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JohnMPB
07-07-2016, 11:38 PM
Still holding my breath waiting for pics...

Jazz1
07-14-2016, 03:13 PM
Looking forward to the pics

What ever happened to mark? He used to sing praises for all kinds of treatments like ru and proxiphen then he just disappeared.


Hey sorry I been so busy extremely busy lately working, my cousin failed to provide me decent pictures. The sad part I have helped so many people and they fail to post pictures to help the community.

Jazz1
07-14-2016, 03:17 PM
Hi Jazz, I'm new to this site, but not hairloss forums in general. I noticed how you have experience with different types of Minox...What's your opinion on 'Polaris Labs'? I've heard great things about the brand. I just got my hands on NR10. I'd love to use it, but I don't want to waste my time with Snake Oil.
My 5% Rogaine Foam isn't working like it used to, when I first tried it back in 2011. I took a long break from it, & DHT absolutely killed my follicles.
Now I'm on DUT, FIN & Estradiol. Hopefully NR10 with 16% Minox can be the icing on the cake....Sorry to ramble lol

Wow you are on a strong regime, Unfortunatly minoxidol can only hold your hair so much! You need to determine if DUT is working first? Another stronger option is RU58841 or CB-03-01.

I tried the Polaris stuff I did not like their gritty mixture, I have heard mixed results so I guess you can try :).

Jazz1
07-25-2016, 03:08 AM
Still holding my breath waiting for pics...

Hey John I wish the people I have helped and used her lotions ould post their pictures. Shame as their are a few guys on this thread that don't wish to post!

Jazz1
07-25-2016, 03:11 AM
Guys I been doing something different, I been dermarolling once per day on 1mm needle. I did at first use those cheap eBay ones, they kept pulling my hair out. Now I'm using the Dr Derma roller at 1mm and this one slightly more expensive does not pull my hair one bit, I will post pictures later. I tested this on my forehead with Susan's mixture and now my forehead has become like a ware wolf! I been taking regular pictures I will update to show what I mean :).

Eire1980
07-29-2016, 02:53 AM
Hey John I wish the people I have helped and used her lotions ould post their pictures. Shame as their are a few guys on this thread that don't wish to post!

HI Jazz,

thanks for your continued activity on this thread and site in general.
I am using Susan's lotions but to be honest I see not improvement, actually more thinning of the crown and temples.

I just bought a dera roller yesterday and going to try that with minox.
good to hear you are having success.
any advice on this please?

Jazz1
07-29-2016, 03:51 PM
HI Jazz,

thanks for your continued activity on this thread and site in general.
I am using Susan's lotions but to be honest I see not improvement, actually more thinning of the crown and temples.

I just bought a dera roller yesterday and going to try that with minox.
good to hear you are having success.
any advice on this please?

Funny you replied I been derma rolling at 1mm needle with Dr Derma roller now but cheap one worked aswell, only difference the Dr derma roller does not pull my hair. My forehead has tons of hairs, I look like a wolf. I will post pictures tommorow, on the other hand have you halt your hairloss? Is finesteride working? Minoxidil can not work unless you have blocked the DHT. Unless you need a stronger regime like, DUT/RU58841/CB-03-01.

Jazz1
08-24-2016, 11:02 AM
Hey guys I been derma rolling 1mm needle every other day, plus wounding on 1.5mm needle, my forehead has a line of new hairs I look like a wolf :). I started my whole scalp now, the cheap needles work but for long scalp hair they pull, the Dr derma roller I bought doesnt seems to pull my hair, cost slightly more.

I have promised pictures please give me time as I'm tracking the progress and allowing my hair to grow, these are vellus hairs maybe few turned terminal around temples hairline region. I'm going to try Folligen route to see if the vellus ones turn terminal.

Jazz1
10-27-2016, 12:55 PM
Hey guys how is everyone? I was away on holiday just got back, i started to derma roll again as I saw some sweet results when I was derma rolling on the following method. I didn't use Susan's lotion after derma rolling in the morning as that gave me a bad headache, instead I do the 5% regaine after at night.

I bought the Dr Derma roller that seem to not pull my hair, the cheap ones on eBay work but they pulled my hair when long.

The method I'm doing is;

1mm every other day lightly for absorption, I tend to use this on the days I use hair oils.

1.5mm once a week, slight wounding to create stem cell reaction.

Also to add one of my work friends just had a transplant in India he payed 1500 for 8,000 plus grafts FUE 3 day procedure. I saw him the other day 8months post op and his results are Amazing considering what he payed! He was a NR7 and now looks NR1 scale whole scalp coverage.

k9gatton
10-27-2016, 05:52 PM
Just wanted to say I am currently taking thirty percent Minoxidil, mixed with topical Finasteride and Progesterone. Never tried Promax, but I might some day in the future.

