I think I may have this .. propecia

[mcw]

"Hypoandrogenicity
This is a still relatively unknown phenomena but a small percentage of men seem to react negatively to the effects of the Propecia. In some men this can lead to an oily skin and an increase in hair loss. This is not normal and if you have experienced these effects from the beginning and they do not resolve themselves after a few weeks you should see a physician. Some men play it safe and start with a lower dosage like a half a tablet a day until their body adjusts to the Propecia. This approach should be discussed with the physician who prescribed the Propecia."

"If you experienced an increased amount of hair loss almost immediately after taking Propecia it is likely that you are experiencing a hypoandrogenic effect and not a shed. If this is that case then you should see a physician about possibly discontinuing the drug."

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since taking propecia for 6 months, i have noticed sheds everyday, in addition i have also noticed an oiler forhead. what should it do?

[gutted]

"Hypoandrogenicity
This is a still relatively unknown phenomena but a small percentage of men seem to react negatively to the effects of the Propecia. In some men this can lead to an oily skin and an increase in hair loss. This is not normal and if you have experienced these effects from the beginning and they do not resolve themselves after a few weeks you should see a physician. Some men play it safe and start with a lower dosage like a half a tablet a day until their body adjusts to the Propecia. This approach should be discussed with the physician who prescribed the Propecia."

"If you experienced an increased amount of hair loss almost immediately after taking Propecia it is likely that you are experiencing a hypoandrogenic effect and not a shed. If this is that case then you should see a physician about possibly discontinuing the drug."

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since taking propecia for 6 months, i have noticed sheds everyday, in addition i have also noticed an oiler forhead. what should it do?

id advise you to slowly get off the drug, you could be speeding up your baldness more.

Alternativeley stick with it, by month 12 this reflex hyperandrogenicity could subside.

[2020]

yeah I'm starting to think this phenomenon is more common than people think... how else would you explain people who lost hair despite being on propecia(minus aggressive balders)?

[gutted]

yeah I'm starting to think this phenomenon is more common than people think... how else would you explain people who lost hair despite being on propecia(minus aggressive balders)?

it is common, it happens in most people who take the drug either 3/6 months (for those who are unlucky) after starting or over a 10 year period.

the people who have sides are those in which this reflex hyperandorgencity has not taken place for reasons unknown.

[ccmethinning]

This reflex hyperandrogenicity has me really worried. I have a propecia prescription in hand but haven't got around to filling it yet. I've never been scared of sexual sides (my balls could fall off for all I care, as long as I maintain my hair) but the thought of maybe speeding up hairloss irreversibly is terrifying to me.

I really would like to hear more people's theories on this.

[mcw]

so say i do have hyperandrogeny? would the hair that i have "shed" over the past 6 months grow back? and if i decide to slowly get off the medication, how to you define slowly? also i am so reluctant to do so b.\.c every month i tell myself that the shedding will eventually stop and that it is an indication that medication is working. however i am starting to have my doubts since it has been 6 months and am constantly losing hair

[gutted]

This reflex hyperandrogenicity has me really worried. I have a propecia prescription in hand but haven't got around to filling it yet. I've never been scared of sexual sides (my balls could fall off for all I care, as long as I maintain my hair) but the thought of maybe speeding up hairloss irreversibly is terrifying to me.

I really would like to hear more people's theories on this.

i advise against finasteride but the best thing anyone should do when starting finastride is start off with the lowest dose possible, despite what the clinical studies say. If people would do this its possible any sort of side effects would not occur.

The sides occur in individuals because of the recommended dose and frequency by merck (and possibly through other unknown mechanisms)

[25 going on 65]

I take it this is an alternative way of saying "hyperandrogenism."
It's not a documented side effect of finasteride that I've ever heard, and I don't see this reflex phenomenon mentioned anywhere except by laymen on hair loss forums.
It is normal to go through initial and cyclical sheds while on finasteride--to a less heavy extent it's also normal for people who don't use fin, including non-MPB sufferers. And a lot of things can contribute to an oily forehead, even the soap you use.

My advice is not to self-diagnose or self-treat (which in this case would be giving up finasteride and therefore your hair). See an MD if you think something is wrong, and if you feel you should quit fin at that point, you'll at least know you're doing it with a doctor's info and advice.

[gutted]

so say i do have hyperandrogeny? would the hair that i have "shed" over the past 6 months grow back? and if i decide to slowly get off the medication, how to you define slowly? also i am so reluctant to do so b.\.c every month i tell myself that the shedding will eventually stop and that it is an indication that medication is working. however i am starting to have my doubts since it has been 6 months and am constantly losing hair

it depends on how badly damaged the hair was, if it was in the last cycle its likeley it wont grow back.

i mean either reducing the frequency in which you take the drug OR the amount you take OR a combination of both.

when you lose hair, do you notice increased scalp oil and itch? this symptom could be masked if you are using nizoral.

[nick9278]

it depends on how badly damaged the hair was, if it was in the last cycle its likeley it wont grow back.

i mean either reducing the frequency in which you take the drug OR the amount you take OR a combination of both.

when you lose hair, do you notice increased scalp oil and itch? this symptom could be masked if you are using nizoral.

I always come across your posts about oily and itchy scalp.... do you have any literature beyond referring to the symptoms of reflex androgenicity that supports the correlation you're making? Seems like a good way to freak people out, when oily and itchy scalp could be perfectly normal for a hair loss sufferer. There are so many factors with these kind of things.

[gutted]

I always come across your posts about oily and itchy scalp.... do you have any literature beyond referring to the symptoms of reflex androgenicity that supports the correlation you're making? Seems like a good way to freak people out, when oily and itchy scalp could be perfectly normal for a hair loss sufferer. There are so many factors with these kind of things.

lool no, no sort of literature just experience.

I want to know for every people i ask who encounters these symptoms and how many of them notice these "symptoms" hence why i ask them as in my opinon its a key indication of whether you are balding or just natrual hair cycling shedding.

yes i agree there are many factors with these things - there is normal minor itching present on all scalps but then theres the itching with increased sebum output, it signals increased 5alpha reducatse/adnrogen activity.

You need to be able to differntiate between the two types if itching.

[nick9278]

lool no, no sort of literature just experience.

I want to know for every people i ask who encounters these symptoms and how many of them notice these "symptoms" hence why i ask them as in my opinon its a key indication of whether you are balding or just natrual hair cycling shedding.

yes i agree there are many factors with these things - there is normal minor itching present on all scalps but then theres the itching with increased sebum output, it signals increased 5alpha reducatse/adnrogen activity.

You need to be able to differntiate between the two types if itching.

Well I definitely think there is a link between oily/itchy scalp and MPB, but I thought we were speaking strictly of the connection with Reflex An... people might misdiagnose themselves too quickly.

I'm all too familiar with the oily/itchy scalp. The introduction of hair loss was accompanied by oily hair, oily skin--> acne, and the itch. Rough few months lol, but its been handled for the most part with a medicated facial cleanser, tretinoin, and the big 3.

The MPB itch is definitely different from any other normal itch... it has a specific tingling to it if you ask me.

[gutted]

Well I definitely think there is a link between oily/itchy scalp and MPB, but I thought we were speaking strictly of the connection with Reflex An... people might misdiagnose themselves too quickly.

I'm all too familiar with the oily/itchy scalp. The introduction of hair loss was accompanied by oily hair, oily skin--> acne, and the itch. Rough few months lol, but its been handled for the most part with a medicated facial cleanser, tretinoin, and the big 3.

The MPB itch is definitely different from any other normal itch... it has a specific tingling to it if you ask me.

Reflex hyperandrogenicty and/or high androgen levels result in the same thing - an oily/itchy scalp <- this alone can tell you if you are combatting mpb with whatver supplement/pill you are taking or if its getting worser.

If you use those facial cleansers/shampoos etc they are only masking those symptoms hence, making it difficult for you to know if what your taking internally is actually balancing/lowering your androgen levels or increasing them (via reflex hyperandrogenecity)

I dont mean to freak anyone out - but from experience ive always assoicated an itchy/oily scalp with advancing damage to hairs.