Need Help Developing a Regimen Without Fin

[neversaynever]

Originally Posted by Tracy C

When it comes to discussions about Finasteride, that is all I have to go on. I have nothing else. Sometimes the interpretations of an outside observer is needed, especially with so much fear mongering going on. I have no BIAS. I have no reason to interpret the data one way or the other. I read the data and it says what it says. It just is what it is. I know you guys don't like it but evidence does not lie.

Not once did I say that ALL instances of negative sexual side effects are psychosomatic - as implied by UK_. Yes UK_, you did not read what I wrote. You read into what I wrote and interpreted it the way you did just so you could try to start an argument. Now go away.

The safety profile of RU and those other grey market treatments have not been adequately and appropriately established. Jumping on this bandwagon is foolish and reckless. Many of you guys are going to be very sorry you did that.

I think the chances of major side effects on fin are exagerrated on forums, because of the very nature of forums. Though they are higher than what merck claims.

However, you simply dont understand how scary it is almost decide between your sex life and hair. Fin was tested properly for safety and to this day we are still learning new things.

I dont think RU will leave many guys very sorry they did it, though there are other substances that make me think people shouldnt be using high doses and taking orally.

If histogen launch into phase 3 with fire in their bellies next year, we know exactly how long we have to stay on these chemicals. Whether it is fin, RU or whatever.

These are calculated risks, but desperate guys, and I am one of them

1. Keep your scalp clean (shampoo)
2. Lower DHT levels and keep DHT away from receptors
3. Add stimulants such as minox and AHK (NOT past 5%).
4. Complete diet change, and include things like Biotin.
5. Stay positive. I have a feeling that worrying about sides endlessly might bring them on. In a minority of users.
6. Address inflammation with oils.

[worried]

what do you think abt EMU Oil ?

[Conpecia]

neversaynever, what oils would you recommend? As for growth stimulants, do you know anything about the sides for AHK? Minox at 5% made my face bloat and I read it can age the face. If I go bald my face is all I got going for me, can't risk pruning it up. Thanks for the feedback. I agree with the worrying comment too. Once I establish this regimen I'm taking a vacation from BTT until October.

[neversaynever]

Originally Posted by Conpecia

neversaynever, what oils would you recommend? As for growth stimulants, do you know anything about the sides for AHK? Minox at 5% made my face bloat and I read it can age the face. If I go bald my face is all I got going for me, can't risk pruning it up. Thanks for the feedback. I agree with the worrying comment too. Once I establish this regimen I'm taking a vacation from BTT until October.

Im no expert mate. AHK is so vague. I think its dangrous to use copper at high doses. Its important to take zinc when on copper. But too little AHK will do nothing. There was a study that shows 2.5% was effective, ive read no reports of side effects. I would be inclined to do minox everyday and AHK every other day. Have you tried 2% minox?

Every single chemical has side effects, especially if over used. What we're doing is taking calculated risks here...

Im in no position to dish out advice, especially with these experimental treatments, so please take my plan with a pinch of salt...

>Fin (yep! I think I'll just see how i tolerate it. Equol might be effective too though).
> RU
> 5% minox
> 2.5% AHK every other day
> Nizoral 2 or 3 times a week
> Biotin
> Emu oil (does help inflamation and is absorbed into the skin easily).

From my research, its important to be careful using emu oil with other chemicals. You do not want other chemicals mixing into emu oil because this oil penerates the skin very easily, and it could lead to more side effects because more chemicals are getting into your blood.

Im getting closer, but not 100% decided. Thats all I can say for now.

[worried]

Originally Posted by neversaynever

I think the chances of major side effects on fin are exagerrated on forums, because of the very nature of forums. Though they are higher than what merck claims.

However, you simply dont understand how scary it is almost decide between your sex life and hair. Fin was tested properly for safety and to this day we are still learning new things.

I dont think RU will leave many guys very sorry they did it, though there are other substances that make me think people shouldnt be using high doses and taking orally.

If histogen launch into phase 3 with fire in their bellies next year, we know exactly how long we have to stay on these chemicals. Whether it is fin, RU or whatever.

These are calculated risks, but desperate guys, and I am one of them

1. Keep your scalp clean (shampoo)
2. Lower DHT levels and keep DHT away from receptors
3. Add stimulants such as minox and AHK (NOT past 5%).
4. Complete diet change, and include things like Biotin.
5. Stay positive. I have a feeling that worrying about sides endlessly might bring them on. In a minority of users.
6. Address inflammation with oils.

What type of diet do u suggest?
Dont you think minox and AHK are only growth stimulants and the hairs grown by them would be only for short period of time

[neversaynever]

Originally Posted by worried

What type of diet do u suggest?
Dont you think minox and AHK are only growth stimulants and the hairs grown by them would be only for short period of time

By diet i mean just a very healthy diet. Zero junk food. It will probably make no difference at all, because the MPB mechanism has already started. But what harm can it do?

People say that as soon as your stop minox, you lose the hair. If I grow hair, i wont change anything until someone like histogen hit the market...

SO, a short period of time, might just be enough. Problem is everyone is so different. Some people see no improvement, some people lose hair, some people maintain, others regrow vellus hairs, others manage to turn those vellus hairs into full terminal hairs, especially in the vertex and back. Im quite happy if just save the vertex and back.Regrowth is a bonus.

[UK_]

Originally Posted by worried

what do you think abt EMU Oil ?

God help us.

[Jcm800]

Originally Posted by UK_

God help us.

^^^^Pmsl

[25 going on 65]

Originally Posted by neversaynever

By diet i mean just a very healthy diet. Zero junk food. It will probably make no difference at all, because the MPB mechanism has already started. But what harm can it do?

I agree diet probably makes no real impact on the MPB process, but I do think it can have a noticeable cosmetic impact on your existing hairs. Healthier, more lustrous looking hair can sometimes help disguise MPB a bit.

[worried]

Originally Posted by UK_

God help us.

Dnt you u think emu oil is good for hairs ?