Jazz1
11-01-2016, 03:33 PM
Just wanted to say I am currently taking thirty percent Minoxidil, mixed with topical Finasteride and Progesterone. Never tried Promax, but I might some day in the future.


Wow, how you finding it? What did you use prior to 30% as that's a big step. Any results or headache etc? Be carefull not to derma roll and apply that straight after!

k9gatton
11-05-2016, 07:31 AM
Wow, how you finding it? What did you use prior to 30% as that's a big step. Any results or headache etc? Be carefull not to derma roll and apply that straight after!


It's here: https://www.medicalwellnesscenter.com

The price is 49.99, for a six month prescription. For the thirty percent, it's 99.00 per month (60 ml tube). If they approve you, you are charged 49.99.

Susan Mernstein makes it. And she used to make medications for the late Dr. Klein. (The only place you can get it at is Murray Avenue Alcotherapy, located in Pittsburgh PA, US. She owns Murray Avenue Alcotherapy.

The Progesterone is doing the most work though. Highly recommend it. The thirty percent is growing my hair really fast, which is what I want at this point in my life. As for my own experience, that is when my hair started to grow back. And I'm not a young guy.

k9gatton
11-05-2016, 07:36 AM
Wow, how you finding it? What did you use prior to 30% as that's a big step. Any results or headache etc? Be carefull not to derma roll and apply that straight after!

The only side effect I got was swelling in my ankles. That was when I put too much on (more than prescribed amount). I put four times that amount on my hair. Wasn't a good choice on my part.

Jazz1
11-07-2016, 09:21 AM
It's here: https://www.medicalwellnesscenter.com

The price is 49.99, for a six month prescription. For the thirty percent, it's 99.00 per month (60 ml tube). If they approve you, you are charged 49.99.

Susan Mernstein makes it. And she used to make medications for the late Dr. Klein. (The only place you can get it at is Murray Avenue Alcotherapy, located in Pittsburgh PA, US. She owns Murray Avenue Alcotherapy.

The Progesterone is doing the most work though. Highly recommend it. The thirty percent is growing my hair really fast, which is what I want at this point in my life. As for my own experience, that is when my hair started to grow back. And I'm not a young guy.

Haha, that's why I created this thread, I found her when Dr Klein passed away. I was a EX Dr Klein patient until he passed away, than I switched to Susan's stuff ever since and does a fantastic job.

Jazz1
11-07-2016, 09:22 AM
The only side effect I got was swelling in my ankles. That was when I put too much on (more than prescribed amount). I put four times that amount on my hair. Wasn't a good choice on my part.


Any pictures, imagine derma rolling with 30% I reckon that would be awesome regrowth, although a bit risky in regards to side effects.

k9gatton
11-09-2016, 04:19 PM
Any pictures, imagine derma rolling with 30% I reckon that would be awesome regrowth, although a bit risky in regards to side effects.

That would be crazy, and in a bad way. Would never even think of dermarolling with a thirty percent.

So, what do you currently get from Susan's pharmacy? What percentage, and what mixture?

Jazz1
12-07-2016, 04:39 PM
That would be crazy, and in a bad way. Would never even think of dermarolling with a thirty percent.

So, what do you currently get from Susan's pharmacy? What percentage, and what mixture?

Hey I been using her;

15% minoxidil
0.1% finesteride
5% azelaic acid
0.025% tretinoin
0.25% progesteone

I use 1% Hydocortisone once week, most people also add 0.1% Hydocortisone.

Jazz1
12-13-2016, 02:26 PM
Hey guys how is everyone, I'm still about to help anyone needing my help. Also to add guys worth adding a derma roller in your regime as 1mm alongside 1.5mm needle works with wounding once a week and rolling every other day. I seen a huge improvement in the amount of hairs around my forehead and temples.

sleeme
12-29-2016, 09:37 PM
Hi Jazz1,
How long have you been using all these ingredients. I am 27 and just stopped propecia a month ago. I had good results but needed to stop for for blood work and now I don't really want to take it everyday for years and years. I hope you don't mind me asking but at what age did you notice hair loss? I am looking for a good topical but I am concerned that 15% minoxidil is too high of amount to start with. And my doctor said Progesterone will feminize me so now I am concerned about the progesterone. Did you notice that the topical stopped hair loss or do you use any oral medications for hair loss. I wonder if the Finesteride with low dose minoxidil would be good. OR low dose minoxidil with azelaic acid and tretinoin. If you can let me know your thoughts.
Thanks!

