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JohnMPB
07-07-2016, 11:38 PM
Still holding my breath waiting for pics...

Jazz1
07-14-2016, 03:13 PM
Looking forward to the pics

What ever happened to mark? He used to sing praises for all kinds of treatments like ru and proxiphen then he just disappeared.


Hey sorry I been so busy extremely busy lately working, my cousin failed to provide me decent pictures. The sad part I have helped so many people and they fail to post pictures to help the community.

Jazz1
07-14-2016, 03:17 PM
Hi Jazz, I'm new to this site, but not hairloss forums in general. I noticed how you have experience with different types of Minox...What's your opinion on 'Polaris Labs'? I've heard great things about the brand. I just got my hands on NR10. I'd love to use it, but I don't want to waste my time with Snake Oil.
My 5% Rogaine Foam isn't working like it used to, when I first tried it back in 2011. I took a long break from it, & DHT absolutely killed my follicles.
Now I'm on DUT, FIN & Estradiol. Hopefully NR10 with 16% Minox can be the icing on the cake....Sorry to ramble lol

Wow you are on a strong regime, Unfortunatly minoxidol can only hold your hair so much! You need to determine if DUT is working first? Another stronger option is RU58841 or CB-03-01.

I tried the Polaris stuff I did not like their gritty mixture, I have heard mixed results so I guess you can try :).

Jazz1
07-25-2016, 03:08 AM
Still holding my breath waiting for pics...

Hey John I wish the people I have helped and used her lotions ould post their pictures. Shame as their are a few guys on this thread that don't wish to post!

Jazz1
07-25-2016, 03:11 AM
Guys I been doing something different, I been dermarolling once per day on 1mm needle. I did at first use those cheap eBay ones, they kept pulling my hair out. Now I'm using the Dr Derma roller at 1mm and this one slightly more expensive does not pull my hair one bit, I will post pictures later. I tested this on my forehead with Susan's mixture and now my forehead has become like a ware wolf! I been taking regular pictures I will update to show what I mean :).

Eire1980
07-29-2016, 02:53 AM
Hey John I wish the people I have helped and used her lotions ould post their pictures. Shame as their are a few guys on this thread that don't wish to post!

HI Jazz,

thanks for your continued activity on this thread and site in general.
I am using Susan's lotions but to be honest I see not improvement, actually more thinning of the crown and temples.

I just bought a dera roller yesterday and going to try that with minox.
good to hear you are having success.
any advice on this please?

Jazz1
07-29-2016, 03:51 PM
HI Jazz,

thanks for your continued activity on this thread and site in general.
I am using Susan's lotions but to be honest I see not improvement, actually more thinning of the crown and temples.

I just bought a dera roller yesterday and going to try that with minox.
good to hear you are having success.
any advice on this please?

Funny you replied I been derma rolling at 1mm needle with Dr Derma roller now but cheap one worked aswell, only difference the Dr derma roller does not pull my hair. My forehead has tons of hairs, I look like a wolf. I will post pictures tommorow, on the other hand have you halt your hairloss? Is finesteride working? Minoxidil can not work unless you have blocked the DHT. Unless you need a stronger regime like, DUT/RU58841/CB-03-01.

Jazz1
08-24-2016, 11:02 AM
Hey guys I been derma rolling 1mm needle every other day, plus wounding on 1.5mm needle, my forehead has a line of new hairs I look like a wolf :). I started my whole scalp now, the cheap needles work but for long scalp hair they pull, the Dr derma roller I bought doesnt seems to pull my hair, cost slightly more.

I have promised pictures please give me time as I'm tracking the progress and allowing my hair to grow, these are vellus hairs maybe few turned terminal around temples hairline region. I'm going to try Folligen route to see if the vellus ones turn terminal.

Jazz1
10-27-2016, 12:55 PM
Hey guys how is everyone? I was away on holiday just got back, i started to derma roll again as I saw some sweet results when I was derma rolling on the following method. I didn't use Susan's lotion after derma rolling in the morning as that gave me a bad headache, instead I do the 5% regaine after at night.

I bought the Dr Derma roller that seem to not pull my hair, the cheap ones on eBay work but they pulled my hair when long.

The method I'm doing is;

1mm every other day lightly for absorption, I tend to use this on the days I use hair oils.

1.5mm once a week, slight wounding to create stem cell reaction.

Also to add one of my work friends just had a transplant in India he payed 1500 for 8,000 plus grafts FUE 3 day procedure. I saw him the other day 8months post op and his results are Amazing considering what he payed! He was a NR7 and now looks NR1 scale whole scalp coverage.

k9gatton
10-27-2016, 05:52 PM
Just wanted to say I am currently taking thirty percent Minoxidil, mixed with topical Finasteride and Progesterone. Never tried Promax, but I might some day in the future.

Jazz1
11-01-2016, 03:33 PM
Just wanted to say I am currently taking thirty percent Minoxidil, mixed with topical Finasteride and Progesterone. Never tried Promax, but I might some day in the future.


Wow, how you finding it? What did you use prior to 30% as that's a big step. Any results or headache etc? Be carefull not to derma roll and apply that straight after!

k9gatton
11-05-2016, 07:31 AM
Wow, how you finding it? What did you use prior to 30% as that's a big step. Any results or headache etc? Be carefull not to derma roll and apply that straight after!


It's here: https://www.medicalwellnesscenter.com

The price is 49.99, for a six month prescription. For the thirty percent, it's 99.00 per month (60 ml tube). If they approve you, you are charged 49.99.

Susan Mernstein makes it. And she used to make medications for the late Dr. Klein. (The only place you can get it at is Murray Avenue Alcotherapy, located in Pittsburgh PA, US. She owns Murray Avenue Alcotherapy.

The Progesterone is doing the most work though. Highly recommend it. The thirty percent is growing my hair really fast, which is what I want at this point in my life. As for my own experience, that is when my hair started to grow back. And I'm not a young guy.

k9gatton
11-05-2016, 07:36 AM
Wow, how you finding it? What did you use prior to 30% as that's a big step. Any results or headache etc? Be carefull not to derma roll and apply that straight after!

The only side effect I got was swelling in my ankles. That was when I put too much on (more than prescribed amount). I put four times that amount on my hair. Wasn't a good choice on my part.

Jazz1
11-07-2016, 09:21 AM
It's here: https://www.medicalwellnesscenter.com

The price is 49.99, for a six month prescription. For the thirty percent, it's 99.00 per month (60 ml tube). If they approve you, you are charged 49.99.

Susan Mernstein makes it. And she used to make medications for the late Dr. Klein. (The only place you can get it at is Murray Avenue Alcotherapy, located in Pittsburgh PA, US. She owns Murray Avenue Alcotherapy.

The Progesterone is doing the most work though. Highly recommend it. The thirty percent is growing my hair really fast, which is what I want at this point in my life. As for my own experience, that is when my hair started to grow back. And I'm not a young guy.

Haha, that's why I created this thread, I found her when Dr Klein passed away. I was a EX Dr Klein patient until he passed away, than I switched to Susan's stuff ever since and does a fantastic job.

Jazz1
11-07-2016, 09:22 AM
The only side effect I got was swelling in my ankles. That was when I put too much on (more than prescribed amount). I put four times that amount on my hair. Wasn't a good choice on my part.


Any pictures, imagine derma rolling with 30% I reckon that would be awesome regrowth, although a bit risky in regards to side effects.

k9gatton
11-09-2016, 04:19 PM
Any pictures, imagine derma rolling with 30% I reckon that would be awesome regrowth, although a bit risky in regards to side effects.

That would be crazy, and in a bad way. Would never even think of dermarolling with a thirty percent.

So, what do you currently get from Susan's pharmacy? What percentage, and what mixture?

Jazz1
12-07-2016, 04:39 PM
That would be crazy, and in a bad way. Would never even think of dermarolling with a thirty percent.

So, what do you currently get from Susan's pharmacy? What percentage, and what mixture?

Hey I been using her;

15% minoxidil
0.1% finesteride
5% azelaic acid
0.025% tretinoin
0.25% progesteone

I use 1% Hydocortisone once week, most people also add 0.1% Hydocortisone.

