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My point is biotech companies have more incentive than you think they have. They are also farther along than you think they are. Opinions of Doctors like Dr. Rassman are not a good gauge at all. Such doctors are much too stubborn and closed minded. The progress, or perceived lack there of, of one biotech company is not a good gauge either.
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there's not going to be "cure".... one injection of their stuff is not going to bring back a full head of hair
because they're dealing with very complicated stuff... Aderans is delaying because their previous study was a failure. Other companies are on a good track..
let's just wait for march... Then we will know what's what.Comment
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Yes and this is why i'm certain it'll keep getting pushed for many many years. 10 years makes sense, but realistic is more than that. Like you said, it's very complicated, so nothing will materialize in the next 5 whole years! Either way i wish you were right, but i know better based on current results. And by "other companies being on a good track" who are you speaking of? Replicel? They haven't come out with any solid findings, gotta wait till April for that. I don't know anyone else who is anywhere near a solid finding.Comment
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just imagine if follica manage to wake the follicles.You could grow a full head of hair in like 6 months.Go watch a thread of mine names skin stem cells.The doctor that speaks says that they are now starting to understand how hair grow and fall and that this can lead to cure for baldness.Hair are really fascinating for those researchers because they are complicated and by understanding how they work they can come up with cures for other diseases.Comment
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I might be reaching here a little with this analogy but by that logic we wouldn't have LASIK and people would be forever using contacts and glasses. People with MPB in their genetics are born everyday so there will always be a steady stream of people needing the treatment. It won't be super cheap either and we don't know if the effects will be permanent or transient so people may well need a periodic top up of these cells. I really believe it's in everyone's best interest that cell based therapies succeed.Comment
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I really start to do not believe that something will come out for 5 even 10 years...
I really feel sick about reading "5\10 years from now"... it is bullshit.Comment
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Incorrect,money is the incentive.
(The Term "Big Pharma" is misleading in the context your using it, you may as well combine Microsoft and Apple and call them “Big Softwa”)
Look at it objectively, Johnson and Johnson are one big pharmaceutical company, they turn over 24 billion a year or there about right?
But what do they make from the average Rogain user $240 per year, let’s assume the average user uses the product for 20 years that’s $4,800.00.
Currently only 10 percent of balding men seek treatment.
Let's assume you’re the CEO of Johnson and Johnson, I come to you with a product and say, how about instead of $4,800.00 over 20 years for your existing clients, I give you $10,000 for each of them today, and not only that, I will expand your client base by 300 percent.
Um... because of fierce competition, Histogen is currently leading the field in terms of efficiency with an outstanding result of 86% of patients with an increase of 25 or more new hairs per cm2, with one injection of 1/10 of a ml.
And continued hair growth at the 2 year mark, with no down time
with regards to manufacturing their product.
They are currently in dosing trials where they are injecting patients with 8 injections 3mm apart and then repeating the dose at the 6 week mark...
If Histogen can prove that their product is compoundable, its game over. And the results will be released in June/July 2012.
So why would Aderans prolong Phase 2 trials after investing 150 million dollars? Cost vs benefit... they need to have outstanding results, because their treatment will most likely cost more than Histogen.
As for Dr Rassman here is a quote from his site.
He freely admits to not really knowing shit about hair cloning, he is the moron.I would take any time predictions from him with a grain of salt
“I do thank you for the input, but I am not a cloning expert nor a historian on cloning of hair. I could spend weeks or more researching the paths taken in hair loss cures over the past 50 years, and while it would likely make for interesting reading, it is beyond my scope at this time.”Comment
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Ha do you really think I don't want a solution to come out? I'm going into a NW level 4 and the only real solution i see in the immediate future is just to shave my head. I would LOVE if one of these companies comes out successful but it looks more and more like it's not gonna happen for another 7 years minimum. Always delays and delays with some excuse and no strong "Yes, we plan on releasing our drug in 2015!" Instead, we hear things like we're pushing Phase II to the year 2013 (Aderans), we have no plan B just hoping for something in 2015 (Replicel) and so on and so forth. No hope!Comment
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Anyone care to pontificate on the feasible side effects of these treatments, or is that a complete mystery to all of us until later on in the trial stage?Comment
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What would be really cool would be if Histogen allowed HSC Complex to be available in certain Far Eastern countries after its combined Phase I/II is completed. This could happen and I would literally jump at this chance.Comment
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How would this be an "open invitation to sabotage the research effort"?Comment
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