sleeme
12-29-2016, 09:41 PM
Hi Jazz1,
How long have you been using all these ingredients. I am 27 and just stopped propecia a month ago. I had good results but needed to stop for for blood work and now I don't really want to take it everyday for years and years. I hope you don't mind me asking but at what age did you notice hair loss? I am looking for a good topical but I am concerned that 15% minoxidil is too high of amount to start with. And my doctor said Progesterone will feminize me so now I am concerned about the progesterone. Did you notice that the topical stopped shedding or do you use any oral medications for hair loss. I wonder if topical Finesteride with low dose minoxidil would be good. OR low dose minoxidil with azelaic acid and Tretinoin. If you can, let me know your thoughts.
Thanks!

funkville
12-30-2016, 02:35 AM
Hi Jazz1,
How long have you been using all these ingredients. I am 27 and just stopped propecia a month ago. I had good results but needed to stop for for blood work and now I don't really want to take it everyday for years and years. I hope you don't mind me asking but at what age did you notice hair loss? I am looking for a good topical but I am concerned that 15% minoxidil is too high of amount to start with. And my doctor said Progesterone will feminize me so now I am concerned about the progesterone. Did you notice that the topical stopped shedding or do you use any oral medications for hair loss. I wonder if topical Finesteride with low dose minoxidil would be good. OR low dose minoxidil with azelaic acid and Tretinoin. If you can, let me know your thoughts.
Thanks!

Jazz will give u advise on this but I will give u my experience with progesterone. I have used progesterone from belvravia in 8% with caffeine and Susan's which is natural in different strengths minoxidil. I got no sidea which affect turned melts feminine. I still lean and very athletic. I don't have man boobs. The ingredient I got sides from was fin. I got depressed, Lost a lot of muscle and sexual sides.

Do your own research. You will find that synthetic and natural progesterone react differently to the body and that synthetic is what has been largely studied.

Start here:

http://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2006/4/report_progesterone/page-01

Oh I started progesterone at 28

Jazz1
12-30-2016, 06:28 PM
Hi Jazz1,
How long have you been using all these ingredients. I am 27 and just stopped propecia a month ago. I had good results but needed to stop for for blood work and now I don't really want to take it everyday for years and years. I hope you don't mind me asking but at what age did you notice hair loss? I am looking for a good topical but I am concerned that 15% minoxidil is too high of amount to start with. And my doctor said Progesterone will feminize me so now I am concerned about the progesterone. Did you notice that the topical stopped hair loss or do you use any oral medications for hair loss. I wonder if the Finesteride with low dose minoxidil would be good. OR low dose minoxidil with azelaic acid and tretinoin. If you can let me know your thoughts.
Thanks!

Hey firstly did your doctor recommend you stop finesteride? were you experiencing any side effects?, finesteride is way more strong than progesterone in regards to gyno/feminize effects. Long term use is fine, the guys who normally have an issue with side effects like me are the ones who need to build tolerance to the drug. Initially when i first took 1mg finesteride i had major libido loss for one month. a few tips via internet alongside less panic, i was able to restart me erectile issues. I had to use topical 0.025% every 3rd day, this worked a treat until my body built tolerance. Today i use 1mg totally fine without any issues, so my advice i would always recommend finesteride if you have no issues, as this is the current first protocol in regards to hairloss. Dr Klein always told me himself before he passed away that spiro/progesterone are very weak topically compared to finesteride. Obviously they are 2 different type of chemical structures, hence why the combination works a treat. One is a DHT inhibitor, whilst the others are ANTI-ANDROGEN/GROWTH/.

I would agree, starting with 5% is always the first protocol, as you want your body to build tolerance with minoxidil, 15% is way strong. Although i have known a lot of people who have used 15% without any issues, i initially had few sides when i went from 5% to 15%, nothing major few headaches etc.

bornthisway
01-01-2017, 04:38 AM
So if you add all additives to minoxidil how does the price change? Is there any reason the 30% minoxidil is actually being absorbed moreso than the 15%? I saw online testimonials claiming the 30% to be superior and thus faster acting with an improvement over 15%. My concern at 30% is what are the adverse effects such as on your heart? I personally recall old discussions claiming the difference ought to be negligible, I believe due to the assumption 30% wouldn't absorb sufficiently. I am thinking of placing an order but unsure as to the strength and which additives to add if not all. Progesterone from what I recall had a sweet spot close to 2%, too little or too much more being less effective.

bornthisway
01-01-2017, 05:01 AM
What about starting at 30% to jump start things and tapering down to 15% the following month and then soon after sticking at 5% for maintenance? Or would you reduce hair yield by reducing the dosage?

k9gatton
01-01-2017, 07:44 AM
So if you add all additives to minoxidil how does the price change? Is there any reason the 30% minoxidil is actually being absorbed moreso than the 15%? I saw online testimonials claiming the 30% to be superior and thus faster acting with an improvement over 15%. My concern at 30% is what are the adverse effects such as on your heart? I personally recall old discussions claiming the difference ought to be negligible, I believe due to the assumption 30% wouldn't absorb sufficiently. I am thinking of placing an order but unsure as to the strength and which additives to add if not all. Progesterone from what I recall had a sweet spot close to 2%, too little or too much more being less effective.