Jazz1
12-13-2016, 02:26 PM
Hey guys how is everyone, I'm still about to help anyone needing my help. Also to add guys worth adding a derma roller in your regime as 1mm alongside 1.5mm needle works with wounding once a week and rolling every other day. I seen a huge improvement in the amount of hairs around my forehead and temples.

sleeme
12-29-2016, 09:37 PM
Hi Jazz1,
How long have you been using all these ingredients. I am 27 and just stopped propecia a month ago. I had good results but needed to stop for for blood work and now I don't really want to take it everyday for years and years. I hope you don't mind me asking but at what age did you notice hair loss? I am looking for a good topical but I am concerned that 15% minoxidil is too high of amount to start with. And my doctor said Progesterone will feminize me so now I am concerned about the progesterone. Did you notice that the topical stopped hair loss or do you use any oral medications for hair loss. I wonder if the Finesteride with low dose minoxidil would be good. OR low dose minoxidil with azelaic acid and tretinoin. If you can let me know your thoughts.
Thanks!

sleeme
12-29-2016, 09:41 PM
Hi Jazz1,
How long have you been using all these ingredients. I am 27 and just stopped propecia a month ago. I had good results but needed to stop for for blood work and now I don't really want to take it everyday for years and years. I hope you don't mind me asking but at what age did you notice hair loss? I am looking for a good topical but I am concerned that 15% minoxidil is too high of amount to start with. And my doctor said Progesterone will feminize me so now I am concerned about the progesterone. Did you notice that the topical stopped shedding or do you use any oral medications for hair loss. I wonder if topical Finesteride with low dose minoxidil would be good. OR low dose minoxidil with azelaic acid and Tretinoin. If you can, let me know your thoughts.
Thanks!

funkville
12-30-2016, 02:35 AM
Hi Jazz1,
How long have you been using all these ingredients. I am 27 and just stopped propecia a month ago. I had good results but needed to stop for for blood work and now I don't really want to take it everyday for years and years. I hope you don't mind me asking but at what age did you notice hair loss? I am looking for a good topical but I am concerned that 15% minoxidil is too high of amount to start with. And my doctor said Progesterone will feminize me so now I am concerned about the progesterone. Did you notice that the topical stopped shedding or do you use any oral medications for hair loss. I wonder if topical Finesteride with low dose minoxidil would be good. OR low dose minoxidil with azelaic acid and Tretinoin. If you can, let me know your thoughts.
Thanks!

Jazz will give u advise on this but I will give u my experience with progesterone. I have used progesterone from belvravia in 8% with caffeine and Susan's which is natural in different strengths minoxidil. I got no sidea which affect turned melts feminine. I still lean and very athletic. I don't have man boobs. The ingredient I got sides from was fin. I got depressed, Lost a lot of muscle and sexual sides.

Do your own research. You will find that synthetic and natural progesterone react differently to the body and that synthetic is what has been largely studied.

Start here:

http://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2006/4/report_progesterone/page-01

Oh I started progesterone at 28

Jazz1
12-30-2016, 06:28 PM
Hi Jazz1,
How long have you been using all these ingredients. I am 27 and just stopped propecia a month ago. I had good results but needed to stop for for blood work and now I don't really want to take it everyday for years and years. I hope you don't mind me asking but at what age did you notice hair loss? I am looking for a good topical but I am concerned that 15% minoxidil is too high of amount to start with. And my doctor said Progesterone will feminize me so now I am concerned about the progesterone. Did you notice that the topical stopped hair loss or do you use any oral medications for hair loss. I wonder if the Finesteride with low dose minoxidil would be good. OR low dose minoxidil with azelaic acid and tretinoin. If you can let me know your thoughts.
Thanks!

Hey firstly did your doctor recommend you stop finesteride? were you experiencing any side effects?, finesteride is way more strong than progesterone in regards to gyno/feminize effects. Long term use is fine, the guys who normally have an issue with side effects like me are the ones who need to build tolerance to the drug. Initially when i first took 1mg finesteride i had major libido loss for one month. a few tips via internet alongside less panic, i was able to restart me erectile issues. I had to use topical 0.025% every 3rd day, this worked a treat until my body built tolerance. Today i use 1mg totally fine without any issues, so my advice i would always recommend finesteride if you have no issues, as this is the current first protocol in regards to hairloss. Dr Klein always told me himself before he passed away that spiro/progesterone are very weak topically compared to finesteride. Obviously they are 2 different type of chemical structures, hence why the combination works a treat. One is a DHT inhibitor, whilst the others are ANTI-ANDROGEN/GROWTH/.

I would agree, starting with 5% is always the first protocol, as you want your body to build tolerance with minoxidil, 15% is way strong. Although i have known a lot of people who have used 15% without any issues, i initially had few sides when i went from 5% to 15%, nothing major few headaches etc.

bornthisway
01-01-2017, 04:38 AM
So if you add all additives to minoxidil how does the price change? Is there any reason the 30% minoxidil is actually being absorbed moreso than the 15%? I saw online testimonials claiming the 30% to be superior and thus faster acting with an improvement over 15%. My concern at 30% is what are the adverse effects such as on your heart? I personally recall old discussions claiming the difference ought to be negligible, I believe due to the assumption 30% wouldn't absorb sufficiently. I am thinking of placing an order but unsure as to the strength and which additives to add if not all. Progesterone from what I recall had a sweet spot close to 2%, too little or too much more being less effective.

bornthisway
01-01-2017, 05:01 AM
What about starting at 30% to jump start things and tapering down to 15% the following month and then soon after sticking at 5% for maintenance? Or would you reduce hair yield by reducing the dosage?

k9gatton
01-01-2017, 07:44 AM
So if you add all additives to minoxidil how does the price change? Is there any reason the 30% minoxidil is actually being absorbed moreso than the 15%? I saw online testimonials claiming the 30% to be superior and thus faster acting with an improvement over 15%. My concern at 30% is what are the adverse effects such as on your heart? I personally recall old discussions claiming the difference ought to be negligible, I believe due to the assumption 30% wouldn't absorb sufficiently. I am thinking of placing an order but unsure as to the strength and which additives to add if not all. Progesterone from what I recall had a sweet spot close to 2%, too little or too much more being less effective.


It does lower my blood pressure if I use more than the prescribed amount, which I do a lot. The prescribed amount is a gram, or pea sized amount over the bald area, once daily.


Sometimes I use it twice.


One time I used ten grams at once, and my ankle swelled up. The prescribed amount is one gram. It's a cream, you have to
eye ball it. But the script says "pea sized amount" which ~ one gram.


You will still have to supplement with regular, if you want the "temporary" effects of Minoxidil, which can last up to years.


Minoxidil has to hit the scalp for it to work. And it can't really be done with less volume.

bornthisway
01-01-2017, 08:20 AM
It does lower my blood pressure if I use more than the prescribed amount, which I do a lot. The prescribed amount is a gram, or pea sized amount over the bald area, once daily.


Sometimes I use it twice.


One time I used ten grams at once, and my ankle swelled up. The prescribed amount is one gram. It's a cream, you have to
eye ball it. But the script says "pea sized amount" which ~ one gram.


You will still have to supplement with regular, if you want the "temporary" effects of Minoxidil, which can last up to years.


Minoxidil has to hit the scalp for it to work. And it can't really be done with less volume.

Based on the prescription instructions I guess the pea sized amount is meant to be sufficient for the entire scalp? Have you tried using a pea sized amount and rubbing it in your crown area and spreading it out as much as you can and seeing if it was just as effective? What concentration are you using, if 30% do you notice a difference from where you used 15%? I remember old posts claiming liquid were superior to cream but I don't really remember and specifics or know how valid that is. I know for the liquid they wanted it touching all parts of the scalp ideally... That's not feasible with cream it seems given the small quantity you are allowed to use, but maybe you don't have to based on how well it's absorbed?

bornthisway
01-01-2017, 08:42 AM
I sort of get what you're saying.. the pea sized amount isn't enough to address all balding areas so you supplement with 5%. I guess you want the pea sized on the hardest hit area then.

funkville
01-01-2017, 08:51 AM
you have a choice of using liquid or cream. i know that from 5-15 percent you can choose liquid or cream. in liquid 6 pumps is 1ml.

k9gatton
01-01-2017, 12:41 PM
I sort of get what you're saying.. the pea sized amount isn't enough to address all balding areas so you supplement with 5%. I guess you want the pea sized on the hardest hit area then.



Exactly. You want it on the baldest areas.


The Finasteride didn't keep my hair in. The Progesterone does.


I've only used this single topical application for a year (with 30%).


It will be interesting to see how long the Minoxidil will keep
my hair in.

bornthisway
01-01-2017, 03:06 PM
Exactly. You want it on the baldest areas.


The Finasteride didn't keep my hair in. The Progesterone does.


I've only used this single topical application for a year (with 30%).


It will be interesting to see how long the Minoxidil will keep
my hair in.

How has your hair changed with the 30% pea sized? Do you all think the cream is just as effective carrier? I think creams are easier to apply generally and less messy (no run off). I have only used up to 5% before and my hair is thin. I'm wondering since I've lost a lot of ground if I really should start at 12.5% or 30%. With using a pea sized amount of cream are the sides still just as likely (I'd guess sides are dependent on how well it's absorbed)? What's the cost for 12 5%? Given every additive has a proven track record, it seems like a good idea to include each as you'd target hair loss from a lot of angles. I'd guess the ingredients are complimentary and synergistic since they can be combined.

funkville
01-01-2017, 03:32 PM
the lotion is not very runny it is like baby lotion in texture. when jazz first helped me i started with 7.5% and my hair grew like crazy. im ging back to 7.5% with progesterone and azelaic acid. fin gives me sides i dont need retin-a as i use it every evening. k9 and jazz have been using susan for a long time so they are best to advise.

