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SpeedTheCrowsNest
04-02-2013, 10:48 AM
Hi all.

I started taking Fin 5mg cut into 4 so 1.25 a day in November so it has been 5 months now since I started. I have read various posts about increased shedding etc etc but the reason I post it because nothing is changing at all - I am losing hair at exactly the same rate as before I started taking fin.

I was losing quite a lot of hair before I started in November - I have quite long hair and I only just started to notice it in about August - although I am pretty sure now on reflection I had been losing it for years...but once I started taking fin nothing changed - I lose the same amount of hairs a day as before...why is nothing changing? Hair loss has neither stopped nor increased...but as a result my hair is getting a lot thinner each day.

Is it possible for the meds to just not work at all on some people? What other options do I have?

Thanks folks.

drybone
04-02-2013, 10:58 AM
Hi. Thanks for this post.

I have been on it 2 months and have seen no change whatsoever. Most of the guys tell me I have to wait a year.

Apparently what happens is it blocks 70% of the DHT that causes damage to the follicles.

I think some of the damaged follicles go into shock as they are now receiving a rich supply of blood and are no longer being attacked by DHT and they throw the hair out and go to sleep for 3 months. I think this is why some guys density gets WORSE in the beginning.

Mine did a little. I noticed more shedding at about 2 weeks then its stopped cold.

However, as we know, we have to wait months for new hairs to grow in and other hairs are falling out and going to sleep so I wouldnt be too worried about it.

Wait 7 more months and if you see no change at all, then its stopped your hair loss, if your hair loss is a years worth worse, then try DUT or RU or various other inhibitors.

Hope this helps :)

SpeedTheCrowsNest
04-02-2013, 11:35 AM
Thanks for the reply. I understand all you've said I suppose my only concern was that the hair loss rate hasn't changed at all it is almost as if nothing is happening. I expected to lose all the thinner hairs as they get pushed out on a new cycle but I also lose thicker hairs.

I would have expected to at least have stopped losing hair (or less of it) by 5 months but maybe not?

MackJames
04-02-2013, 03:06 PM
I had to take it for over six months to see any effect. It might take another of couple of hair cycles to see results. Five months is to short of a duration to assess the effectiveness of finasteride. I guess the normal protocol is to give it a year and if you haven't noticed any changes discontinue use.

Buster
04-02-2013, 07:42 PM
I've been of Fin for over a year now and my hair is worse than it was before I started taking it. I'm hoping that I'm a late responder.

SpeedTheCrowsNest
04-30-2013, 12:53 AM
When have people that it worked for notice hair fall stopping?

Since I last posted mine has continued to worsen.

Aames
04-30-2013, 03:52 AM
When have people that it worked for notice hair fall stopping?

Since I last posted mine has continued to worsen.

Some notice that their shed lasts for months. I would evaluate in a year and see where you're at. If it has gotten worse, consider duta.

Pentarou
04-30-2013, 08:26 AM
I've red of guys getting visible results at 3 months, I've also read of guys need 18 to 24 months or even slightly later before they notice anything positive. Sometimes they've required minox to even get anywhere with fin. It takes time, unfortunately, and the worst aspect is the uncertainly of how much time you will need.

PatientlyWaiting
04-30-2013, 11:24 AM
I'm not sure if fin should take that long to slow down or stop your hair loss. For me, every time I take fin, it slows down my hair loss pretty noticeably just one month in. At about 1 month my hair loss completely stops. At about 8 months I start seeing noticeable thickening. The "Wait to see what it does in 12 months" is to see if any thickening or regrowth happens, not to see if in 12 months finasteride slows down your hair loss or stops it, that sounds crazy.

With Dutasteride everything happened faster, my hair loss skipped slowing down and just stopped 1 week into taking dut. 1 month in, my crown filled in slightly. I'm also using fin so maybe that contributed to dut's success for me.

I'm not trying to be negative or give you bad news, I just don't think that fin should take this long to start at least slowing down your hair loss rate. I could be wrong. I think in the fin clinical studies there was a small percentage that finasteride had no effect on, you could be part of that group, I could be wrong on that too though.

