Spencer Kobren Interviews Dr. Jerry Cooley | ACell MatriStem Plucked Hair

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by mlao

I think you should CAREFULLY read the interview it implies that in theory a person could have an unlimited donor supply. You pluck a hair from the donor area which grows back, you apply the acell to the plucked hair, you implant that hair and it produces a new hair.

---

I think if you CAREFULLY read my post you will know that you don't answer my question.






I am just saying, unlimited donor is only important if you need big, big transplants done. Not so? I admit I don't fully understand everything. But I doubt this changes much for me since I don't need that many grafts. This will only make a HT more expensive for me. For a norwood 4+ this is definitely good news though.

You are young and everyone on this site has been supportive to you from your first post.
If you were 45 and there was no other cure available to you this would be the Holy Grail.
Nobody can truly predict future hair loss I have seen guys who were perfect, thick NW1s until the reached 40 and then in a matter of 4 years became NW4s. This is truly a break thru but I guess a guy like me will never be as smart as you!!!

lol What are we even arguing about.


I agree this is a huge huge step in the right direction. This might even make some completely bald people(that have a lot of money) into norwood 3-2's again. This is really good.


I am just not that full of hope at all right now. This doesn't change anything for me. I can't afford to travel to get a HT and then pay for it also. Even if I could... FUE has bad yield and FUT has room for too much complications. HTs aren't that great right now at all in my opinion... This is still a HT. Just a more complicated one for someone with donor.


I am being a ass probably. But I also try to help people here. I doubt we all come here when we are full of optimism about life and all that.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by KeepTheHair

lol What are we even arguing about.


I agree this is a huge huge step in the right direction. This might even make some completely bald people(that have a lot of money) into norwood 3-2's again. This is really good.


I am just not that full of hope at all right now. This doesn't change anything for me. I can't afford to travel to get a HT and then pay for it also. Even if I could... FUE has bad yield and FUT has room for too much complications. HTs aren't that great right now at all in my opinion... This is still a HT. Just a more complicated one for someone with donor.


I am being a ass probably. But I also try to help people here. I doubt we all come here when we are full of optimism about life and all that.

---

You should look at it in perspective; In the late 50s and early 60s when Dr. Orentreich began performing transplantation it was akin to science fiction.
In the 80s when Minoxidil became available and proved to be effective it was another advancement and in the late 90s when FUT and Finasteride were introduced even better advancements.
Acell while in its infancy might move the ball forward like the above mentioned therapies.
One of the major complaints of guys who get transplants done is the limited availability of donor hair and the scaring.
If this is perfected and there is less or no scaring and more donor hair I call that a big step forward.
While it is early days yet the hair restoration community seems to be looking into this in a big way. Since the announcement I have seen two highly respected doctors post on their blogs that they are starting to experiment with Acell.
Hair loss is an ongoing condition and until someone or some company releases a product that can halt it in its tracks we will continue to look at ways to prevent it.
I don't want to sound rude but this forum is not just about you. It's a community where ideas, opinions, and advancements are discussed by everyone.

I’ve been a big fan of Spencer Kobren for many years now but I seldom take the time to thank him for what he does for all of us. THANKS SPENCER for helping all of us get through this crazy hair loss thing! Dr. Cooley I’m very exciting about this breakthrough, thank you for keeping us posted here. I missed you on Spencer’s show last Tuesday, will you be doing another show because I would like to call in to ask you a couple of questions?

Thank you again!
Paul

"I am being a ass probably. "
========================

KeepTheHair, not just probably :rolleyes:

Hello everyone, I have just registered.
Thanks to Kobren and Dr. Cooley for making this possible.

Question for Dr. Cooley:
Once you have confirmed that the cloned hairs are durable (they cycle after plucking, and they don't get affected by DHT), and the donor area regenerates with no problems, do you intend to attempt a full restauration of a very bald person, to demonstrate the technique in its full colours?

I am saying this because there is another doctor out there (Dr. Gho) who, for many years have claimed that he is able to multiply hair with relatively high yields, but the most he is willing to do is 1500 FU's per year (tipically 800 FU/year), and patients can't even verify if the hair was really multiplied or it was simply a normal FUE. Apparently, Gho has no intention whatsoever in making a full restauration to convince the sceptics.
Do you plan to follow Gho's "commercial strategy"?

thanks!
(I have more questions/suggestions, but I will deploy them little by little)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Spanish Dude

(I have more questions/suggestions, but I will deploy them little by little)

---

Oh no! Seems the longtime HairSite losers are trying – at first in a friendly and “little by little” way - to capture the (enemy) ship.