She is ill at the moment and back on tuesday so give her a call and ask for her advise.

bornthisway
01-01-2017, 05:44 PM
the lotion is not very runny it is like baby lotion in texture. when jazz first helped me i started with 7.5% and my hair grew like crazy. im ging back to 7.5% with progesterone and azelaic acid. fin gives me sides i dont need retin-a as i use it every evening. k9 and jazz have been using susan for a long time so they are best to advise.

She is ill at the moment and back on tuesday so give her a call and ask for her advise.

I didn't really have a response to 5%. Was that your first time using minoxidil and you responded really well?

Jazz1
01-01-2017, 06:16 PM
Hey guys I will reply tommorow, as I work shifts.

sleeme
01-01-2017, 07:30 PM
Thanks for responding to my questions! I am having a hard time deciding what to use. I stopped Propecia because all my hormone levels are sky high out of range and my doctor told me to stop the medication to see if they return to normal. I am waiting now for the results and its been four weeks since i took the last Propecia 1mg. I have had NO side effects from the drug except for high Testosterone, estrogen, SHBG and for the last year, my doctor thought I had a benign condition of the liver but I recently tested my liver while off Propecia and the tests all came back normal. So now I am thinking Propecia has caused all this. Maybe this is how some people crash after taking the medication for years. They don't know unless they monitor their hormone levels and eventually it all comes crashing down. As of now I want to do something and wanted a topical so I thought maybe the 0.01% topical Finasteride would work. Or maybe mixing Retinoic Acid or Azelaic acid with minoxidil? I also didn't know if I should add progesterone in the topical? I was even thinking of possible micro dosing Propecia. I might respond to it since I think 1mg was a bit much. It just seems like I can't get any advice and don't know who to believe when it comes to hair loss issues. Is it too much to take on a daily basis? Is it dangerous to mix all of those things together? Won't the Retinoic acid eat up your skin and is topical Finasteride with an alcohol base safe and does it work? I read about Hussan and Wong, they are in Canada and they use a lipid base that is not legal in the US.... Thanks for any advice. I know its a lot to take and I have many questions, so I appreciate any information you can give!!

funkville
01-02-2017, 03:01 AM
I didn't really have a response to 5%. Was that your first time using minoxidil and you responded really well?

I started with 12.5% from belgravia in London uk. I respond to minoxidil very well. I do fell I should have started lower but I didn't know. The 7.5% respond well to me as I respond well to minoxidil. Maybe go higher.

The best think to do is call up on Tuesday and ask to speak To Susan. She is very knowledgable. On the other hand jazz or k9 can help. Jazz was the person to get her to make the dr klein formula so they have had a working relationship for some time now.

funkville
01-02-2017, 03:06 AM
Thanks for responding to my questions! I am having a hard time deciding what to use. I stopped Propecia because all my hormone levels are sky high out of range and my doctor told me to stop the medication to see if they return to normal. I am waiting now for the results and its been four weeks since i took the last Propecia 1mg. I have had NO side effects from the drug except for high Testosterone, estrogen, SHBG and for the last year, my doctor thought I had a benign condition of the liver but I recently tested my liver while off Propecia and the tests all came back normal. So now I am thinking Propecia has caused all this. Maybe this is how some people crash after taking the medication for years. They don't know unless they monitor their hormone levels and eventually it all comes crashing down. As of now I want to do something and wanted a topical so I thought maybe the 0.01% topical Finasteride would work. Or maybe mixing Retinoic Acid or Azelaic acid with minoxidil? I also didn't know if I should add progesterone in the topical? I was even thinking of possible micro dosing Propecia. I might respond to it since I think 1mg was a bit much. It just seems like I can't get any advice and don't know who to believe when it comes to hair loss issues. Is it too much to take on a daily basis? Is it dangerous to mix all of those things together? Won't the Retinoic acid eat up your skin and is topical Finasteride with an alcohol base safe and does it work? I read about Hussan and Wong, they are in Canada and they use a lipid base that is not legal in the US.... Thanks for any advice. I know its a lot to take and I have many questions, so I appreciate any information you can give!!

A lot of the points you bring up I can not respond to but on Retinoic acid I can confirm as I use it everyday on my face (Retin-a) it doesn't eat away at your skin. I also used it with Susan's formula of dr klein and my skin was fine. Your skin peels which is normal. The amount in the topical is soooo small compared to what I use on my face. With my face I use a pea size and I must wear sun block during the day.

bornthisway
01-02-2017, 05:22 AM
I started with 12.5% from belgravia in London uk. I respond to minoxidil very well. I do fell I should have started lower but I didn't know. The 7.5% respond well to me as I respond well to minoxidil. Maybe go higher.

The best think to do is call up on Tuesday and ask to speak To Susan. She is very knowledgable. On the other hand jazz or k9 can help. Jazz was the person to get her to make the dr klein formula so they have had a working relationship for some time now.

Being a lot older (30s) I don't consider myself a responder given how much my hair recessed on dutasteride and loss is rather aggressive (losing hair 13+ years). I'm just not sure if I should start on 30% cream with all additives or the 12.5% cream. I'd like to gain ground faster/sooner and the higher percentage seems like if minoxidil will do anything it probably will. K9 mentioned he's older as well and I believe 30% was a game changer for him. I think my situation would be closer to his probably.

I'm considering getting the S5 Cream Plus because of the tempol. It may be an aggressive way to attack this. Also includes alfatradiol and spiro.

sleeme
01-02-2017, 09:44 AM
So which of these products do you guys think I should start with. Being off of Propecia now for a month and possibly will try to restart with micro dosing but I am waiting to get hormone levels down to normal. I was going to start with 5 or 7.5% minoxidil but I am skeptical of the other products and the Progesterone. Maybe not take all the products everyday and switch off with minoxidil alone and them with all the products? I wonder how much of the topical Finasteride works in the blood serum and if it works at all. Any experience with these products with not taking the oral Propecia??
Tretinoin (RA) 0.025%
Azelaic Acid 5%
Progesterone 0.25%
Finasteride 0.1%
Hydrocortisone 0.1%
Vitamin E 0.1%
DMI

k9gatton
01-02-2017, 11:00 AM
So which of these products do you guys think I should start with. Being off of Propecia now for a month and possibly will try to restart with micro dosing but I am waiting to get hormone levels down to normal. I was going to start with 5 or 7.5% minoxidil but I am skeptical of the other products and the Progesterone. Maybe not take all the products everyday and switch off with minoxidil alone and them with all the products? I wonder how much of the topical Finasteride works in the blood serum and if it works at all. Any experience with these products with not taking the oral Propecia??
Tretinoin (RA) 0.025%
Azelaic Acid 5%
Progesterone 0.25%
Finasteride 0.1%
Hydrocortisone 0.1%
Vitamin E 0.1%
DMI

.1% Finasteride * 1 gram topical = 1 milligram oral Finasteride. They are equal.

topical Finasteride DHT Reduction = ~76% (average).
oral Finasteride DHT Reduction = ~70% (average).

They probably also have the same side effects for PFS, although there's not a lot
of study on that.

Personally I would not recommend supplementing with Tretinoin acid. My scalp
seemed to lose hair when I added it into the mix. (For people who don't know, I
take Minoxidil, Finasteride, Hydrocortisone, and Progesterone in the same
topical solution).

My own personal experience - The Tretinoin burned my scalp.

If anybody doesn't believe me, I will be more than happy to provide photographic evidence.

Also Azelaic Acid is questionable. I really don't take it, so I don't know very much about it.

sleeme
01-02-2017, 11:58 AM
so taking it topically is the same as oral? Then more men should use topical if the reduction is higher What about processing through the liver on topical? All this is so confusing.

k9gatton
01-02-2017, 01:44 PM
so taking it topically is the same as oral? Then more men should use topical if the reduction is higher What about processing through the liver on topical? All this is so confusing.


That's exactly right. To give you the short answer, marketing for Merk is
the reason it's oral.


In the US, Propecia (1 mg Fin) came out in 1997. At the time, their biggest
competitor was Rogaine (script only).


So to make it look easier for men to use, it was once a day pill versus
twice a day topical Minoxidil.

Jazz1
01-04-2017, 04:46 PM
So if you add all additives to minoxidil how does the price change? Is there any reason the 30% minoxidil is actually being absorbed moreso than the 15%? I saw online testimonials claiming the 30% to be superior and thus faster acting with an improvement over 15%. My concern at 30% is what are the adverse effects such as on your heart? I personally recall old discussions claiming the difference ought to be negligible, I believe due to the assumption 30% wouldn't absorb sufficiently. I am thinking of placing an order but unsure as to the strength and which additives to add if not all. Progesterone from what I recall had a sweet spot close to 2%, too little or too much more being less effective.