RobDerbyshire
04-30-2013, 12:28 PM
Need to give a little but more information, firstly if you don't mind me asking how old are you? and what time of hair loss are you experiencing?

Also do you suffer from the DHT itch?

I have been taking Finn now for 4 months started mid January, my hair loss is at the temples so far i have noticed no loss at the crown to my knowledge anyway. I personally don't loss a massive amount of hairs each day, i just loose it where i experience what i believe is refereed to as the DHT itch which occurs at the point the hair loss is occurring. I take 1mg a day in the morning at around 8am and 4 months in I'm still getting the itch and loosing hair from my front temple area of my head.

WarLord
04-30-2013, 12:58 PM
I've been of Fin for over a year now and my hair is worse than it was before I started taking it. I'm hoping that I'm a late responder.

I suppose you haven't done any blood tests. You are like a blind man walking without a stick.

Shan
04-30-2013, 02:33 PM
Everyone responds differently and should give at least a year yo assess the results

SpeedTheCrowsNest
05-03-2013, 02:44 PM
Need to give a little but more information, firstly if you don't mind me asking how old are you? and what time of hair loss are you experiencing?

Also do you suffer from the DHT itch?

I have been taking Finn now for 4 months started mid January, my hair loss is at the temples so far i have noticed no loss at the crown to my knowledge anyway. I personally don't loss a massive amount of hairs each day, i just loose it where i experience what i believe is refereed to as the DHT itch which occurs at the point the hair loss is occurring. I take 1mg a day in the morning at around 8am and 4 months in I'm still getting the itch and loosing hair from my front temple area of my head.

I am 25.

Yes very much so - and my scalp is very dry.

I am taking generic fin 5mg cut into quarters.

Hair loss noticeable mainly at the hairline and crown.

I am thinking it just isn't working for me as I still wake up with quite a few hairs on my pillow and a lot fall out when I wash my hair.

Is it too early to switch away?

I get all this wait one year stuff but the point is my hair loss hasn't stopped or slowed down at all.

SpeedTheCrowsNest
05-03-2013, 02:46 PM
I'm not sure if fin should take that long to slow down or stop your hair loss. For me, every time I take fin, it slows down my hair loss pretty noticeably just one month in. At about 1 month my hair loss completely stops. At about 8 months I start seeing noticeable thickening. The "Wait to see what it does in 12 months" is to see if any thickening or regrowth happens, not to see if in 12 months finasteride slows down your hair loss or stops it, that sounds crazy.

With Dutasteride everything happened faster, my hair loss skipped slowing down and just stopped 1 week into taking dut. 1 month in, my crown filled in slightly. I'm also using fin so maybe that contributed to dut's success for me.

I'm not trying to be negative or give you bad news, I just don't think that fin should take this long to start at least slowing down your hair loss rate. I could be wrong. I think in the fin clinical studies there was a small percentage that finasteride had no effect on, you could be part of that group, I could be wrong on that too though.

What would you suggest then?

What has worked for you?

Soxfaninfl
05-03-2013, 06:01 PM
I've been of Fin for over a year now and my hair is worse than it was before I started taking it. I'm hoping that I'm a late responder.

If your at the year mark and it hasn't worked for you then you need to get on DUT as soon as possible. The longer you wait to get on it the more hair your going to lose.

PatientlyWaiting
05-03-2013, 07:45 PM
What would you suggest then?

What has worked for you?

The first time I took finasteride was the Propecia brand. It worked for me immediately, in weeks it slowed down my hair loss rate, and in 1 month it stopped it completely. I went on and off Propecia from 18-21 due t financial issues, and every single time I went off it, the hair shed came back, and it would once again and again take just 1 month to stop the hair loss every time. So that worked for me. Right now i'm on Dr Reddy's 5mg cut in to 1/4ths and I got the same exact reaction, hair loss slowed down in weeks, stopped in a month. After 3 years however, my hair loss started again, but not as bad as pre-fin, just a bit of hairs on the shower, like 10-15 per shower. Then I added dutasteride once a day at 0.5mg and it stopped it, but that's a different story.

