I'm not going any further in this debate until you accept that DHT is a hormone responsible for good male sexual health.
translation: "I know I cant win this so maybe I can trick him into admitting hes wrong!!"
I really clearly explained the problems with that definition.... Who wrote it? Where are the sources? How old is that definition? you can probably understand, medicine changes quickly. maybe it was the understanding back in the 1980's was that DHT was very important for sexual functioning in adult men, but a lot can change in 30 years and it really obvious that it has, as the end of this post will really clearly show. even the study you posted said that hormones and the effect on sexual function was very poorly understood.
I've provided medical literature and a study. It's there in black and white. Your quote above might as well say "I refuse to accept facts".
you provided a study from 1995 that shows 93 young, healthy men with slightly higher DHT levels on average have one extra orgasm a week.
Your theory is that DHT is absolutely vital to maintain libido in adult men.
no, the study you posted doesnt even closely show this is "black and white". Please read the following closely and tell me again that im refusing to accept facts.
so im just showing sources to save you time arguing. this is the source for the following setence: http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_avodart.pdf
After 1 and 2 weeks of daily dosing with dutasteride 0.5 mg, median serum DHT concentrations were reduced by 85% and 90%, respectively. In patients with BPH treated with dutasteride 0.5 mg/day for 4 years, the median decrease in serum DHT was 94% at 1 year, 93% at 2 years, and 95% at both 3 and 4 years.
so we can agree dutasteride decreses serum DHT by 90-94%, yes? If you dont agree, please do explain exactly why not.
Side effects taken from here (they are also in the link i provided above but this is a bit neater) http://www.drugs.com/sfx/avodart-side-effects.html
A placebo controlled study with 4300 men showed these effects on decreased libido:
remember we should always subtract the placebo from the drug group so our real side effect rate for decreased libido is 1.6%.
AND THAT WAS ONLY DURING THE FIRST 6 MONTHS!
The remaining 18 months show a difference of only 0.2%
in men taking avodart over the men taking placebo. this is almost completely insignificant.
How on earth could you read this and still tell me with a straight fact that DHT is so important for libido? At the very most, it may have a very, very small effect on it... but I wouldnt even say that, because libido side effects on finasteride (which lowers DHT by around 60%) are almost the exact same. even more, you are saying merck has effected the studies and hid the real results, which would mean finasteride side efects are actually HIGHER than dutasteride, which means lowering DHT actually INCREASES your libido?
So have I changed your mind about this yet, and can we return to what we were originally debating? Because I have a LOT of really good stuff to come back to your original comments also!
PLEASE dont keep avoiding this topic (for the 4th time now)
because I have responded to EVERYTHING you posted about this debate. If you keep refusing to comment on what I posted about dutasteride, lets just call this what it is and we can return to our original debate about finasteride (if you havent entirely given up yet.)