Spanish Dude, why are you suddenly so friendly?

Because on the other hand, you scream around all over the Internet, that they (including Dr. Cooley) are all “charlatans” and “fraudsters” ??

[IMG]http://www.*************/hair-loss/img/uploaded/2879_image180.jpg[/IMG]

Dr. Gho is "copying other charlatans like Dr. Hitzig and Dr. Cooley" ?

Spanish Dude, the whole Internet hair loss sufferer community is aware and tired of your permanent and sick rants against physicians and researchers out there, as well as your permanent rants and stalking behaviour against each and every user out there, who’s try to inform others and/or clarifies things for others and trying to get rid of such sick persons like you.

Here is no place for your rants!

Iron_Man (Hair Robin Hood):

-Do you think legit researchers want your "idiotic inconditional support"?
-any researcher who is a bit intelligent, will prefer my intelligent bashings, that your stupid robotic support. You support any researcher, no matter how credible he is, and no matter how many red flags he has attached. (except Whitfield, because you don't like his face, and then you suddenly notice his red flags).
-Why you try to inflame and destroy every thread?
-Don't you think my question to Dr. Cooley was interesting?
-Why you post in different forums with different names?
-when Hitzig posted about his "first ever cloning breakthrough", Cooley was interviewed by Kobren, and we all thought that this was another hype. Even Kobren said: "guys, this is not the cure". Are you going to bash Kobren too, Robot_Man?
-So, given the past of Gho, given the past of Hitzig, and given that Cooley and Kemp got us entertained for 5 years at Intercytex with full of hopes and not a single photo, it was pretty natural to guess that all this Hitzig-Gho-Cooley was yet another fiasco. Only a retard like you, Iron_Man, who inconditionally believes any researcher, at any cost, would keep pushing ahead.
-So even if Cooley method works, you are still a retard, Iron_Man
-And congratulations, Iron_Man, you have destroyed yet another interesting thread.

Another question for Dr. Cooley:

In the slide-presentation, you say that 4mm punching of the scalp, with transections at the edge, can be completely healed using Acell powder. Apparently, it closes with totally normal skin, and also with hair.
Oviously, the extracted skin contains follicles, and these can be used for grafting. And these would be surely DHT resistant, etc.

So, if the donor hole regenerates completely with follicles, this would be another method of HM that would ensure recipient long term growth (maybe the long term growth is not assured in the donor, though).

So, even if the pluck method doesn't work in the long term, you would have the "punch cloning" method to test.

Am I getting this right?

No Spanish Dud. Basically I don't feed well-know forum trolls.

But nice try! :D

Okay, just another question for Dr. Cooley:
just out of curiosity, when you pluck a hair in the donor site, does the donor follicle regenerate right away, or does it take some time? how much time?

Spanish Dude, please do not come here. You helped destroy HairSite. You are a cancer on these boards and we don't want you. And your questions and combative and mostly daft (ie. "How do you know plucked hairs regenerate?" Really?) Please take your circus act somewhere else.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by wolvie1985

Spanish Dude, please do not come here. You helped destroy HairSite. You are a cancer on these boards and we don't want you. And your questions and combative and mostly daft (ie. "How do you know plucked hairs regenerate?" Really?) Please take your circus act somewhere else.

---

Wolvie, you are a retard. So I destroyed Hairsite? Do you even bother to read my posts? NO YOU DON'T. and, as a proof, you are accussing me of saying something that I have not said:
>>And your questions and combative and mostly daft (ie. "How do you know plucked hairs regenerate?" Really?) <<

I didn't say that.
Conclusion:
Wolvie=RETARD!

I am glad that I am only attacked by retards. This reaffirms me.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Spanish Dude

I am glad that I am only attacked by retards. This reaffirms me.

---

Yes, such language reaffirms that you are a disruptive troll, as you have amply demonstrated on HairSite.

This is a recent post from hairsite today by another user. It sums up the poisonous atmosphere Spanish Dude helps create:

albert

31.10.2010, 16:51

@ Iron_Man
Iron_Man & Spanish_Dude, both selfish
Post reply

Okay both two, I think is more than enough. We (forum) are often tired about your stupid things between you two, your childish discussions which pisses off everyone who wants to keep a thread interesting.