It does lower my blood pressure if I use more than the prescribed amount, which I do a lot. The prescribed amount is a gram, or pea sized amount over the bald area, once daily.


Sometimes I use it twice.


One time I used ten grams at once, and my ankle swelled up. The prescribed amount is one gram. It's a cream, you have to
eye ball it. But the script says "pea sized amount" which ~ one gram.


You will still have to supplement with regular, if you want the "temporary" effects of Minoxidil, which can last up to years.


Minoxidil has to hit the scalp for it to work. And it can't really be done with less volume.

bornthisway
01-01-2017, 08:20 AM
It does lower my blood pressure if I use more than the prescribed amount, which I do a lot. The prescribed amount is a gram, or pea sized amount over the bald area, once daily.


Sometimes I use it twice.


One time I used ten grams at once, and my ankle swelled up. The prescribed amount is one gram. It's a cream, you have to
eye ball it. But the script says "pea sized amount" which ~ one gram.


You will still have to supplement with regular, if you want the "temporary" effects of Minoxidil, which can last up to years.


Minoxidil has to hit the scalp for it to work. And it can't really be done with less volume.

Based on the prescription instructions I guess the pea sized amount is meant to be sufficient for the entire scalp? Have you tried using a pea sized amount and rubbing it in your crown area and spreading it out as much as you can and seeing if it was just as effective? What concentration are you using, if 30% do you notice a difference from where you used 15%? I remember old posts claiming liquid were superior to cream but I don't really remember and specifics or know how valid that is. I know for the liquid they wanted it touching all parts of the scalp ideally... That's not feasible with cream it seems given the small quantity you are allowed to use, but maybe you don't have to based on how well it's absorbed?

bornthisway
01-01-2017, 08:42 AM
I sort of get what you're saying.. the pea sized amount isn't enough to address all balding areas so you supplement with 5%. I guess you want the pea sized on the hardest hit area then.

funkville
01-01-2017, 08:51 AM
you have a choice of using liquid or cream. i know that from 5-15 percent you can choose liquid or cream. in liquid 6 pumps is 1ml.

k9gatton
01-01-2017, 12:41 PM
I sort of get what you're saying.. the pea sized amount isn't enough to address all balding areas so you supplement with 5%. I guess you want the pea sized on the hardest hit area then.



Exactly. You want it on the baldest areas.


The Finasteride didn't keep my hair in. The Progesterone does.


I've only used this single topical application for a year (with 30%).


It will be interesting to see how long the Minoxidil will keep
my hair in.

bornthisway
01-01-2017, 03:06 PM
Exactly. You want it on the baldest areas.


The Finasteride didn't keep my hair in. The Progesterone does.


I've only used this single topical application for a year (with 30%).


It will be interesting to see how long the Minoxidil will keep
my hair in.

How has your hair changed with the 30% pea sized? Do you all think the cream is just as effective carrier? I think creams are easier to apply generally and less messy (no run off). I have only used up to 5% before and my hair is thin. I'm wondering since I've lost a lot of ground if I really should start at 12.5% or 30%. With using a pea sized amount of cream are the sides still just as likely (I'd guess sides are dependent on how well it's absorbed)? What's the cost for 12 5%? Given every additive has a proven track record, it seems like a good idea to include each as you'd target hair loss from a lot of angles. I'd guess the ingredients are complimentary and synergistic since they can be combined.

funkville
01-01-2017, 03:32 PM
the lotion is not very runny it is like baby lotion in texture. when jazz first helped me i started with 7.5% and my hair grew like crazy. im ging back to 7.5% with progesterone and azelaic acid. fin gives me sides i dont need retin-a as i use it every evening. k9 and jazz have been using susan for a long time so they are best to advise.

She is ill at the moment and back on tuesday so give her a call and ask for her advise.

bornthisway
01-01-2017, 05:44 PM
the lotion is not very runny it is like baby lotion in texture. when jazz first helped me i started with 7.5% and my hair grew like crazy. im ging back to 7.5% with progesterone and azelaic acid. fin gives me sides i dont need retin-a as i use it every evening. k9 and jazz have been using susan for a long time so they are best to advise.

She is ill at the moment and back on tuesday so give her a call and ask for her advise.

I didn't really have a response to 5%. Was that your first time using minoxidil and you responded really well?

