Surgeons responses to gho's procedure

[Delphi]

You really think Gho is a scammer? He's located in Europe, not in the US where u can get away with scamming people. Sometimes I really want to see whats going on in peoples heads like urs. It's really hard to understand for me how you can think Gho is scamming.
And since his procedure is still expensive, most of his clients are wealthy. They'd sue him to death if he was a scammer. And no, there are no fine-prints because he GUARANTES at least 80% regeneration or so..

You are very naive if you believe Europe somehow better controls cosmetic medical procedures and bogus marketers then the U.S. There is even less recourse in Europe, especially in the hair business.

[krewel]

You are very naive if you believe Europe somehow better controls cosmetic medical procedures and bogus marketers then the U.S. There is even less recourse in Europe, especially in the hair business.

It's not about medical controls, it's about the law-system.

[Follicle Death Row]

You guys are so ridiculous. Gho has been pulling this crap for years and there are still idiots who buy into it. He is not a good hair transplant surgeon from what I can tell so going to him is just plain stupid. If these doctors were really so greedy they would say SURE we can do the same thing as Gho, come on in. Wake up, these hair transplant doctors would love to be able to offer what Gho claims he does but it doesn't exist, it just a marketing gimmick!

I just don't know at this point. Feriduni retracted his claims, HSI won their court case and is beginning to do some big cases now (i.e. remain skeptical if Saunders only gets 3 procedures). That said I wouldn't get into the chair until I'm convinced they're regenerating the donor and I see guys with 10,000 grafts or more. If it pans out the same way that the whole Dr. Woods and FUE scenario did then great I'll consider it but if it goes the way of DHI I'll be steering clear needless to say. We should probably take it down a notch debating this one as we're going around in circles without any substantial evidence, big cases or input from docs. I'm still on the fence. Although it's tough to accept, only time will tell.

[DepressedByHairLoss]

That Kabaker guy sounds like a real asshole, no wonder he's not on the IAHRS-recommended list. It's so painfully obvious to me why he made the comments that he did. Instead of people waiting for superior hair loss treatments (which could happen very soon), he wants people to rush out and get the traditional hair transplant, preferably from him. Even Dr. Konior's comments seem to be a disingenuous to me. He says that he does not perform any medical procedure that hasn't been subjected to rigorous scientific scrutiny, yet wasn't he performing the old pluggy doll-like hair transplants in the '90's (and so were a lot of these other doctors too). Not only did those old transplants not make the grade in terms of medical scrutiny, but more obviously, they just completely looked like shit. Everyone knew that they did, yet a lot of these doctors continued to do these old school transplants, knowing that they were a very ineffective treatment. I'm skeptical of Gho just like everyone else, but at least he's willing to try and explore something that could be much more effective. Most of these doctors aren't even willing to do that, and still ONLY focus on the traditional hair transplant. Some one on here posted that it is all about the money, and I totally agree with that. These hair transplants generate big bucks, no matter how effective or ineffective they really are. There are exceptions though. Dr. Ziering is involved in the HSC Complex (which I am very excited about), Dr. Charles seems like a very decent person, and Dr. Greco is experimenting with extracellular growth factors. Splitting Hairs, I totally commend what you're doing though with e-mailing these doctors. When I started losing my hair, I did something similar. I contacted all of these scientists who were supposedly making attempts towards hair regrowth, asking them if there was anything they could do to stimulate human hair regrowth. I e-mailed over 100 of them, but none of them could help me out.

[RichardDawkins]

@kiwi: Good for you that you consider Gho but actually thats not the thing to debate here. Because here we have a very crystal example on how surgeons can manipulate and lure people into a mill of sessions with a SCAR. Hell one of those guys even has scalp reductions on his website and talks about them as if they are NORMAL which is a scandal in itself

@Delphi: Yeah right, you know what in the EU do you know what happens if you come up with a medical scam? You get busted this happened to some hair clinics btw and it happened even to BIG pharmaceutical companies who got sued and went almost bancrupt because there was one small component in their pills with serious side effects. Also the netherlands have a lot of focus on regenerative medicines etc.

Also Delphi if Gho is soooooooo bad why do celebrities opt to go to him instead of the clinic which pays you for your obvious Anti progresion agenda. And NO Gho didnt say this stuff for years. In the beginning he was offering only 500 mini sessions and what does he today? Yep before the results are in he speaks about follow up sessions.