Why you guys are SO SELFISH? Can you think your we give a sh!t about your personal discussions? REALLY! IS THE DAMN TRUTH!! I personally read this forum every day - don't post usually - and I'm f****** tired about seeing your ass in every thread, EVERY THREAD.

So please, I request HairSite to do something with this two people who only wants to blame between them, and leave us to have relaxed, informatives threads. That's the target of the forum.

Thanks and shut the f*ck up (BOTH).

I'm all for free speech, but please, Spencer. Do not let this guy on here. A simple perusal of his posts from Hairsite and you'll see why.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by gmonasco

Yes, such language reaffirms that you are a disruptive troll, as you have amply demonstrated on HairSite.

---

wow, another one. These are like zombies. :D
my theory gets confirmed again.

gmonasco in Hairsite:
Registered since: 16.05.2010, 02:50
Posts: 10 [ Show posts ]

So, this 10-posts moron comes to teach me lessons about my behaviour at Hairsite. How compelling. :rolleyes:

What language do you want me to use when someone attacks me, putting in my mouth words that I have not said? Like Wolvie did? :o

wolvieeee, you little reeeetaaaard.
How about your little lie? can you read? what did I really say?

1. It seems you are not able to read. You lied and acused me of saying something that I didn't say. Rectify your lie, or shut up.

2. You said I am the cancer of Hairsite, after 10 years and thousands of posts. How many posts you have at Hairsite? I haven't found your alias.

3. Instead of rectifying your lie, you post the opinion of another hairsite forum, albert, who is another 10-post retarded leech. I have replied to him accordingly. :D

>>
I'm all for free speech, but please, Spencer. Do not let this guy on here. A simple perusal of his posts from Hairsite and you'll see why.[/QUOTE]
<<

I am sure Kobren knows me and doesn't need your advice. :o

This thread is to ask questions to Cooley, not to post attacks to me.

For any further attack, please do it in a separate thread, (titled for example: "Attacks to Spanish Dude--The Official Thread").

We'd like to ask that users please stay on topic. This thread is for those who want to learn about Dr. Cooley's research, and these type of posts make it difficult for Dr. Cooley and others to participate.

Thank you.

Estimado Dr. Cooley,

Thank you so much for puhing the limits of what was thought of as conventional. I speak for myself (but I am pretty sure most will agree) this are very exciting news.

I have one concern though, in some interview this other doctor said something about the possibility of stirring up cancer cells. Do you think his point is valid? In my opinion it is not since the product is already FDA approved (hundreds of tests, trials, etc) but just wondering, what would be your answer for that? Again thank you.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Spanish Dude

What language do you want me to use when someone attacks me, putting in my mouth words that I have not said?

---

Something other than gratuitous insults couched in childish grade-school vocabulary.

Thank you Spencer!!!

Here's an interview with Dr Robert Bernstein talking about Acell

http://www.iahrs.org/news/dr-robert-...ell-matristem/

I asked Dr. Cooley a question via email.

I got a response from his associate, who also happens to be the lady in the slide show who received some autocloned hair on her eyebrows:

Regarding the results in general:

Early on the results were very unpredictable but we have continued to learn and to change technique and to refine. This refinement has given us much more consistent and predictable results but as with any surgery there is still that element of the unknown..... No one can absolutely promise the statistics in surgery, only what we expect using the knowledge of results and proven technique.


Regarding the angle of re-growth:

We do have control over the angle of re-growth and that has always been very predictable because of the way the incisions are created by Dr. Cooley.


This is excellent news.

thanks Westonci.
Yes, in an eyebrow the angle is very important. A single hair popping out at 90º would be quite noticeable.

Dr. Robert Bernstein - November 1, 2010 at 8:15 pm

Wonderful lecture that clearly explains the biology behind the use of Extracellular matrix. Dr. Cooley shows interesting ways that this new technology may improve the hair restoration procedures we currently offer our patients. I am certain that his pioneering work will stimulate new reasearch and significantly change our field in the coming years. Bravo Jerry!

Source (user comments section): http://www.iahrs.org/news/dr-jerry-c...tion-part-3-4/
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

And here is the 6 years old written "wonderful lecture" that clearly explains the biology behing the use of Extracellular matrix:

http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?...DISPLAY=CLAIMS

Resp. http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?...8&DISPLAY=DESC

Indeed - a wonderful lecture!