I highly do not suggest 30% unless you have not tried 15%, all depends what you currently use? I combine my 15% mixture with my 5% regaine foam. The price to add all additives remains the same, if you check the previous threads I posted I explained the set prices I done for us forum guys, she also gives 10% discount if you purchase 3 bottles in one go. Also to add only 1ml is required per day, no more! 3 bottles will last 6 months, mine last slightly more as I use 4 squirts to save more money.

Jazz1
01-04-2017, 04:53 PM
you have a choice of using liquid or cream. i know that from 5-15 percent you can choose liquid or cream. in liquid 6 pumps is 1ml.

Adding 0.1% Hydocortisone regardless will make the lotion thicker, so depends on the additives added.

Jazz1
01-04-2017, 04:55 PM
Exactly. You want it on the baldest areas.


The Finasteride didn't keep my hair in. The Progesterone does.


I've only used this single topical application for a year (with 30%).


It will be interesting to see how long the Minoxidil will keep
my hair in.

Hey how is the progesterone lotion bottles, does it leave your hair greasy or dry quick? I might add them on my next order.

Jazz1
01-04-2017, 04:57 PM
How has your hair changed with the 30% pea sized? Do you all think the cream is just as effective carrier? I think creams are easier to apply generally and less messy (no run off). I have only used up to 5% before and my hair is thin. I'm wondering since I've lost a lot of ground if I really should start at 12.5% or 30%. With using a pea sized amount of cream are the sides still just as likely (I'd guess sides are dependent on how well it's absorbed)? What's the cost for 12 5%? Given every additive has a proven track record, it seems like a good idea to include each as you'd target hair loss from a lot of angles. I'd guess the ingredients are complimentary and synergistic since they can be combined.

What's your current regime? That way I can help guide you, here's the other thread on price list and how to order.

https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/threads/17446-Dr-Oscar-Klein-hairloss-Ex-patients-who-need-HELP%21?highlight=

Jazz1
01-04-2017, 05:02 PM
Thanks for responding to my questions! I am having a hard time deciding what to use. I stopped Propecia because all my hormone levels are sky high out of range and my doctor told me to stop the medication to see if they return to normal. I am waiting now for the results and its been four weeks since i took the last Propecia 1mg. I have had NO side effects from the drug except for high Testosterone, estrogen, SHBG and for the last year, my doctor thought I had a benign condition of the liver but I recently tested my liver while off Propecia and the tests all came back normal. So now I am thinking Propecia has caused all this. Maybe this is how some people crash after taking the medication for years. They don't know unless they monitor their hormone levels and eventually it all comes crashing down. As of now I want to do something and wanted a topical so I thought maybe the 0.01% topical Finasteride would work. Or maybe mixing Retinoic Acid or Azelaic acid with minoxidil? I also didn't know if I should add progesterone in the topical? I was even thinking of possible micro dosing Propecia. I might respond to it since I think 1mg was a bit much. It just seems like I can't get any advice and don't know who to believe when it comes to hair loss issues. Is it too much to take on a daily basis? Is it dangerous to mix all of those things together? Won't the Retinoic acid eat up your skin and is topical Finasteride with an alcohol base safe and does it work? I read about Hussan and Wong, they are in Canada and they use a lipid base that is not legal in the US.... Thanks for any advice. I know its a lot to take and I have many questions, so I appreciate any information you can give!!


Hey just to add even topical finesteride will absorb into your blood stream, just less side effect compared to oral use. Tretinoin AKA retinoids will not eat your skin away, they just remove a thin layer. The percentage used won't cause long term side effects, I have been using it since Dr Klein days, over 3 years now. The good part about using tretinoin it helps counter the skin thinning side effects from Hydocortisone.

Personally Finetseride is your main bullet to saving hair, as mentioned before finesteride is a DHT inhibitor whilst the rest are Anti Angrogen/Growth.

Jazz1
01-04-2017, 05:06 PM
Being a lot older (30s) I don't consider myself a responder given how much my hair recessed on dutasteride and loss is rather aggressive (losing hair 13+ years). I'm just not sure if I should start on 30% cream with all additives or the 12.5% cream. I'd like to gain ground faster/sooner and the higher percentage seems like if minoxidil will do anything it probably will. K9 mentioned he's older as well and I believe 30% was a game changer for him. I think my situation would be closer to his probably.

I'm considering getting the S5 Cream Plus because of the tempol. It may be an aggressive way to attack this. Also includes alfatradiol and spiro.

Hey do not waste your money on S5 cream unless you have responded to Finetseride or Dutasteride. Please do not fall for these mixtures to be a cure unless you respond to Fiensteride or Dutasteride!

Tell me more what have you used from the start and what's failing to work, as the best option besides Finesteride and Dutasteride are RU58841 or CB-03-01.

Jazz1
01-04-2017, 05:27 PM
Topical is a better option as your correct you by pass most the organs. That does not mean it fails to reach the blood stream!

I had to use topical at the start as i had side effects taking it orally. Now I can use both fine oral or topical. I used 0.025% topically every 3rd to build my tolerance at the beginning until my body built tolerance.

sleeme
01-05-2017, 12:02 AM
Hey just to add even topical finesteride will absorb into your blood stream, just less side effect compared to oral use. Tretinoin AKA retinoids will not eat your skin away, they just remove a thin layer. The percentage used won't cause long term side effects, I have been using it since Dr Klein days, over 3 years now. The good part about using tretinoin it helps counter the skin thinning side effects from Hydocortisone.

Personally Finetseride is your main bullet to saving hair, as mentioned before finesteride is a DHT inhibitor whilst the rest are Anti Angrogen/Growth.

I know Finesteride is the best defense from hair loss but do you think the topical will help work as well? I was told since I am 27 to start with 0.025% topical Finesteride. I have been off Propecia now for 6 weeks with no hair loss yet but I am getting concerned. Do you think I should use any of these products instead or both the minoxidil and topical Finesteride? I also was told to take Propecia in micro doses. HELP! I need advice on what to do or take. Thanks!
Here are the ingredients from the wellness center. I was thinking starting with topical finesteride with no additives or a few of these ingredients like Minoxidil 5%, Azelaic Acid, Tretinoin and maybe the progesterone. I appreciate any help on where to start to keep my hair I have from Propecia using of the last 18 months.

Minoxidil 5% - 30%
Tretinoin (RA) 0.025%
Azelaic Acid 5%
Progesterone 0.25%
Finasteride 0.1%
Hydrocortisone 0.1%
Vitamin E 0.1%
DMI

sleeme
01-05-2017, 12:09 AM
Jazz1,

Hope you don't mind another question but when you were using topical Finasteride was that the only treatment you were using? And did it stop your hair loss? If the topical stops side effects then how can it cause hormone levels to be the same as oral? I also saw a You Tube video they said to start with 0.05% topical Finasterdie.

Jazz1
01-05-2017, 02:41 AM
Hey guys will reply later after work.

sleeme
01-05-2017, 08:31 AM
i can't send or receive messages on my account. Does anyone know why? I sent a message to the webmaster but no response.

sleeme
01-05-2017, 08:44 AM
Where do you buy RU58841 or CB-03-01 and what is SS cream? Where do these products come from and what country? I mean are these products safe to use. I am new to all this hair loss stiff and find it all so confusing. I have read so much I don't know what to believe. I have been to several doctors and each one tells me different. I know Propecia is the best defense but I took it for 18 months and my bloodbwork was so sky high that it concerns me to continue for now. That's why I wanted to know of other good treatments to save what I have from propecia and or maybe consider the topical porpecia that is from a compounding pharmacy. Any advice form you guys. I am getting stressed over all this and rally confused.

funkville
01-05-2017, 08:54 AM
i can't send or receive messages on my account. Does anyone know why? I sent a message to the webmaster but no response.

I'm not sure also. I was trying to pm doke but there is not option other than aol messages which both needs to have

bornthisway
01-07-2017, 05:01 AM
I highly do not suggest 30% unless you have not tried 15%, all depends what you currently use? I combine my 15% mixture with my 5% regaine foam. The price to add all additives remains the same, if you check the previous threads I posted I explained the set prices I done for us forum guys, she also gives 10% discount if you purchase 3 bottles in one go. Also to add only 1ml is required per day, no more! 3 bottles will last 6 months, mine last slightly more as I use 4 squirts to save more money.


I just am on dut. If it's just a pea sized amount at 30% of minox cream, shouldn't the side effect profile be similar to that of 15% cream? I have used up to 5% long ago. The idea of 30% was mostly to target it somewhat aggressively but safely.

bornthisway
01-08-2017, 03:54 PM
Btw guys what's the price of 12.5%? I'm still debating whether I'll start low or high.

