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[25 going on 65]

Any god who created pattern hair loss is a disgusting piece of shit.

[hellouser]

Originally Posted by ppxrare

Well I somewhat agree with you hellouser, I myself am not 100 percent convinced yet there is a God but I can understand why a person would be 100 percent convinced that there is because if there is an almighty and powerful God, don't you think its within his power to test our faith and whats the point of faith if you can scientifically prove that there is a God?

Why would our faith need to be tested? You do realize that faith and religion only depend on which part of the world your born in? If you were born in Texas, you'd probably be a Christian. If you were born in India, you'd probably be Hindu. If you were born in Egypt, you'd probably be Muslim. If in Israel, Jewish and if in Norway (my favourite) probably Atheist. Favourite being Norway because the country is socially way ahead of any other nation on the planet, looks like Atheism isnt such an evil force after all... or actual, no force at all since it doesnt have any agenda/rules/beliefs or special places to compare clothing on sundays.

I just find it pointless for this universe to exist without a creator or a goal. It can't all be random and just coincidences.

Why not? Whats it matter? Once we're going to be 6 feet under its not going to make a lick of a difference. I'm not worried about dying because I'm an atheist and when I die I won't even know it, why? Because I'll be dead. Creator or no creator, religion has been responsible for some of, if not most of the worlds most disgusting crimes. How anyone can advocate religion is beyond me.

[hellouser]

Originally Posted by 25 going on 65

Any god who created pattern hair loss is a disgusting piece of shit.

Yeah, the lord works in mysterious ways.... lol. Theres nothing mysterious about being an asshole! To quote Jim Jefferies:

Religious people will forgive god for ****ing anything. In their mind he does good things. Rainbows. Children’s laughter. Shit like that, right? But when he does bad things like hurricanes, aids, cancer, child molestation, then we just go ‘ah well… god works in mysterious ways’. What type of an excuse is that? What is mysterious about acting like a ****ing asshole? That is like the least mysterious activity since the dawn of time! If I ever date a religious girl she’s gonna come home and I’m gonna be raping her mum, right, and she’s gonna look at me and go ‘What are you doing!?’ and I’m gonna go ‘I’m mysterious! I've always been mysterious!'.

[25 going on 65]

Awful but exactly accurate. If any of us here had unlimited power, none of us would be so screwed up in the head that we would inflict disease, hunger, torture, rape, murder on so many people who were only in the wrong place at the wrong time. But apparently we are not even supposed to hold a "perfect being" to as high of a standard as we hold some slob on the internet!

[ppxrare]

Well helouser, that was a question troubling me also. Let's assume Islam was the correct religion, if I were born to a christian family or an atheist family then is it my shitty luck that I wasn't born to the correct religion.

So I asked this question to many educated Muslims and I got the same answer. Nobody knows how God (if he exists) will judge us, All the religions are made from god and of course it would be better if one were to be in the last or correct religion but as long as a person is good and tries his best to maintain the rules God has given him/her then he/she should be fine.

God is perfect, we aren't. Religion wars were started by us. If this was an exam, whats the point of it if you know all the answers? Whats the point of life as a test if it was all perfect?

At the end in my opinion, there is no way to scientifically prove that God does or doesn't exist. You will always find a counter-argument to anything. I myself will try to play it safe, I will try and enjoy my life without harming anyone even though it might be against my religion ( smoking weed, drinking, having sex) but also do the things that I am asked of like praying, fasting, giving money to the poor etc...

I do appreciate that all the things which religion (in my case the Quran) forbids is truly for our best interest.

[25 going on 65]

If God created man and man created religious wars, then god created religious wars. Also rape, murder, etc
Clearly he wouldn't be perfect if he existed, in fact he would be worse than basically every human being in history. He would make Hitler look like a decent guy by comparison.

[hellouser]

Originally Posted by ppxrare

Well helouser, that was a question troubling me also. Let's assume Islam was the correct religion, if I were born to a christian family or an atheist family then is it my shitty luck that I wasn't born to the correct religion.

So I asked this question to many educated Muslims and I got the same answer. Nobody knows how God (if he exists) will judge us, All the religions are made from god and of course it would be better if one were to be in the last or correct religion but as long as a person is good and tries his best to maintain the rules God has given him/her then he/she should be fine.

