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Erick
09-15-2012, 11:51 AM
Man you guys can't take anything, we all know it's a stereotype to say Jews are greedy. I thought it would be funny, those type of shit shouldn't offend you because they're said just for the f**k of saying it. And no I don't care when they talk about my race, beliefs et cetera.

I was genuinely asking for a donation of this stuff, was not really trying to offend anyone. And yes, if I would be able to get good job I would, believe me.

johnnyboots
09-15-2012, 12:12 PM
Someone please let me know when i can order it,i live in new york.

Erick
09-15-2012, 12:19 PM
Dude you can get it today if you want. And while you're at it buy me a case too :)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DERCOS-VICHY-NEOGENIC-28-x-6ml-MONODOSES-SHIP-ON-SEPT-21-/190726793090?pt=UK_Health_HairLoss_RL&hash=item2c6833e782

johnnyboots
09-15-2012, 12:27 PM
Dude you can get it today if you want. And while you're at it buy me a case too :)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DERCOS-VICHY-NEOGENIC-28-x-6ml-MONODOSES-SHIP-ON-SEPT-21-/190726793090?pt=UK_Health_HairLoss_RL&hash=item2c6833e782

thanks bro cant help u with the free case,im italian btw lol.

johnnyboots
09-15-2012, 12:33 PM
by the way how long does one order last?

doke
09-16-2012, 03:22 AM
by the way how long does one order last?

28 neogenic phials 6ml lasts just under one month so its pricey although i think its used for 3 months one a day and then twice a year at that.
For me the price will have to come down and also user results if any,i wonder if the dercos pro man aminexil is any use as its an improved formula that also is a three months use,im nor sure though with male patten loss if you need to keep using as dht will still be in the scalp.

Jcm800
09-16-2012, 03:26 AM
Yeah it's a bit pricey eh doke. Think I'll wait a little to see if gutted etc start to report benefits.

Got my fingers crossed but who knows..

Dazza
09-16-2012, 04:07 AM
For me the price ain't too bad, £68 x 3 = £204 x 2 = £408 a year. That in the scale of things is nothing. I spend more in two months on utter shite.

I'm not touching this tho untill there are Atleast some results.

doke
09-16-2012, 04:30 AM
hi jc it will be pricey as i say i cannot see you only being able to use it for three months as we all know mpb needs constant applications or oral as well.
And if we need to use every day through the year it will need to come down in price.
How are you doin jc are you still on trx2.

NotDyingBald
09-16-2012, 08:44 AM
To all those who bought it,

Don´t forget to take pictures or vídeo. Not just to show to others, but for youselves also.

How many of us end up saying "hmm I think this worked, or not".

Once again, "pictures, or it didn´t happen"

Hope to get mine soon

thechamp
09-16-2012, 05:12 PM
Can I buy this any where or just eBay

Kirby_
09-16-2012, 05:23 PM
Wonder if it'll be released here in the UK... If it doesn't get made available here (like Aminexil isn't) that'll be a sure sign this is junk, LOL.

Edit: their UK address if anyone wants to write in and ask (they don't accept emails)

L’Oréal UK Ltd
255 Hammersmith Road
London
W6 8AZ

Erick
09-16-2012, 07:28 PM
Imagine if ironically after all these years with L'oreal, Replicel, Adorans, et cetera that it turns out that snake oil is really the cure to baldness. All we had to do was to mix it with a bit of lemon and bam we have ourselves the miracle cure.

NotBelievingIt
09-16-2012, 09:12 PM
Imagine if ironically after all these years with L'oreal, Replicel, Adorans, et cetera that it turns out that snake oil is really the cure to baldness. All we had to do was to mix it with a bit of lemon and bam we have ourselves the miracle cure.

funny thing is...you may not be entirely far off the eventual truth.

Every so many years something new is found, it works some miracles in a few rare cases but for most its not enough. But then something else is...for a few more.

The end picture will either be pure genetics or some globule of brown goo made up of 15 different things you put on your head at night and it just works.

Erick
09-16-2012, 10:43 PM
Quantum theory says that it's completely possible for a set of hairs to materialize on our head on any given instant. With that being said, why does it not happen to me. Everyone focus your conscious minds at me at exactly 5pm pacific time this Thuesday. This will give extra power, and I should be able to easily manifest hair on my head.

Lazoid
09-17-2012, 01:44 AM
Imagine if ironically after all these years with L'oreal, Replicel, Adorans, et cetera that it turns out that snake oil is really the cure to baldness. All we had to do was to mix it with a bit of lemon and bam we have ourselves the miracle cure.

Hahaha absolute gold

kanyon
09-17-2012, 03:40 AM
It's ridiculous that it can't be bought on the l'oreal or Vichy websites.

thechamp
09-17-2012, 04:12 AM
Have they officially launched this product!!

doke
09-17-2012, 06:01 AM
If this product neogenic was any good or a cure for mpb it would be front news headlines so dont waste your monies guys,its another scam.

gutted
09-17-2012, 06:33 AM
Have they officially launched this product!!

its been launched in some countries, i doubt the usa will get it anytime soon, your best bet would be to buy from that seller on ebay.

thechamp
09-17-2012, 03:07 PM
So one month we will know of it works!!!

madeinitaly
09-17-2012, 03:16 PM
Hi guys,

new here...i read all your posts, very useful.

im italian but i live in london, and yes i'm a NW2 so i do appreciate all the information i got on here........thanks!!!!..about L'oreal....i hope it will work!!! i don't like L'oreal btw...not at all....overrated usually....but if they developed something cool.....good for us!!!

straight to the point: this is how i stop my hair loss:..

- i changed shampoo first thing......i use a natural shampoo....name is Absalom...( no..i'm not a marketing guy..i found it on internet...u can choose another one but choose one all natural)
i really like it..all natural...and yes ..trust me i have always used any shampoo on my hands but i'm pretty sure i was allergic to Sulfate or something similar made my head red....my hair look sick..now is getting better...much better....

- I bought Har vokse the supplement and he really stopped my hair falling down...in 17 days!! no regrowth yet....not at all for now....and maybe there will never be......so if u want to ask me if har vokse growing back your hair for now the answer is no!! but it really stopped my hair loss....i'm pretty happy with that! i mean really stopped it....this is for me already a good point!! no side effects and actually i'm very happy with it....just personal opinion...

I don't want give you advices but i was on italian forum as well before and... i know for you the hair loss is a big problem ....for me as well.....a lot.....my hair is so important to me.....but **** sake guys...please fellas don't use propecia or minoxidil.....i have so many friends in italy used them and they had so many side effects in the long period......what the hell is a head full of hair if you guys after that you can't even **** a chick like before!!! loooooooool guys!!! erection is important!!! actually 50% of us, we have to admit, we want our hair back to feel younger and get nice chicks....i grow up with american porn.... ahahahah....but if u cant even **** them....what's the point???i know you don't wanna wait for a cure but guys....if you lose your best friend ....you will have a big ****ing problem!!!i will update the har vokse stuff if you are interested....how someone said on here...wtf is the point if we don't buy the new stuffs how do we know if they work or not!!?? but we have to post immediately if they are scam sniking shit.....

Best regards fellas!!! and remember we need to be like Rocco Siffredi...not too much hair but our **** always reactive...ahaha

and i want to be honest with all of you...i work in nightclubs in London..i meet milions people every night .....the woman love boldy fellas.....it's a animal things....so put your healthy body up front your head full of hair......of course if there will be a safe solution i will be the first!!

ciao brothers!!!

gutted
09-17-2012, 03:24 PM
So one month we will know of it works!!!

more like 3 months...but im on other things as well, so im no reliable indicator of this working since i believe the other stuff im on works too.

perhaps someone will be using this alone, will be more of a reliable indicator.

aim4hair
09-17-2012, 03:35 PM
please fellas don't use propecia or minoxidil.....i have so many friends in italy used them and they had so many side effects in the long period......what the hell is a head full of hair if you guys after that you can't even **** a chick like before!!! loooooooool guys!!! erection is important!!! actually 50% of us, we have to admit, we want our hair back to feel younger and get nice chicks....i grow up with american porn.... ahahahah....but if u cant even **** them....what's the point???i know you don't wanna wait for a cure but guys....if you lose your best friend ....you will have a big ****ing problem!!!i

i know this is off topic, but what minoxidil has to do with losing "your best friend" or erection ? Propecia is the one with sextual sides not minox

Back to topic, i think the price is not that expensive if we really just need to use this 6 months a year.

madeinitaly
09-17-2012, 03:48 PM
[QUOTE=aim4hair;82414]i know this is off topic, but what minoxidil has to do with losing "your best friend" or erection ? Propecia is the one with sextual sides not minox


i didn't want judge anyone and i will never do it......the point is...so many Italians writing this on forum!!!!countless .... i never used it......but i read so many bad comments of people saying it....the only thing i did is this: i went to my family doctor and obviously he knows since before i was born... 30 years...he said to me straight in the face....don't use it!!!....what should i trust?? the pharmaceutics developed it or the doctor saw me before i was born? i dunno mate..too much money involved in this products....if there is any side effects reported i won't purchase them...but this is personal....only about me.

garethbale
09-17-2012, 04:28 PM
Har Vokse?!

What the hell is that? Sounds like a snake oil.

2020
09-17-2012, 04:30 PM
no one cares about stopping hair loss... plenty of treatments to halt and reverse some of your your baldness if you have time and money however there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to regrow lost hair

garethbale
09-17-2012, 04:35 PM
Minoxidil can regrow lost hair although it is pretty ineffective.

Stopping hair loss is important to those (like myself) who still have the majority of their hair. Also, it wouldn't be very useful to be able to regrow lost hair if your own hair still fell out.

I agree that regrowing hair is key though, we all want our juvenile hairline back

madeinitaly
09-17-2012, 04:36 PM
lol i care....a lot.......i stopped it for now....it is just another supplement....i tried to purchase it and i'm quiet happy...it does not regrowth hair...not at the moment anyway...but i cannot complain....

doke
09-18-2012, 02:18 AM
Hi madein i respect your point of view on propecia but for me it never gave any sides dutasteride did but i use it in conjuction with ha voske but only been on ha v for just a week so early days i do know if i stop finasteride my hair will start falling out again and i have been on it many years now.

madeinitaly
09-18-2012, 03:33 AM
[QUOTE=doke;82463]Hi madein i respect your point of view on propecia but for me it never gave any sides dutasteride did but i use it in conjuction with ha voske but only been on ha v for just a week so early days i do know if i stop finasteride my hair will start falling out again and i have been on it many years now.

hi Doke! i will tell you if har vokse will do anything.......for now stopped my hair loss....about L'oreal... in italy in all the pharmacy u can but already the new l'oreal product!!! i don't understand why it is already in all the italian pharmacies before England and the official launch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!what do you think??

doke
09-18-2012, 05:24 AM
hi madein im not sure about L Oreal neogenic not being on sale yet in uk it might be that it will be marketed by vichy dercos overseas and L oreal in uk or the other way round.
Like on the bald truth recent radio programme it was talked about L Oreal and if this neogenic was the magic thing for mpb it would be front line news everywhere but its not so im a bit sceptical that its the thing to use for us.
Have your heard of ducray anistim and chronostim for hair loss as im thinking another french product.
On another topic madein have you heard of italian motorcycle company fantic motor? as i heard they are back making bikes again although not for sale in uk yet.

