Histogen Update - Spencer Kobren Speaks With Dr. Craig L. Ziering

[RichardDawkins]

i am not a NW2 but i believe in hair multiplication and even what Gho is doing and therefore i just dont wanna take the risk of side effects because i can look great with a normal buzzcut but being impotent, i dont know if i could live with that or with permanent sunken eyes etc.

Its no wonder that those pharma companies also invest in hair regeneration, because they know their stuff is crap.

And i think for surgical solutions its better to have the hair loss survived so that you can clearly see how to resore it without taken precautions for existing hairs. If Gho works according to plan, then there is no need to be sad or down because it just works even for NW7 guys.

Someone at the german forum asked the HSI staff about density and they said 70 grafts or more per square centimeter is possible in a second or third session. So why should i destroy my body with propecia this time, i am a bad luck person and know that i will get impotent so i dont touch it. Better safe then sorry

[NeedHairASAP]

i am not a NW2 but i believe in hair multiplication and even what Gho is doing and therefore i just dont wanna take the risk of side effects because i can look great with a normal buzzcut but being impotent, i dont know if i could live with that or with permanent sunken eyes etc.

Its no wonder that those pharma companies also invest in hair regeneration, because they know their stuff is crap.

And i think for surgical solutions its better to have the hair loss survived so that you can clearly see how to resore it without taken precautions for existing hairs. If Gho works according to plan, then there is no need to be sad or down because it just works even for NW7 guys.

Someone at the german forum asked the HSI staff about density and they said 70 grafts or more per square centimeter is possible in a second or third session. So why should i destroy my body with propecia this time, i am a bad luck person and know that i will get impotent so i dont touch it. Better safe then sorry

+1

i totally agree


ya when gho says he can't do 70 density I think he means the same thing when he says they don't harvest grafts too closely... the results just wont be as good if in one session you put 70 little holes right next to each other and pop hairs in them..the area would just swell and mess up some of the grafts.. thats a lot of trauma for one area of skin to get and not reject grafts. its common sense (and business sense I know i know) but he may be looking towards the graft turnover... because the higher and more efficient his procedure the more customers... not just that they have to get more separate procedures


so... ya unfortunately its going to cost 50k over your lifetime but who cares seriously you guys cry for a cure and than its here and you guys are pissed its not free

[Samiam]

+1

i totally agree


ya when gho says he can't do 70 density I think he means the same thing when he says they don't harvest grafts too closely... the results just wont be as good if in one session you put 70 little holes right next to each other and pop hairs in them..the area would just swell and mess up some of the grafts.. thats a lot of trauma for one area of skin to get and not reject grafts. its common sense (and business sense I know i know) but he may be looking towards the graft turnover... because the higher and more efficient his procedure the more customers... not just that they have to get more separate procedures


so... ya unfortunately its going to cost 50k over your lifetime but who cares seriously you guys cry for a cure and than its here and you guys are pissed its not free

Can you rephrase what you said how would this cost around 50k

[NeedHairASAP]

Can you rephrase what you said how would this cost around 50k

because if you need 10,000 hair follicles and he only does 2000 at a time and each procedure is $10k or so... then....

[Samiam]

because if you need 10,000 hair follicles and he only does 2000 at a time and each procedure is $10k or so... then....

Ok I don't really know all these new treatments or the doctors behind them, don't really know what gho is but 10k a treatment is a good reason to bitch

[Mojo Risin]

Is it possible to enter a thread without having people talking about that freakin' Gho bullshit ?

[Flowers]

Is it possible to enter a thread without having people talking about that freakin' Gho bullshit ?

Well UK_ of all people the other day was raving about how Gho has cured baldness

[RichardDawkins]

No Mojo i think we should talk about it because right now i saw some very hardcore stunts at a german board where some "Experts" are now dontalking a person who had HST done.

To me this is proof enough, when clinics and so called "experts" go ape shit about Gho then i know this guy has something cooking.

You wanna know what the expert did say? hey said "its IMPOSSIBLE to perform hair multiplication this way Gho does, which is in situ"

But what do researchers say, FUE docs witness and other docs in general say? Correct they say its possible. And this specialist, he uses 0.9mm diameter needles for extractions, WHAT an EXPERT right.