Jazz1
01-01-2017, 06:16 PM
Hey guys I will reply tommorow, as I work shifts.

sleeme
01-01-2017, 07:30 PM
Thanks for responding to my questions! I am having a hard time deciding what to use. I stopped Propecia because all my hormone levels are sky high out of range and my doctor told me to stop the medication to see if they return to normal. I am waiting now for the results and its been four weeks since i took the last Propecia 1mg. I have had NO side effects from the drug except for high Testosterone, estrogen, SHBG and for the last year, my doctor thought I had a benign condition of the liver but I recently tested my liver while off Propecia and the tests all came back normal. So now I am thinking Propecia has caused all this. Maybe this is how some people crash after taking the medication for years. They don't know unless they monitor their hormone levels and eventually it all comes crashing down. As of now I want to do something and wanted a topical so I thought maybe the 0.01% topical Finasteride would work. Or maybe mixing Retinoic Acid or Azelaic acid with minoxidil? I also didn't know if I should add progesterone in the topical? I was even thinking of possible micro dosing Propecia. I might respond to it since I think 1mg was a bit much. It just seems like I can't get any advice and don't know who to believe when it comes to hair loss issues. Is it too much to take on a daily basis? Is it dangerous to mix all of those things together? Won't the Retinoic acid eat up your skin and is topical Finasteride with an alcohol base safe and does it work? I read about Hussan and Wong, they are in Canada and they use a lipid base that is not legal in the US.... Thanks for any advice. I know its a lot to take and I have many questions, so I appreciate any information you can give!!

funkville
01-02-2017, 03:01 AM
I didn't really have a response to 5%. Was that your first time using minoxidil and you responded really well?

I started with 12.5% from belgravia in London uk. I respond to minoxidil very well. I do fell I should have started lower but I didn't know. The 7.5% respond well to me as I respond well to minoxidil. Maybe go higher.

The best think to do is call up on Tuesday and ask to speak To Susan. She is very knowledgable. On the other hand jazz or k9 can help. Jazz was the person to get her to make the dr klein formula so they have had a working relationship for some time now.

funkville
01-02-2017, 03:06 AM
Thanks for responding to my questions! I am having a hard time deciding what to use. I stopped Propecia because all my hormone levels are sky high out of range and my doctor told me to stop the medication to see if they return to normal. I am waiting now for the results and its been four weeks since i took the last Propecia 1mg. I have had NO side effects from the drug except for high Testosterone, estrogen, SHBG and for the last year, my doctor thought I had a benign condition of the liver but I recently tested my liver while off Propecia and the tests all came back normal. So now I am thinking Propecia has caused all this. Maybe this is how some people crash after taking the medication for years. They don't know unless they monitor their hormone levels and eventually it all comes crashing down. As of now I want to do something and wanted a topical so I thought maybe the 0.01% topical Finasteride would work. Or maybe mixing Retinoic Acid or Azelaic acid with minoxidil? I also didn't know if I should add progesterone in the topical? I was even thinking of possible micro dosing Propecia. I might respond to it since I think 1mg was a bit much. It just seems like I can't get any advice and don't know who to believe when it comes to hair loss issues. Is it too much to take on a daily basis? Is it dangerous to mix all of those things together? Won't the Retinoic acid eat up your skin and is topical Finasteride with an alcohol base safe and does it work? I read about Hussan and Wong, they are in Canada and they use a lipid base that is not legal in the US.... Thanks for any advice. I know its a lot to take and I have many questions, so I appreciate any information you can give!!

A lot of the points you bring up I can not respond to but on Retinoic acid I can confirm as I use it everyday on my face (Retin-a) it doesn't eat away at your skin. I also used it with Susan's formula of dr klein and my skin was fine. Your skin peels which is normal. The amount in the topical is soooo small compared to what I use on my face. With my face I use a pea size and I must wear sun block during the day.

bornthisway
01-02-2017, 05:22 AM
I started with 12.5% from belgravia in London uk. I respond to minoxidil very well. I do fell I should have started lower but I didn't know. The 7.5% respond well to me as I respond well to minoxidil. Maybe go higher.

The best think to do is call up on Tuesday and ask to speak To Susan. She is very knowledgable. On the other hand jazz or k9 can help. Jazz was the person to get her to make the dr klein formula so they have had a working relationship for some time now.

Being a lot older (30s) I don't consider myself a responder given how much my hair recessed on dutasteride and loss is rather aggressive (losing hair 13+ years). I'm just not sure if I should start on 30% cream with all additives or the 12.5% cream. I'd like to gain ground faster/sooner and the higher percentage seems like if minoxidil will do anything it probably will. K9 mentioned he's older as well and I believe 30% was a game changer for him. I think my situation would be closer to his probably.