Kirby_
09-18-2012, 07:22 AM
This product may never reach the UK, or other large European markets such as Germany, as Aminexil hasn't. My scepticism levels will remain high if it doesn't.

gutted
09-18-2012, 07:51 AM
This product may never reach the UK, or other large European markets such as Germany, as Aminexil hasn't. My scepticism levels will remain high if it doesn't.

it should be released in the UK, when?? who knows.

madeinitaly
09-18-2012, 08:35 AM
hi madein im not sure about L Oreal neogenic not being on sale yet in uk it might be that it will be marketed by vichy dercos overseas and L oreal in uk or the other way round.
Like on the bald truth recent radio programme it was talked about L Oreal and if this neogenic was the magic thing for mpb it would be front line news everywhere but its not so im a bit sceptical that its the thing to use for us.
Have your heard of ducray anistim and chronostim for hair loss as im thinking another french product.
On another topic madein have you heard of italian motorcycle company fantic motor? as i heard they are back making bikes again although not for sale in uk yet.

a bit strange......i mean...not real Launch and already in all Italian pharmacies!!!! i smell Italian job here!!! ahahahahahaha
ps: Fantic motor is very cool.....they will be back on 2013...and sure they will delivery worldwide.( some partenrs will help them)..or they will use some different store of other brands but definitely you will get them....i really love those motorbike a lot.

Smiley
09-18-2012, 09:23 AM
My skepticism lies in the the fact L'Oreal has been so secret about it. If it truly did what it claimed, wouldn't they want to do a global release? Looks to me like they are testing it in small markets to see what the feedback is.

Anyway, I'd like to thank those who are actually trying it for us (and themselves :p ) please keep us updated on your progress with this "treatment". Good luck.

Kirby_
09-18-2012, 10:46 AM
it should be released in the UK, when?? who knows.
I wrote a letter to their UK branch asking about a UK release date (they don't accept emails) on behalf of BTT forum-goers.

I've PMed you at HLH, incidentally.

Kirby_
09-18-2012, 10:49 AM
My skepticism lies in the the fact L'Oreal has been so secret about it. If it truly did what it claimed, wouldn't they want to do a global release? Looks to me like they are testing it in small markets to see what the feedback is.
That's my thinking too. Looks odd how they've sidestepped two of the biggest European markets, at least for now.

madeinitaly
09-18-2012, 11:57 AM
http://www.bioricrescita.it/news-capelli/vichy-dercos-neogenic-trattamento-di-rinnovamento-capillare/


read this guys....please translate it......about l'oreal

2020
09-18-2012, 12:27 PM
This is an active ingredient that can awaken the follicles "sleep in" and get them back to produce hair. Announced by L 'Oréal, is available from September at a cost to the patient of approximately one thousand euro per year.


According to the clinical study of Vichy, led to three months of 101 men aged between 18 and 55 years with a significant loss of hair and localized treatments is increased capillary density by 4%, with an average gain of 1700 each hair.

they must be trolling... in that official document it said that they have been working at this for the past 20 years. Then they even did a presentation and took out an ad. All this for 4%? They either know something we don't or they're just plain idiots

eqvist
09-18-2012, 12:39 PM
http://www.bioricrescita.it/news-capelli/vichy-dercos-neogenic-trattamento-di-rinnovamento-capillare/


read this guys....please translate it......about l'oreal

U can do it with google-translate, but no need it´s just a company who dirty-talks another and offers their "much better, real cure"

About neogenic, the hope seems to be gone like always!! It must be something weird in this shitty business!!! It´s impossible that none can make a single product that really works!!

Erick
09-18-2012, 01:21 PM
U can do it with google-translate, but no need it´s just a company who dirty-talks another and offers their "much better, real cure"

About neogenic, the hope seems to be gone like always!! It must be something weird in this shitty business!!! It´s impossible that none can make a single product that really works!!

Well that page sucks for 2 reasons, the translate is not good enough and the freaking page has some kind of a virus which made my computer crash.

Anyways 4% is not much at all, in fact I was hoping for the 20% everyone was talking about including me. It does seem like they're promoting their own product so don't believe shit that article says.

Xestenz
09-18-2012, 02:17 PM
Anyways 4% is not much at all, in fact I was hoping for the 20% everyone was talking about including me. It does seem like they're promoting their own product so don't believe shit that article says.

Yes, there is a dearth of real information on this product available, but please people this has been covered - the 4% refers to an increase in capillary density and not in hair growth!

If/when someone on the board here receives and starts to use this product, can you please relay some quick information like:


Details on the application instructions
Smell, consistency of the formulation
Ease or difficulty in application
Any special requirements (such as leaving the lotion in place on your head for 30 minutes per application, etc.)
Any notable sensations when applying (heat, itching, etc.)


Thank you in advance!

thechamp
09-18-2012, 03:43 PM
I'll wait one and half months see what results you guys habe

gutted
09-19-2012, 06:18 AM
Yes, there is a dearth of real information on this product available, but please people this has been covered - the 4% refers to an increase in capillary density and not in hair growth!

If/when someone on the board here receives and starts to use this product, can you please relay some quick information like:


Details on the application instructions
Smell, consistency of the formulation
Ease or difficulty in application
Any special requirements (such as leaving the lotion in place on your head for 30 minutes per application, etc.)
Any notable sensations when applying (heat, itching, etc.)


Thank you in advance!

Details on the application instructions - Its in italian so didnt really read it but the pictures suggest you use the applicator, but imo its pretty much useless and the liquid solution is wasted when using the applicator to apply.

Smell, consistency of the formulation - smells of perfume (and reminds me of the many snake oil products ive used before!!!)

Ease or difficulty in application - i use a dropper to apply the solution rather than the applicator

Any special requirements (such as leaving the lotion in place on your head for 30 minutes per application, etc.) - no special requirements, i just apply at night and leave on.

Any notable sensations when applying (heat, itching, etc.) - there is a sensation, but cant really describe what it is.

Kirby_
09-19-2012, 07:09 AM
From an Italian pharmacy website (which I won't link to), here is a stated list of ingredients: Alcohol Denat., Diethyllutidinate, Citric Acid, Safflower Glucoside, Parfum/Fragrance. :confused:

gutted
09-19-2012, 07:22 AM
From an Italian pharmacy website (which I won't link to), here is a stated list of ingredients: Alcohol Denat., Diethyllutidinate, Citric Acid, Safflower Glucoside, Parfum/Fragrance. :confused:

and stemoxydine 5%.

doke
09-19-2012, 09:04 AM
a bit strange......i mean...not real Launch and already in all Italian pharmacies!!!! i smell Italian job here!!! ahahahahahaha
ps: Fantic motor is very cool.....they will be back on 2013...and sure they will delivery worldwide.( some partenrs will help them)..or they will use some different store of other brands but definitely you will get them....i really love those motorbike a lot.

Hi madein i had a 1978 fantic chopper im showing my age now a 6 speed 50cc it was great bike,and i remember the caballero i think i spelt that right.
Is there any of the old choppers still around in italy as they would be over 30years old,there are some rebuilt in uk but are expensive up to £4000 to get hold of one if you are lucky.

Xestenz
09-19-2012, 11:22 AM
Details on the application instructions - Its in italian so didnt really read it but the pictures suggest you use the applicator, but imo its pretty much useless and the liquid solution is wasted when using the applicator to apply.

Smell, consistency of the formulation - smells of perfume (and reminds me of the many snake oil products ive used before!!!)

Ease or difficulty in application - i use a dropper to apply the solution rather than the applicator

Any special requirements (such as leaving the lotion in place on your head for 30 minutes per application, etc.) - no special requirements, i just apply at night and leave on.

Any notable sensations when applying (heat, itching, etc.) - there is a sensation, but cant really describe what it is.

Thank you -- that's perfect.

Erick
09-20-2012, 03:37 PM
Man, what's going on with this thread lately. I signed in today and saw it was the 6th one in the list. Have people already interest in this product? We need to keep this one alive for at least 3 months until we get the results in. So I guess the 22nd of this month is coming up around the corner, let's see what we see that day.

Breaking Bald
09-20-2012, 04:45 PM
Man, what's going on with this thread lately. I signed in today and saw it was the 6th one in the list. Have people already interest in this product? We need to keep this one alive for at least 3 months until we get the results in. So I guess the 22nd of this month is coming up around the corner, let's see what we see that day.

What's the point in spanning it out? If...and that's a big IF, we see any results in people it won't be until at least 2-3 months. So I would just sit tight and wait it out. What more cane we discuss? It seems difficult to find any REAL evidence that this stuff is actually going to work. There's hardly any info on it...seems strange to me.

Kiwi
09-21-2012, 12:40 AM
What's the point in spanning it out? If...and that's a big IF, we see any results in people it won't be until at least 2-3 months. So I would just sit tight and wait it out. What more cane we discuss? It seems difficult to find any REAL evidence that this stuff is actually going to work. There's hardly any info on it...seems strange to me.

I reckon.

I was thinking about that today. Nothing on baldingblog either - I wonder whether that means the HT docs are scared that good things are coming.

Imagine if this does do what they say - couple it with Histogen and a FUE and you're going to look cosmetically a lot better!!!

TravisB
09-21-2012, 04:46 PM
I wonder if Fin could maintain hairs grown by this?

LPSboxing
09-21-2012, 05:59 PM
I'll say it again :

by the official papers, it's NOT 4% more density, it is 4% more CAPILLARY DENSITY.

they say around 1700 more hair. If we assume the top of the head having about 10000 hair, it's a +17% in density

I mean, what the hell guys. A lot of people fell for much more crappy 'products' and scams, and yet almost no one is giving this one a fair try before bashing it.

what's with this attitude?

I know a lot of us are tired of useless products but......

gutted
09-21-2012, 06:10 PM
I'll say it again :

by the official papers, it's NOT 4% more density, it is 4% more CAPILLARY DENSITY.

they say around 1700 more hair. If we assume the top of the head having about 10000 hair, it's a +17% in density

I mean, what the hell guys. A lot of people fell for much more crappy 'products' and scams, and yet almost no one is giving this one a fair try before bashing it.

what's with this attitude?

I know a lot of us are tired of useless products but......

lool this is why forums are hardly a reliable source of information. One misinformed post and it spreads everywhere!

HectorHero
09-21-2012, 06:19 PM
I'll say it again :

by the official papers, it's NOT 4% more density, it is 4% more CAPILLARY DENSITY.

they say around 1700 more hair. If we assume the top of the head having about 10000 hair, it's a +17% in density

I mean, what the hell guys. A lot of people fell for much more crappy 'products' and scams, and yet almost no one is giving this one a fair try before bashing it.

what's with this attitude?

I know a lot of us are tired of useless products but......

Human Head has ~100,000 - 150,000 hairs -- not 10,000.

LPSboxing
09-21-2012, 07:49 PM
Human Head has ~100,000 - 150,000 hairs -- not 10,000.

yeah but all over.

we are talking about the mpb zone.

You are not going to apply neogenic to the sides and back if there's no thinning there

baldybald
09-22-2012, 09:06 AM
it is available in ebay but, am not buying it !!

Erick
09-22-2012, 12:45 PM
Yes those numbers sound fair, however I personally would have to apply it the sides as well an hope for the best.

