Histogen update from the ISHRS 2012

[The Alchemist]

Originally Posted by 2020

and I've asked you that: what other variables could they possibly change? More injections? How many injections could they possibly make? 1000.

The male patient in their photos appears to be quite old and has fairly advanced AA. They made 20 injections on him. The efficacy of the injections is known to reside within a tight radius of the injection site. Based on that alone i wouldn't expect to see massive hair regrowth. However, He has easily visible, terminal hairs regrowing within a 6 month time frame. That type of result is unparalled by any treatment we have to date. You take a 50 plus year old man with advanced alopecia and you can feed him propecia ad nauseum every day and you will not see anything even close to this in a 6 month time frame. The same with minoxidil.

20 injections is nothing. People get 10-20 freaking botox injections into the most sensitive portions of their faces multiple times per. So long as it's safe, there is absolutely no reason they can't do a 100-200-500 or a thousand or more injections. Whatever the %&^* it takes to get a result. Any pain associated with this type of approach (though it's probably no worse than dermarolling your head) could be handled with local anaesthetia.

I understand your critical approach. There's been enough garbage and over hype through the years to make even the most optimistic person cynical. But, these results are a big step forward. I only wish they were proceeding faster...i need the help now, not in 4 years.

[Dan26]

Originally Posted by The Alchemist

The male patient in their photos appears to be quite old and has fairly advanced AA. They made 20 injections on him. The efficacy of the injections is known to reside within a tight radius of the injection site. Based on that alone i wouldn't expect to see massive hair regrowth. However, He has easily visible, terminal hairs regrowing within a 6 month time frame. That type of result is unparalled by any treatment we have to date. You take a 50 plus year old man with advanced alopecia and you can feed him propecia ad nauseum every day and you will not see anything even close to this in a 6 month time frame. The same with minoxidil.

20 injections is nothing. People get 10-20 freaking botox injections into the most sensitive portions of their faces multiple times per. So long as it's safe, there is absolutely no reason they can't do a 100-200-500 or a thousand or more injections. Whatever the %&^* it takes to get a result. Any pain associated with this type of approach (though it's probably no worse than dermarolling your head) could be handled with local anaesthetia.

I understand your critical approach. There's been enough garbage and over hype through the years to make even the most optimistic person cynical. But, these results are a big step forward. I only wish they were proceeding faster...i need the help now, not in 4 years.

Do you know if they use traditional syringes to inject? I would think mesotherapy guns would be better?

I can't wait four years. I will infiltrate Histogen's headquarters and take their solution if I have to. I will call China, Korea, Russia; any lab that can replicate this hair stimulating complex for me. Stop at nothing bald brothers, stop at nothing.....

I think Highlanders' posts are starting to rub off on me.

[2020]

Originally Posted by Dan26

Why is it 'all or nothing' with HSC? Obviously HSC alone cannot fix the problem!!

why not? As I said before: the difference between 20% hair growth and 20,000% growth is the number of injections.

[yeahyeahyeah]

Originally Posted by 2020

why not? As I said before: the difference between 20% hair growth and 20,000% growth is the number of injections.

Maybe you need to give them a chance, they are still in phase 1

[rdawg]

Originally Posted by 2020

and I've asked you that: what other variables could they possibly change? More injections? How many injections could they possibly make? 1000?

not interested in wrinkles from minoxidil or eye color change from bimatoprost. It's all or nothing from HSC.

Pretty weird to expect all or nothing.

I mean using the big 3 NOW is good enough to gain a lot of hair for people, a solution like HSC will only add to the list of posibilities, the list of people who could be positively affected.

What other variables? I just told you and even Dan26 just mentioned, combining these products could produce awesome bald reversing results?

Are you ever going to be positive. And what's with the assumptions on Min and Bim, never heard of wrinkles from Minoxidil.

[rdawg]

Originally Posted by Dan26

Do you know if they use traditional syringes to inject? I would think mesotherapy guns would be better?

I can't wait four years. I will infiltrate Histogen's headquarters and take their solution if I have to. I will call China, Korea, Russia; any lab that can replicate this hair stimulating complex for me. Stop at nothing bald brothers, stop at nothing.....

I think Highlanders' posts are starting to rub off on me.

haha an idea would be to apply for Phase III or IIb, whatever's next, they are in need of patients probably, and you cant be on Fin or previously have taken fin so you'd fall under that category.

[Breaking Bald]

This is old, but have people on here seen it?

http://www [DOT] hairsite [DOT] com/hair-loss/board_entry-id-97029 [DOT] html#p97053

[Dan26]

2020 (in case you didn't see I want an answer!)

1) Reduce inflammation, reduce histamine response, inhibit pgd2 and increase pge2.

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2) Histogen (or something similar to it)

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3) Androgen Control *

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Halt hair loss AND regrow.

If you disagree, explain why please. I don't share a similar view in your expectations of histogen, not because I'm impressed by what histogen has showed us, but because what a few people who used something similar told me.

[Dan26]

Originally Posted by rdawg

haha an idea would be to apply for Phase III or IIb, whatever's next, they are in need of patients probably, and you cant be on Fin or previously have taken fin so you'd fall under that category.

Lol yea im in Canada though so its probably unrealistic, Ill look into it though.

[bigentries]

The worst looking patient is a male

Histogen seems to be a cure for females. That's great and all, but I'm not going to get excited until I see those kind of results with males