Jazz1
01-11-2017, 03:05 PM
Where do you buy RU58841 or CB-03-01 and what is SS cream? Where do these products come from and what country? I mean are these products safe to use. I am new to all this hair loss stiff and find it all so confusing. I have read so much I don't know what to believe. I have been to several doctors and each one tells me different. I know Propecia is the best defense but I took it for 18 months and my bloodbwork was so sky high that it concerns me to continue for now. That's why I wanted to know of other good treatments to save what I have from propecia and or maybe consider the topical porpecia that is from a compounding pharmacy. Any advice form you guys. I am getting stressed over all this and rally confused.

I discovered about these chemicals on hairlosshelp, than joined here and old school users who eventually went downhill on finesteride and DUT are now using these chemicals. I know a user on hairlosshelp that has maintained a full head of hair for over 20 years, now he is using CB-03-01.

Kane is the guy that sells these chemicals, the website is http://anageninc.com/. I have tried RU58841, 100% works but for me finesteride is still working great.

Jazz1
01-11-2017, 03:09 PM
I just am on dut. If it's just a pea sized amount at 30% of minox cream, shouldn't the side effect profile be similar to that of 15% cream? I have used up to 5% long ago. The idea of 30% was mostly to target it somewhat aggressively but safely.
Than in that case I would only suggest using 30% in weak areas tiny amount, rotate it with 5%. I use the 15% only on my weak areas and it works a treat especially with derma rolling every other day. Although carefull not to use 15% after derma rolling as the absorption gave me a very bad headache! On the plus side my forehead is like a werewolf as derm rolling 100% works when combined with treatments.

Jazz1
01-11-2017, 03:12 PM
Btw guys what's the price of 12.5%? I'm still debating whether I'll start low or high.

I have posted everything here, don't forget to take advantage of the 10% discount I done for us forum guys, if you purchase 6 months supply in one go. Personally I would go with 12.5% or 15% if you have never used either one, as 30% is too extreme if you have never used 15%!

https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/threads/17446-Dr-Oscar-Klein-hairloss-Ex-patients-who-need-HELP%21?highlight=

Jazz1
01-27-2017, 11:12 PM
Hey guys, who else is using her progesterone leave in lotion? I am thinking of ordering this on my next order.

Jazz1
03-08-2017, 05:01 PM
Hi guys how is everyone?

JohnMPB
03-13-2017, 11:45 PM
Jazz

You claim you know a bunch of people including family members that use this product successfully. You said for months you would post pics of your family and friends success yet we are still waiting to see one pic of anyone having success with these lotions besides just you.

I just don't get it...

Jazz1
03-14-2017, 12:27 AM
Jazz

You claim you know a bunch of people including family members that use this product successfully. You said for months you would post pics of your family and friends success yet we are still waiting to see one pic of anyone having success with these lotions besides just you.

I just don't get it...

Hey I regards to my success I just carried on maintening my hair since Dr Klein passed away. The further success I had was vellus forehead hairs from derma rolling plus this lotion. Unfortunately like others my cousin has failed to send me further pictures, I can not force people to send pictures.

I am not here to sell you anything and neither was this thread created to for that purpose. I created this thread to help people to an alternative when Dr Klein passed away. Yes I have had success I am an Nowrwood one and have been for the past 4+ years since using the products, 2 years on Dr Klein lotions and now Susan's-Murray Avenue lotion.

I can take pictures of my hair if that helps, in regards to the rest I can not help you out, as people are very selfish these days in wanting to help others, sorry.

JohnMPB
03-18-2017, 11:14 AM
My point is I haven't seen anyone else claim success (backed up with evidence) from this compounded lotion except you. Even on other forums I have encountered a handful of people that claim these lotions did nothing for them and they dropped them.

There is actually more photographic proof of people getting results from belgravia 12.5% minox.

My main point is these products are extremely expensive. If a young college age student is getting persuaded by your posts and buys this lotion they have a lot on the line to lose financially compared to investing in the standard big 3.

k9gatton
03-18-2017, 06:29 PM
Hey how is the progesterone lotion bottles, does it leave your hair greasy or dry quick? I might add them on my next order.

On the vertex the Progesterone is helping.

On the temples, not as much. There is some terminal hairs, but it's not enough
density to lower my Norwood level.

Currently my hair isn't greasy. It's really only .25%. I'm going to try to get my .5%
up to 1% (it took me a long time to get them to give me higher dosages).

Jazz1
03-19-2017, 08:25 AM
My point is I haven't seen anyone else claim success (backed up with evidence) from this compounded lotion except you. Even on other forums I have encountered a handful of people that claim these lotions did nothing for them and they dropped them.

There is actually more photographic proof of people getting results from belgravia 12.5% minox.

My main point is these products are extremely expensive. If a young college age student is getting persuaded by your posts and buys this lotion they have a lot on the line to lose financially compared to investing in the standard big 3.

That's a shame as the people who I spoke to using it still carry on having results I.E. Tariq one guy on here you can message.

I totally understand your point, as I mentioned Dr Klein was in business for years and had so many clients still to this date so obviously staying in business all these years it must have an effect on clients. The same goes with the BIG3 I have seen tons of people who have success, than vanish once they achieve results. I can not help you much, I have used the Belgravia clinic and trust me they are a complete RIP off regarding students, try purchasing a years 12.5% than let me know how your wallet feels :).

As mentioned I did not create this thread to pull in new clients or help promote a business. The thread was created to HELP existing DR KLEIN patients like myself for an alternative when DR KLEIN passed away, as his clinic stopped selling the lotions leaving so many existing clients in the ditch.

Jazz1
03-19-2017, 08:26 AM
On the vertex the Progesterone is helping.

On the temples, not as much. There is some terminal hairs, but it's not enough
density to lower my Norwood level.

Currently my hair isn't greasy. It's really only .25%. I'm going to try to get my .5%
up to 1% (it took me a long time to get them to give me higher dosages).


Thanks for the input I just bought 4 bottles to use twice a week. I have found after my intense gym sessions my scalp does itch, after applying this tends to ease the itch down after Revita shampoo in the morning.

cardib
03-22-2017, 12:37 PM
the only ppl who have had success with susans lotion from murray ave are kgatton, and jazz, and their hairloss is not that bad. we all wish we had the set of hair they did. so i dont even think its a realistic claim.

I have not heard or seen anyone else with success. i myself used everything from the 12.5% all the way up to 30% from susan for over a year with no results, so i stopped wasting my money on it. when i emailed her(Susan the companys owner) to ask what can i do since ive tried all the products she sells, she never got back to me. now what does a woman with a full head of hair know about hairloss. i dont care if shes a pharmacist, shes not MD or PHD. She simply saw the opportunity that opened up when Dr Klein passed away to sell high strenght minox, and imo exploits hair loss sufferers like ourselves who think that a higher strength minoxidil is what he need to start responding to min again.

So for future forum members considering buying her products, know that it is really just a bust. only 2 ppl have seen results from it even though scores of ppl have used it including myself. higher strenght minox doesnt work and will lead to health side effects, some internal that are not seeing on the outside.

and all the additives to her formula, the progesterone, the AA, the retin A dont do jack shit either. just because theres a study saying it helped with hairloss on mice or some human hair follicles in a petri dish in a study in 2002 doesnt mean it works on a real human in real life. and dont even get me started on the topical fin she puts in the formula. topical fin doesnt do shit for the scalp.

STOP wasting money on Murray avenue products.

cardib
03-22-2017, 12:46 PM
My point is I haven't seen anyone else claim success (backed up with evidence) from this compounded lotion except you. Even on other forums I have encountered a handful of people that claim these lotions did nothing for them and they dropped them.

There is actually more photographic proof of people getting results from belgravia 12.5% minox.

My main point is these products are extremely expensive. If a young college age student is getting persuaded by your posts and buys this lotion they have a lot on the line to lose financially compared to investing in the standard big 3.

the only ppl who have had success with susans lotion from murray ave are kgatton, and jazz, and their hairloss is not that bad. we all wish we had the set of hair they did. so i dont even think its a realistic claim.

I have not heard or seen anyone else with success. i myself used everything from the 12.5% all the way up to 30% from susan for over a year with no results, so i stopped wasting my money on it. when i emailed her(Susan the companys owner) to ask what can i do since ive tried all the products she sells, she never got back to me. now what does a woman with a full head of hair know about hairloss. i dont care if shes a pharmacist, shes not MD or PHD. She simply saw the opportunity that opened up when Dr Klein passed away to sell high strenght minox, and imo exploits hair loss sufferers like ourselves who think that a higher strength minoxidil is what he need to start responding to min again.

So for future forum members considering buying her products, know that it is really just a bust. only 2 ppl have seen results from it even though scores of ppl have used it including myself. higher strenght minox doesnt work and will lead to health side effects, some internal that are not seeing on the outside.

and all the additives to her formula, the progesterone, the AA, the retin A dont do jack shit either. just because theres a study saying it helped with hairloss on mice or some human hair follicles in a petri dish in a study in 2002 doesnt mean it works on a real human in real life. and dont even get me started on the topical fin she puts in the formula. topical fin doesnt do shit for the scalp.