Anyone if the show will be live next week?

thechamp
09-22-2012, 07:19 PM
http://www.*********.com/

thechamp
09-22-2012, 07:20 PM
Any one tried this *********

thechamp
09-22-2012, 07:21 PM
trich ozed

thatkidd
09-23-2012, 12:55 AM
Why is there no information on this product AT ALL? Not on the companies website...if you google it, almost nothing comes up.

WTH?

Kirby_
09-23-2012, 06:09 AM
I asked Loreal and Vichy UK for information (to share with BTT for those curious about the product) and neither have even heard of it.

gutted
09-23-2012, 06:16 AM
http://i.imgur.com/QpaJM.jpg





found on another forum.

seems like they plan to phase its releasse in the different markets.

gutted
09-23-2012, 06:16 AM
http://www.vicevlasu.cz/index.php?action=downloadfile&topic=1638&upfile=50936&sub=1

UK_
09-23-2012, 07:17 AM
Do not buy this crap it is most likely a complete scam - those before/after pictures are hilarious.

gutted
09-23-2012, 07:56 AM
Do not buy this crap it is most likely a complete scam - those before/after pictures are hilarious.

notice they say "forum infiltration" lol

then again its not like propecia do not engage in this sort of behaviour.

thechamp
09-23-2012, 03:17 PM
Have they even launched this product yet and gutted are you doubting this product!!

gutted
09-23-2012, 03:27 PM
Have they even launched this product yet and gutted are you doubting this product!!

dude, there is always going to be doubt on forums. Nothing is concrete what works for one person should really work for most people but the key here is, there are alot of variables involved which make it "appear" like its not doing much for those people that dont respond when in actual fact it really is doing something behind the scenes.

As for neogenic, im still using it, i will give an objective update in the end of my trial period. To me it looks like it will only be marginally effective, no miracle cure that will bring back full density, but i cant say for sure.

Jasari
09-23-2012, 08:35 PM
Gutted, out of interest what level of hairloss do you have?

NotBelievingIt
09-23-2012, 08:35 PM
the problem with that before/after pic a few posts above is that the 'new' hairs are somehow thicker and longer than those that already existed and clearly have grown. Almost as if they were directly targetted to grow and be resistant to the growth inhibition the others face.

In other words, while inticing, I don't believe it to be real. :(

67mph
09-24-2012, 03:57 AM
Snake oil for the modern age, be careful out there guys.

In all theory, the modern snake oils should be more obvious to spot than those of a few years ago, thanks to forums like this.

Just have to keep your wits about you!!

...wake up and smell the snake oil people.

UK_
09-24-2012, 02:54 PM
The modern snake oils read into what actual researchers are up to and provide bullshit products that "activate dormant hair follicles" or "act as WNT hair stimulating compounds" - new snake oil uses sophisticated language we all buy into.

No different to the "pentapeptides" bullshit they shovel in the faces of women.

All bullshit marketing.

The funny thing is with Neogenic - Loreal doesnt even know about it hahaha, write in to their research centres and they will ask you wtf you are talking about.

thechamp
09-24-2012, 03:20 PM
You guys are writing this off as snake oil give it a chance

Dazza
09-24-2012, 03:27 PM
You guys are writing this off as snake oil give it a chance

And by "give it a chance" I'm guessing you are also trying this "treatment"?

Or are you trying to encourage people to try this for your own cause so you can see if it's a snake oil by them testing this for you.

Why don't you take your own advice and "give it a chance"

No?

I have to agree somewhat with UK_ on his last post.

thechamp
09-24-2012, 04:03 PM
No I'm waiting for gutted results:)

UK_
09-24-2012, 04:18 PM
gutted will be gutted

Dazza
09-24-2012, 04:34 PM
No I'm waiting for gutted results:)

Thought as much....

garethbale
09-24-2012, 04:39 PM
The funny thing is with Neogenic - Loreal doesnt even know about it hahaha, write in to their research centres and they will ask you wtf you are talking about.

You have to laugh at this. The nerve these people display to use a cosmetic giant like Loreal to front this when Loreal have never heard of it. The fact that it isn't supplied from the UK or US just adds weight to the claim that its bullshit. No, its shipped from Spain, the epicentre of ground breaking hair loss research!

Erick
09-24-2012, 07:44 PM
Hello guys, after finally getting enough money for a new treatment I am not sure as to whether to try this new L'oreal neogenic or the trx2 and vit C. If you were in my situation which one would you pick?

I am norwood 1/2 most likely 1 diffused.
26 years old.
been on propecia for 2 years( seen very good results and no side effects except for the initial blinding testicular pain the first 2 days.)
I use Nizoral and sulfate free shampoo.

30plus
09-25-2012, 12:59 AM
This stuff really does look like cr*p.

If it REALLY did something then L'oreal would be all over TV, radio etc promoting this stuff.

The reason they are not is because they don't want the public scrutiny that it would get.

That's why they've hid it under a cr*p brand and are releasing it stealthily hoping some mug will pay a ridiculous price for this stuff.

As skeptical as I am about TRX2 (and if you doubt it read my 50+ posts on how disappointed overall I am with it) at least it does SOMETHING apart from tear holes in your wallet.

gutted
09-25-2012, 06:32 AM
Gutted, out of interest what level of hairloss do you have?

nw 2 diffuse.

elusive52
09-25-2012, 11:01 AM
hey gutted (and anyone else already using neogenic)...

just a quick question. Are you using the entire 6ml for every application? i got my wife to apply the first one and she could of easily covered the entire thinning part of my scalp (the whole of the top) 2-3 times over.

i have decided to use the whole 6ml for each application, only because it seems that is what is supposed to be done, and if i spread it out i would never know if the results may of been different had i used it all for each application.

at least this way i know for sure if it truly works or not, no doubts...

what are your thoughts?

cheers.

gutted
09-25-2012, 11:11 AM
hey gutted (and anyone else already using neogenic)...

just a quick question. Are you using the entire 6ml for every application? i got my wife to apply the first one and she could of easily covered the entire thinning part of my scalp (the whole of the top) 2-3 times over.

i have decided to use the whole 6ml for each application, only because it seems that is what is supposed to be done, and if i spread it out i would never know if the results may of been different had i used it all for each application.

at least this way i know for sure if it truly works or not, no doubts...

what are your thoughts?

cheers.


i use about roughly a quarter in the frontal region/temples Only. A vial seems to last me 3 days.

If your applying in the whole of the mpb region then i suppose it would be best to stick to what they advise.

the_dude78
09-25-2012, 11:58 AM
hey gutted (and anyone else already using neogenic)...

just a quick question. Are you using the entire 6ml for every application? i got my wife to apply the first one and she could of easily covered the entire thinning part of my scalp (the whole of the top) 2-3 times over.

i have decided to use the whole 6ml for each application, only because it seems that is what is supposed to be done, and if i spread it out i would never know if the results may of been different had i used it all for each application.

at least this way i know for sure if it truly works or not, no doubts...

what are your thoughts?

cheers.


Doesn't this come with an instruction on how to apply it??

67mph
09-25-2012, 02:03 PM
A couple of you are still debating about how to use this or even want to buy it etc, wtaf!

Some of us are warning you guys to not fall for shit like this, as clearly you're new to the whole snake oil bs that's out there, stop filling these big corps pockets with your well earned cash, guys!!

I'm getting off this thread, for good, it's far too depressing for words.

DO THE FRIGGIN' RESEARCH, if there's nothing to go by then don't buy!!?

Right, where's the next bullshit thread on the 'new' hairloss cure product (that only women would tend to fall for), new to the baldo market...?

LPSboxing
09-25-2012, 03:05 PM
A couple of you are still debating about how to use this or even want to buy it etc, wtaf!

Some of us are warning you guys to not fall for shit like this, as clearly you're new to the whole snake oil bs that's out there, stop filling these big corps pockets with your well earned cash, guys!!

I'm getting off this thread, for good, it's far too depressing for words.

DO THE FRIGGIN' RESEARCH, if there's nothing to go by then don't buy!!?

Right, where's the next bullshit thread on the 'new' hairloss cure product (that only women would tend to fall for), new to the baldo market...?

It's called desperation, and we all are like that in a way or another.

A lot of 'skeptics' are just waiting for others to be a guinea pig. Without the others that are trying this, they probably would be using it.

Maybe you too. No personal eh, just saying...

elusive52
09-25-2012, 03:45 PM
Doesn't this come with an instruction on how to apply it??

it tells 'how' to apply but it doesnt say whether or not to use all the 6ml per application.

im just assuming 28 x 6ml = 1 per day/application.

to be honest there isnt a lot of info, probably is a scam but its worth a try i guess. i have took before pics so if anything does happen i'll post the results.

thechamp
09-25-2012, 04:00 PM
The best treatments have tried is propecia followed buy spectral dnc 4.5 percent is working wonders for me.

gutted
09-25-2012, 04:18 PM
theyve published a bunch of videos on thier youtube channel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgekx63dqXM&feature=channel&list=UL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apm_EQszmjc&feature=relmfu

new bubble
09-25-2012, 05:02 PM
theyve published a bunch of videos on thier youtube channel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgekx63dqXM&feature=channel&list=UL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apm_EQszmjc&feature=relmfu

Anyone translate what they said to english

The Alchemist
09-25-2012, 06:27 PM
Anyone translate what they said to english

Yes:

"this product is complete bullshit. However, we are counting on the naivete and desperation of balding men to purchase our product in large quantities. The profits of which will be used to purchase a villa on a small mediterranean island so that my family can vacation"

"please, look at me. I'm wearing a suit. How can you doubt anything i say?"

"we like to say 4% growth, because it's a number that is impossible for a sucker. No no, excuse me. I mis-speak. A user, to evaluate without sophisticated equipment. Therefore they keep purchasing our product under the false impressions of efficacy that their desperations feed. This in turn allows for revenue growth."

"Now excuse me, i have some high end prostitutes coming over and i really need to comb my beautiful hair"

UK_
09-25-2012, 06:38 PM
^^ Thats what I got too.

Doesnt look very "game-breaking" to me, as the producers had promised it would be.

It's coming across as a new shampoo or conditioner as opposed to the great holy grail cure for hair loss.

What a leaking bag of horse piss.

UK_
09-25-2012, 06:51 PM
So this stuff is available on Ebay.... EBAY?... lol forgive me but, wouldnt the cure for hair loss have a better distribution outlet than an online auction site?

But fret not my fellow baldies!! If Neogenic fails we have another of Vichys products to fall back on:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vichy-Dercos-set-Vichy-Dercos-Aminexil-PRO-12x6ml-2x100ml-Dercos-Shampoo-BNIB-/271065507930?_trksid=p4340.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%2 6asc%3D11%26meid%3D2307064411215426149%26pid%3D100 011%26prg%3D1005%26rk%3D2%26sd%3D190726793090%26


hahahahahahahaaa what a waste of money if you bought Neogenic lol ahahahahaaaa.

thechamp
09-25-2012, 10:57 PM
Glad I didn't buy this:)

Eldarion
09-25-2012, 11:31 PM
Only one person is trying it at the moment, but 10 write it snake oil. Lol
Is it so hard to wait for reviews of other people if you can not afford to try it for yourself.
I think this product may be analogous to minoxidil.

elusive52
09-26-2012, 01:11 AM
^^ Thats what I got too.

