Spencer Kobren Speaks With Dr. Coen Gho about Hair Stem Cell Transplantation

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  • Follicle Death Row
    Senior Member
    • May 2011
    • 1066

    #16
    Originally posted by RichardDawkins
    Did he say that?
    Well they have to pay 50,000 euros but by doing so they get shown the method and they get the triple wave extraction tool and the patented preservation medium. From what I make of it, they're basically being taught the method and buying the right to practice it more or less.

    Dr. Gho also offered to go to their premises too to demonstrate the technique. He's open to sharing his intellectual property and in doing so I think it must be legitimate because if it wasn't it would make zero sense.

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    • RichardDawkins
      Inactive
      • Jan 2011
      • 895

      #17
      50k ok, so i think ONE surgeon choosen by the community should go to Gho and try it out IF it works to full satisfaction and after that i say OK lets do this.

      Also if this Gho thing turns out to be THE ultimate surgical solution i will resign from all hair loss boards i am registered because i was wrong (i criticise Gho until its fully proven by others to work with results)

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      • Follicle Death Row
        Senior Member
        • May 2011
        • 1066

        #18
        Originally posted by RichardDawkins
        50k ok, so i think ONE surgeon choosen by the community should go to Gho and try it out IF it works to full satisfaction and after that i say OK lets do this.

        Also if this Gho thing turns out to be THE ultimate surgical solution i will resign from all hair loss boards i am registered because i was wrong (i criticise Gho until its fully proven by others to work with results)
        Like you I was skeptical. I accepted that it was a phenomenon but I doubted whether it could be done to any great extent or consistency, especially because Gho had been banging on for the longest time that it was possible yet had shown little. He's working on a study at the moment with over a hundred patients to show results.

        Hmmm, if we were to choose one surgeon to go, who would you pick? It would be between Feller, Feriduni, Cooley and Bernstein for me. Feller and Feriduni because they're both extremely talented with the intricacies of FUE, Cooley because of his research with Acell and where the stem cells reside on a hair follicle and Bernstein because he's a pioneer of FUT and FUE and is investigating multiplication by transection himself.

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        • RichardDawkins
          Inactive
          • Jan 2011
          • 895

          #19
          Right now i would pick a surgeon who uses FUE, has artistic skill and is willing to use smaller depth and Acell just in case.

          I am sceptical of Gho absolutely, even with 5% always gone its infinite donor because it never goes to zero, if you lose a small amount everytime. You have to see it like this.

          a NW7 has 3000 Grafts left just assume it. He will lose 100 grafts during every procedure.

          This means he could do this procedure 30 times with 2000 Grafts. After my summary this is 30 times 2000 equals 60.000 grafts or so. But the problem is that this approach would be ridiculously expensive and time consuming. It would look the other way if mega sessions like 4000 etc could be offered once every year with the same lost rate.

          This would make it easier. Anyway we will see who is jumping on this train. But i have to say that it seems that even Gho is scared of Acell and the possible regrowth from it.

          Anyway we all should be really really glad that we live today and not 20 years ago believe me.

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          • Delphi
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2009
            • 546

            #20
            Great interview Spencer! After listening to Dr. Gho’s answers to your questions, I don’t have too much confidence in what he is saying. I think it’s about time to forget about Gho and concentrate on real advancements.

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            • Follicle Death Row
              Senior Member
              • May 2011
              • 1066

              #21
              Originally posted by Delphi
              Great interview Spencer! After listening to Dr. Gho’s answers to your questions, I don’t have too much confidence in what he is saying. I think it’s about time to forget about Gho and concentrate on real advancements.
              Well if it has any merit to it Dr. Bernstein will figure it out. He's looking at a number of things using Acell. Among them transection and the autocloning technique. I really want it to be real but I just don't know. Only time will tell.

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              • The Alchemist
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2011
                • 265

                #22
                Originally posted by Delphi
                Great interview Spencer! After listening to Dr. Gho’s answers to your questions, I don’t have too much confidence in what he is saying. I think it’s about time to forget about Gho and concentrate on real advancements.

                I agree with you, Delphi. Listening to that interview, it seemed that Spencer was more knowledgable than Gho...and often walking Gho to the answers. I found that Gho frequently didn't answer the question that was asked and would keep belaboring the same points over and over.

                In particular, i thought that Gho did a very poor job of answering Spencer's question about the poor quality of the patient's hair shown in photographic results on the HASCI site. If that's all that his technique is capable of, i really can't see that it is even up to par with a normal transplant. The individual hairs look to be of poor quality, the coverage is sparse and the hairlines could've be drawn in by children. The results are worse than you would get from a normal transplant done by a competent surgeon. He's been at this for a long time now, where are the patients who've taken advantage of a near limitless donor? Surely there must be some. Unfortunately for Gho, this is the bottom line. Until he starts showing results that are impressive, his technique will not catch on.

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                • Follicle Death Row
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2011
                  • 1066

                  #23
                  Agreed that the results on the site are awful. Wesley Sneijder's hair is looking good though. Man, I hope Bernstein can make this work with Acell.

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                  • The Alchemist
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2011
                    • 265

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Follicle Death Row
                    Agreed that the results on the site are awful. Wesley Sneijder's hair is looking good though. Man, I hope Bernstein can make this work with Acell.

                    The key for Gho is to get a well known transplant doctor to use the technique and demonstrate that it works. If i were Gho, hell, i would offer it up for free to one or two Docs such as Bernstein and Feller. Let them prove it works and see what they can produce with the technique. Publicize their experiences with it. If it works as he says, patients will be demanding their docs to use Gho's procedure; the rest of the industry would catch on in a hurry and Gho would make a fortune.

                    Seems like an obvious way forward. Small up front investment from Gho for a potentially huge payout in the long run. Why wouldn't he take that approach? More importantly, why hasn't he?

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                    • Follicle Death Row
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2011
                      • 1066

                      #25
                      I actually think he is trying to do that somewhat but charging for the knowledge and training. He might be a good researcher but he doesn't seem to be the best HT surgeon. Thing is the US hair restoration elite will not go to him. It could be like the Woods scenario all over again. They'll scoff at such an idea all the while trying to figure it out themselves rather than reach out. Here's what could happen: Some US doc figures it out and claims that they're the pioneer of the technique and they end up getting the credit. Rassman did exactly that with FUE so I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happens here.

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                      • NeedHairASAP
                        Senior Member
                        • Jul 2011
                        • 1410

                        #26
                        I'm thinking about ghoing for it


                        I'm surprised nobody has been on any forums complaining about their results. Maybe thats a good thing?

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