STOP wasting money on Murray avenue products.

Jazz1
03-23-2017, 02:19 AM
the only ppl who have had success with susans lotion from murray ave are kgatton, and jazz, and their hairloss is not that bad. we all wish we had the set of hair they did. so i dont even think its a realistic claim.

I have not heard or seen anyone else with success. i myself used everything from the 12.5% all the way up to 30% from susan for over a year with no results, so i stopped wasting my money on it. when i emailed her(Susan the companys owner) to ask what can i do since ive tried all the products she sells, she never got back to me. now what does a woman with a full head of hair know about hairloss. i dont care if shes a pharmacist, shes not MD or PHD. She simply saw the opportunity that opened up when Dr Klein passed away to sell high strenght minox, and imo exploits hair loss sufferers like ourselves who think that a higher strength minoxidil is what he need to start responding to min again.

So for future forum members considering buying her products, know that it is really just a bust. only 2 ppl have seen results from it even though scores of ppl have used it including myself. higher strenght minox doesnt work and will lead to health side effects, some internal that are not seeing on the outside.

and all the additives to her formula, the progesterone, the AA, the retin A dont do jack shit either. just because theres a study saying it helped with hairloss on mice or some human hair follicles in a petri dish in a study in 2002 doesnt mean it works on a real human in real life. and dont even get me started on the topical fin she puts in the formula. topical fin doesnt do shit for the scalp.

STOP wasting money on Murray avenue products.


Hey I'm sorry to hear you did not have success, the same goes with the BIG 3 guys. To also clarify a few things you had issues with finesteride right? Killed your libido?

Correct me if I'm wrong?

https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/threads/22671-Fin-killing-my-libido-Anyone-know-a-good-online-pharmacy-to-order-viagra?highlight=

No product will work unless you halt Hairloss, you can slap a million things on your head, but I'm sorry to say if you haven't halt your Hairloss with a DHT blocker like finesteride or DUT your wasting your money.

As mentioned before I DO NOT care if you don't buy from her or if anyone else buys from her. You should stick to the BIG 3, my opinion go buy yourself some 1mg legit propecia, 5% minoxidil foam and some 2% keto shampoo.

That fails to work don't slate the forums or Merck for creating a tablet that gave you libido issues. Now on the other hand if you had asked me for advice regarding your libido issues I would have gratefully recommended few things to help you.

To add I'm from the UK, Susan is based in USA, I used to buy 12.5% minoxidil with added Azelaic acid from the Belgravia clinic that charged me double the price. Their website has tons of pictures people using finesteride and their 12.5% with success.

So just to add guys you have variable options to buy from different sources as I'm only here to help. Also to add if FINESTERIDE does not halt your Hairloss than forget all other options you will be wasting your money :).

Tarikko
03-24-2017, 11:33 AM
Hey guys

I haven't posted here in ages


I been on Susan's lotion for over two years now I think, and eventhough I had a hair transplant (fue 1200) to my frontal area, I experienced great improvement


The area in the Middle was sparse and the back of my head I had a clear empty circle of no hair

Now it's all black (no more hole) and thick

My 2 cents

coolhairgone
03-25-2017, 08:10 AM
You can't really tell if a product works or not based on the comments on forums, because those who have good results probably will no longer show up in forums and those who are disappointed will more likely come there to vent. It is just my 2 cents.

cardib
03-25-2017, 05:48 PM
susan's lotion cost $90for the tube and $60 for the med consult, so its a $150 investment just to try it. so yes, sometimes you got to depend on forums for real reviews of products before you waste your money, or at least be warned before you waste your money, bc susan is not going to tell you her products doesn't work on the grand majority of everyone that buys it
You can't really tell if a product works or not based on the comments on forums, because those who have good results probably will no longer show up in forums and those who are disappointed will more likely come there to vent. It is just my 2 cents.

cardib
03-25-2017, 05:50 PM
so your saying it helps with transplanted hairs? what about those of us sanz transplant????? we are talking about susans lotion for regular non transplanted hair...
your two cents only help ppl with transplants...

cardib
03-25-2017, 05:54 PM
lets also not forget for those that have even tried susans lotion, and have had to use the medical wellness pharmacy to get the prescription, that it asks you how did you hear about purchasing this products, and Jazz's name is on of the boxes you click. So i dont know if he gets commission whenever anyone clicks his name or what, but its suspicious. if he's not getting a percentage of the sales, why would his name even be on there?

k9gatton
03-26-2017, 09:07 AM
so your saying it helps with transplanted hairs? what about those of us sanz transplant????? we are talking about susans lotion for regular non transplanted hair...
your two cents only help ppl with transplants...


Appreciate your quote about my hair. Actually, I am a Norwood three, but my hair is growing back. Not much at the hairline.


I'm always posting pictures here. Don't want people to think I'm just talk. I'm not.


The Progesterone was the break through for me. With my hair, it really did help. And doubling it did the trick, to .5%.


They still won't give me one percent. Just got a refill script in the beginning of March.
They say it's too high (it would be the equivalent of ten milligrams, per one gram).

k9gatton
03-26-2017, 09:51 AM
the only ppl who have had success with susans lotion from murray ave are kgatton, and jazz, and their hairloss is not that bad. we all wish we had the set of hair they did. so i dont even think its a realistic claim.

I have not heard or seen anyone else with success. i myself used everything from the 12.5% all the way up to 30% from susan for over a year with no results, so i stopped wasting my money on it. when i emailed her(Susan the companys owner) to ask what can i do since ive tried all the products she sells, she never got back to me. now what does a woman with a full head of hair know about hairloss. i dont care if shes a pharmacist, shes not MD or PHD. She simply saw the opportunity that opened up when Dr Klein passed away to sell high strenght minox, and imo exploits hair loss sufferers like ourselves who think that a higher strength minoxidil is what he need to start responding to min again.

So for future forum members considering buying her products, know that it is really just a bust. only 2 ppl have seen results from it even though scores of ppl have used it including myself. higher strenght minox doesnt work and will lead to health side effects, some internal that are not seeing on the outside.

and all the additives to her formula, the progesterone, the AA, the retin A dont do jack shit either. just because theres a study saying it helped with hairloss on mice or some human hair follicles in a petri dish in a study in 2002 doesnt mean it works on a real human in real life. and dont even get me started on the topical fin she puts in the formula. topical fin doesnt do shit for the scalp.

STOP wasting money on Murray avenue products.

Again, Appreciate the comment about my hair. If you saw how bad I was in 2013, you would know that
it was almost a lost cause for me. I was probably even worse than a Norwood 4.

To be honest, it was the Progesterone that did the work for me.

Check out my Progesterone thread pictures. Look at my 2013 picture. My hair is horrible, and it's obvious it's balding.

Doubling the Progesterone amount was the smartest move I made. It's hard, because usually both the doctors at Med Wellness center or Susan will deny requests for higher amounts of Progesterone. I tried one percent, but I still get .5%. The max amount on their site is .25%.

Jazz1
03-26-2017, 09:54 AM
lets also not forget for those that have even tried susans lotion, and have had to use the medical wellness pharmacy to get the prescription, that it asks you how did you hear about purchasing this products, and Jazz's name is on of the boxes you click. So i dont know if he gets commission whenever anyone clicks his name or what, but its suspicious. if he's not getting a percentage of the sales, why would his name even be on there?

To clarify this I never asked for my name to be published, yes she does give me extra discount, which again I didn't ask. I recently spent over $200 with her and I'm happy to provide proof of my purchases before you get it twisted I'm some sort of sales person.

As stated I'm sorry if the product didn't help you, as mentioned people try the BIG 3 before purchasing any lotion potions.

Also may I ask you, what are you currently using, or what did you use prior to that lotion? Finesteride?

Jazz1
03-26-2017, 10:00 AM
so your saying it helps with transplanted hairs? what about those of us sanz transplant????? we are talking about susans lotion for regular non transplanted hair...
your two cents only help ppl with transplants...

What about the BIG3, you not tried the basics? 1mg oral tablet, 5% minoxidil, Keto shampoo?

To also add you can track all my posts on all forums from when I used Dr Klein, go check my posts on hairlosshelp I been a member since 2010.

Re-read my first post, I created this thread to help existing Dr Klein patients, when Dr klein passed away his clinic stopped selling his lotions to me. I never created this thread to become a sales rep, I created this thread to help people.

I bet you never responded well to the BIG3?

Jazz1
03-26-2017, 10:17 AM
lets also not forget for those that have even tried susans lotion, and have had to use the medical wellness pharmacy to get the prescription, that it asks you how did you hear about purchasing this products, and Jazz's name is on of the boxes you click. So i dont know if he gets commission whenever anyone clicks his name or what, but its suspicious. if he's not getting a percentage of the sales, why would his name even be on there?