Doesnt look very "game-breaking" to me, as the producers had promised it would be.

It's coming across as a new shampoo or conditioner as opposed to the great holy grail cure for hair loss.

What a leaking bag of horse piss.

hey uk, you seem very bitter, take it easy man you'll have a heart attack...

if its bullshit i wasted my money so you guys can find out, then no one else will buy it and its over for them.

at least this way millions wont be buying it if it is a scam.

i dont see how you can be so sure it wont work until at least some have tried it, bit stupid that. if we all have that attitude to everything that comes out we will never find a solution.

if you cant afford it now, just wait until we get the results and you dont have to waste your money...relax!!!

ps. 1700 new hairs is a lot and i would easily be able to to notice that without any equipment.

gutted
09-26-2012, 06:09 AM
Only one person is trying it at the moment, but 10 write it snake oil. Lol
Is it so hard to wait for reviews of other people if you can not afford to try it for yourself.
I think this product may be analogous to minoxidil.

i can just imagine, when this so called "cure" is released it too will be snake oil!!! lol

doke
09-26-2012, 06:25 AM
Where is jcm are you still on trx2 and gutted how many weeks have you now been on neogenic as you know many are hoping for great things.

gutted
09-26-2012, 06:30 AM
Where is jcm are you still on trx2 and gutted how many weeks have you now been on neogenic as you know many are hoping for great things.

since the 14th sept.
im not the one to tell you whethere this grows hair or not, i recentley shedded some hairs and im expecting them to grow back, so i cant with 100% certainty say its from neogenic.

someone using it alone is a more reliable source.

the_dude78
09-26-2012, 06:52 AM
hey uk, you seem very bitter, take it easy man you'll have a heart attack...

if its bullshit i wasted my money so you guys can find out, then no one else will buy it and its over for them.

at least this way millions wont be buying it if it is a scam.

i dont see how you can be so sure it wont work until at least some have tried it, bit stupid that. if we all have that attitude to everything that comes out we will never find a solution.

if you cant afford it now, just wait until we get the results and you dont have to waste your money...relax!!!

ps. 1700 new hairs is a lot and i would easily be able to to notice that without any equipment.

I'm glad someone is willing to test this, and I'm looking forward to hearing about your, hopefully good, results. Before and after pictures would ofc be great :)

the_dude78
09-26-2012, 06:54 AM
since the 14th sept.
im not the one to tell you whethere this grows hair or not, i recentley shedded some hairs and im expecting them to grow back, so i cant with 100% certainty say its from neogenic.

someone using it alone is a more reliable source.

Someone whith stabilized hair loss would also be good.

Artista
09-26-2012, 07:00 AM
I too APPRECIATE those of you who would ,not only spend the time and money to test this product, but to ALSO share with the rest of us their outcomes. You members truly are BROTHERS here and should not be demeaned. (if that is the case)
Thanks guys.

elusive52
09-26-2012, 08:24 AM
Someone whith stabilized hair loss would also be good.

hi i am actually using propecia aswell. all that has ever done is stabilize the loss, never really grown any back.

it will be very easy for me to tell if this neogenic does what they claim.

garethbale
09-26-2012, 11:28 AM
I too APPRECIATE those of you who would ,not only spend the time and money to test this product, but to ALSO share with the rest of us their outcomes. You members truly are BROTHERS here and should not be demeaned. (if that is the case)
Thanks guys.



cue cheesy music:D

vinnytr
09-27-2012, 02:22 AM
hey uk, you seem very bitter, take it easy man you'll have a heart attack...

if its bullshit i wasted my money so you guys can find out, then no one else will buy it and its over for them.

at least this way millions wont be buying it if it is a scam.

i dont see how you can be so sure it wont work until at least some have tried it, bit stupid that. if we all have that attitude to everything that comes out we will never find a solution.

if you cant afford it now, just wait until we get the results and you dont have to waste your money...relax!!!

ps. 1700 new hairs is a lot and i would easily be able to to notice that without any equipment.


+1

Please tell us what your results will be after 3 months time .

How old are you ?
What NW are you ?
Are you using anything else ?

I have started using revivogen 1 month ago and although since then i have been reading its total crap from a few sources that apparently used it for months i am still going to use it for 3 months to see if there is any difference where as If i knock it now i will never find out if it works or not.

doke
09-27-2012, 02:46 AM
I too APPRECIATE those of you who would ,not only spend the time and money to test this product, but to ALSO share with the rest of us their outcomes. You members truly are BROTHERS here and should not be demeaned. (if that is the case)
Thanks guys.
Ha ha ha anyone remember uk boyband brother beyond hahaha

UK_
09-27-2012, 03:36 AM
To all those people coming on this thread praising those who are "testing" this product:

Have you ever thought to yourselves for a moment "why on earth am I waiting on a complete stranger in a forum to see if a cosmetic treatment works?" - I mean think about it - if this product truly worked - they'd have a complete charade of evidence of efficacy behind them - unsurprisingly like every other garbage product that has ever been released THEY DONT!

To treat hair loss - you need a component along the lines of cell therapy, to be able to not only grow hair on your head but also on your feet and hands too if the therapy were to be applied there - not some dodgy foreign topical sold on ebay.

UK_
09-27-2012, 03:39 AM
hi i am actually using propecia aswell. all that has ever done is stabilize the loss, never really grown any back.

it will be very easy for me to tell if this neogenic does what they claim.

So your results about Neogenic are completely worthless lol - even if you get efficacy nobody here can tie it to Neogenic.

This is why I stated there should have been a controlled study - unfortunately the company didnt need to - they already knew how stupid and gullible the public would be due to their previous success with Aminexil, they spend the money on marketing (conferences and cheap ads) instead of proper R&D, then released a cosmetic, beautiful!

You call me bitter - but take a look at the title of this website - there's a reason it's called that.

I might be bitter - but id rather be bitter than stand in line with the faecal laborious irritatingly stupid dross that is the general public, that cant seem to stop getting themselves into unimaginable amounts of personal debt, buying worthless consumables for the sake of it, living a lifestyle beyond their means & falling perpetually for the hyped up marketing of these lying corporations.

elusive52
09-27-2012, 06:01 AM
So your results about Neogenic are completely worthless lol - even if you get efficacy nobody here can tie it to Neogenic.

This is why I stated there should have been a controlled study - unfortunately the company didnt need to - they already knew how stupid and gullible the public would be due to their previous success with Aminexil, they spend the money on marketing (conferences and cheap ads) instead of proper R&D, then released a cosmetic, beautiful!

You call me bitter - but take a look at the title of this website - there's a reason it's called that.

I might be bitter - but id rather be bitter than stand in line with the faecal laborious irritatingly stupid dross that is the general public, that cant seem to stop getting themselves into unimaginable amounts of personal debt, buying worthless consumables for the sake of it, living a lifestyle beyond their means & falling perpetually for the hyped up marketing of these lying corporations.

hi, i've been taking propecia for years, all its ever done is stop/stabilise the hair loss.

if neogenic works (and by works i mean grows average 1700 'NEW' hairs as they claim) then i will be able to tell with ease. and if the same happened for others then we know its for real.

also you probably say they are fake but the company (vichy) has released photographic evidence of this product growing new hair. if its all bullshit we will find out sooner rather than later.

other people on here will know better than me but im sure the reason they dont carry out all the studies as you say is because they are releasing this as a cosmetic product not a certified drug that has to get fda approval etc saving millions and a whole lot of time. maybe im wrong about this, others can put me right...

and of course we need a wide selection of people on here to try it, that are not on propecia, are on it, on minox, etc etc etc.

if i do get any positive results i will stop propecia immediately and just use this.

as for people getting into debt...this product only needs to be used for 3 months, if there are no results after this time period it will be easy to call it a fake. so i will only of lost £210, not really that much is it?

cheers.

youngin
09-27-2012, 06:24 AM
I'm a NW6 and only using Retin-A which I can quit any time. I'll do a controlled study if someone buys it for me :) lol

UK_
09-27-2012, 06:44 AM
I'm a NW6 and only using Retin-A which I can quit any time. I'll do a controlled study if someone buys it for me :) lol

There's no need to - Retin A will not create the biological miracle of regenerating fully functional hair follicles, you might end up with a less wrinkly head as you age though.

And money isnt the issue - especially when the producers are a multinational corporation - the very fact that said company has not conducted proper clinical investigation rings alarm bells - they did the same for Aminexil in 2003, that turned out well.

UK_
09-27-2012, 06:48 AM
hi, i've been taking propecia for years, all its ever done is stop/stabilise the hair loss.

(1) if neogenic works (and by works i mean grows average 1700 'NEW' hairs as they claim) then i will be able to tell with ease. and if the same happened for others then we know its for real.

also you probably say they are fake but the company (vichy) has released photographic evidence of this product growing new hair. if its all bullshit we will find out sooner rather than later.

other people on here will know better than me but im sure (2) the reason they dont carry out all the studies as you say is because they are releasing this as a cosmetic product not a certified drug that has to get fda approval etc saving millions and a whole lot of time. maybe im wrong about this, others can put me right...

and of course we need a wide selection of people on here to try it, that are not on propecia, are on it, on minox, etc etc etc.

if i do get any positive results i will stop propecia immediately and just use this.

as for people getting into debt...this product only needs to be used for 3 months, if there are no results after this time period it will be easy to call it a fake. so i will only of lost £210, not really that much is it?

cheers.

(1) I find it beyond hilarious that you even toy with the belief that this product could achieve such a feat - how on earth would such a biological mechanism even work? You're talking of a topical COSMETIC treatment being able to perform something the most sophisticated labs across the globe cant even get their heads around.

(2) They're not SAVING MILLIONS by not going through the FDA route *face palm* Jesus Christ man you know what? Go ahead, buy it.

youngin
09-27-2012, 06:49 AM
There's no need to - Retin A will not create the biological miracle of regenerating fully functional hair follicles, you might end up with a less wrinkly head as you age though.

And money isnt the issue - especially when the producers are a multinational corporation - the very fact that said company has not conducted proper clinical investigation rings alarm bells - they did the same for Aminexil in 2003, that turned out well.

On the contrary, Retin-A has worked quite well to an extent. Weather its thickening vellus hairs or grown new hairs.. I don't know. But its doing something. Studies have already shown that it works to an extent and boosts minox. I have done my research. I still may try Neogenic since I have a very nice camera and keep a shaved head, it would be easy to see any regrowth.

gutted
09-27-2012, 06:50 AM
On the contrary, Retin-A has worked quite well to an extent. Weather its thickening vellus hairs or grown new hairs.. I don't know. But its doing something. Studies have already shown that it works to an extent and boosts minox. I have done my research. I still may try Neogenic since I have a very nice camera and keep a shaved head, it would be easy to see any regrowth.

nw6's are probably the last people that would respond to neogenic.

youngin
09-27-2012, 06:54 AM
nw6's are probably the last people that would respond to neogenic.

I still have alot of vellus hairs. If it doesnt turn vellus hairs into terminal then what use is it to any NW.

UK_
09-27-2012, 06:58 AM
On the contrary, Retin-A has worked quite well to an extent. (? - either it works or it doesnt) Weather its thickening vellus hairs or grown new hairs.. I don't know. But its doing something. Studies have already shown that it works to an extent and boosts minox. I have done my research. I still may try Neogenic since I have a very nice camera and keep a shaved head, it would be easy to see any regrowth.