I hate to say it guys, but a majority of hair loss sufferers is well screwed over by those experts. I can guanrantee you the next few months will be hardcore, if i were you, i wouldnt make an appointment for a traditional hair transplant, trust me

[VictimOfDHT]

I hope u're right.

[RichardDawkins]

When advertised forums jump on every Gho Thread (Admins, Owner of forum, Moderators and paying clinics) what does this say to you?

No what does this tell you.

it definitely IS NOT to protect people because if those forums would protect people, they wouldnt allow clinics to advertise FUT, scalp pigmentation and scalp reduction.

[Kiwi]

To be honest nobody know how much it'll cost. If it's 10K per 2K session then of course you're looking at 50K but who says you'll need 10k grafts, who says there won't be bulk discounts, and who says other docs won't figure it out....*

Richard, what's that about sunken eyes?!?

[Mojo Risin]

I don't think we'll have any new informations until November.

China Medical Biotech Forum
November 7-9, 2011
Beijing, China
Dr. Gail K. Naughton to present "Human Embryonic-like Proteins Stimulate New Hair Growth in Humans while Inducing Apoptosis in Cancer"

And even there ... her speech is barely going to last 30 minutes if you look here : http://www.medbioforum.org/cmbf2011/...m_track6.asp#6

[UK_]

Well UK_ of all people the other day was raving about how Gho has cured baldness

Haha

... Let's wait and see - even Rassman wants to see the results before coming to any [accurate] conclusion... read the post on "professional jealousy" on the balding blog.

http://www.baldingblog.com/2011/07/22/is-there-professional-jealousy-of-dr-ghos-technique/

I think Richard is right, I am also seeing a lot of doctors downplaying the Gho technique - I dont know whether it is jealousy - I mean Gho has a waiting list [now] up until late 2012.

The thing is Rassman contends that Gho is just doing a normal HST procedure, but how can he honestly know for sure? I mean really, think about it. Why didnt Rassman apply these "accusations" when Gho was releasing medical articles about the efficacy of his procedure? Why wait unti HST exploded in consumer demand?

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Has anyone tried messaging Dr Ziering through facebook?

Or emailing his clinic directly?

[Mojo Risin]

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1824

Listen to the second interview.
You'll need multiple injections for a full head of hair ... and you'll need to come back every 3-6 months.

Well, unless you're some hollywood superstar, that's going to be absolutly impossible to afford.

I'm kinda losing faith with Histogen, I see this as some kind of ''botox for hair''. Just like botox, you need to come back regularly to a clinic to get a fix ... it's going to be the exact same shit.

[UK_]

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1824

Listen to the second interview.
You'll need multiple injections for a full head of hair ... and you'll need to come back every 3-6 months.

Well, unless you're some hollywood superstar, that's going to be absolutly impossible to afford.

I'm kinda losing faith with Histogen, I see this as some kind of ''botox for hair''. Just like botox, you need to come back regularly to a clinic to get a fix ... it's going to be the exact same shit.

Your assertion rests upon a source which predates the findings that prove a single injection can last up and beyond the two year period.

I point you to their actual updated findings in which new hair growth has been seen and maintained up and beyond the 24 month mark, this was achieved with negligible amounts of HSC as the initial trial was more a determinant of safety as opposed to aesthetic efficacy.

Regardless of the cost, a better treatment is a better treatment, beggars can't be choosey.

I obviously can't comment on cost Mojo, but what I can say is that Histogen's focus is on mass marketing this product, they have previously made statements about making this product available to the wider public, and a lot of their investments have gone into setting up a viable manufacturing system to do so. I highly doubt this translates to a treatment that will only be available to the select elites of society. Their preious statements that allude to; "only a small percentage of the wider public seeking current FDA approved treatments" suggests to me the contrary to your opinion, they are clearly intending to target the wider public. Also, if this is actually primarily targeted for the elites, why would Dr Ziering be on here talking to us 'mere mortals'?