Check all my posts I was a previous 2 year Dr Klein patient and always rated his products before he passed away. Thats when I looked for alternatives and even tried the Polaris range without success until I found Susan. So before you get it twisted I'm some sort of sales rep, go do your research before trying to make me look bad, when all i have done is provide help back on the forums!

Also maybe you should try the Polaris stuff, you can get it from the internet without prescription and it's cheaper with similar ingredients. As mentioned before what about the BIG3? Does it not work for you?

http://www.hairlosshelp.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=10&threadid=112396&highlight_key=y

JohnMPB
03-26-2017, 09:54 PM
Jazz what ever happened to mark from *** and hlh?

Jazz1
03-27-2017, 01:39 AM
Jazz what ever happened to mark from *** and hlh?

Funny you mentioned him, I spoke to him the other day via watts app. The guy still has a full set of hair, considering all the products he has used, bless.

I think he was not too well last year, plus he's been focusing on his new house.

JohnMPB
03-28-2017, 10:06 AM
Funny you mentioned him, I spoke to him the other day via watts app. The guy still has a full set of hair, considering all the products he has used, bless.

I think he was not too well last year, plus he's been focusing on his new house.

Do you know what's in his regimen now? I remember the guy was literally on everything

JohnMPB
03-28-2017, 10:06 AM
Funny you mentioned him, I spoke to him the other day via watts app. The guy still has a full set of hair, considering all the products he has used, bless.

I think he was not too well last year, plus he's been focusing on his new house.

Do you know what's in his regimen now? I remember the guy was literally on everything

Also y did he quit posting on forums?

I don't see you posting on other forums either

Jazz1
03-29-2017, 06:10 AM
Do you know what's in his regimen now? I remember the guy was literally on everything

Hey mentions other day he just using DUT and natural oils, knowing Mark he probably using more than mentioned.

Jazz1
03-29-2017, 06:11 AM
Do you know what's in his regimen now? I remember the guy was literally on everything

Also y did he quit posting on forums?

I don't see you posting on other forums either

Last year he was not very well, plus he's been busy with his new house and life.

k9gatton
03-29-2017, 05:31 PM
Check all my posts I was a previous 2 year Dr Klein patient and always rated his products before he passed away. Thats when I looked for alternatives and even tried the Polaris range without success until I found Susan. So before you get it twisted I'm some sort of sales rep, go do your research before trying to make me look bad, when all i have done is provide help back on the forums!

Also maybe you should try the Polaris stuff, you can get it from the internet without prescription and it's cheaper with similar ingredients. As mentioned before what about the BIG3? Does it not work for you?

http://www.hairlosshelp.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=10&threadid=112396&highlight_key=y


Their lotion, which I also get for myself, has a smaller tube. I just noticed that (a half inch maybe?).


Kind of pissed off, to be honest. I asked Susan this.


Did you see the same thing?

Eire1980
04-02-2017, 01:47 PM
Hey all...I've used susans minix/fin combo for the last 2yrs and my hair loss has still progressed..not to say it doesn't work just that maybe I'm in the minority..I have an appointment with my GP this week with the aim of getting a prescription for proscar...given susans topical isn't working as well for me do you think it's worth taking tablet form or am I just not a good responder and screwed..any thoughts? ..sorry dint mean to hijack the thread..cheers

k9gatton
04-02-2017, 03:12 PM
Hey all...I've used susans minix/fin combo for the last 2yrs and my hair loss has still progressed..not to say it doesn't work just that maybe I'm in the minority..I have an appointment with my GP this week with the aim of getting a prescription for proscar...given susans topical isn't working as well for me do you think it's worth taking tablet form or am I just not a good responder and screwed..any thoughts? ..sorry dint mean to hijack the thread..cheers

It probably doesn't work for some people. Did you just try standard amounts?

Jazz1
04-03-2017, 07:38 AM
Hey all...I've used susans minix/fin combo for the last 2yrs and my hair loss has still progressed..not to say it doesn't work just that maybe I'm in the minority..I have an appointment with my GP this week with the aim of getting a prescription for proscar...given susans topical isn't working as well for me do you think it's worth taking tablet form or am I just not a good responder and screwed..any thoughts? ..sorry dint mean to hijack the thread..cheers

I would consider DUT if you fail to respond to finesteride, more powerfull drugs would be the experimental RU58841 or CB-03-01. All the research I done, RU is a good bet as you can up the dosage, I would consider DUT as a second protocol.

aexit123
04-03-2017, 07:04 PM
should I buy from here: https://02db4e6.netsolhost.com/anagen.net/remin.htm

Jazz1
04-06-2017, 02:14 PM
should I buy from here: https://02db4e6.netsolhost.com/anagen.net/remin.htm

Hey everything is explained in this thread;

https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/threads/17446-Dr-Oscar-Klein-hairloss-Ex-patients-who-need-HELP%21?highlight=

JohnMPB
04-10-2017, 12:56 AM
Make sure to click the box that says jazz refered you so he can get his kickback from Susan

Jazz1
04-10-2017, 01:39 AM
Make sure to click the box that says jazz refered you so he can get his kickback from Susan

Guys do not click my name, as I mentioned before I never asked for my name to be put on their site. Also as previously mentioned I never created this thread to gain any beneficial means for myself, I created this thread to help existing Dr Klein patients who were struggling to purchase 15% when Dr Klein passed away.

So before you guys start to slate me, go back to the initial post on this thread. All I have done since I suffered myself and learnt from the forums is provide help back. I pay for all my products I purchase from Susan as mentioned yes I do get a slight extra discount again which I never asked and I am more than happy to post my bank statement for all my transactions.

JohnMPB
04-10-2017, 07:45 PM
Guys do not click my name, as I mentioned before I never asked for my name to be put on their site. Also as previously mentioned I never created this thread to gain any beneficial means for myself, I created this thread to help existing Dr Klein patients who were struggling to purchase 15% when Dr Klein passed away.

So before you guys start to slate me, go back to the initial post on this thread. All I have done since I suffered myself and learnt from the forums is provide help back. I pay for all my products I purchase from Susan as mentioned yes I do get a slight extra discount again which I never asked and I am more than happy to post my bank statement for all my transactions.

Jazz
Why don't u promote the newest company (regenere) that uses dr. Klein's EXACT formula rather than Susan's attempt at a copy of klein's formula?

JohnMPB
04-10-2017, 07:47 PM
Double post

Jazz1
04-11-2017, 12:47 AM
Jazz
Why don't u promote the newest company (regenere) that uses dr. Klein's EXACT formula rather than Susan's attempt at a copy of klein's formula?

I did try their formula when they reopened, the lotion left hard sticky residue in my scalp.

You can reverse check how I used to always praise Dr Klein formula. I even sent both Dr Klein original formula to both clinics including his DMI 10% sprays at the initial start at my own cost as I wanted his exact original formula. Susan or the current clinic couldn't duplicate the exact original formula. I wish I could have found out who formulated the original formula, personally I think Dr Klein use to make the lotions as Tony would have used the original pharmacy when he sold the company.

Shame as when Dr Klein passed away I use to think Tony was a great guy. They both turned out to be goons, unwilling to help all they were interested at the time was selling the company and money.

Jazz1
04-11-2017, 12:57 AM
Jazz
Why don't u promote the newest company (regenere) that uses dr. Klein's EXACT formula rather than Susan's attempt at a copy of klein's formula?


That's why I don't understand, I don't think there was an old pharmacy. Tony did email me before he sold the company telling me he had helped the new owners and the lotions/sprays will be the exact same etc. That was the case Tony would have used the exact original pharmacy for the exact formulation they used for years instead they using a new pharmacy. My own cost from the UK I sent the original formulations I had left over at the time they still couldn't copy the exact formula.

That's why I come to the conclusion that when Dr Klein was alive he probably made the formulations himself. I loved his old formulations including the DMI sprays. Big shame if their was a pharmacy that formulated the old formula I would without hesitation go back to the original formula.

The UK only has one clinic that charges 3x the amount for 12.5% and the only additive added is azelaic acid.

JohnMPB
04-11-2017, 11:57 PM
That's why I don't understand, I don't think there was an old pharmacy. Tony did email me before he sold the company telling me he had helped the new owners and the lotions/sprays will be the exact same etc. That was the case Tony would have used the exact original pharmacy for the exact formulation they used for years instead they using a new pharmacy. My own cost from the UK I sent the original formulations I had left over at the time they still couldn't copy the exact formula.

That's why I come to the conclusion that when Dr Klein was alive he probably made the formulations himself. I loved his old formulations including the DMI sprays. Big shame if their was a pharmacy that formulated the old formula I would without hesitation go back to the original formula.

The UK only has one clinic that charges 3x the amount for 12.5% and the only additive added is azelaic acid.