What studies? Can you cite them?

There are lists of studies that can even be dated back to the 70's that show a positive impact on hair loss - none of them however are released because they're truly not effective in the sense that we need them to be. They're (as you rightfully put it) effective to an extent - but if that extent is growing 1 or 2 vellus hairs over a period of 6 months, sorry that's not a viable treatment worthy of my time or money.

elusive52
09-27-2012, 08:19 AM
(1) I find it beyond hilarious that you even toy with the belief that this product could achieve such a feat - how on earth would such a biological mechanism even work? You're talking of a topical COSMETIC treatment being able to perform something the most sophisticated labs across the globe cant even get their heads around.

(2) They're not SAVING MILLIONS by not going through the FDA route *face palm* Jesus Christ man you know what? Go ahead, buy it.

1. i dont get your logic. We are talking about loreal here, the worlds largest cosmetic company, thats who owns vichy. they do have access to highly sophisticated labs and years of research.

i said they 'RELEASE' it as a cosmetic product to sidestep all the incredibly difficult obstacles that an fda approved 'DRUG' (like propecia) needs to go through.

2. do you know how much money it takes to conduct clinical phase 1,2,3 trials? millions... and the time. look at histogen...

gutted
09-27-2012, 08:22 AM
I still have alot of vellus hairs. If it doesnt turn vellus hairs into terminal then what use is it to any NW.

are you on any other treatments apart from retin A?

Erick
09-28-2012, 01:17 AM
Gutted you seem to be extremely active in this thread

doke
09-28-2012, 01:29 AM
I think gutted is like most here we have seen hype about a product how ever small and need to grasp at straws,ive been there done it and as we or the company has no proof of regrowth on a large amount of mpb human trials its very frustrating.
We all hope gutted gets success and even if he does will it work on us im thinking that the company should have some proof of regrowth before selling this product at a higher price than minoxidil and propecia which at least have thousends of trials on human mpb.

gutted
09-28-2012, 05:42 AM
Gutted you seem to be extremely active in this thread

i think you'll see im extremeley active in the whole forum.

vinnytr
09-28-2012, 07:08 AM
Gutted you seem to be extremely active in this thread

What exactly is that supposed to mean ? :confused:

UK_
09-28-2012, 07:22 AM
1. i dont get your logic. We are talking about loreal here, the worlds largest cosmetic company, thats who owns vichy. they do have access to highly sophisticated labs and years of research.

i said they 'RELEASE' it as a cosmetic product to sidestep all the incredibly difficult obstacles that an fda approved 'DRUG' (like propecia) needs to go through.

2. do you know how much money it takes to conduct clinical phase 1,2,3 trials? millions... and the time. look at histogen...

Dont get my logic? Well how else can I get through to you? Concentrate on the following statement for a moment, use every brain cell you have if that's what it takes:

Loreal being a large and powerful company has nothing to do with the efficacy of the products they produce, because, if you rewind back to 2003, Loreal (your almighty powerful corporation) released a product called AMINEXIL - which was intended to increase hair growth by 6% - THAT FAILED. So being a large company has nothing to do with it, you say they have research centres, IF THEY HAVE RESEARCH CENTRES, WHERE ON EARTH IS THE GOD DAMN RESEARCH?!?!?!

The very fact that Loreal mitigated clinical trials DOES NOT automatically entitle the belief that they did so to avoid regulatory cost pressures and time - like you said, Loreal are a powerful corporation, I am sure if Histogen can afford to trial gene therapy loreal can afford to trial their product. The reason they mitigated clinical trials is because this is a COSMETIC product with ZERO CLINICAL DATA FOR EFFICACY - if you want to be stupid enough to believe a cosmetic product with zero evidence will grow you hair, GO AHEAD, BUY A BOAT LOAD!

My challenge to you:

This is all I have to say on the matter - if you cant provide me any evidence of efficacy for this product in your next post, do not reply.

UK_
09-28-2012, 07:25 AM
i think you'll see im extremeley active in the whole forum.

That means nothing - there are a fair few who have been visiting constantly and posting actively on these threads, means nothing.

gutted
09-28-2012, 07:34 AM
That means nothing - there are a fair few who have been visiting constantly and posting actively on these threads, means nothing.

yeah i agree with you, i dont understand what erick was implying??

elusive52
09-28-2012, 08:43 AM
Dont get my logic? Well how else can I get through to you? Concentrate on the following statement for a moment, use every brain cell you have if that's what it takes:

Loreal being a large and powerful company has nothing to do with the efficacy of the products they produce, because, if you rewind back to 2003, Loreal (your almighty powerful corporation) released a product called AMINEXIL - which was intended to increase hair growth by 6% - THAT FAILED. So being a large company has nothing to do with it, you say they have research centres, IF THEY HAVE RESEARCH CENTRES, WHERE ON EARTH IS THE GOD DAMN RESEARCH?!?!?!

The very fact that Loreal mitigated clinical trials DOES NOT automatically entitle the belief that they did so to avoid regulatory cost pressures and time - like you said, Loreal are a powerful corporation, I am sure if Histogen can afford to trial gene therapy loreal can afford to trial their product. The reason they mitigated clinical trials is because this is a COSMETIC product with ZERO CLINICAL DATA FOR EFFICACY - if you want to be stupid enough to believe a cosmetic product with zero evidence will grow you hair, GO AHEAD, BUY A BOAT LOAD!

My challenge to you:

This is all I have to say on the matter - if you cant provide me any evidence of efficacy for this product in your next post, do not reply.

man i think your manners fell out with your hair!!! you have a very bad attitude, change it...theres a good little boy. would you like me to refer you to a good anger management class?

your challenge is not for me to answer, you need to contact vichy for that.

and you keep changing the argument. i simply argued that they do have sophisticated labs and years of research, its not like they are a nobody company.

they have provided pics clearly showing new hair growth. now if a huge corporation got caught faking pics then it would be hugely damaging for them so i dont believe they would do that. do you think they FAKED the pic?

why havent they released research? maybe they will release it, who knows. if you see their marketing plan, it is a stage by stage process, neogenic is not even listed on their site yet.

i think they are slowly releasing it to gauge the feedback. but as i said previously, i dont know, its all conjecture.

what you need to realise is, i as you have no idea whether or not this is full of shit but i think its worth a try. if you dont, just dont buy it....simple.

and calm down ffs...(you know anger and stress is a major cause of hair loss LOL...)

BaldinLikeBaldwin
09-28-2012, 09:19 AM
man i think your manners fell out with your hair!!! you have a very bad attitude, change it...theres a good little boy. would you like me to refer you to a good anger management class?


you should've just stopped there and realised not to waste any time on these bitter old bald garbage man trolls

elusive52
09-28-2012, 10:18 AM
you should've just stopped there and realised not to waste any time on these bitter old bald garbage man trolls

LOL...

i think you may be right!

Pate
09-29-2012, 12:47 AM
they have provided pics clearly showing new hair growth. now if a huge corporation got caught faking pics then it would be hugely damaging for them so i dont believe they would do that. do you think they FAKED the pic?

why havent they released research? maybe they will release it, who knows. if you see their marketing plan, it is a stage by stage process, neogenic is not even listed on their site yet.

Where are these pics? I have been looking for some but haven't found any, even google isn't proving much help.

I agree though, I doubt L'Oreal would outright fake pics. You do have to remember though that those are the BEST pics, not the typical pics.

I think they have actually released research too - scientific papers on the mechanism etc. I remember reading about it somewhere.

Dazza
09-29-2012, 05:23 AM
Where are these pics? I have been looking for some but haven't found any, even google isn't proving much help.

I agree though, I doubt L'Oreal would outright fake pics. You do have to remember though that those are the BEST pics, not the typical pics.

I think they have actually released research too - scientific papers on the mechanism etc. I remember reading about it somewhere.

Think the picture he was referring to was posted in this thread, try page 82.

UK_
09-29-2012, 05:47 AM
man i think your manners fell out with your hair!!! you have a very bad attitude, change it...theres a good little boy. would you like me to refer you to a good anger management class?

your challenge is not for me to answer, you need to contact vichy for that.

and you keep changing the argument. i simply argued that they do have sophisticated labs and years of research, its not like they are a nobody company.

they have provided pics clearly showing new hair growth. now if a huge corporation got caught faking pics then it would be hugely damaging for them so i dont believe they would do that. do you think they FAKED the pic?

why havent they released research? maybe they will release it, who knows. if you see their marketing plan, it is a stage by stage process, neogenic is not even listed on their site yet.

i think they are slowly releasing it to gauge the feedback. but as i said previously, i dont know, its all conjecture.

what you need to realise is, i as you have no idea whether or not this is full of shit but i think its worth a try. if you dont, just dont buy it....simple.

and calm down ffs...(you know anger and stress is a major cause of hair loss LOL...) .

Is that all you have? You're going to refer me to page 82 of this thread and tell me these 2 - 3 hairs are proof of a hair loss cure?

Where are the actual macrophotographic assessments? What is the hair count? lol 3 hairs? LOL - so after 3 months a NW5 earns himself 3 hairs? A bit different to the quoted 1700 they initially stated right? - I mean, im trying to understand what type of brain would be stupid enough not to ****ing see this?

You say that a company as large as Loreal would not fabricate results - oh what a bumbling moronic fool you truly are, corporations have proven over the past few years to be the biggest liars in industry - only the retarded sheep-like dross general public which constitutes mostly people like you continuously fall for their bullshit, from banks to hair loss it's all about money you ****ing idiot.

Let me take you back to 2003, if you believe corporations are incapable of lying then how do you explain this:

http://www.divineskin.com/spectraldnc/aminexil.asp

Study those graphs, because according to Loreal (Vichy), the supreme corporation, Aminexil was the ****ing holy grail.

There's no need for you to laugh at my posts, we all know who's going to be the joke by December when Neogenic fades into the darkness with the rest of the bullshit products released by your almighty "Vichy" corporation.

P.S. if Loreal truly had the cure to hair loss you'd think they'd plaster it over the world and release it under LOREAL, I mean think about it, if YOU found the cure to hair loss wouldnt you want your name out there? LOL.

UK_
09-29-2012, 05:53 AM
Where are these pics? I have been looking for some but haven't found any, even google isn't proving much help.

I agree though, I doubt L'Oreal would outright fake pics. You do have to remember though that those are the BEST pics, not the typical pics.

I think they have actually released research too - scientific papers on the mechanism etc. I remember reading about it somewhere.

"Scientific papers" were also released for the product Aminexil, it means nothing.

There were no clinical trails so there is no way of telling how safe/effective the product is, although I feel it is very safe yet highly ineffective as no topical lotion is going to treat hair loss to the standards most Norwoods beyond NW2 require, this requires cell therapy, we're attempting to preserve and/or regrow organs here - once people on this thread get that concept into their ****ing heads perhaps we can have more intelligible discussions on the matter.

UK_
09-29-2012, 05:56 AM
you should've just stopped there and realised not to waste any time on these bitter old bald garbage man trolls

I'm not asking you to listen to me, this is all a charade for me to understand the inexcusably stupid consumption patterns of the general public, granted I should have gone for a wider sample.

elusive52
09-29-2012, 07:44 AM
Is that all you have? You're going to refer me to page 82 of this thread and tell me these 2 - 3 hairs are proof of a hair loss cure?

