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10-02-2012, 09:49 AM
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Because people here basically ride on Kobren's nutsack too hard to give legit advice.
Tapering isn't really necessary in my opinion, but some members like Spex claim that tapering on has stopped sides in people that have previously had side effects with finasteride.
You need to get finasteride from a derm. There are two kinds, one marketed for hair loss and another for prostate cancer or something. Same drug but they are 1mg and 5mg tablets respectively. The 5mg tablet is SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper and can then just be cut into four 1.25mg parts (buy a pill cutter and weekly storage box off Amazon for this).
Look at Spex's posts on tapering if you want.
Using Minoxidil is apparently also a good idea, as is Nizoral. Personally I don't use Nizoral, but I do use Minox. When my shedding from fin stops I'll consider tapering off Minoxidil to see if Fin alone is effective enough.
If you're going to use Minox then get the foam. I used the liquid for ages and HATED IT. Yes the foam is expensive, but Kirkland sell a cheaper foam now too.
And ironically every hair loss drug out there will almost always cause you to lose some more hair temporarily for a bit. Most of it should grow back I think. This is called "shedding". It can take over a year to properly know if it's working as you can experience sheds even a year after starting.
Another thing that is super important is to be VERY CONSISTENT. Fin has a short half-life so it is important to not miss it - especially when starting off imo. Minox has a 23 hour half-life though, so some even just use it once a day.'
Edit: Also know that saving hair in the hairline is the hardest. Meds could be working well and you could probably still lose hair up to a NW3 pattern. For whatever reason hair in the hairline is hard to hold onto and regrow. Just don't give up hope. As long as you're stopping it then you can HT back to NW-whatever at some stage. There's also Dr Gho who does HST and claims to have unlimited donor, just his HT quality isn't that good for a hairline.
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10-02-2012, 09:56 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Highlander
Because people here basically ride on Kobren's nutsack too hard to give legit advice.
Tapering isn't really necessary in my opinion, but some members like Spex claim that tapering on has stopped sides in people that have previously had side effects with finasteride.
You need to get finasteride from a derm. There are two kinds, one marketed for hair loss and another for prostate cancer or something. Same drug but they are 1mg and 5mg tablets respectively. The 5mg tablet is SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper and can then just be cut into four 1.25mg parts (buy a pill cutter and weekly storage box off Amazon for this).
Look at Spex's posts on tapering if you want.
Using Minoxidil is apparently also a good idea, as is Nizoral. Personally I don't use Nizoral, but I do use Minox. When my shedding from fin stops I'll consider tapering off Minoxidil to see if Fin alone is effective enough.
If you're going to use Minox then get the foam. I used the liquid for ages and HATED IT. Yes the foam is expensive, but Kirkland sell a cheaper foam now too.
And ironically every hair loss drug out there will almost always cause you to lose some more hair temporarily for a bit. Most of it should grow back I think. This is called "shedding". It can take over a year to properly know if it's working as you can experience sheds even a year after starting.
Another thing that is super important is to be VERY CONSISTENT. Fin has a short half-life so it is important to not miss it - especially when starting off imo. Minox has a 23 hour half-life though, so some even just use it once a day.'
Edit: Also know that saving hair in the hairline is the hardest. Meds could be working well and you could probably still lose hair up to a NW3 pattern. For whatever reason hair in the hairline is hard to hold onto and regrow. Just don't give up hope. As long as you're stopping it then you can HT back to NW-whatever at some stage. There's also Dr Gho who does HST and claims to have unlimited donor, just his HT quality isn't that good for a hairline.
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Yeah, I see a derm in a month and will beg for a fin prescription if I have to. I'm too impatient, so I was going to hit the sketchy sketch market for non-prescription sources (on-line). As for minox, I would have to compromise my daily vices if I invested (at least until I finish grad school this year) - not convinced I'm ok with that.
As for consistency, I'll keep a cut pill in my wallet if I think I'll miss. I'm crazy neurotic about this type of thing. At the risk of sounding facetious, I would rather miss a family funeral than miss a fin dose.