Interesting info. I didn't know u sent them the old formulas. Did you try them yourself after they mixed them up and is that how u found out they werent the same? I used to use dr. Klein's spiro lotion and it was extremely clean- dare I say better than dr. Lee.

Again, you seem like a genuine guy jazz. Didn't mean to come off harsh, been having a rough week on my end here and fed up with losing more hair.

Take care

Jazz1
04-12-2017, 04:05 AM
Interesting info. I didn't know u sent them the old formulas. Did you try them yourself after they mixed them up and is that how u found out they werent the same? I used to use dr. Klein's spiro lotion and it was extremely clean- dare I say better than dr. Lee.

Again, you seem like a genuine guy jazz. Didn't mean to come off harsh, been having a rough week on my end here and fed up with losing more hair.

Take care


Hey it is ok, yes I sent Tony the original bottles, at the time he forwarded them to the new owners and even I spoke to their new pharmacist at the time. All I wanted was the original formula exactly the same, as Tony mentioned their current pharmacy does not want to sell anymore(personally I think he was telling lies as Dr Klein was their pharmacist). Susan could not copy the DMI sprays although her lotion is clean, non sticky.

Either way non of them compare to the original formula, I think I might still have a bottle laying about, as I use to buy a whole years supply, the more you bought the more discount. I still have proof purchasing lotion from the new pharmacist and was refunded as I sent them back, due to them being sticky.

Shame as I never had a chance to use Dr Lee I heard he was the best guy with these lotion potions. I did purchase ******* before it closed, but never used it due to closure. That's when I discovered Dr Klein, he seemed genuine and his products worked superb for me, BIG shame he passed away.

I will be making a fresh thread I been doing some research and this might help you. This method is cheap/effective and will help so many people who can not afford products or the people who can not use medication.

Keep track of my new thread I will creating this weekend, stay positive.

What are you currently using and how is your hair?

JohnMPB
04-23-2017, 02:56 PM
Hey it is ok, yes I sent Tony the original bottles, at the time he forwarded them to the new owners and even I spoke to their new pharmacist at the time. All I wanted was the original formula exactly the same, as Tony mentioned their current pharmacy does not want to sell anymore(personally I think he was telling lies as Dr Klein was their pharmacist). Susan could not copy the DMI sprays although her lotion is clean, non sticky.

Either way non of them compare to the original formula, I think I might still have a bottle laying about, as I use to buy a whole years supply, the more you bought the more discount. I still have proof purchasing lotion from the new pharmacist and was refunded as I sent them back, due to them being sticky.

Shame as I never had a chance to use Dr Lee I heard he was the best guy with these lotion potions. I did purchase ******* before it closed, but never used it due to closure. That's when I discovered Dr Klein, he seemed genuine and his products worked superb for me, BIG shame he passed away.

I will be making a fresh thread I been doing some research and this might help you. This method is cheap/effective and will help so many people who can not afford products or the people who can not use medication.

Keep track of my new thread I will creating this weekend, stay positive.

What are you currently using and how is your hair?

Jazz,
I've been on fin and niz since 2006
Minoxidil and tricomin since roughly 2008
I used topical spiro on and off and dr. Lees seemed to provide results. The others weren't as good.

I was about nw3 when I started and during my peak results 2008-2010 I reached about a nw 2.5 and thickened up nicely. I've lost a lot of ground since then and I think I'm at about baseline. I tried RU on my hairline the last ~7 months with no results. I'm thinking of adding dut. My scalp gets inflamed often and I have Revita on the way right now. Kind of adamant on using Revita as it has silicones and that can potentially prevent topicals from absorbing into the scalp as it coats the scalp and hair.

k9gatton
04-30-2017, 09:20 AM
lets also not forget for those that have even tried susans lotion, and have had to use the medical wellness pharmacy to get the prescription, that it asks you how did you hear about purchasing this products, and Jazz's name is on of the boxes you click. So i dont know if he gets commission whenever anyone clicks his name or what, but its suspicious. if he's not getting a percentage of the sales, why would his name even be on there?

You are so right my friend, as usual. That said, I actually gained (lost) one full Norwood number on Progesterone. It's definitely not a Norwood II. But I went from a "classic" Norwood four (hairline, then vertex loss), to a SOLID Norwood three. And I'm NOT talking
about Norwood 3V (vertex, and severely receding hairline). It's a solid three.

It did much more for my vertex than hairline, on the other hand, I need to try dermarolling. Big mistake on my part.

Live and learn I guess.

k9gatton
04-30-2017, 09:23 AM
For the record, Dr. Klein formula is decent, in my opinion.

Recently purchased it, had no issues at all, except the Pay Pal was a little suspicious, in my own
opinion. Had to make a Pay Pal account to pay them.

Other than that, it is very smooth. It's less solid than Murray's, but I still think Murray has a much superior
quality to it. So, I can't really bad mouth Murray's, because I've been using them since 2012.

That said, I'm equally impressed with Promox (Klein's product) as well.

k9gatton
05-03-2017, 07:01 PM
Their lotion, which I also get for myself, has a smaller tube. I just noticed that (a half inch maybe?).


Kind of pissed off, to be honest. I asked Susan this.


Did you see the same thing?

Was definitely wrong about this. They just had a supply order issue during April, and they have the longer tubes.

It is by weight, and the weight was the same.

@Administrator - Could you please remove blog number 1087?

Jazz1
05-09-2017, 08:17 AM
Jazz,
I've been on fin and niz since 2006
Minoxidil and tricomin since roughly 2008
I used topical spiro on and off and dr. Lees seemed to provide results. The others weren't as good.

I was about nw3 when I started and during my peak results 2008-2010 I reached about a nw 2.5 and thickened up nicely. I've lost a lot of ground since then and I think I'm at about baseline. I tried RU on my hairline the last ~7 months with no results. I'm thinking of adding dut. My scalp gets inflamed often and I have Revita on the way right now. Kind of adamant on using Revita as it has silicones and that can potentially prevent topicals from absorbing into the scalp as it coats the scalp and hair.

Hey sorry to hear and sorry about the late reply, what dosage were you trying RU? Same dosage as Fiensteride? RU is more powerfull than DUT, maybe you were using less dosage?

JohnMPB
05-09-2017, 11:48 AM
Hey sorry to hear and sorry about the late reply, what dosage were you trying RU? Same dosage as Fiensteride? RU is more powerfull than DUT, maybe you were using less dosage?

I was just using on hairline. So 1/4 of a ml of 50g/ml solution which comes out to about 12.5g.

As a side note, I've bought the litre bottle of Revita and like it to far. Really helps with inflammation. However I notice the ingredients have silicone. I've read on the UK website for rogaine that users should use a shampoo without silicones as they can potentially coat the scalp and limit absorption. What are your thoughts on this?

What shampoos do you use and on what frequency?

Jazz1
06-03-2017, 01:45 AM
Hey I use Regenepure Dr and Revita been doing so for the past 3 years.

JohnMPB
06-06-2017, 05:41 PM
Hey I use Regenepure Dr and Revita been doing so for the past 3 years.

Both daily? Alternate? Please more info

Jazz1
06-07-2017, 01:15 AM
Both daily? Alternate? Please more info

Yes have been doing so for 3 years, I pre cleanse with Nioxin and scrubber.

Morning time I use 925ml Revita and night use Regenepure Dr. Than twice a week I had some 2% nizoral to my Regenepure shampoo.

meep
07-05-2017, 02:33 AM
Anyone get Susan's stuff analyzed by an independent lab? I used Dr. Lee's x.a.n.d.ro.x. AND IT WORKED. I'm going to try su's stuff, depending...BUT Ive been using dutasteride since Lee disappeared and it's been good at holding off worsening balding, not much regrowth, it is dose dependent though. I use .5 mg a day with grapefruit juice. going to try 1.5mg a day or every other day based on this- http://www.hairlosscure2020.com/dutasteride-and-finasteride-dosage-discussion/

k9gatton
07-14-2017, 07:59 PM
Anyone get Susan's stuff analyzed by an independent lab? I used Dr. Lee's x.a.n.d.ro.x. AND IT WORKED. I'm going to try su's stuff, depending...BUT Ive been using dutasteride since Lee disappeared and it's been good at holding off worsening balding, not much regrowth, it is dose dependent though. I use .5 mg a day with grapefruit juice. going to try 1.5mg a day or every other day based on this- http://www.hairlosscure2020.com/dutasteride-and-finasteride-dosage-discussion/


Tried the same thing you did. Two formulas that have worked for me are Susan's (Medical Wellness Center), and Promox (Regenere). Both have really helped me a lot. The formula above I have used. It worked for a friend of mine, but not for me.

Jazz1
07-31-2017, 12:01 PM
Tried the same thing you did. Two formulas that have worked for me are Susan's (Medical Wellness Center), and Promox (Regenere). Both have really helped me a lot. The formula above I have used. It worked for a friend of mine, but not for me.

What do you use now?