Well I am cautiously optimistic about Acell. Even Dr. Rassman has put his toe into the water.

http://www.baldingblog.com/

Wenstonci, why do you post the same as Iron_Man in Hairsite?
http://www.*************/hair-loss/fo...-id-74602.html

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Spanish Dude

Wenstonci, why do you post the same as Iron_Man in Hairsite?
http://www.*************/hair-loss/fo...-id-74602.html

---

Maybe for the purpose so that Spanish Dud can ask him stupid questions?

Westonci has my PERMISSION to copy my posts whenever and whatever he may find interesting, for the purpose to share them with other users/hair loss sufferers.

BTW – Why do YOU always copy other users posts from other forums/sites?

http://www.*************/hair-loss/fo...st_answer.html

Just for the plain purpose to discredit them?

Spanish Dud, STAY ON TOPIC and do not "spoil Cooley's thread at baldtruth-tk” !!

Step aside, Iron_Scrap. My question was for Westonci.

We are once again going to ask that you stay on topic . This thread is for those who want to learn about Dr. Cooley's research, and these type of posts make it difficult for Dr. Cooley and others to participate. Please refrain from making inflammatory and off topic posts.

Thank you.

Spencer Kobren Interviews Dr. Gary Hitzig – The Pioneer In Using ACell MatriStem For Hair Restoration

http://www.iahrs.org/news/spencer-ko...-hitzig-acell/

Before I listen to Hitzig's interview, one important question:

Anybody knows what kind of plucking is this? How does it compare to waxing?

I discussed with Ahab, at HS, that waxing damages the follicles. After repetitive waxing, follicles get thinner, and eventually could die.

http://www.*************/hair-loss/fo...-id-69227.html

This applies to body hair waxing . But scalp hair is weaker than body hair, so I expect it to suffer even more from waxing.

Also, I assume that autocloning-plucking is even more "damaging" than waxing.

Resume of the hypothesis: Plucking scalp hair repeatedly could kill the donor follicle after just a few pluckings.
The question is how many pluckings can be done on the donor follicle, without compromising its normal long-term functioning.

Thus, it would be necessary to monitor closely the donor area, to see how well it regenerates after the first, second, etc harvestings. For example, totally harvesting a 1cm x 1cm donor area and marking that region using a tatoo. This has been sugested by topcat at Hairsite, (and also in previous occasions by other forum members).

Oh, I am watching Cooley's slides again (part 4, the eyebrow repair case), and Cooley says there is a bit of bleeding when the donor is plucked. so it seems that it is indeed more aggressive than waxing, and, as I expected, this could damage the donor follicle significantly.

To avoid damage to the donor follicle, why not placing a little bit of Acell after plucking, in the donor site?

there are a lot of things to be tried, eh? :)

You would have to wax every week for many years to begin destorying hair follicles.

The procedure that Dr. Cooley is using only plucks the hair a handful of times and so shouldnt effect the growth of the hair follicles.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Westonci

You would have to wax every week for many years to begin destorying hair follicles.

The procedure that Dr. Cooley is using only plucks the hair a handful of times and so shouldnt effect the growth of the hair follicles.

---

Yes, but this is not waxing. It seems to me that this is harder.
Westonci, you posted photos of plucked hairs. How did you do it? Did the donor bleed?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Spanish Dude

Yes, but this is not waxing. It seems to me that this is harder.
Westonci, you posted photos of plucked hairs. How did you do it? Did the donor bleed?

---

Ive been plucking by eyebrow and nose hairs every week since highschool age (15), im 22 now and i can say that the hairs are just as thick as i remember them.

As for the pictures i posted, I used a tweezer and simply plucked hairs from the side of my scalp. I then used a digital camera with macro zoom to take the picture. And no, the hairs follicles did not bleed as far as i remember.

If your concern is that plucking will reduce or damage donor hairs, Im 99% sure it wont have any major effects on the hairs

I have just plucked one from the side of my head using pliers. Nothing at the root, just the shaft is white at the end, and ends in a small hook. But no substances.
Second attempt, the hair broke at the plier.
Third attempt with tweezers, grabbing the hair close to the skin. Now there is a distinct black bulb but no cells attached (well, just a few at 2mm from the end).

Westonci, I was meaning bleeding in the skin, at the extraction site, not bleeding in the plucked hair.

This is getting interesting Dr. Rassman has just put another comment on his blog.
http://www.baldingblog.com/