had is now gone, but it took less than a month for proepcia to start having a very noticeable shed on my hairline and this was not the good kind of shed that gave way to a a wonderful spring of new hairs. It was a mass genocide of my follicles. I whole heatedly agree with you that isn't for everyone. I had a fair bit of thickening using some of the immortal hair regimen, internal coconut and castor oil and minox alone without proscar for 2 months. All of the pictures I have after that is makes it hard to track progress because of transplant.

PinotQ
06-01-2016, 05:21 AM
finally, a man that speaks the TRUTH! THANK YOU. How does that look good? you can see through the entire thing.

Don't know what's up man. It seems RU is just speeding up my hair loss just like fin. I dropped DUT a while back. F*ck everything.

When you say that "It seems like RU is just speeding up my hair loss", was that after 4-5 months? It looks like you started RU in January. Thanks

Smallville
07-19-2016, 11:21 PM
finally, a man that speaks the TRUTH! THANK YOU. How does that look good? you can see through the entire thing.

Don't know what's up man. It seems RU is just speeding up my hair loss just like fin. I dropped DUT a while back. F*ck everything.

Hi James.

RU sped up my hair loss within 3 months I had to stop it.

Never tried fin or dut, but I imagine it may do the same?

Dut also sped up your loss????

Alex23
07-19-2016, 11:51 PM
Hi James.

RU sped up my hair loss within 3 months I had to stop it.

Never tried fin or dut, but I imagine it may do the same?

Dut also sped up your loss????

Lol neither dud nor ru can speed up loss. Dut may cause telogen efluvium but permanent hair loss no.

Anthony1987
07-20-2016, 12:31 AM
why did you choose the pre-made stuff? I'm looking into RU but from reading, seems people were unsure of the pre-made solutions since 1) No certainty of the amount of RU in the solution 2) The stability of RU in the mixture over time is questionable. It also seems fairly simple to mix, with the consensus being a mix of PG and alcohol.

Soonbald
07-20-2016, 12:34 AM
Hi I myself used RU at 300-400mg each day for 2.5-3 months. everytime I rubbed the RU in on the thinning areas it just got thinner and thinner by the month..and all the small hairs did not grow thicker or longer they stayed "dead" also I did NOT have a reduction in hair shedding whatsoever... I have lost all hope right now since minox didnt work at all for me, fin destroys my Eyes, and RU seemed to have made my hair worse.. im desperate again so im trying RU again and will give it many more months. it takes time to work I suppose.. also the thinning was maybe not because of the RU? maybe it was a coincidence?...you just never know...this is why I give it Another shot but will only use it every other day this time. RU also ruin my Eyes because its anti-androgenic just as fin. but im risking it again as im desperate. hairloss has totally ruined my Life im 28 male Virgin with high functional autism and no friends and all I Think about is how bald I will look in a few months or years if I would look normal "bald" I would shave it all off "I Think" but no I dont have the headshape for it or the size. so I will have to wear a system all my Life or a wig which totally utterly sux but Life is a "bi%tch" for some and you just have to accept your fate..

Smallville
07-20-2016, 11:03 AM
Lol neither dud nor ru can speed up loss. Dut may cause telogen efluvium but permanent hair loss no.

Lol excuse me Dr. Alex23, but I'm not the only case of this happening to, and there are also cases of even fin / dut causing increased and accelerated hair loss beyond the shedding phase. :)

Sanchez123
12-09-2016, 08:20 AM
How is your situation now??

Smallville
12-09-2016, 08:23 AM
How is your situation now??

Who?

Sanchez123
12-09-2016, 08:33 AM
Who?

OP, James!

Did you ever start fin or dut Smallville?

Smallville
12-09-2016, 10:02 AM
OP, James!

Did you ever start fin or dut Smallville?

never, u?

BBay
12-15-2016, 05:11 AM
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