I'm considering getting the S5 Cream Plus because of the tempol. It may be an aggressive way to attack this. Also includes alfatradiol and spiro.

sleeme
01-02-2017, 09:44 AM
So which of these products do you guys think I should start with. Being off of Propecia now for a month and possibly will try to restart with micro dosing but I am waiting to get hormone levels down to normal. I was going to start with 5 or 7.5% minoxidil but I am skeptical of the other products and the Progesterone. Maybe not take all the products everyday and switch off with minoxidil alone and them with all the products? I wonder how much of the topical Finasteride works in the blood serum and if it works at all. Any experience with these products with not taking the oral Propecia??
Tretinoin (RA) 0.025%
Azelaic Acid 5%
Progesterone 0.25%
Finasteride 0.1%
Hydrocortisone 0.1%
Vitamin E 0.1%
DMI

k9gatton
01-02-2017, 11:00 AM
So which of these products do you guys think I should start with. Being off of Propecia now for a month and possibly will try to restart with micro dosing but I am waiting to get hormone levels down to normal. I was going to start with 5 or 7.5% minoxidil but I am skeptical of the other products and the Progesterone. Maybe not take all the products everyday and switch off with minoxidil alone and them with all the products? I wonder how much of the topical Finasteride works in the blood serum and if it works at all. Any experience with these products with not taking the oral Propecia??
Tretinoin (RA) 0.025%
Azelaic Acid 5%
Progesterone 0.25%
Finasteride 0.1%
Hydrocortisone 0.1%
Vitamin E 0.1%
DMI

.1% Finasteride * 1 gram topical = 1 milligram oral Finasteride. They are equal.

topical Finasteride DHT Reduction = ~76% (average).
oral Finasteride DHT Reduction = ~70% (average).

They probably also have the same side effects for PFS, although there's not a lot
of study on that.

Personally I would not recommend supplementing with Tretinoin acid. My scalp
seemed to lose hair when I added it into the mix. (For people who don't know, I
take Minoxidil, Finasteride, Hydrocortisone, and Progesterone in the same
topical solution).

My own personal experience - The Tretinoin burned my scalp.

If anybody doesn't believe me, I will be more than happy to provide photographic evidence.

Also Azelaic Acid is questionable. I really don't take it, so I don't know very much about it.

sleeme
01-02-2017, 11:58 AM
so taking it topically is the same as oral? Then more men should use topical if the reduction is higher What about processing through the liver on topical? All this is so confusing.

k9gatton
01-02-2017, 01:44 PM
so taking it topically is the same as oral? Then more men should use topical if the reduction is higher What about processing through the liver on topical? All this is so confusing.


That's exactly right. To give you the short answer, marketing for Merk is
the reason it's oral.


In the US, Propecia (1 mg Fin) came out in 1997. At the time, their biggest
competitor was Rogaine (script only).


So to make it look easier for men to use, it was once a day pill versus
twice a day topical Minoxidil.

Jazz1
01-04-2017, 04:46 PM
So if you add all additives to minoxidil how does the price change? Is there any reason the 30% minoxidil is actually being absorbed moreso than the 15%? I saw online testimonials claiming the 30% to be superior and thus faster acting with an improvement over 15%. My concern at 30% is what are the adverse effects such as on your heart? I personally recall old discussions claiming the difference ought to be negligible, I believe due to the assumption 30% wouldn't absorb sufficiently. I am thinking of placing an order but unsure as to the strength and which additives to add if not all. Progesterone from what I recall had a sweet spot close to 2%, too little or too much more being less effective.

I highly do not suggest 30% unless you have not tried 15%, all depends what you currently use? I combine my 15% mixture with my 5% regaine foam. The price to add all additives remains the same, if you check the previous threads I posted I explained the set prices I done for us forum guys, she also gives 10% discount if you purchase 3 bottles in one go. Also to add only 1ml is required per day, no more! 3 bottles will last 6 months, mine last slightly more as I use 4 squirts to save more money.

Jazz1
01-04-2017, 04:53 PM
you have a choice of using liquid or cream. i know that from 5-15 percent you can choose liquid or cream. in liquid 6 pumps is 1ml.

Adding 0.1% Hydocortisone regardless will make the lotion thicker, so depends on the additives added.

Jazz1
01-04-2017, 04:55 PM
Exactly. You want it on the baldest areas.


The Finasteride didn't keep my hair in. The Progesterone does.


I've only used this single topical application for a year (with 30%).


It will be interesting to see how long the Minoxidil will keep
my hair in.

Hey how is the progesterone lotion bottles, does it leave your hair greasy or dry quick? I might add them on my next order.

Jazz1
01-04-2017, 04:57 PM
How has your hair changed with the 30% pea sized? Do you all think the cream is just as effective carrier? I think creams are easier to apply generally and less messy (no run off). I have only used up to 5% before and my hair is thin. I'm wondering since I've lost a lot of ground if I really should start at 12.5% or 30%. With using a pea sized amount of cream are the sides still just as likely (I'd guess sides are dependent on how well it's absorbed)? What's the cost for 12 5%? Given every additive has a proven track record, it seems like a good idea to include each as you'd target hair loss from a lot of angles. I'd guess the ingredients are complimentary and synergistic since they can be combined.

