Do Looks matter

[NeedHairASAP]

Originally Posted by beatinghairloss

Lifes always worth living. There may not be a god in the context you are used to hearing it from the bible or koran. However I use reason based on the belief that he complexity of the cells in a leaf let alone all the organisms on the planet clearly support an intelligent designer. It’s a belief that uses this really cool analogy and truthfully they refute all religious claims of saviors or prophets. They more or less believe the motions that created earth must have been created by something due to the complexity of earth. They say this, If you found a watch in the middle of a dense forest and I asked you how old it was. You may be able to narrow it down within a decade or so but if I told you it was a million years old you would call me crazy. Why? Because a human had to have created it due to the complexity of it. No animal or natural process could have done it by mere chance. Well the earth’s complexity is far greater than that which really makes you wonder what created us. What that designer is I have no clue, does that designer intervene? I have had no spiritual intervention? Does an intelligent designer exist? I think so.

spinoza


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[Highlander]

Originally Posted by beatinghairloss

Lifes always worth living. There may not be a god in the context you are used to hearing it from the bible or koran. However I use reason based on the belief that he complexity of the cells in a leaf let alone all the organisms on the planet clearly support an intelligent designer. It’s a belief that uses this really cool analogy and truthfully they refute all religious claims of saviors or prophets. They more or less believe the motions that created earth must have been created by something due to the complexity of earth. They say this, If you found a watch in the middle of a dense forest and I asked you how old it was. You may be able to narrow it down within a decade or so but if I told you it was a million years old you would call me crazy. Why? Because a human had to have created it due to the complexity of it. No animal or natural process could have done it by mere chance. Well the earth’s complexity is far greater than that which really makes you wonder what created us. What that designer is I have no clue, does that designer intervene? I have had no spiritual intervention? Does an intelligent designer exist? I think so.

Spinoza's God. I like this way of thinking, actually.

Anyway, my question is then that if a creator is assumed to exist, why should we assume he isn't a Personal Creator, and why shouldn't we assume he cares about us enough to provide some form of revelation.

[Benzzro]

You guys should think about suicide, your whinging sickens me.

[beatinghairloss]

Originally Posted by Highlander

Spinoza's God. I like this way of thinking, actually.

Anyway, my question is then that if a creator is assumed to exist, why should we assume he isn't a Personal Creator, and why shouldn't we assume he cares about us enough to provide some form of revelation.

I agree if that creator is powerful enough to create the universe I can only imagine it must have intimate feeling invested in each of our lives. This is why at times I pray but I don't go to church. Furthermore, I find most religions to be counter productive as they rely on mythical miracles to convince people of a creators existence rather then pure reason.

[Highlander]

Originally Posted by beatinghairloss

I agree if that creator is powerful enough to create the universe I can only imagine it must have intimate feeling invested in each of our lives. This is why at times I pray but I don't go to church. Furthermore, I find most religions to be counter productive as they rely on mythical miracles to convince people of a creators existence rather then pure reason.

That's why I believe in a Natural Law in terms of the Roman Catholic understanding of it. I think if a religion is relying on "ta dah" miracles and because-the-book-said-so circular logic, then its merits would be questionable.

Roman Catholics get a massively bad rap by so many people, but in all my studies, they must be by far the most sane out their in terms of their beliefs. And I say this based on a wide range of things.

[ppxrare]

I was born a Muslim and like anyone growing up came to a point where I questioned my beliefs. I'm at a point now where I can't be 100 percent sure there is a God or there isn't but so many stuff in this world show us how clueless us humans can be about certain things. How scientists believe they know everything until a small thing comes up and shows how incompetent they are.

That is why I find the atheists kind of stupid, how can you be certain 100 percent that there is no God with all the things around you which point to a certain creator. In my opinion I think most probably there is a God, Very difficult for me to imagine that all this is a coincidence. That is why I am now trying to play it safe, do what I can in terms of what my religion asks me to do and the things I can't or am not willing to give up, I will hope God forgives me.

To be honest,the things the Koran or other religious books asks us to do are always for our benefit and you have to keep in mind that many things that people think they hate in the Koran are misinterpreted wrong or just fabricated. That's why when I get to a point in my life where I do think I'm 100 percent sure of God's existence I think the most logical of the religions is the Koran even though all of them are from God. Of course that is my opinion only.

[FlightTL]

Perhaps, women will not tell us, but perhaps, they really want a guy with full hair!

[BGP]

Originally Posted by ppxrare

That is why I find the atheists kind of stupid, how can you be certain 100 percent that there is no God with all the things around you which point to a certain creator.

I don't think many atheists would make any claim with 100% certainty. All we say is that since there is no evidence that god exists, we cannot hold that as a valid belief. And 'evidence' is considered to be something that can withstand the scrutiny of the scientific process.

[hellouser]

Originally Posted by ppxrare

That is why I find the atheists kind of stupid, how can you be certain 100 percent that there is no God with all the things around you which point to a certain creator.

The same criticism should be made of those that are 100 percent certain that there IS a god.

[ppxrare]

Well I somewhat agree with you hellouser, I myself am not 100 percent convinced yet there is a God but I can understand why a person would be 100 percent convinced that there is because if there is an almighty and powerful God, don't you think its within his power to test our faith and whats the point of faith if you can scientifically prove that there is a God?

I just find it pointless for this universe to exist without a creator or a goal. It can't all be random and just coincidences.