Having HST procedure in a few weeks

[didi]

This is very very interesting, how come nobody talked about unsuccessfull HST extractions before, GC you never mentioned this before?

Gc
'That's a great point Arashi, on my next procedure I will also count how many drills are made vs the clicks. Although I'm sure I would have been able to tell if it was actually 2:1'


2 to 1 ratio... means its safe to assume that HALF of hairs we thought were 'regenerated' were in fact just growing unsuccessfull extractions...
but it also means that ones we thought didnt regenerate(15%) may regenerate later on...


BTW, does Gho separate grafts in petri dish or he just crams singles,doubles and triples in one partition of dish,?

[Arashi]

but it also means that ones we thought didnt regenerate(15&#37 may regenerate later on...

Exactly ! It also makes a lot of sense (at least to me). In order to regrow, the hair follicle has to repair itself first, using stem cells. Only after it repaired the damaged tissue it can start regrowing, so it makes a lot of sense for this to occur MUCH later than just 1 week. So that's why it's important to have some reference points (like a mole) so you can easily compare pictures, even after for example 5 months.

Kristel herself said, that the more tissue that gets damaged/extracted the longer it takes to grow the hair back. Hence the unextracted grafts grow back hair the fastest (the least damage to the follicle tissue) and succesful extractions take longer (but I don't know HOW long that may be).

BTW, does Gho separate grafts in petri dish or he just crams singles,doubles and triples in one partition of dish,?

Didn't pay attention to it myself unfortunately ... Wish I had, would love to have known how many singles, dual and tripple grafts were used ...

[didi]

Would it be wise to advise every future HST patient to ask Gho to extract as many triples as possible, im sure everyone have 1500-2000 3s , since he can cherry pick grafts why not.

You are getting better return on your money, Unless you do hairline where you need singles but for crown and midscalp 3s and 4s are gold.

Does it make sense

[534623]

It was dr Kristel van Herwijnen herself, who told me that the 'regrowth' within the first week most likely were just *unextracted* grafts growing hair back. She's so convinced in their technology that she doesn't have to con people. She just tells it how it is.

Sure, I understand:
According to you, Dr.Kristel van Herwijnen told you, that her boss, Dr. Coen Gho …

Source (page 8)

… is not only fooling his patients, but also the whole research community, because all his published, labeled and discussed pics in his scientific papers just show “*unextracted* grafts growing hair back” within 1 week. That means, NO 2 hairs from 1.

Furthermore, she told you, that she herself is fooling her patients …

Video/Source: hasci.com - Naar de kliniek (Going to the clinic), Season 4, Episode 4, Sander Kuijer, 15 January 2011

… and is showing them after one week with a video microscope just the “*unextracted* grafts growing hair back” – and the patient is happy (see pic above) because he is thinking he got “donor regeneration” (aka “2 hairs from 1”).

So, that’s what she told you and “She just tells it how it is.” – namely, everything is just fraud and fooling people. lol

Hey gc83uk - and all the other HSCI patients out there – BEWARE!
All the extraction sites in your photos just show “*unextracted* grafts growing hair back” and therefore I think that all the growing hairs, which you can see in your recipient area/photos after having the procedure, are just hair producing follicles which Dr. Gho bought in the supermarket next to his clinic on the day of your treatment. lol

[Arashi]

Why don't you mail her yourself if you don't believe me ? And I don't like how you're twisting mine and her words at all. There's something seriously wrong with you ...

[Arashi]

These were her exact words from her email, when I asked if regeneration within 1 week was possible:

"Dat is inderdaad in het donorgebied binnen een week al mogelijk. Dit zijn ook vaak de follikels welke tijdens het wegnemen van de grafts vroegtijdig zijn doorgesneden en welke geen goede graft hebben opgeleverd waardoor er veel weefsel is achtergebleven en dus onmiddellijk doorgroeit.""

[534623]

Why don't you mail her yourself if you don't believe me ? And I don't like how you're twisting mine and her words at all. There's something seriously wrong with you ...

No boy, something's seriously wrong with you ...

