piloxll:new israeli method combines wounding+ zi/cu ions to destroy dht in the scalp

[rhysmorgan]

Those photo's were 100% confirmed fake. The hairs in the macro photo's didn't match and when a forum member corrected the pictures for lighting, there was NO visible change at all. This means that even if the hairs in the macro photo's WOULD match, it still would be from a different patient. In other words, this is 100% UNDENIABLE proof vraf posted fake and doctered photo's. Which means he's working for Pilox and the whole thing is obviously a scam, no way around it anymore.

Then, it turned out Yoram was working for a clinic which sold tons of snake oil therapies, like acupuncture and even therapies where they applied blood suckers to humans to stimulate hairgrowth. If you still believe there's something real here, man, then you DESERVE to get scammed.

Oh and to assuage guilt by association is a generally problematic way to discredit someone.

[bigentries]

This kind of mentality is incredibly arrogant. Essentially you are vouching for a social class that feeds off of another's shortcomings. Pretty disgusting if you ask me.

Nobody deserves to be scammed... not unless your name is Dr. Nigam.

Of course no one deserves to be scammed, no one. I hate charlatans, I have several cases in my family, those shaped me as I grew up

It breaks my heart seeing someone I love to be ripped off because of superticious thinking or ignorance against mainstream medicine. But some if them didn't got the lesson until everything went downhill

It makes you tired, to the point you wish they get scammed already

Take you for example, how many times did I point you out the russian site and you just evaded the question or said you just "dismissed it"? Can't you see how I would wish you to get scammed then? No matter what I said, you just didn't want to listen about it for some reason

That's why I say you need to slow your enthusiasm. The circus you and others did about dermarolling on *** is going to stay forever on the internet, and in a few years a complete noob is going to read all the stories about regrowth in two weeks and semen just to have his hopes destroyed

[Arashi]

The other person debating you said it was from a tattoo in the thinner region and from what I could see, this was a reasonable explanation.

So you think that's a reasonable explanation, eh ... Then please try to match the blue numbers in this picture that vraf posted:

http://cdn.imghack.se/images/df6f62547f2027bc7215a9bc28ab3b9b.jpg

Good luck with that. Obviously this is a different before-after region. Secondly, this is the colour corrected zoomed out photo: http://postimg.org/image/9bozrpfbt/full/

Now tell me, which one is the before photo and which one is the after photo ? There is NO difference at all ! While there's a huge difference in the macro photo's (which, again, don't even match).

Then, somebody found the russian clinic Yoram works for. Use google translate to navigate: http://www.ihc-russia.ru/therapy/hirudotherapy/ They offer tons of snake oil therapies, even including blood sucking leeches for hair growth.

Really, Nigam is even a better scammer than those guys at Pilox ...

[Arashi]

It makes you tired, to the point you wish they get scammed already

And that's EXACTLY what I'm saying. Of course nobody 'deserves' to get scammed. But some of those guys on the hairloss forum just won't listen to reason ... Like how somebody at this point can still defend Nigam (like Freddy555 over at HS still does), is really beyond me ... At some point I'm like, ok then, just go to somebody like Nigam already, have him inject some illegal substances, watch your hair in your donor die and say goodbye to your $10.000. Oh and don't come complaining here if you get diagnosed with cancer a few years after visiting Nigam, because he injected illegal, animal grade serum. You were warned a million times.

[deuce]

Arashi thanks for your research and expertise. Do you see anything hopeful in the near future for hairloss suffers that looks promising. What do you believe in?

[HairBane]

If you still believe there's something real here, man, then you DESERVE to get scammed.

Of course nobody 'deserves' to get scammed.

lol

[Arashi]

Arashi thanks for your research and expertise. Do you see anything hopeful in the near future for hairloss suffers that looks promising. What do you believe in?

Two years ago, Tsuji lab took adult DP cells from human donors, basically combined them with epithelial cells, also taken from humans and hair grew: http://www.tsuji-lab.com/en/pdf/Toyo...ncomms1784.pdf

The problem was getting enough of those DP cells: DP cells, unlike the epithelial cells, couldn't be expanded in culture. So, the only last part of the puzzle remained: how to get enough DP cells.

Jahoda showed last year that DP cells CAN be cultured and still be used, unfortunately his method wasn't good enough yet and has to be improved. An other group of researchers in Taiwan has developed a slightly alternate method to culture DP cells and is going to start clinical trials soon: http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=15412

There are several groups looking into this last part of the puzzle. Tsuji lab themselves are also not sitting still. They're looking into an alternative source of DP cells: stem cells. Another group of researchers showed us recently that they could take skin cells, convert them into stem cells and then differentiate those into epethelial cells. If this works for DP cells in a similar way, then that's also a solution to the problem.

