Hehe, reasoning like that I can say "I found some 2.5 hairs/FU for FUE, so I will take THAT as an average" :D You can't just ignore James Bald case, nor my case.
No, don't get me wrong I'm not ignoring it. I just prefer to concentrate on larger samples, it's not normally a good idea to use small sampes like the James Bald one..... I would be interested in seeing some stats on your result, I know its pretty dam difficult to count the hairs, but I'm guessing you have a good photo somewhere.
Soon I will post a new photo from the mid section of my head, the least dense area and we can try a new count to see the average. It's probably the best way considering there is no native hair in that area.
+ When I say soon, I mean a few weeks, I'm in wedding mode atm (next friday), only came here because I'm getting tired of writing my speech and needed to think about something else :)
08-15-2014 04:35 PM
Arashi
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Originally Posted by gc83uk
You know it wasn't that long ago when you were saying 4000 FUE = 8000 HST
Now your saying it's 4000 FUE = 6500 HST
And I explained why: the average hair/FU is known to be around 2.5, so I took that number. But it seems, at least from the 10 cases I looked at, that the actual number is slightly lower. Not sure why, but that's that. So yeah, 4000 FUE = 6500 HST seems about correct from the data we have.
08-15-2014 04:36 PM
Arashi
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Originally Posted by gc83uk
it's not normally a good idea to use small sampes like the James Bald one.....
You do realize that the ALL hasci claims are based on their thesis, in which they analyzed 5 (F I V E) patients ? Talking about small samples ;)
08-15-2014 04:38 PM
gc83uk
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Originally Posted by Arashi
You do realize that the ALL hasci claims are based on their thesis, in which they analyzed 5 (F I V E) patients ? Talking about small samples ;)
Yeah, but you've never seen me claim their thesis is worth much more than the paper it's printed on!
08-15-2014 04:39 PM
Arashi
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Originally Posted by gc83uk
Yeah, but you've never seen me claim their thesis is worth much more than the paper it's printed on!
Hehe, at least we can agree on that ;)
08-15-2014 04:42 PM
gc83uk
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Originally Posted by Arashi
And I explained why: the average hair/FU is known to be around 2.5, so I took that number. But it seems, at least from the 10 cases I looked at, that the actual number is slightly lower. Not sure why, but that's that. So yeah, 4000 FUE = 6500 HST seems about correct from the data we have.
I think I can answer that. Well the common sense answer for me would be, when doing FUE, let's say you are doing a minor session of 1000 grafts, I think the FUE surgeon can afford to cherry pick the richest grafts, 3 / 4 hair grafts and use these. However when you get into mega sessions or doing e.g 5000 FUE, it would be irresponsible to take ALL the best grafts from the donor and only leave behind the 1's....
+ You need the 1 hair grafts for the hairline right? For every 1 hair graft you extract you have to extract a 3 hair graft just to keep the avg at 2, seems a pretty tough task to me.
Other than those two reasons I cannot see why else.
08-15-2014 04:47 PM
Arashi
So, what about measuring your donor density Gaz ? Are you up for that ?
08-15-2014 04:48 PM
gc83uk
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Originally Posted by Arashi
So, what about measuring your donor density Gaz ? Are you up for that ?
Yea of course. Just not at the moment for the reasons mentioned in post #51
08-15-2014 04:50 PM
Arashi
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Originally Posted by gc83uk
Yea of course. Just not at the moment for the reasons mentioned in post #51
Ok, would be very interesting. Good luck with your speech and have fun !
08-15-2014 04:53 PM
gc83uk
Another reason for FUE grafts being lower than many thought is possible transection. I suppose this still happens from time to time. I know the most skilled FUE surgeons use different size tools, but I suppose if the hairs are splayed under the scalp, then it's innevitable than sometimes you will transect.