Where are the actual macrophotographic assessments? What is the hair count? lol 3 hairs? LOL - so after 3 months a NW5 earns himself 3 hairs? A bit different to the quoted 1700 they initially stated right? - I mean, im trying to understand what type of brain would be stupid enough not to ****ing see this?

You say that a company as large as Loreal would not fabricate results - oh what a bumbling moronic fool you truly are, corporations have proven over the past few years to be the biggest liars in industry - only the retarded sheep-like dross general public which constitutes mostly people like you continuously fall for their bullshit, from banks to hair loss it's all about money you ****ing idiot.

Let me take you back to 2003, if you believe corporations are incapable of lying then how do you explain this:

http://www.divineskin.com/spectraldnc/aminexil.asp

Study those graphs, because according to Loreal (Vichy), the supreme corporation, Aminexil was the ****ing holy grail.

There's no need for you to laugh at my posts, we all know who's going to be the joke by December when Neogenic fades into the darkness with the rest of the bullshit products released by your almighty "Vichy" corporation.

P.S. if Loreal truly had the cure to hair loss you'd think they'd plaster it over the world and release it under LOREAL, I mean think about it, if YOU found the cure to hair loss wouldnt you want your name out there? LOL.

you obviously have some very serious issues, so i think its best to leave you to stew in your bitterness and anger and leave it there.

cheers.

Conpecia
09-29-2012, 07:56 AM
I'm with UK here. Just look at the marketing alone. If this was a potential cure or even a somewhat effective treatment it would be sold by L'Oreal proper and not Vichy, there would be detailed photographic evidence, and FAR more fanfare. It would be all over the Internet. Google Histogen, a treatment we may not see for 5 more years, then google Neogenic, a treatment that is actually out. Seems like Histogen is more popular; the only people talking about Neogenic are the hairloss forums like us. That makes no sense if a cosmetic giant like L'Oreal has actually manufactured a decent treatment for mpb. And like UK, I'm also having a hard time understanding why there's this "Well, they haven't given us any reason to believe it will work, but nevertheless, it COULD work, so let's all buy it" mentality. Are you guys awake? Anybody looking at anything else on this forum? A ton of people just got ripped off buying fake equol from Folexen, a ton of people bought into Replicel's exaggerations back in March, invested, and lost money. For the love of God, this SAME COMPANY released a product claiming the SAME THING and it ended up totally bombing. I just don't get it. The skepticism is far too low. I'll be glad to be proven wrong and I will even buy the stuff myself if it works, but Jesus no way do I think it will, and no way in hell would I defend it at this point.

clandestine
09-29-2012, 10:29 AM
Basically, fuᴄk Neogenic and fuᴄk L'Oreal until they can show us results i.e. macrophotography. I'm with UK_ and Conpecia on this one.

Erick
09-29-2012, 01:29 PM
I ordered Neogenic and should get it either today or monday. I was thinking about also buying Trx2 but I will hold that for a while, so if I do get results it will due to Neogenic since fin has been basically done all it can.

thechamp
09-29-2012, 05:52 PM
So gutted any sign of hair loss stopping?

gutted
09-29-2012, 06:56 PM
So gutted any sign of hair loss stopping?

my hair loss stopped quite some time ago champ :) i dont attribute it to neogenic.

Pate
09-29-2012, 07:17 PM
[B]"Scientific papers" were also released for the product Aminexil, it means nothing.

Well no, it means something. It means there is a valid scientific mechanism behind the product that probably does have some (minor) effect on stimulating hair growth. Aminexil did too.

It just doesn't mean that mechanism is going to have the power to do anything more than than piss in the wind against the mechanism that causes MPB. Because the MPB mechanism is extremely powerful.

I don't think Neogenic will prove any more successful than minox and it'll probably prove less so. All these treatments - minox, aminexil, stemoxydine, capsaicin, vitamin E, procyanidins... they probably do have some minor effect, and that's the reason they are showing positive results in vitro. As in, they have a positive effect on the growth of hair cells in a test tube.

The problem is when you progress from in vitro to a man with MPB, this small effect on hair cells is totally swamped by the mechanism of MPB, which just destroys everything in its path.

Pate
09-29-2012, 07:35 PM
Think the picture he was referring to was posted in this thread, try page 82.

Thanks Dazza. There's so much crap posted on these forums sometimes it's hard to see everything!

I'm undecided about the pic. Simply having a couple of new hairs doesn't mean anything because natural variation means hair count in a small area will wax and wane. But a couple of those other hairs look thicker and darker as well.

To be honest even if these results are genuine they are not ground-breaking and I'm not going to spend basically $100/month on it to get a few extra hairs. I will not be trying this product.

Also interesting how in the post below that there was the "forum infiltration" plan. I guess we need to keep an eye out for this, because they will come to BTT for sure.

LPSboxing
09-29-2012, 09:43 PM
Well no, it means something. It means there is a valid scientific mechanism behind the product that probably does have some (minor) effect on stimulating hair growth. Aminexil did too.

It just doesn't mean that mechanism is going to have the power to do anything more than than piss in the wind against the mechanism that causes MPB. Because the MPB mechanism is extremely powerful.

I don't think Neogenic will prove any more successful than minox and it'll probably prove less so. All these treatments - minox, aminexil, stemoxydine, capsaicin, vitamin E, procyanidins... they probably do have some minor effect, and that's the reason they are showing positive results in vitro. As in, they have a positive effect on the growth of hair cells in a test tube.

The problem is when you progress from in vitro to a man with MPB, this small effect on hair cells is totally swamped by the mechanism of MPB, which just destroys everything in its path.

hey wait a second, this post actually makes sense! heresy!

it's hard to find posts that make sense on a balding forums nowadays

UK_
09-30-2012, 06:33 AM
Well no, it means something. It means there is a valid scientific mechanism behind the product that probably does have some (minor) effect on stimulating hair growth. Aminexil did too.

It just doesn't mean that mechanism is going to have the power to do anything more than than piss in the wind against the mechanism that causes MPB. Because the MPB mechanism is extremely powerful.

I don't think Neogenic will prove any more successful than minox and it'll probably prove less so. All these treatments - minox, aminexil, stemoxydine, capsaicin, vitamin E, procyanidins... they probably do have some minor effect, and that's the reason they are showing positive results in vitro. As in, they have a positive effect on the growth of hair cells in a test tube.

The problem is when you progress from in vitro to a man with MPB, this small effect on hair cells is totally swamped by the mechanism of MPB, which just destroys everything in its path.

What about the rest of my quote? I stated that "no topical lotion is going to treat hair loss to the standards most Norwoods beyond NW2 require", I appreciate there may be "science" behind a product, hell, there's science behind a large quantity of drugs/treatments that have shown anecdotal evidence of hair growth stemming way back to the 1970's, but it means nothing.

What scientific papers were released? I havent been able to have a read of these - and people on other forums are laughing at everyone here for giving Neogenic so much attention - I usually dont respond to these quasi-scientific hyper-commercial releases because for the past 20 years every last one of them (accompanied with copious "scientific papers") has been an utter failure, this will be no different.

People call me bitter - but IMO belief is always a fools game.

Sogeking
09-30-2012, 11:44 AM
What about the rest of my quote? I stated that "no topical lotion is going to treat hair loss to the standards most Norwoods beyond NW2 require", I appreciate there may be "science" behind a product, hell, there's science behind a large quantity of drugs/treatments that have shown anecdotal evidence of hair growth stemming way back to the 1970's, but it means nothing.

What scientific papers were released? I havent been able to have a read of these - and people on other forums are laughing at everyone here for giving Neogenic so much attention - I usually dont respond to these quasi-scientific hyper-commercial releases because for the past 20 years every last one of them (accompanied with copious "scientific papers") has been an utter failure, this will be no different.

People call me bitter - but IMO belief is always a fools game.
@bold part
Well it is basically what Pate said. He stated that in best case scenario if the science behind it is real it will have some minor effect. Minor effect means it won't put a dent to the missing are of hair on NW 1 let alone on NW 2. At best this might slow down the process due to the less blood supply meaning less DHT attacking the hair follicels but in a way the same can be said about Nizoral. And despite of it all I haven't heard anything about Nizoral growing some hair. Howeve I do think it can to a minor extent slow it down.

So paying 100$ dollars for a product that MIGHT slow down hairloss is simply not enough for me.

In short I concurr with both you and Pate. Just wanted to clarify Pates opinion hope I was right.

Pate
09-30-2012, 10:17 PM
What about the rest of my quote? I stated that "no topical lotion is going to treat hair loss to the standards most Norwoods beyond NW2 require",

If you want an argument you're going to have to choose another subject. ;)

I agree, for the reasons I said in my post - as Sogeking pointed out. The only topical lotion that would stand a chance is one that targets the actual mechanism of MPB, not one that just enhances hair growth. We're still many years away from that, although the progress made in the last couple of years on the PGD2 front is pretty impressive IMO.


What scientific papers were released? I havent been able to have a read of these - and people on other forums are laughing at everyone here for giving Neogenic so much attention

To be honest I don't remember, because I wasn't terribly interested. I don't even remember whether they were peer-reviewed journal papers or just research papers. I've never thought Neogenic will grow much hair, especially on men. I just remember coming across some research from these guys on the stemoxydine mechanism.

I'd give it a try, maybe, if it was the price of generic minox. But for nearly $100/month to grow 4% density, no way. I need 200% density increase, not 4%.

Erick
10-05-2012, 12:55 AM
I had my package arrive yesterday, there's only one problem the damn mail doesn't deliver to your house. You have to go to the damn post office to pick it up. If I knew that was the case I probably wouldn't have ordered it.

the_dude78
10-05-2012, 05:30 AM
I had my package arrive yesterday, there's only one problem the damn mail doesn't deliver to your house. You have to go to the damn post office to pick it up. If I knew that was the case I probably wouldn't have ordered it.

wtf?!

Do they have a giant t-rex guarding the entrance to the post office??

Erick
10-05-2012, 09:25 PM
wtf?!

Do they have a giant t-rex guarding the entrance to the post office??

No, they have ghosts

the_dude78
10-06-2012, 03:15 AM
No, they have ghosts

Makes sense then. Good luck, you'll need it.

ammin
10-06-2012, 01:40 PM
Hi Gutted,

Can you please list all the ingredients in Neogenic? What are your thoughts on the long term effects of stemoxydine? sides and otherwise

Thanks!


My combo seems to be really working BTW...but then I didnt have aggressive MPB to begin with. Secondly, I dont know what specific product or device to attribute my significant but short term sucess to.

I wouldnt yet call MSM and Vit C a part of my combo as I took 5 days off it when I went abroad for a company visit

gutted
10-06-2012, 05:04 PM
Hi Gutted,

Can you please list all the ingredients in Neogenic? What are your thoughts on the long term effects of stemoxydine? sides and otherwise

Thanks!


My combo seems to be really working BTW...but then I didnt have aggressive MPB to begin with. Secondly, I dont know what specific product or device to attribute my significant but short term sucess to.

