Hair loss gene to aggressive for big 3?

[Kirby_]

Originally Posted by UK_

Yeah thats what happens - worst part is what you have lost you wont get back - happened to me.

Finasteride is ass. And I have a feeling Histogen wont help slick bald or anyone beyond NW 6. Bummer being as though it is still 5 years off.

How can I find our for sure hyper androcity that must be it ice gone BALD on Propecia hairlineis almost gone wasn't that bad before Propecia I need to see somek e private doctor can't afford that I need mo eu

**** all women, snakes with tits, that's all they are , they can get another sperm donor I can't get a new scalp Histofen wm be a sham too, it's all a sham thus site is one big shill for bollocks

[UK_]

Yer... how ive felt all my life... summed up in your post dont waste your time/money with women - take it from an older bloke - they're not worth it.

The first 5 years of balding are probably the worst... they were for me- I wouldnt wish that on anyone... ive never understood why people just look at MPB as "meh" and alopecia cases as "OMFG let us help you!!!!".

[25 going on 65]

Originally Posted by Kirby_

How can I find our for sure hyper androcity that must be it ice gone BALD on Propecia hairlineis almost gone wasn't that bad before Propecia I need to see somek e private doctor can't afford that I need mo eu

**** all women, snakes with tits, that's all they are , they can get another sperm donor I can't get a new scalp Histofen wm be a sham too, it's all a sham thus site is one big shill for bollocks

Wow man
A few things:
Hyperandrogenism is when your body produces excess amounts of androgens. There is no evidence fin causes this; if anything you could be said to be in a state of hypoandrogenism (if there is any such thing) due to the abnormally low amounts of DHT in your system.
There are two small studies, if I'm remembering right, that found with fin use, the number of androgen receptors in your tissue increases. Which potentially could have some of the same effects as hyperandrogenism. However this isn't known yet (I'm hoping more studies will be done), and if it's true, balding is not necessarily one of those effects (because fin wipes most of the 5-ar type II enzyme from your body before it can bind with T).
It IS possible you have very aggressive MPB. However there are also many other possibilities that can cause mass sheds, like hyperthyroidism (which can coincide with MPB unfortunately). Since your GP sounds kind of useless, you may want to schedule an appointment with a specialist (Farjo is the only reliable one in Britain that I'm aware of).
As you already know it may take you at least another 5 months to see improvement in your hair (assuming MPB is the only culprit), though for some men it would take longer. If you're especially freaked out and unable to wait, you can try preemptively switching to dutasteride (avodart). However many would recommend this only as a last ditch move since we don't have as much understanding of long term dut use for MPB, or of blocking the type I 5-ar enzyme long term (fin does little or nothing to block type I). It's possible that you will regrow your lost hair on fin alone which would make the switch to dut unnecessary. Either way if you move onto dut, you potentially could experience another med shed.
Another option would be growth stimulation (minox). There is a risk of med shed with that also.

[Kirby_]

Not ure can afford faro all it will will just starve do I can pay some ont to tell me I'm going bald fast

Treid kill myself early ruined jeans a d shirt with blood want strength to do it propel

[25 going on 65]

Originally Posted by Kirby_

Not ure can afford faro all it will will just starve do I can pay some ont to tell me I'm going bald fast

Treid kill myself early ruined jeans a d shirt with blood want strength to do it propel

Are you serious?!
We've been telling you for weeks it is too early in treatment to know if fin is working for you, let alone how much hair you can regrow. Would you go on a 3-week antibiotic cycle and kill yourself after 9 days because it hadn't worked yet?
If you're trying to hurt yourself you need to go to the emergency room right now. Especially if you are drunk or on drugs.

[Kirby_]

I don't do drugs or alcohol

Self harmed when I was teenager it's coming back all the old problems worse now I am going bald

I get told by UK and Maradona and others propecia doesn't work for me, others say I've got hyperandrogenicity (sp?) and propecia is making me far more bald and I see my ruined hair in mirrors, windows etc all thin and ragged and I just wish I wasn't alive to see it

[gutted]

Originally Posted by Kirby_

I don't do drugs or alcohol

Self harmed when I was teenager it's coming back all the old problems worse now I am going bald

I get told by UK and Maradona and others propecia doesn't work for me, others say I've got hyperandrogenicity (sp?) and propecia is making me far more bald and I see my ruined hair in mirrors, windows etc all thin and ragged and I just wish I wasn't alive to see it

dude have you read up on the "symptoms" of hyperandrogenicty?
and are you getting those symptoms?

you should take what you read on forums with a grain of salt.

half the people on here really do not know what they are talking about, and most are trolls. Do your OWN research.

[Maradona]

Originally Posted by Kirby_

I don't do drugs or alcohol

Self harmed when I was teenager it's coming back all the old problems worse now I am going bald

I get told by UK and Maradona and others propecia doesn't work for me, others say I've got hyperandrogenicity (sp?) and propecia is making me far more bald and I see my ruined hair in mirrors, windows etc all thin and ragged and I just wish I wasn't alive to see it

I never told you it doesn't work, what you need to do is stick with the treatment for more months if you want to keep your hair.

If you stop the treatment now, you will not get your hair back.

If you had hyperandrogenecity you would have increased body hair and super high libido among other DHT related stuff.

Bro, it's a decision you gotta make. Drop the propecia and lose what you already lost or wait a full 12 months to see the full benefits.

The shedding is caused by a number of things especially the switch in hormone levels, once they settle down your follicles will start growing again. This you will find in posts from different forums. In fact, in hairlosstalk you have a section for the shedding phase.

I think it's very stupid to kill yourself or even try right now, we have many treatments coming down the pipe !!!

[25 going on 65]

Originally Posted by Kirby_

I don't do drugs or alcohol

Self harmed when I was teenager it's coming back all the old problems worse now I am going bald

I get told by UK and Maradona and others propecia doesn't work for me, others say I've got hyperandrogenicity (sp?) and propecia is making me far more bald and I see my ruined hair in mirrors, windows etc all thin and ragged and I just wish I wasn't alive to see it

OK I'm sorry if I jumped to conclusions.
All I can tell you at this point is what you already know. You have a long wait ahead of you. Fin-induced hyperandogenism has no evidence for its existence, and we also have no idea if the increased AR count from fin has equivalent or similar symptoms when on fin, let alone hair loss (which requires a hormone which is now at about 30% of baseline levels in your body). I don't want you to hurt yourself, especially not before fin has a chance to help you, and like Maradona says there are more treatments in R&D thanever and several of them are already proven safe and effective. You can beat this, but not if you do something dangerous. If it makes you feel better just vent on the forums, bash me or whoever you want, but don't give up.
Believe me I considered harming myself many times (actually I didn't want to feel pain, I just wanted to feel nothing), but there is hope and there is a better place at the end of this road. None of us know you but after some of the things youve said, many of us would feel terrible if you suddenly stopped posting

[Kirby_]

Uk's comment ****ed me up so bad saying my hairs gone because off fin hurt myself again today cant stop thinking of it