I suggest you just keep reading on the hair loss forums. Maybe the guys in this thread are correct and you have to give fin 12 months to see what it would do for you. But personally I was always under the impression that the 12 months were to see if you are gong to get any thickening and regrowth. Personally, I don't think it should take more than the first 3 months for fin to at least slow down the rate of your hair loss, but that's only because that's what has always happened to me.

WarLord
05-04-2013, 03:16 AM
I suggest you just keep reading on the hair loss forums. Maybe the guys in this thread are correct and you have to give fin 12 months to see what it would do for you. But personally I was always under the impression that the 12 months were to see if you are gong to get any thickening and regrowth. Personally, I don't think it should take more than the first 3 months for fin to at least slow down the rate of your hair loss, but that's only because that's what has always happened to me.

This is also something that I always wondered. If an anti-hairloss treatment works, it should work within 2-3 months (the length of the telogen phase). This always happened in me with topicals, but I have no idea, how it is in 5-AR blockers. Apparently, they can regrow hair very quickly, within 6 weeks, so they should work very quickly as well. However, my experience tells me that these drugs can take you on a wild ride full of incessant sheds. I started to take fin in late June 2012 and currently, after 10+ months, I am also in a worse state than at the beginning, because hair in my temples detoriorated. This is a shocking result, considering that I started from a stable state, after 15,5 years on minoxidil.

In any case, I wouldn't recommend to waste time on fin for 1+ year. That guy should have added dut a long time ago.

SpeedTheCrowsNest
05-04-2013, 04:09 PM
So considering it is like what 6 months for me is there any harm in converting to Dut already (or adding it?)

Also what is the best place to buy it?

And if I started to add Rogaine to the mix (because my worst loss is at the front/hairline) would it be too early to do so?

WarLord
05-05-2013, 09:42 AM
So considering it is like what 6 months for me is there any harm in converting to Dut already (or adding it?)

Also what is the best place to buy it?

And if I started to add Rogaine to the mix (because my worst loss is at the front/hairline) would it be too early to do so?

Why to wait with the addition of dutasteride? You can start with 1-2 capsules a week. This could make a substantial difference. And if you see that it works, you can add another capsules and then drop fin completely.

But first of all - I repeat it over and over again: Measure your DHT and testosterone levels! Otherwise you won't know, what is happening in your body.

Start minoxidil, only if you were not satisfied with the results. It is a life-long commitment that needs everyday's discipline. Not many men are endowed with it.

SpeedTheCrowsNest
05-05-2013, 10:33 AM
Why to wait with the addition of dutasteride? You can start with 1-2 capsules a week. This could make a substantial difference. And if you see that it works, you can add another capsules and then drop fin completely.

But first of all - I repeat it over and over again: Measure your DHT and testosterone levels! Otherwise you won't know, what is happening in your body.

Start minoxidil, only if you were not satisfied with the results. It is a life-long commitment that needs everyday's discipline. Not many men are endowed with it.

Have been thinking I need to sort the test out for a while, can my standard GP do it or do I have to go elsewhere?

PatientlyWaiting
05-05-2013, 11:45 AM
This is also something that I always wondered. If an anti-hairloss treatment works, it should work within 2-3 months (the length of the telogen phase). This always happened in me with topicals, but I have no idea, how it is in 5-AR blockers. Apparently, they can regrow hair very quickly, within 6 weeks, so they should work very quickly as well. However, my experience tells me that these drugs can take you on a wild ride full of incessant sheds. I started to take fin in late June 2012 and currently, after 10+ months, I am also in a worse state than at the beginning, because hair in my temples detoriorated. This is a shocking result, considering that I started from a stable state, after 15,5 years on minoxidil.

In any case, I wouldn't recommend to waste time on fin for 1+ year. That guy should have added dut a long time ago.

Yeah, I never heard of that. I don't think it's such a good idea to wait 12 months to see if Fin is going to slow down your hair loss.

At 8-12 months i'm expecting more like noticeable thickening of current hair or new hair growth.

I suggest to get on dutasteride. If you are afraid of sides, just use 2x a week like Warlord suggested.

SpeedTheCrowsNest
05-05-2013, 02:22 PM
Yeah, I never heard of that. I don't think it's such a good idea to wait 12 months to see if Fin is going to slow down your hair loss.