I wouldnt yet call MSM and Vit C a part of my combo as I took 5 days off it when I went abroad for a company visit


ive stopped applying neogenic in the frontal region, i only apply a bit to the hairline now so the whole box should last a few months. Im confident my combo works, hence why i decided to stop neogenic, but just to see if it does regrow hair i will continue applying to the hairline.

as for the ingredients i will look on the box and list tomorow. I dont think you can get any sides from it.

a few days off it wont hurt, the max ive been off the combo is 7 days before i noticed effects on my scalp.

thechamp
10-06-2012, 05:50 PM
So gutted this product is a scam?

BigThinker
10-06-2012, 06:11 PM
No, they have ghosts

Who you gonna call?

the_dude78
10-07-2012, 06:57 AM
ive stopped applying neogenic in the frontal region, i only apply a bit to the hairline now so the whole box should last a few months. Im confident my combo works, hence why i decided to stop neogenic, but just to see if it does regrow hair i will continue applying to the hairline.

as for the ingredients i will look on the box and list tomorow. I dont think you can get any sides from it.

a few days off it wont hurt, the max ive been off the combo is 7 days before i noticed effects on my scalp.

I think people misunderstand "regrow hair" in this context. Neogenic will not regrow hair that you have lost, It will only wake up dormant hair prematurely so that more follicles are active at the same time, and therefore your hair will seem more dense. It's just syncing up your follicles.

Or am I the one who got it wrong?

gutted
10-07-2012, 08:44 AM
I think people misunderstand "regrow hair" in this context. Neogenic will not regrow hair that you have lost, It will only wake up dormant hair prematurely so that more follicles are active at the same time, and therefore your hair will seem more dense. It's just syncing up your follicles.

Or am I the one who got it wrong?

this is what i thought too.

gutted
10-07-2012, 08:46 AM
So gutted this product is a scam?

ive only been using for 3 weeks. I really cant be bothered with topicals! they're so much of a hassle for me. And im pretty confident the combo im on alone is far better than this neogenic.

I will continue to apply in the mid hairline area just to see what this does if anything.

new bubble
10-07-2012, 09:03 AM
ive only been using for 3 weeks. I really cant be bothered with topicals! they're so much of a hassle for me. And im pretty confident the combo im on alone is far better than this neogenic.

I will continue to apply in the mid hairline area just to see what this does if anything.

Gutted: how long have you been on the combo

gutted
10-07-2012, 09:41 AM
Gutted: how long have you been on the combo

18 months to 2 years. Cant remember exactly.

GuyFromUK
10-07-2012, 10:11 AM
Am I the only one who can see this here, or can everyone else not realise that the BaldTruthTalk forum is being completely hijacked by people working for TRX2. And now they are hijacking this thread on Neogenic.

First of all they started a TRX2 thread a while back and created profiles of lots of different people supposedly taking TRX2. They then get a long winded discussion going on their product. To make the fake discussion seem balanced and believable some of them are supposedly against TRX2, some are in favour of it, but most likely in a year or two from now their thread will come to the conclusion that TRX2 miraculously works. I imagine is how professional forum infiltration is carried out.

If you don't believe me then ask yourself this, 1) Why were so many of the baldtruth accounts of the "different" people on the TRX2 thread created in the same month as each other, which coincidentally was the month TRX2 was launched, 2) Why did another hairloss forum (which I won't name here) ban some of their users who it turned out had the same IP address as each other and who were both constantly discussing TRX2. 3) Why do such a disproportionately and suspiciously large number of people visit the TRX2 thread (far more than threads on proven products like propecia/minoxidil or other interesting future treatments like Histogen, Replicel, Aderans etc) - is it because so much of the traffic is coming from their marketing staff generating this fake discussion.

What gets even more annoying is when the staff at TRX2 realised that their TRX2 thread on this forum was getting boring and stale they then created another thread with some new rubbish idea that by mixing TRX2 with Vitamin C it will supposedly be the cure to hairloss. Its like they had this brainwave that people weren't buying into TRX2 as much as they wanted so lets create more fake users on the forum and make this "new discovery" that vitamin c needs to be mixed with TRX2 for it to work. They are doing everything they can to not let the TRX2 discussion come to an end.

Now that Neogenic from L'oreal has come along TRX2 are worried that this new product is going to steal some of their share of the hairloss marketplace so the same users have now infiltrated this forum and during the next few months will probably conclude that Neogenic doesn't work. They are scared of Neogenic hence the negative articles they are writing about it on their website: http://www.trx2.com/community/loreals-upcoming-hair-loss-product-based-on-stem-cell-research-and-a-warning/

They even use Spencer's good name on their website to try and discredit TRX2.

I know that Spencer doesn't have much faith in Neogenic but they shouldn't be allowed to use his name to try and discredit Neogenic and essentially validate their own product.

I personally don't hold out much hope for Neogenic but it does annoy me that the people on this forum who are supposedly testing the product are in my opinion working for TRX2 and aren't even taking it. It is sad that hairloss sufferers are being taken for fools by these negative marketing tactics.

My advice for anyone is don't risk wasting your money on Neogenic until more proof has come out that it works. And definitely don't waste any money on TRX2, they are in my opinion a company which utilises completely immoral marketing tactics. If their product really worked they wouldn't need to use such aggressive marketing. It is also so annoying that they think because they went to Oxford University that this somehow means their product works, hundreds of thousands of people around the world have been to Oxford University it doesn't mean they hold the clue to hairless. I am ashamed to be from the same country as these people.

I really wish the folks at the BaldTruthTalk would delete the TRX2 discussions and have a purge of all the potentially dodgy forum users. They are destroying the forum for everyone else and make me not want to come back here again.

Sorry for this negative post but this really annoys me. I would bet my house that I am not wrong on TRX2 staff infiltrating the 2 TRX2 threads and this Neogenic thread.

gutted
10-07-2012, 10:25 AM
im no trx2 staff...

forum infiltration is part of loreals agenda, if anything you should be more concerned with that. If you want to try neogenic out, why not just buy it yourself and try it out rather than waiting on other peoples results.

i will post a picture of the neogenic box along with my user id to actually show i bought and use it.

gutted
10-07-2012, 10:37 AM
there you go.

GuyFromUK
10-07-2012, 11:02 AM
The fact that you so quickly rush to defend yourself (when there are many posters on this forum I could have been referring to) and post photos within an hour of me making my post makes me even more suspicious. I am not doubting you own a bottle of Neogenic but why defend yourself so quickly, that is just weird. And why do you go and put Neogenic down in your post when you are taking their product. TRX2 are going to war with Neogenic and this forum is the TRX2 marketing ground.

I don't believe anything I read in this forum any more. It's a shame.

gutted
10-07-2012, 11:13 AM
The fact that you so quickly rush to defend yourself (when there are many posters on this forum I could have been referring to) and post photos within an hour of me making my post makes me even more suspicious. I am not doubting you own a bottle of Neogenic but why defend yourself so quickly, that is just weird. And why do you go and put Neogenic down in your post when you are taking their product. TRX2 are going to war with Neogenic and this forum is the TRX2 marketing ground.

I don't believe anything I read in this forum any more. It's a shame.

Well the post is clearley aimed at me...Im the one who started the trx2 and msm and vit c thread.
If you read the thread you would see in no way do i tell people to buy trx2, and advise the trx2 ingredients along with msm/vitc is enough do you think trx2 would advise people to do this?

Im a REAL user not no BS'er.

Join the club, I learnt to NOT believe what i read on forums eons ago, and make my own mind up rather than follow forum consensus.

Jcm800
10-07-2012, 11:25 AM
If anyone should be under suspicion on the trx thread I'd say it's ulanude lol

GuyFromUK
10-07-2012, 11:31 AM
Of course TRX2 are happy for people to buy Vitamin C if it means they buy their product.

My opinion is TRX2 is a scam, they are completely hijacking this forum and enough is enough.

In the last year or two I have become a huge fan of the Bald Truth radio show and I have viewed these forums regularly. One thing which I like about the Bald Truth Show is that Spencer says that his business interests are built up around educating the consumer with impartial information on hairloss products and filtering out all the "bullshit" as he calls it. I really respect this from Spencer however I think enough is enough with TRX2 on this forum. The forum has now become a marketing playground for TRX2 and surely the staff at the Bald Truth must realise this.

I think its time for the staff at the BaldTruth to show that they are serious about filtering out all the "bullshit" by deleting once and for all the discussions on TRX2. The BaldTruth's philosophy is to get rid of all the bullshit and conartists from the hair loss industry which is a great philosophy and its why the show is so successful, however this forum is doing the exact opposite and is creating a marketing outlet for scammers. This forum is possibly making TRX2 huge amounts of money from new customers who hear about it for the first time on this forum (customers who don't even post on the forum who we don't know about).

I appreciate the Bald Truth might allow these threads on TRX2 because it brings large amounts of traffic to their website, however these TRX2 discussions are destroying the forum and make ordinary hairloss sufferers get fed up of the forum and not want to come back.

There is no longer any public interest in having further discussions on TRX2 we have all read about it already, we know how to buy it if we ever want to, there is no need for these discussions to go on and on and on. It completely dominates and ruins this forum and it puts genuine posters off posting on the site. Please can the Moderator delete these discussions on TRX2 or I for one won't be coming back to this site.

GuyFromUK
10-07-2012, 11:35 AM
I also strongly doubt you JCM800.

Your posts don't read like an impartial person. You created your account in January 2011 just like when Gutted did and at the same time TRX2 was launched. You are based in the UK (just like TRX2 is). The vast majority of posts you make are about TRX2, you come across very defensive by accusing others. The list goes on an on!

If you were up against a jury then there is no way they would believe you.

Jcm800
10-07-2012, 11:52 AM
I don't really give a flying fck what you think of me mate.

I'm just trying to hang onto my hair naturally.

Can't afford a HT and propecia frightens me.

I do see where you're coming from however, read my posts all the way back Columbo, you'd see I'm hardly pro biolabs.

gutted
10-07-2012, 11:53 AM
its you whos making this thread into a trx2 thread.
Trx2 died down a long time ago.

your just coming across bitter, i think many people on here know what the deal is with these "new products" and these "natrual produts" and the majority are waiting for the "real" next gen treatments to hit market without paying any attention to trx2, your actually bringing more attention to trx2.

To top it all off you have 4 posts!!! how do we know your not from loreal!!! or merck!

you dont work in risk assessment by any chance do you?

yeahyeahyeah
10-07-2012, 11:58 AM
Well the post is clearley aimed at me...Im the one who started the trx2 and msm and vit c thread.
If you read the thread you would see in no way do i tell people to buy trx2, and advise the trx2 ingredients along with msm/vitc is enough do you think trx2 would advise people to do this?

Im a REAL user not no BS'er.

Join the club, I learnt to NOT believe what i read on forums eons ago, and make my own mind up rather than follow forum consensus.

I think gutted is a sincere real poster.

The fact that he responds so quickly, goes to show he is an actual forum user.

I only wish that he would post pics up of his hair, that is why I am on the fence.

GuyFromUK
10-07-2012, 12:08 PM
Yep, you have got it one, I work for Merck.

We discovered over the weekend that if propecia is mixed with vitamin C that 0% of men will get side effects and that 100% of men will regrow a full head of hair (with a mullet) within a month.

This will be the last post I make on this forum so you don't need to bother replying.