I hadn't heard about the hairline still receding to NW3 piece until now. Weak....
Regardless, this is the first legit response I've gotten, so thanks for not ignoring me. I have a feeling we're in comparable positions right now.
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10-02-2012, 12:00 PM
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My NW3 thing was a bit of broscience. Technically the meds work all over the scalp and there are plenty of people who have regrowth of hairline maintenance. It's just you shouldn't be too optimistic about it. Regrowth in the crown would be far more likely than regrowth in the hairline as far as I'm aware.
Anyway, why would minox be a problem? It literally takes two minutes a day. The foam absorbs almost instantly.
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10-02-2012, 08:42 PM
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I meant that it seems expensive.
Hairloss treatment is expensive, bottom line - I get it. However, you can get FIN prescriptions from target for like $9, and nizoral cream looks like a pretty cheap endeavor as well, though I'm thinking insurance won't cover it, huh. I don't know, I shouldn't speak with confidence on most of these matters.
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10-03-2012, 12:12 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigThinker
I meant that it seems expensive.
Hairloss treatment is expensive, bottom line - I get it. However, you can get FIN prescriptions from target for like $9, and nizoral cream looks like a pretty cheap endeavor as well, though I'm thinking insurance won't cover it, huh. I don't know, I shouldn't speak with confidence on most of these matters.
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fin you can get a years supply for about 60-80$, pretty cheap.
Min is definitely a bit expensive but I find using it say once a day(as opposed to twice) and using Nizoral one or two days in place of Min helps it last longer. Although stick with twice a day if that's what works for you. This idea makes my min last about 6 months or so with a 3 month supply along with the nizoral.
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10-03-2012, 07:02 PM
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Been doing that method for a while? As of today, I'm thinkin 2% keto 2x a week and 0.5 mg fin daily. Your plan sounds comparable, and I been really intrigued by Min. In a year I'll be graduated and making decent money, might incorporate it then.
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10-04-2012, 11:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigThinker
Been doing that method for a while? As of today, I'm thinkin 2% keto 2x a week and 0.5 mg fin daily. Your plan sounds comparable, and I been really intrigued by Min. In a year I'll be graduated and making decent money, might incorporate it then.
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Min I've been using once a day for a couple years now(started at twice, switched to once and saw no difference) Nizoral and Fin I just added about 4 months ago.
I like it though, taking a couple days off min with Nizoral and then maybe an extra off day only using fin really makes my hair feel better.
so essentially
7 days a week-Proscar 1mg
2 days a week-niz(might switch to one now that it's been a while)
4 days a week-min 5%
1 day off min and niz.
I need to stay on min because I shed when I get off it, I'm thinking of switching to foam though as the liquid gives me crazy dandruff sometimes.
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10-05-2012, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by rdawg
Min I've been using once a day for a couple years now(started at twice, switched to once and saw no difference) Nizoral and Fin I just added about 4 months ago.
I like it though, taking a couple days off min with Nizoral and then maybe an extra off day only using fin really makes my hair feel better.
so essentially
7 days a week-Proscar 1mg
2 days a week-niz(might switch to one now that it's been a while)
4 days a week-min 5%
1 day off min and niz.
I need to stay on min because I shed when I get off it, I'm thinking of switching to foam though as the liquid gives me crazy dandruff sometimes.
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That's my other beef with mix: what happens when you get off it. I'm sure dropping keto or fin would have an affect, but those two are just so easy (even with semi-long hair like I have) and cheap, I have no reason to quit (unless sides occur).
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10-06-2012, 01:47 PM
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ah I dont have a problem with min it definitely helped for the first while to hold on to my hair and definitely still helps a bit, it just can be costly at times(I dont have a problem with that though).
I just hate the dandruff the liquid causes, some days it's fine, other days its snowing from my head hahah.
Keto is a pretty minor booster, FIN would probably have a horrible shed if you start it early, it will hold on to a tonne of hair.
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