What's your current regime? That way I can help guide you, here's the other thread on price list and how to order.

https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/threads/17446-Dr-Oscar-Klein-hairloss-Ex-patients-who-need-HELP%21?highlight=

Jazz1
01-04-2017, 05:02 PM
Thanks for responding to my questions! I am having a hard time deciding what to use. I stopped Propecia because all my hormone levels are sky high out of range and my doctor told me to stop the medication to see if they return to normal. I am waiting now for the results and its been four weeks since i took the last Propecia 1mg. I have had NO side effects from the drug except for high Testosterone, estrogen, SHBG and for the last year, my doctor thought I had a benign condition of the liver but I recently tested my liver while off Propecia and the tests all came back normal. So now I am thinking Propecia has caused all this. Maybe this is how some people crash after taking the medication for years. They don't know unless they monitor their hormone levels and eventually it all comes crashing down. As of now I want to do something and wanted a topical so I thought maybe the 0.01% topical Finasteride would work. Or maybe mixing Retinoic Acid or Azelaic acid with minoxidil? I also didn't know if I should add progesterone in the topical? I was even thinking of possible micro dosing Propecia. I might respond to it since I think 1mg was a bit much. It just seems like I can't get any advice and don't know who to believe when it comes to hair loss issues. Is it too much to take on a daily basis? Is it dangerous to mix all of those things together? Won't the Retinoic acid eat up your skin and is topical Finasteride with an alcohol base safe and does it work? I read about Hussan and Wong, they are in Canada and they use a lipid base that is not legal in the US.... Thanks for any advice. I know its a lot to take and I have many questions, so I appreciate any information you can give!!


Hey just to add even topical finesteride will absorb into your blood stream, just less side effect compared to oral use. Tretinoin AKA retinoids will not eat your skin away, they just remove a thin layer. The percentage used won't cause long term side effects, I have been using it since Dr Klein days, over 3 years now. The good part about using tretinoin it helps counter the skin thinning side effects from Hydocortisone.

Personally Finetseride is your main bullet to saving hair, as mentioned before finesteride is a DHT inhibitor whilst the rest are Anti Angrogen/Growth.

Jazz1
01-04-2017, 05:06 PM
Being a lot older (30s) I don't consider myself a responder given how much my hair recessed on dutasteride and loss is rather aggressive (losing hair 13+ years). I'm just not sure if I should start on 30% cream with all additives or the 12.5% cream. I'd like to gain ground faster/sooner and the higher percentage seems like if minoxidil will do anything it probably will. K9 mentioned he's older as well and I believe 30% was a game changer for him. I think my situation would be closer to his probably.

I'm considering getting the S5 Cream Plus because of the tempol. It may be an aggressive way to attack this. Also includes alfatradiol and spiro.

Hey do not waste your money on S5 cream unless you have responded to Finetseride or Dutasteride. Please do not fall for these mixtures to be a cure unless you respond to Fiensteride or Dutasteride!

Tell me more what have you used from the start and what's failing to work, as the best option besides Finesteride and Dutasteride are RU58841 or CB-03-01.

Jazz1
01-04-2017, 05:27 PM
Topical is a better option as your correct you by pass most the organs. That does not mean it fails to reach the blood stream!

I had to use topical at the start as i had side effects taking it orally. Now I can use both fine oral or topical. I used 0.025% topically every 3rd to build my tolerance at the beginning until my body built tolerance.

sleeme
01-05-2017, 12:02 AM
Hey just to add even topical finesteride will absorb into your blood stream, just less side effect compared to oral use. Tretinoin AKA retinoids will not eat your skin away, they just remove a thin layer. The percentage used won't cause long term side effects, I have been using it since Dr Klein days, over 3 years now. The good part about using tretinoin it helps counter the skin thinning side effects from Hydocortisone.

Personally Finetseride is your main bullet to saving hair, as mentioned before finesteride is a DHT inhibitor whilst the rest are Anti Angrogen/Growth.

I know Finesteride is the best defense from hair loss but do you think the topical will help work as well? I was told since I am 27 to start with 0.025% topical Finesteride. I have been off Propecia now for 6 weeks with no hair loss yet but I am getting concerned. Do you think I should use any of these products instead or both the minoxidil and topical Finesteride? I also was told to take Propecia in micro doses. HELP! I need advice on what to do or take. Thanks!
Here are the ingredients from the wellness center. I was thinking starting with topical finesteride with no additives or a few of these ingredients like Minoxidil 5%, Azelaic Acid, Tretinoin and maybe the progesterone. I appreciate any help on where to start to keep my hair I have from Propecia using of the last 18 months.

