Aderans

[2020]

Originally Posted by WashedOut

Mature hairline is not a myth. There are 80 year old guys out there with V shaped hairlines and they die with hair. Maybe if they live to be 150 years old they will go bald but who knows/cares.

normal hairline + hair loss = mature hairline.

They still have hair loss it's just that their loss has not yet advanced far enough....

[WashedOut]

Originally Posted by 2020

normal hairline + hair loss = mature hairline.

They still have hair loss it's just that their loss has not yet advanced far enough....

But does it mean that all these men are destined to go bald? If every man with mature hairline lived to the age of 200 would they all be bald? That is the question.

[2020]

Originally Posted by WashedOut

But does it mean that all these men are destined to go bald? If every man with mature hairline lived to the age of 200 would they all be bald? That is the question.

probably... show me a "mature" hairline that happened in someone's twenties and where it hasn't changed in the next 20 years....


this is what a person who will NEVER EVER go bald looks like:



Joe Eszterhas, age 67

[WashedOut]

Originally Posted by 2020

probably... show me a "mature" hairline that happened in someone's twenties and where it hasn't changed in the next 20 years....


this is what a person who will NEVER EVER go bald looks like:



Joe Eszterhas, age 67

Ted Kennedy in 1964



Ted Kennedy in 2008

[2020]

interesting.... that usually never happens

[yeahyeahyeah]

shit, my hairline is like ted kennedys.

[UK_]

Wow, what a difference hair makes eh? You can bet your ass there's shit loads of politicians that have taken a knock back just for being bald.

[Kiwi]

Originally Posted by Maradona

Wow you make me look like a good guy.

But the guy is right that's what aderans is doing in essence: practicing.

Aderans goal right now and expectations are not to give you a brad pitt hairline.

It is impossible at this point because they are only using DHT resistant derma papilla and derma sheath cells. These cells only produce hair fiber when they are stimulated by other cells or "follicular stem cells" "progenitor cells" whatever you wanna call it. Also the hair thickness is proportional to the number of these cells.

So their ji-gami combinations are most likely made of different cultured cells from different parts of the follicles with different concentrations + DP cells to see which of these ji-gami series gives you a more consistent and better results on all stages of MPB.

They simply are picking up on the mistakes of intercytex and trying to improve their product. So it is expected that they will be better than them or at least more consistent.

Obviously (at least to me), they will not be able and they are aware they will not restore nw7s to nw1s with nice and fully functioning Brad pitt follicles especially with the discovery that those guys at Tokyo did. You need many things into play to achieve such result.

Their main goal is to make money and how? Well they already have Bosley or are Bosley.

So they will be satisfied to increase overall density along with transplants to give you a realistic non-balding look. For example transplanted hair can be put all over the scalp with really low density and these new follicles from aderans will fill in the gaps, assuming they are successful in increasing the shaft diameter of new and existing miniaturized follicles.

It can also increase shaft diameter of existing follicles. The main problem is consistency. Even if you have the miniaturized follicles it might not be possible to do this in practice and this is what they have been working on.

And yes these guys are testing on advanced stage pattern baldness, they are the only ones.

I am not sure which part of the scalp though.

I think aderans will be the first to come to market but it's not the cure we are all expecting, some will find this useful.

That's my opinion.

Thank god it's only your OPINION.

Aderans was developing their product before Intercytex went bust and bought their assets / research when they closed down.

Therefore you're a little wrong about what Adrerans is doing. If anything they are probably trying to refine their product with whatever small results Intercytex was demonstrating.

Anyway I hope you are right about the ability to gain extra density )

By the way who is this noob whiny douche bag you're talking too? He needs to shut the **** up - he can spread his gay ass moans elsewhere. Don't encourage her!!!

[Maradona]

Originally Posted by 2020

probably... show me a "mature" hairline that happened in someone's twenties and where it hasn't changed in the next 20 years....


this is what a person who will NEVER EVER go bald looks like:



Joe Eszterhas, age 67

This is what my maternal grandfather looks like but he is 80. It just shows you there is no such thing as senile alopecia, almost everyone has the balding gene. They just bald really slow and at old age.

[JRQ]

I have dealt with Aderans for the past year and a half...the clinical site that I was going to have my trial at unfortunately closed due to lack of participation. However, here is the best timeline I can give you from my own personal involvement-

Phase 2 was just finally closed starting around February of this year. Seeing as how the trial takes 52 weeks to 'complete', we have a bit of a wait. I would estimate they are now around 18 weeks in to the last round of phase 2 participants, leaving us with around 34 weeks until phase 2 results are to be announced, with phase 3 hopefully following soon thereafter. This equates to a date of apr. mid February 2013 for phase 2 results and phase 3 to possibly begin.

I will also say that having dealt with them for so long, they are now much, much more confident than in my earlier experiences with them. This is subjective on my part, however they seem to be much more aggressive than before, leading me to believe they have a product they can truly count on for efficacy and results. I'm as pessimistic as they come, and I have my eggs in their basket. The science seems to be the most straightforward and tested of those out there, and regardless of what naysayers spew, investors will NOT put the amount of money that Aderans Research has been allocated unless some tangible product will soon be derived from years of research. Just my opinion, but I'm personally watching them very closely.