Also take a look at this burning victim boy, he got 400 Grafts at first and the follow up sessions had way more Grafts then 400 done.

Btw let me Guess you didnt click the link and you didnt read this Igli file right? And yes i really wanna know what goes around in people like you because the more and more Gho patients come up and proof, the more and more strangely the Anti Gho Movement becomes.

Wanna hear an example for becoming more and more strangely?

I posted this Igli link at hair site and SpanishDude said that this burning victim Igli got a very poor yiedl in the recipient area.................yes thats exactly what he said, of course he didnt show the final picture and manipulated but nevertheless does anyone here think the same? Just out of curiosity.

Btw another user at hair site also said and i am not kidding " Gho is not a goddamn scientist he is a surgeon"

Yes the guy who does research and got prices (medical research ones) is only a A to B surgeon of course

[Kiwi]

Does anybody know if Gho does graft counts that include the number of hairs per graft. For instance;

3000 1s
2000 2s
700 3s
90 4s

I ask because I'm curious as to whether or not the FUE tool that he uses is more likely to only produce 1s because of the diamator of his tool.

[RichardDawkins]

I cant give you an answer to that because i simply dont know.

[Follicle Death Row]

Does anybody know if Gho does graft counts that include the number of hairs per graft. For instance;

3000 1s
2000 2s
700 3s
90 4s

I ask because I'm curious as to whether or not the FUE tool that he uses is more likely to only produce 1s because of the diamator of his tool.

I have the same concern. With HST you can't transplant a 3 haired follicle unless you transect a 4 which are few and far between. Likewise with 3s they probably transect and transplant 2 with hopefully 3 growing back in the donor. I'd imagine it's predominantly 1s and 2s. It is a legimate concern.

If they are really getting these regeneration rates I wouldn't worry so much because you can go back in and put a 2 hair FU right beside another 2 hair FU. If it really works (we need to give it time, we'll know one way or another in 18months - 24months when the rich people want to go back for a third time) Europeans should go to Feriduni for a nice hairline and forelock for 2000 FUE then fill up the rest over time with HST. 2000 FUE, 9 months later 2300 HST, 9 months later 2300HST, repeat a couple more times, etc etc. That would be the dream.

[splitting hairs]

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Dr Harris:

I have reviewed his work and definitely will not be offering anything like it as there are no scientific studies showing that it is valid.
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[splitting hairs]

Tbh I'm kind of disappointed most by the reply from Dr Coles clinic just because I felt he has the closest technique to gho due to his minimal depth FUE and Acell giving 54% regeneration in donor sites.

[Follicle Death Row]

Tbh I'm kind of disappointed most by the reply from Dr Coles clinic just because I felt he has the closest technique to gho due to his minimal depth FUE and Acell giving 54% regeneration in donor sites.

He does comment on it somewhat in the Acell thread in one of the other sub forums. If I recall correctly he said something along the lines of it probably works to some extent but he cannot quantify that or comment on the it's level of effectiveness and/or consistency. I think he believes it may have some merit due to what he's seeing with his own FUE Acell studies. He's definitely one of the good guys with an open mind to innovative ideas in the field.

[CVAZBAR]

I don't understand why all the doctors say there is no scientific evidence. All this is a mess. It's hard to believe that all these surgeons would be lying. Why would they not want to offer this, if it's real?

[splitting hairs]

They're right, there aren't any scientific studies! But the theory is there and the evidence so far shows promise! We can only get a scientific study if someone bothers to do one!! But they take time and cost money, so ultimately every surgeon just waits to see what happens!

[Follicle Death Row]

They're right, there aren't any scientific studies! But the theory is there and the evidence so far shows promise! We can only get a scientific study if someone bothers to do one!! But they take time and cost money, so ultimately every surgeon just waits to see what happens!

That's it really. It's too early to pass judgement. What does worry me is I have yet to really see numerous multis regrowing in the donor and why is Dean Saunders new hairline a nw 2.5/3 if he can get vastly expanded donor via HST? Only really impressive result is Sneijder's. They really seem to have hit it out of the park with that one.

[CVAZBAR]

They're right, there aren't any scientific studies! But the theory is there and the evidence so far shows promise! We can only get a scientific study if someone bothers to do one!! But they take time and cost money, so ultimately every surgeon just waits to see what happens!

True but I figured Gho would have this evidence.