Minoxidil 5% - 30%
Tretinoin (RA) 0.025%
Azelaic Acid 5%
Progesterone 0.25%
Finasteride 0.1%
Hydrocortisone 0.1%
Vitamin E 0.1%
DMI

sleeme
01-05-2017, 12:09 AM
Jazz1,

Hope you don't mind another question but when you were using topical Finasteride was that the only treatment you were using? And did it stop your hair loss? If the topical stops side effects then how can it cause hormone levels to be the same as oral? I also saw a You Tube video they said to start with 0.05% topical Finasterdie.

Jazz1
01-05-2017, 02:41 AM
Hey guys will reply later after work.

sleeme
01-05-2017, 08:31 AM
i can't send or receive messages on my account. Does anyone know why? I sent a message to the webmaster but no response.

sleeme
01-05-2017, 08:44 AM
Where do you buy RU58841 or CB-03-01 and what is SS cream? Where do these products come from and what country? I mean are these products safe to use. I am new to all this hair loss stiff and find it all so confusing. I have read so much I don't know what to believe. I have been to several doctors and each one tells me different. I know Propecia is the best defense but I took it for 18 months and my bloodbwork was so sky high that it concerns me to continue for now. That's why I wanted to know of other good treatments to save what I have from propecia and or maybe consider the topical porpecia that is from a compounding pharmacy. Any advice form you guys. I am getting stressed over all this and rally confused.

funkville
01-05-2017, 08:54 AM
i can't send or receive messages on my account. Does anyone know why? I sent a message to the webmaster but no response.

I'm not sure also. I was trying to pm doke but there is not option other than aol messages which both needs to have

bornthisway
01-07-2017, 05:01 AM
I highly do not suggest 30% unless you have not tried 15%, all depends what you currently use? I combine my 15% mixture with my 5% regaine foam. The price to add all additives remains the same, if you check the previous threads I posted I explained the set prices I done for us forum guys, she also gives 10% discount if you purchase 3 bottles in one go. Also to add only 1ml is required per day, no more! 3 bottles will last 6 months, mine last slightly more as I use 4 squirts to save more money.


I just am on dut. If it's just a pea sized amount at 30% of minox cream, shouldn't the side effect profile be similar to that of 15% cream? I have used up to 5% long ago. The idea of 30% was mostly to target it somewhat aggressively but safely.

bornthisway
01-08-2017, 03:54 PM
Btw guys what's the price of 12.5%? I'm still debating whether I'll start low or high.

Jazz1
01-11-2017, 03:05 PM
Where do you buy RU58841 or CB-03-01 and what is SS cream? Where do these products come from and what country? I mean are these products safe to use. I am new to all this hair loss stiff and find it all so confusing. I have read so much I don't know what to believe. I have been to several doctors and each one tells me different. I know Propecia is the best defense but I took it for 18 months and my bloodbwork was so sky high that it concerns me to continue for now. That's why I wanted to know of other good treatments to save what I have from propecia and or maybe consider the topical porpecia that is from a compounding pharmacy. Any advice form you guys. I am getting stressed over all this and rally confused.

I discovered about these chemicals on hairlosshelp, than joined here and old school users who eventually went downhill on finesteride and DUT are now using these chemicals. I know a user on hairlosshelp that has maintained a full head of hair for over 20 years, now he is using CB-03-01.

Kane is the guy that sells these chemicals, the website is http://anageninc.com/. I have tried RU58841, 100% works but for me finesteride is still working great.

Jazz1
01-11-2017, 03:09 PM
I just am on dut. If it's just a pea sized amount at 30% of minox cream, shouldn't the side effect profile be similar to that of 15% cream? I have used up to 5% long ago. The idea of 30% was mostly to target it somewhat aggressively but safely.
Than in that case I would only suggest using 30% in weak areas tiny amount, rotate it with 5%. I use the 15% only on my weak areas and it works a treat especially with derma rolling every other day. Although carefull not to use 15% after derma rolling as the absorption gave me a very bad headache! On the plus side my forehead is like a werewolf as derm rolling 100% works when combined with treatments.

Jazz1
01-11-2017, 03:12 PM
Btw guys what's the price of 12.5%? I'm still debating whether I'll start low or high.

I have posted everything here, don't forget to take advantage of the 10% discount I done for us forum guys, if you purchase 6 months supply in one go. Personally I would go with 12.5% or 15% if you have never used either one, as 30% is too extreme if you have never used 15%!

https://www.baldtruthtalk.com/threads/17446-Dr-Oscar-Klein-hairloss-Ex-patients-who-need-HELP%21?highlight=