So, basically, we're just 1 step away from a REAL cure and there are even 2 different possible paths that lead to that cure: culturing DP cells and differentiating stem cells into DP cells. Several groups of researchers are working on it. Clinical trials are even starting soon. I'm confident that we'll have a cure, at least at the preclinical level, within 2 years. Of course it would still need to go through clinical trials, but you can bet your ass that there will be alternatives available in less regulated countries, once the science is out. Of course that's theoretically dangerous but not all those non western doctors are Nigams ...

[Arashi]

lol

You do realize I'm relativating my previous statement. Hellouser made it look like I don't care about people getting scammed. The opposite is true and that's what motivates me. If I only saved one person from going to Nigam and having lost $10.000, damaged his donor and possibly gotten cancer from animal grade serum, then it was all worth it.

[locke999]

You do realize I'm relativating my previous statement. Hellouser made it look like I don't care about people getting scammed. The opposite is true and that's what motivates me. If I only saved one person from going to Nigam and having lost $10.000, damaged his donor and possibly gotten cancer from animal grade serum, then it was all worth it.

Arashi, that's very noble but I unlike you don't give a crap if people get scammed or not. If they do not have common sense, then it's their fault. The only reason I would care is that I don't want the scammers to make any money, as I hate them more.

[clarence]

We all care... Jarjarbinx get scammed, and we'll all get a break.

[hellouser]

Take you for example, how many times did I point you out the russian site

Never, actually. Don't be delusional.

and you just evaded the question

Hard to evade when you werent the one that point it out.

or said you just "dismissed it"?

Yup, I didn't make anything of it because I don't understand Russian.

Can't you see how I would wish you to get scammed then? No matter what I said, you just didn't want to listen about it for some reason

You're an idiot, lol.

That's why I say you need to slow your enthusiasm.

Please, quote me anywhere from any of the hair loss forums where I showed any kind of 'enthusiasm'. Don't bother though, you won't find any. I was impressed with the photos, I showed curiosity.

Curiosity ≠ Enthusiasm.

The circus you and others did about dermarolling on *** is going to stay forever on the internet, and in a few years a complete noob is going to read all the stories about regrowth in two weeks and semen just to have his hopes destroyed

You have me confused for Squeegee. There was no 'circus' from me.

Question:
Can you please stop being an idiot? You're a broken record posting mostly bullshit.

[Arashi]

Can you please stop being an idiot? You're a broken record posting mostly bullshit.

Come on guys, let's keep it decent here, no need to go down the Ironman road.

[hellouser]

Come on guys, let's keep it decent here, no need to go down the Ironman road.

Yeah, let's keep things honest on the forums #trollsneednotcomment

[rhysmorgan]

So you think that's a reasonable explanation, eh ... Then please try to match the blue numbers in this picture that vraf posted:

http://cdn.imghack.se/images/df6f62547f2027bc7215a9bc28ab3b9b.jpg

Good luck with that. Obviously this is a different before-after region. Secondly, this is the colour corrected zoomed out photo: http://postimg.org/image/9bozrpfbt/full/

Now tell me, which one is the before photo and which one is the after photo ? There is NO difference at all ! While there's a huge difference in the macro photo's (which, again, don't even match).

Then, somebody found the russian clinic Yoram works for. Use google translate to navigate: http://www.ihc-russia.ru/therapy/hirudotherapy/ They offer tons of snake oil therapies, even including blood sucking leeches for hair growth.

Really, Nigam is even a better scammer than those guys at Pilox ...

Yes I had a look at that myself in detail before you posted the blue numbers. I agree some blue numbers aren't in the same place, but I'd also say that the scalp is a living, moving, object and I'm not entirely sure how static hair follicles would appear over time (skin tightness, hair direction, photograpic conditions, angle, focus etc.) I recall histogen photos had similar apparent 'inconsistencies'.

My only conclusion to those photos is that they are non conclusive and while there is some stuff to question as you've pointed out, this is in no way enough evidence for me to label pilox a scam, in the same way I cannot confirm the veracity of these photos.

[Scientalk56]

Well, as an Israeli, I never heard about Piloxll product thing... and i don't think he will be able to sell it here in israel.. he needs the ministry of health approval. Rules here are strict...that's why i guess he's trying to sell it abroad..