Ik had HASCI nog even gemailed met de vraag of hergroei al zo snel mogelijk was. Dit was het antwoord:

"Dat is inderdaad in het donorgebied binnen een week al mogelijk. Dit zijn ook vaak de follikels welke tijdens het wegnemen van de grafts vroegtijdig zijn doorgesneden en welke geen goede garft hebben opgeleverd waardoor er veel weefsel is achtergebleven en dus onmiddellijk doorgroeit."

... and YOU're the one who is completely "twisting her words". Seems you don't even understand in your own language, what she tried to tell/explain you - namely, THE SAME what Dr. Gho explained in his scientific papers - see pic in my posts above.

[Arashi]

I'm really not sure what else to tell you, dear Iron Man. If you think that you as a German are better at Dutch than I am (native Dutch) and you believe she's saying something different, so be it, I don't care anymore what YOU do or do not believe.

[Arashi]

Hehe. The most funny part was when you said you knew better than I knew myself what *I* had said (regarding you so called working under one hat with others), LOL. You know better what people are saying than they know themselves. You must be a very gifted character, dear mr Iron man.

[Arashi]

Seems you don't even understand in your own language, what she tried to tell/explain you - namely, THE SAME what Dr. Gho explained in his scientific papers - see pic in my posts above.

Nah I'm probably too stupid to understand what she's REALLY saying even though she speaks the same language as I natively do. Luckily you as a German are not only REALLY good at Dutch, you know better what people are saying than they know themselves, regardless the language they're speaking.

[didi]

'That is indeed the donor area within a week possible. These are also often the follicles which during the early removal of the grafts were cut, and which do not have yielded good graft so that there is much tissue has been left behind and is therefore immediately by growing'


google translator

[Arashi]

'That is indeed the donor area within a week possible. These are also often the follicles which during the early removal of the grafts were cut, and which do not have yielded good graft so that there is much tissue has been left behind and is therefore immediately by growing'


google translator

I'd translate it as:

"That is indeed, already within one week, possible in the donor area. These often times also are the follicles which have been prematurely cut during extraction and which didn't yield a good graft, leaving a lot of tissue behind and thus immediately growing back".

But hey, that's just me, what do I know, I'm Dutch but obviously not too bright .... I'm sure Iron man has a (WAY) better translation, with a TOTALLY different meaning.

[didi]

My understanding is that growth in donor area we see after a week is result of BOTH regenerated hair AND 'unsuccessfull extractions' , hairs that were never transferred to recepient area.




Can we get confirmation from HASCI in English, directly from Dr Gho if possible

[Arashi]

She's saying that donor regeneration is possible within 1 week but that these often times are the grafts that were not extracted succesfully.

[gc83uk]

This is very very interesting, how come nobody talked about unsuccessfull HST extractions before, GC you never mentioned this before?

Gc
'That's a great point Arashi, on my next procedure I will also count how many drills are made vs the clicks. Although I'm sure I would have been able to tell if it was actually 2:1'


2 to 1 ratio... means its safe to assume that HALF of hairs we thought were 'regenerated' were in fact just growing unsuccessfull extractions...
but it also means that ones we thought didnt regenerate(15%) may regenerate later on...


BTW, does Gho separate grafts in petri dish or he just crams singles,doubles and triples in one partition of dish,?

Didi, that's because I had never considered FAILED extractions. I really don't think I had any, hence that's why I haven't mentioned it before, however I'll make a conscious effort to count next time!

Plus, when you look through my pictures again, there are about 50 bloody zones, you can't say or anybody else can't really say that these 50 zones are FAILED extraction zones. The maths just don't add up.

It doesn't really make sense in my case. I think this Dr is being on the cautious side and 'covering themselves', because they don't want patients screaming at them after 5 days saying why aren't my grafts growing back.

The facts are: the red bloody zones are the extraction zones.
Of those zones, 85% of them grown back in the sample area within a week to 2 weeks. JJJrs (I'm sure it was him), said he observed another area which also shown a similar regeneration area of 85%.