View Full Version : Treatment without Propecia/Finasteride

10-09-2014, 06:56 AM
Hey guys whats up.
I am 17 and unfortunately I suffer from this disgraceful thing called MPB. I have noticed that my hairlines been receding and my hair is falling out a lot, thus, I went to a two docs and both of them told me I have Androgenic Alopecia[my dad is bald, hence its genetic - surprinsingly no one in my family(either from mom either from dads side) is bald]

Both of those docs did not hesitate to put me on propecia and simply said there are not side effects from them(way too much generalising right?).

I am DEFINITELY not going to take propecia/finasteride, even more(less ;P) considering that I am only 17. My beards still growing and my body is not fully developed yet.

Obviously Id like to keep my hair/avoid further loss, nevertheless, I am not willing to pay for it with my health.

To make a long story short.

Does anyone recommend a good/effective treatment without Propecia/Finasteride. A treatment that wont mess up with my hormones?

Thank you very much!

Bear in mind English is not my first language, so if I weren't clear about something just tell me.

10-09-2014, 07:44 AM
RU58841 doesn't mess with hormone profile. But your 17 so that is not a option. Way too young mate.

Besides those your options are limited and your only option in prevention somewhat is pumpkin seed oil. Read the study;


On the other hand that has probably influence on your hormonal profile too, albeit not as profound (5ar2).

Besides this you could look into minoxidil, and a shampoo with ketoconazole.

10-09-2014, 09:00 AM
If you weren't 17, I would say follow your doctors advice, but you are pretty young. Sorry to say, but if your hair loss is aggressive you might be out of luck. I would say at the very least get on Rogaine and see if you can slow it down until you can get on Finasteride. Some people will recommend RU, but I don't have any experience with that stuff so I cant recommend it.

In a year or two you will need to make the decision whether or not you want to take finasteride. I am sure your Dr. will still have the same opinion that you should start taking it if you want to keep your hair. If you still would rather take the word of random guys on the internet over educated medical professionals, then you really need to prepare yourself to live as a bald man. Not trying to be rude but that is just reality.

10-09-2014, 11:37 AM
Id recommend a laser comb as you just started to see your hair fall out. A laser comb should maintain what you have, and maybe get a little bit back. If i recall the average regrow after six months of use from a popular one on the market was a 50% increase, its not a huge difference but at your stage you shouldnt need anymore. Make sure you get one with laser diodes, NOT LEDS. Make sure the diodes are at least 5mW of power each. And you would want to use one that would have 9+. There are helmets and caps you could get, but dont think you need to go to that extent. Just buy a used comb online. Use it every second day for 10-15min and give it at least 6m to a year to notice an increase, but again if you dont want to lose anymore id go with that. If you wanted to increase the speed of results id use a topical solution, if your scared of side effects stay away from rogaine/monoxidil and go wt a natural one. Best ones are going have apple stem cells and stimucap in them. In the past ive worked for 6 differnt hair restoration clinics and was able to help tens of thousands of patients in my time. If you were able to post photos of your hairline/crown I might be able to give you more advice. Oh also if you use the laser try to use a sulphate and paraben free shampoo as well.

10-10-2014, 08:02 PM
Thanks, but i don't want to cause hormonal cahnges AT all :)


I am really not into taking finasteride, perhaps I will change my mind, but Im pretty sure that for the next 1~2years I wont.
Surprinsingly enough most of the people in this forum seem to know more than the doctors I have been to. Plus people here help us more.
Both doctors that I've been to said that Propecia/Finasteride has no side effects. Thats just ridiculous, it may not be as much as people say, but there are side effects.


Are laser combs really helpful? I thought they were fake.
By the way arent they REALLY expensive? Im only 17, unfortunately I cannot afford expensive stuff(althought I'd be pleased to be acknowleged about their existence ;p )
Does Minoxdll have sides? I mean, apart from a small irritation, it doesnt cause anything, does it? I mean, it doesnt change our hormones and stuff....

10-10-2014, 08:19 PM
By the way, here are the photos:

Tomorrow, I will take new ones.
These ones are from august last year: http://s1252.photobucket.com/user/jortixxlr89/library/Agosto?sort=3&page=1
These from 3 months ago: http://s1252.photobucket.com/user/jortixxlr89/library/Recente?sort=3&page=1

Do you think my MPB has progressed? A shit load of hair has been falling out from my head lately, and some people have started to make fun of my receding hairline(ohh its so sad :( )

10-11-2014, 03:18 AM
There are a few devices that are FDA approved for home use wt the laser and two that I know of that are in clinic FDA approved medical devices for laser hair restoration. The first medical device approved was the mep-90. Was for females only. Think they did it for marketing as females do get faster and better results then males....doesn't mean it dosent work for males. I've had males that as long as they have peach fuzz, get everything back. Looking at your photos this is the perfect time for laser therapy. Again buy a used laser comb off ebay or Amazon, or a site like that. Minoxidil was originally a blood pressure medication. So yes there could be some side effects, rare, but they are there. Oh and just cause you see hair falling out means nothing. Average person will lose a hundred a day. We care about what's being replaced. anyway long story short laser combs will at least keep your hair where it is which is what you need. clinical treatmentsare great for getting some back. but looking at the photos you don't need that.. Comb will be awesome for you sir.