At 8-12 months i'm expecting more like noticeable thickening of current hair or new hair growth.

I suggest to get on dutasteride. If you are afraid of sides, just use 2x a week like Warlord suggested.

To be honest I am having no sides from fin now, I did for a while but none at all for a few months now...

Where's the best place to source dut from online?

Thanks for your advice.

secrethero89
05-10-2013, 01:45 AM
To be honest I am having no sides from fin now, I did for a while but none at all for a few months now...

Where's the best place to source dut from online?

Thanks for your advice.

we are in the same boat. everybody say that "stick with it" but i can't bear seeing my thinning hair on the mirror. it sucks!

I dont believe any treatment anymore.

WarLord
05-10-2013, 04:40 AM
we are in the same boat. everybody say that "stick with it" but i can't bear seeing my thinning hair on the mirror. it sucks!

I dont believe any treatment anymore.

It is too premature to give it up. If fin doesn't work (and I always warn others that this probability in young men is substantially higher than as often advertised), you can try topical RU+minox or dutasteride.

SpeedTheCrowsNest
09-29-2013, 04:22 AM
I thought i'd give it a few more months. However, I am still losing the same amount of hairs on fin as I was before I started taking it. Adding minoxidil has made very little difference too, I just have some small hairs growing on the hairline but in 3 months these haven't developed from that stage.

I still kind of have a full head of hair (the hairline is not in good shape) but it is just a lot thinner at the front/at the centre of my scalp. It isn't a usual pattern of hairloss.

I am not sure whether to add dut or not. I am only 25. I don't want to make things worse than they are.

If I do add it, where should I buy it?

WarLord
09-29-2013, 04:18 PM
I thought i'd give it a few more months. However, I am still losing the same amount of hairs on fin as I was before I started taking it. Adding minoxidil has made very little difference too, I just have some small hairs growing on the hairline but in 3 months these haven't developed from that stage.

I still kind of have a full head of hair (the hairline is not in good shape) but it is just a lot thinner at the front/at the centre of my scalp. It isn't a usual pattern of hairloss.

I am not sure whether to add dut or not. I am only 25. I don't want to make things worse than they are.

If I do add it, where should I buy it?


I can tell you that finasteride didn't work in me at all. My DHT levels were low, but still within the range of adult men (around 30 ng/dl). And eventually, I was losing hair on finasteride+6% minoxidil+Nizoral. I thought I was done. But the mere addition of dutasteride changed everything dramatically. My DHT started to fall down very quickly. At 7 ng/dl, the trend reversed and I started to see vellus hairs in temples.

I wouldn't recommend finasteride to anyone. Well, it was a breakthrough at its time, but today, the use of finasteride has no rational basis. It is a very unreliable drug with a very wide range of efficiacy. In some men, its effect is pathetic. In contrast, dutasteride works more or less with the same efficiacy in virtually all men.

Dan26
09-29-2013, 07:25 PM
^^^importance of dual inhibiton type1 and type2 5a

still is best to start with fin it is enough for some

Sanchez123
12-05-2016, 03:12 PM
I thought i'd give it a few more months. However, I am still losing the same amount of hairs on fin as I was before I started taking it. Adding minoxidil has made very little difference too, I just have some small hairs growing on the hairline but in 3 months these haven't developed from that stage.

I still kind of have a full head of hair (the hairline is not in good shape) but it is just a lot thinner at the front/at the centre of my scalp. It isn't a usual pattern of hairloss.

I am not sure whether to add dut or not. I am only 25. I don't want to make things worse than they are.

If I do add it, where should I buy it?

How is your situation now??

Sanchez123
12-05-2016, 03:14 PM
I thought i'd give it a few more months. However, I am still losing the same amount of hairs on fin as I was before I started taking it. Adding minoxidil has made very little difference too, I just have some small hairs growing on the hairline but in 3 months these haven't developed from that stage.

I still kind of have a full head of hair (the hairline is not in good shape) but it is just a lot thinner at the front/at the centre of my scalp. It isn't a usual pattern of hairloss.

I am not sure whether to add dut or not. I am only 25. I don't want to make things worse than they are.

If I do add it, where should I buy it?

How is your situation now??