God is perfect, we aren't. Religion wars were started by us. If this was an exam, whats the point of it if you know all the answers? Whats the point of life as a test if it was all perfect?

At the end in my opinion, there is no way to scientifically prove that God does or doesn't exist. You will always find a counter-argument to anything. I myself will try to play it safe, I will try and enjoy my life without harming anyone even though it might be against my religion ( smoking weed, drinking, having sex) but also do the things that I am asked of like praying, fasting, giving money to the poor etc...

I do appreciate that all the things which religion (in my case the Quran) forbids is truly for our best interest.

You do realize that all the things that are forbidden in Islam are man made rules and are purely subjective. Even if god were to exist, the assumption that there would be judgement is another fabrication.

Theres no scientific method to disprove god exists because there is no evidence *at all* (this is an indisputable fact) of a god in the first place. Scripture doesnt count either as they are written by man. Fact is, god was created in mans image.

[Highlander]

Originally Posted by ppxrare

Well helouser, that was a question troubling me also. Let's assume Islam was the correct religion, if I were born to a christian family or an atheist family then is it my shitty luck that I wasn't born to the correct religion.

So I asked this question to many educated Muslims and I got the same answer. Nobody knows how God (if he exists) will judge us, All the religions are made from god and of course it would be better if one were to be in the last or correct religion but as long as a person is good and tries his best to maintain the rules God has given him/her then he/she should be fine.

God is perfect, we aren't. Religion wars were started by us. If this was an exam, whats the point of it if you know all the answers? Whats the point of life as a test if it was all perfect?

At the end in my opinion, there is no way to scientifically prove that God does or doesn't exist. You will always find a counter-argument to anything. I myself will try to play it safe, I will try and enjoy my life without harming anyone even though it might be against my religion ( smoking weed, drinking, having sex) but also do the things that I am asked of like praying, fasting, giving money to the poor etc...

I do appreciate that all the things which religion (in my case the Quran) forbids is truly for our best interest.

**** Islam.

[Highlander]

Originally Posted by 25 going on 65

blah blah blah

I have almost given up debating about religion on the Internet, but this kind of warrants a response. Even if it's going to be half-arsed as it's nearly 1am and I'm super tired.

God didn't "create" war, famine, etc. If a world is going to exist wherein people are to be judged for their actions then there needs to be a way for people to act out in both good and bad ways. The fire that warms you can to burn you, the water that sustains you can drown you. It's a matter of free will.

God has given us humans the gift of free will. You can choose to be a moral agent in this world, or you can choose not to. If you have no ability to be bad, then you are forever going to be good. Which would mean you would not have the ability to act according to any will of your own, merely you'd be living in a world governed by determinism.

It's easy to blame God for the famine and ills of the world, but I don't think anybody would doubt that countries like the USA could single-handedly solve the third world problems. So why is it God's fault that we as humans are failing to act on these problems which WE'VE created and WE CAN solve?

It's also worth nothing that the Vatican gives more aid and money to Africa than any other country in the world. That's rather embarassing if you ask me. But perhaps not as embarassing as the marxist hippies blogging away on their Macbooks sipping Starbucks, vehemently attacking the Church for its "evil work" - as they'd have it - in Africa.

Finally, I'd like to hear a serious rebuttal to this next point as I feel it's highly valid. Einstein once said something to the effect of "If the world were to live by the teachings of Jesus Christ then I have no doubt that all the social problems of the world would be solved". I ask you, is this not true? Imagine a world where we all abstained before marriage? STD's would no longer become a relevant problem. Imagine we truly helped out neighbours out and sought to apply the Golden Rule in all aspects of life? I could go on, but I think you get the point.

[gmonasco]

Originally Posted by Highlander

Finally, I'd like to hear a serious rebuttal to this next point as I feel it's highly valid. Einstein once said something to the effect of "If the world were to live by the teachings of Jesus Christ then I have no doubt that all the social problems of the world would be solved". I ask you, is this not true?

It's certainly not true that Einstein said that. He never said anything remotely like that -- in fact, he said just the opposite:

"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary."