2000 Grafts Plus 400 Free Grafts With Dr. Feller. NY.

[Folly]

Sorry to hear about your bad result with FUE man. Which doctor did you go to? Have you had any kind of explanation as to why it didn't work??

Don't want to mention his name yet, until the 12 month mark passes. My transplanted hairs grew from months 3-9 and fell out. My HT surgeon pulled some out with tweezers himself when i saw him, as they were just 'loose' on my hairline. I was shedding really badly for 9 months after the surgery for some reason. He said it was telogen effluvium and that's why the grafts were falling out. He did the 'pluck' test and pulled out something like 15-20 hairs, can't remember. Turns out, it was just aggressive MPB. Must have been triggered by the surgery. I've never had massive shedding before, as i've had hairs miniaturizing on my hairline since i was 17, but at a snails pace. Went to a derm after surgery and found out that 60% of the hairs on the top of my head have been shedding for the past 9 months, which is A LOT of hair loss for 9 months. My whole house was covered in hair. LOL. Shedding has stopped the past 6 weeks and i'm on propecia now too.

Anyway, my HT surgeon was wrong about the transplanted hairs falling out because i was going through telogen effluvium. The transplanted hairs were growing and falling out because the follicles underneath were damaged, obviously by the FUE extraction or placement process. This happened to about 80-85% of my grafts. Didn't even need a HT last year and all i got from it was 9 months of intense shedding after the HT, causing me to lose sh#t loads of native hair.

Live and learn eh !!

[spreadlocks]

Don't want to mention his name yet, until the 12 month mark passes. My transplanted hairs grew from months 3-9 and fell out. My HT surgeon pulled some out with tweezers himself when i saw him, as they were just 'loose' on my hairline. I was shedding really badly for 9 months after the surgery for some reason. He said it was telogen effluvium and that's why the grafts were falling out. He did the 'pluck' test and pulled out something like 15-20 hairs, can't remember. Turns out, it was just aggressive MPB. Must have been triggered by the surgery. I've never had massive shedding before, as i've had hairs miniaturizing on my hairline since i was 17, but at a snails pace. Went to a derm after surgery and found out that 60% of the hairs on the top of my head have been shedding for the past 9 months, which is A LOT of hair loss for 9 months. My whole house was covered in hair. LOL. Shedding has stopped the past 6 weeks and i'm on propecia now too.

Anyway, my HT surgeon was wrong about the transplanted hairs falling out because i was going through telogen effluvium. The transplanted hairs were growing and falling out because the follicles underneath were damaged, obviously by the FUE extraction or placement process. This happened to about 80-85% of my grafts. Didn't even need a HT last year and all i got from it was 9 months of intense shedding after the HT, causing me to lose sh#t loads of native hair.

Live and learn eh !!

Damn. I am so sorry to hear this man. I really feel for you.

It's also scary to hear about the agressive MB possibly being triggered by the HT. I really hope you can get this sorted out man. I'll keep in touch with you too about how my growth is coming on. Also if you have any questions at all about the procedure with DR Feller just hit me up.

[spreadlocks]

12 Days post op. Staples out tomorrow : )

Edit. Don't know why but when I uploaded the pics they are like 1/3 of the original size.

[Folly]

Looks like you have healed incredibly well and you seem to have NO redness in the recipient area. Mine lingered for about 5 months. You lucky sod !!

Did any grafts come off with your scabs ? Your central hairline area look very dense. Should look great when it grows in. Did Dr. Feller mention what desnity FU/cm^2 he was aiming for at the hairline ?

[spreadlocks]

Ah. Thanks very much man. I think I am a fairly efficient healer. I have loads of tattoos and they have always healed fairly quickly.

I have definitely lost some hairs but not noticed any grafts with the scabs. Just sometimes when I rub my hair with my hand I'll find a tiny wispy hair on my hand or sometimes I'll see one of the tiny wispy hairs on my laptop after I have been using it.

Rather than discuss a number per cm2 I showed him pictures of one of his results that I really liked the density of, and asked if we could work at that density? He told me that he always woks at that density so we would be.

This was the result I showed him by the way.

[Folly]

That density is perfect. I've been noticing how fine hairs give so much more of a natural appearance. Do you fine hair ?

So did Dr.Feller say that this sort of density would be achieved from this single surgery, or will it be from another 'touch up' surgery ?

[spreadlocks]

Nah. I have pretty thick hairs. I think anyway.

Yeah. The doc said he always works at that density in the hairline and that he would be with me. He said that if I needed another surgery it would be if I started to lose hair further back in my head (As in the crown etc. )not to increase density at the front. I specifically said that the density in the hairline was my number one priority and he told me that we would be working at this high density in the front with the 2000 grafts. As mentioned, he later told me that he was able to give me a further 400 grafts for free but these were used to go back into my forelock (which we were originally not going to work on) as he had already worked at high density around the hairline.

[Folly]

Nice one mate. Fingers crossed you'll have great growth and you won't have to think about your hair for many many years.That's all i want from surgery anyway.

[Spex]

Thanks for the update

[spreadlocks]

1 Month update. Shedding now guys.

[Folly]

Thanks for the update mate. It's tough when your transplanted hairs initially shed, because you always have a bit of hope that the grafts will stay put.

Your scar looks good. Did you experience any shock loss? Dr. Feller went into quite a lot of native hair. I just read on another post and never actually realised that shock loss is actually speeding up your MPB. If you lose terminal hairs to shock loss after surgery, they come back thinner if you have MPB.....which is a terrible as you've probably fast forwarded your MPB by a few years !!

[spreadlocks]

Cheers man. You are bang on. There is that tiny glimmer of hope that you will avoid the sleep period and just grow through. Haha. Nah. I prepared myself for the shed and to be honest now, it ain’t bothering me that much. Even if I get to where I was pre HT by like 3 months then that gives me enough breathing space to give the new grafts time to grow and mature.
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Really not sure on Shock loss man. It’s hard to say as I was wearing my hair long. If the hair that is in my recipient area now is all native hair then I probably haven’t had much, if any shock loss as it is probs similar to how it was before. If however, some of those hairs are still new grafts that will shed over the coming month, then that will leave my recipient area less dense and will probably mean I had some shock loss. It will be hard to say for another month or so. Actually, on closer inspection there probably is some further back in my recipient area. Not at the very front though yet. Do you know at what timescale shock loss usually occurs? Is it within the first month or later? Fingers crossed, I have managed to skip and severe shock loss.
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As for the donor, again, I am not so sure. I have fairly thick hair which is a few of centimetres long around the side so it’s hard to tell. It certainly doesn’t seem like there is any severe shockloss. I got my girlfriend to take the scar picture and she said that she was struggling to find it (Which is great news as it’s only 1 month out). I saw a guy on another forum who had strip with Feller 6 months ago. He had his hair shaved down to like a 1 guard and his scar was hardly visible. I’ll be ecstatic if mine ends up like that as I’ll be able to shave down to a 2 guard on the sides which is how I like to wear my hair.
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As for the speeding up the MPB thing, I have just tried to stop looking at anything negative online now. The first 2 weeks post op I would read disaster stories n stuff then start getting worried. Then I realised, the op is done, there is nothing I can do about it now and worrying ain’t gonna help hair grow. I have been trying to think about it as little as possible. I understand that you had a less than stellar result from your FUE though man so you need to be considering everything. How has that been by the way? Any progress at all?

[Folly]

Hey dude,

Do you know at what timescale shock loss usually occurs? Is it within the first month or later? Fingers crossed, I have managed to skip and severe shock loss.

I believe it usually happens within 2-3 weeks, but may also occur within a couple of months post-op.

I understand that you had a less than stellar result from your FUE though man so you need to be considering everything. How has that been by the way? Any progress at all?

Nah, still no growth. I've accepted that FUE surgery i had last year has been a complete failure. It was just strange how my grafts re-grew (after the initial shed) and then fell out again. Dr. Cole is helping me work out why this happened in another thread, which is kool because he's like the FUE jesus.

Only positive is i've stopped shedding for the past 2.5 months. I've been on propecia for 2.5 months too and not had an initial shed. Hopefully if i make it to 3 months, i don't think i'll have an initial shed. Fingers crossed propecia will help me maintain what i have for a few years.

I remeber you saying you were on propecia too. Has it stoped you losing hair ? Did it stop/slow down your receeding hairline ? Any sides? I thought i've been having a reduced libido lately, but i think it's all in my head.

Cheers.

[spreadlocks]

Man. I am so sorry to hear about the FUE but glad to hear your shedding has stopped with the propecia.

I started propecia about 3 years ago and honestly do not think I have lost any hair whatsoever since being on it. I have pics of how I looked then and it was the same as when I went in for my HT. No hair loss at all for about 3 years. It's why I have never bothered with Minoxidil or Nizoral. Because the finestride has been amazing for me. I also did not have any initial shed with propecia.

Also I have not had any sides at all from it. No loss of libido or issue with erections. In fact, at almost 33 years old I am probably hornier than I have ever been. Haha. I still wake up with morning wood virtually every day.
There has been twice though when I have had a drop in Libido and immediately I thought "Is it the finestride" but it has merely been times of stress or worry and everything has went back to normal within a couple of weeks. Once was when I was going to lose my job and the other was the week before my surgery when I was nervous. I am pretty sure it is normal not to feel particularly horney during times like that anyway and in hindsight it wasn't anything to do with the finestride.

Of course though, some people do have issues with it so keep an eye.

[Folly]

Glad to hear you've done well with Propecia. I feel like i've had a significant drop in libido since propecia, but like you i've also gone through patches in the past where i'm not horny, purely due to anxiety/stress. I think it's all in my head. Regardless, i'd rather keep my hair and be less horny, if it is in fact the propecia.

Good luck with the growth.