10-11-2014, 11:18 AM
A ****load of hair falls from my head, its much more than 100 a day, thats what I am worried.

I dont think its being replaced because sometimes I pull hair from my head, apparently theres nothing, but when I look carefully I see very small/curly(my hair's straight) miniaturised hair :(

What laser combs do you recommend?

10-16-2014, 11:27 AM

10-19-2014, 07:56 AM

10-20-2014, 06:30 PM
agree with phoneix about the laser comb

10-22-2014, 06:12 AM
some people say saw palmetto proves good results without any side effects but I am not convinced about its effects.

10-25-2014, 10:08 AM
Isnt Saw Palmetto and anti-androgen just like Finasteride?

10-25-2014, 02:40 PM
I get that you don't want to get on finasteride because your still developping and because of potentional sides. But guess what: if you wait ~2 years and then get on fin, you are going to regret it that you didn't start earlier. So yeah, I'd hop on finasteride.

I recently turned 17 myself and started fin a week ago too. So far not so good (sides), but at least I'm giving it a go. Because like I said, waiting a few years and then hopping on fin is just going to make you regret that you didn't start earlier (granted that you won't get sides).

RU is an option, though it's a bit expensive and can be a bit difficult with storage, mixing it yourself and travelling. I guess you could try minox + ketoconazol but that's not going to do that much.

I guess that people like us are just outta luck...

10-26-2014, 02:32 PM
Extremely out of luck, I mean, couldnt this crap wait 5 more years to start....

I was thinking about it today, actually I think about it everyday(its dominating my mind) if the risk of Fin vs. having hair is worth it. But meh... Im not really willing to get it now.

10-26-2014, 02:53 PM
Dont listen to this nonsense about the laser comb and save your money! I have had reviews with 2 experienced hair surgeons in 2 different clinics and they both said that the comb was no good and they never would recommend it as part of their non surgical treatments. They said the FDA approval was for safe to use only and if does grow hair it is the vellus invisible hair. One of the surgeons also said minoxidil was a waste of money as topical treatment and shampoos also produce nothing more than 'peach fuzz' I used the laser comb for several years with absolutely no result after paying 325 for it. In my opinion it is a total scam as far as regrowing or thickening hair is concerned! You can buy mine if you want for less than 100 with still some years left on the 15 year warranty!

10-30-2014, 07:05 AM
Why did he say Minoxdll was a waste of money?
I don't get it...

10-30-2014, 07:19 AM
A ****load of hair falls from my head, its much more than 100 a day, thats what I am worried.

I dont think its being replaced because sometimes I pull hair from my head, apparently theres nothing, but when I look carefully I see very small/curly(my hair's straight) miniaturised hair :(

What laser combs do you recommend?
Phoenix is definitely misinformed, yes laser treatments are FDA cleared, but only for safety and not for effectiveness and efficacy. Like many others on this and other forums who have tried laser treatments will tell you, it's not worth it.

With regards to your hair, it looks fine, might have the slightest bit of recession, but no one would think you have hair loss. Unfortunately beggars can't be choosers, and if you do have hairloss the only treatments we have now are Finasteride and minoxidil, both of which must be used daily. Finasteride has been tested for over 20 years so in terms of long term effects, it has been proven to be pretty safe and most people don't get sides. Again it's your choice how much hair means to you.

10-30-2014, 07:23 AM
Why did he say Minoxdll was a waste of money?
I don't get it...
I think he meant that minoxidil isn't as effective as finasteride nor does it have a high success rate. If I were you, at this point I wouldn't worry about hairloss, because stress is definitely a factor and may well increase your hairloss further. You have a really good head of hair, enjoy it.

10-30-2014, 01:07 PM
Why did he say Minoxdll was a waste of money?
I don't get it...

He said that the hair/scalp cannot absorb topical treatments into the follicle as the skin barrier wont allow it...Like you I found this strange since the other surgeon prescribes it, yet it goes to show that not all experienced trained surgeons are in agreement as to what works best

11-02-2014, 05:42 PM
@haircure I wish most people agreed with you, but my friends are already starting to make fun of me :( thats tough....
I would say I am norwood 2 -3.
What norwood state am I at according to you guys?

That sucks doesnt it? :(

11-03-2014, 03:04 AM
From your photos you still have a great head of hair with not a hint of a bald patch on the crown or noticeable frontal recession. A very small dose of finastiride or propecia like 1.25mg per day is unlikely, in my humble opinion, to have any major impact on your libido/fertility in the long term....it may stop or greatly slow down further loss and thicken out hair that is starting to thin out, if you catch it early. I know fears over side effects [I am now on 5mgs per day, a fourfold increase over what I used to be on for past few weeks and no loss of libido]] but you have got to think of how you would feel about life in 10 years time or less if you had a big bald patch on your vertex and a middle aged man's fringe even though you would still be in your 20's!

11-04-2014, 05:06 AM
Got much information regarding hair loss treatment after reading the comments.

11-07-2014, 02:27 AM
I agree with Notcoolanymore. Think about using Rogaine until you are old enough to be prescribed finasteride. That's your best bet. And I know you don't want to take finasteride (you've clearly got time to think about it) but consider that pretty much everything has side effects, and finasteride has an excellent safety profile.