And for the record I am not in any way bitter. I jut don't like seeing innocent young guys being ripped off on a stupid unproved product which they have to swallow and have no idea what it is doing to their body.

You guys are so much about the money that you are prepared to exploit other human beings vulnerabilities and play russian roulette with their health just to make yourselves some quick cash.

GuyFromUK
10-07-2012, 12:12 PM
yeahyeahyeah I believe you are also part of this TRX2 scam

The fact that all "3" of you are posting defensive desperate replies so quickly looks suspicious.

I don't know why I get so annoyed by all of this but for some reason I do. I just find it so evil and immoral that you try and con people out of their money in this way.

yeahyeahyeah
10-07-2012, 12:15 PM
yeahyeahyeah I believe you are also part of this TRX2 scam

The fact that all "3" of you are posting defensive desperate replies so quickly looks suspicious.

I don't know why I get so annoyed by all of this but for some reason I do. I just find it so evil and immoral that you try and con people out of their money in this way.

LOL

I have never taken it.

gutted
10-07-2012, 12:17 PM
yeahyeahyeah I believe you are also part of this TRX2 scam

The fact that all "3" of you are posting defensive desperate replies so quickly looks suspicious.

I don't know why I get so annoyed by all of this but for some reason I do. I just find it so evil and immoral that you try and con people out of their money in this way.

loool

dude chillout...stress is bad for hair!

Jcm800
10-07-2012, 03:15 PM
Yeah man buy some trx-make me richer - rolls eyes -

thechamp
10-07-2012, 03:31 PM
Is this vitamin d propecia thing real

gutted
10-07-2012, 03:42 PM
Is this vitamin d propecia thing real

looool!!!

10 char

thechamp
10-07-2012, 03:50 PM
I just read it again lol

ammin
10-07-2012, 04:24 PM
@Gutted

Dont **** with me dude. I work a very stresful job on wall street and I have to be on my A game everyday. I wake up everyday and the state of my hair determines my productivity. Now I am hoping your combo will halt hair loss completely. I am not seeking any regrowth. If your advice turns out to be in-effective I would lose my mind. I humbly request to come out of the closet in case you are representing TRX2. There are sanities at stake here.

I believe you are just another hair loss sufferer since when I asked you for hair loss cessation products you suggested MSM and Vit C alone. But now the seeds of doubt have been planted and I dont know what it will take to unroot them.

Jcm800
10-07-2012, 04:28 PM
Ffs gutted is just trying to solve the problem we all suffer from, I'm following his ideas, I'm just a poor fkn bloke hanging on to his fading looks, give it a go screw the accusers, weigh it up yourself

ammin
10-07-2012, 04:34 PM
Let me say this to anyone who is representing TRX2: There are a lot of emotionally fragile people on this forum. All the money in the world from selling bottles of TRX2 wouldn't be worth a ruined life.

Please be sincere in your convictions Gutted.

gutted
10-07-2012, 04:37 PM
@Gutted

Dont **** with me dude. I work a very stresful job on wall street and I have to be on my A game everyday. I wake up everyday and the state of my hair determines my productivity. Now I am hoping your combo will halt hair loss completely. I am not seeking any regrowth. If your advice turns out to be in-effective I would lose my mind. I humbly request to come out of the closet in case you are representing TRX2. There are sanities at stake here.

I believe you are just another hair loss sufferer since when I asked you for hair loss cessation products you suggested MSM and Vit C alone. But now the seeds of doubt have been planted and I dont know what it will take to unroot them.

lol dude, the guy has no more than 4 posts and is clearley some shill for some company or an infrequent visitor to the forums whos hairloss has made him bitter & frustrated.

also, if you read the thread correctly you will see what i state is -> msm/vitc alone will probably stop your loss, and trx2 will give you regrowth, if you want it.

clandestine
10-07-2012, 04:37 PM
stfu about trx2, this is the neoshitter thread

thechamp
10-07-2012, 04:58 PM
Why don't we get a wig like mr Ben Aflek he is bald and a famous actor!!

Erick
10-07-2012, 08:32 PM
there you go.

Haha, looks like one of those RIP pictures man. Anyways, looks like you're getting attacked gutted.

I will also be posting my pictures pretty soon, I will have to pick up my package tomorrow and maybe get a haircut to really see the difference.

Kiwi
10-08-2012, 04:32 AM
lol dude, the guy has no more than 4 posts and is clearley some shill for some company or an infrequent visitor to the forums whos hairloss has made him bitter & frustrated.

also, if you read the thread correctly you will see what i state is -> msm/vitc alone will probably stop your loss, and trx2 will give you regrowth, if you want it.

Normal Vit C. Okay. Check.
Where can you get MSM in new Zealand mate?

Is TRX2 a shampoo?
Do you honestly reckon it might thicken up some of the "almost" gone hairs :-/

gutted
10-08-2012, 06:51 AM
Haha, looks like one of those RIP pictures man. Anyways, looks like you're getting attacked gutted.

I will also be posting my pictures pretty soon, I will have to pick up my package tomorrow and maybe get a haircut to really see the difference.

lol

10 char

gutted
10-08-2012, 06:53 AM
Normal Vit C. Okay. Check.
Where can you get MSM in new Zealand mate?

Is TRX2 a shampoo?
Do you honestly reckon it might thicken up some of the "almost" gone hairs :-/


do a google search ->

http://www.tasmanhealth.co.nz/doctors-best-msm-1500mg/


trx2's a supplement. I cant say for sure. Its best taking this discussion to the other thread.

Ted
10-08-2012, 08:07 AM
Gutted how do you know its not the trx2 only that has saved your hair?

new bubble
10-08-2012, 08:19 AM
[QUOTE=GuyFromUK;84682]Yep, you have got it one, I work for Merck.

We discovered over the weekend that if propecia is mixed with vitamin C that 0% of men will get side effects and that 100% of men will regrow a full head of hair (with a mullet) within a month.

This will be the last post I make on this forum so you don't need to bother replying.


Glad its your last post then you can piss off, Gutted is genuine in his posts and his combo worked for me only MSM and VIT C, i haven't tried trx2

gutted
10-08-2012, 09:09 AM
Gutted how do you know its not the trx2 only that has saved your hair?

read the thread that i started. Its in tehre why i think its NOT only the trx2 but the msm and Vitc.

At the time that i started trx2 i was also on msm/vitc for other reasons, on AND off. When i would get off it, i noticed that i would itch and lose hair in the mpb regions than had i stayed on.
This to me implied that it wasnt ONLY the trx2, but the msm too. Although i clearley did notice trx2 growing hairs and adding volume, to me it felt like it didnt stop the mpb process. Hence why i attribute the stoppage to msm/vitc and the regrowth to trx2.

thechamp
10-09-2012, 03:48 AM
Dam I wish vitamin c and propecia together was real

doke
10-09-2012, 04:22 AM
im not sure about shills i was acused of being one for a product at hairlossfight until jacob told them who i was and the many hair loss forums i have been on as i had to change my site name at hlf.
But anyway trx2 never did anything for me nor has har voske at this time although i have only been on it just over the month.
I have restarted this week minoxidil+progestorone topical 5%.

yeahyeahyeah
10-09-2012, 10:54 AM
im not sure about shills i was acused of being one for a product at hairlossfight until jacob told them who i was and the many hair loss forums i have been on as i had to change my site name at hlf.
But anyway trx2 never did anything for me nor has har voske at this time although i have only been on it just over the month.
I have restarted this week minoxidil+progestorone topical 5%.

No offense to gutted, but I think this goes to show how ****ed up MPB is, when we are resorting to unproven treatments.

thechamp
10-09-2012, 02:17 PM
So I wonder why some dude would randomly say that shit hahahah imagine if a vitamin took all the sides away from propecia:)

thechamp
10-10-2012, 04:51 PM
http://stemcellbaldnesscures.com/neogenic/vichy-laboratories-how-neogenic-hair-loss-product-stimulates-stem-cell-functioning-and-new-hair-growth/

thechamp
10-10-2012, 05:07 PM
Loreal is the real deal baby, http://stemcellbaldnesscures.com/neogenic/vichy-laboratories-how-neogenic-hair-loss-product-stimulates-stem-cell-functioning-and-new-hair-growth/ keep going gutted:)

Dazza
10-11-2012, 02:33 AM
Loreal is the real deal baby, http://stemcellbaldnesscures.com/neogenic/vichy-laboratories-how-neogenic-hair-loss-product-stimulates-stem-cell-functioning-and-new-hair-growth/ keep going gutted:)

Did you even read the link you posted? Or did you just get excited that there was a video on the page and thought this is the real deal.. If you did then you would realise that all this is doing is stimulating the hair out of the normal resting phase..

Nothing to do with the damaged hair unable to grow.

You are promoting crap champ. Please read before spewing crap like "this is the real deal" when it's not. Far from it...

Kiwi
10-11-2012, 03:10 AM
Did you even read the link you posted? Or did you just get excited that there was a video on the page and thought this is the real deal.. If you did then you would realise that all this is doing is stimulating the hair out of the normal resting phase..

Nothing to do with the damaged hair unable to grow.

You are promoting crap champ. Please read before spewing crap like "this is the real deal" when it's not. Far from it...

It's pretty good though right. I'd use it maintain my hair and wake up anything that remains :P

Dazza
10-11-2012, 03:19 AM
It's pretty good though right. I'd use it maintain my hair and wake up anything that remains :P

But the healthy hair is due to wake up anyways, your basically forcing it to wake up. What happens when the hair you force to wake up and the hair due to go into resting phase all rest at the same time. Your hair would look worse.. But that's ok you can just buy more of this crap to the force more hair out of there normal sleeping phase again making your hair cycle messed up... Seems good for there wallets not yours.

It's not pretty good. Also is wont maintain your hair. The underlining problem still exists. Your hair is still being damaged by DHT/pgd2. This is doing nothing for your MPB at all.. They even say this in the reports.

krewel
10-14-2012, 12:39 PM
100$ for a month supply.
Nice.
Grade A snake oil.

First time I agree with you.

gmonasco
10-14-2012, 06:02 PM
But the healthy hair is due to wake up anyways, your basically forcing it to wake up. What happens when the hair you force to wake up and the hair due to go into resting phase all rest at the same time. Your hair would look worse.

I think the active/resting cycle time of individual hairs is quite variable; otherwise, all our hairs would periodically be falling out at the same time throughout our lifetimes.

The greater danger might be if our follicles are genetically programmed to miniaturize and "die" after a certain number of cycles. If that were the case, then forcing them out of the telogen phase prematurely might be shortening their lifespans.

Kiwi
10-14-2012, 11:00 PM
I think the active/resting cycle time of individual hairs is quite variable; otherwise, all our hairs would periodically be falling out at the same time throughout our lifetimes.

The greater danger might be if our follicles are genetically programmed to miniaturize and "die" after a certain number of cycles. If that were the case, then forcing them out of the telogen phase prematurely might be shortening their lifespans.

Thanks. I assumed that was what Dazza was trying to say.

Dazza - how the **** do you know?

Time will tell... But only with good before and after shots :P

Dazza
10-15-2012, 10:55 AM
Dazza - how the **** do you know?

How do I know what?

That hair cycles? That's kinda common knowledge. With what I put ofc it was speculation, with what I read from the post and studies linked here all this stuff is doing is awakening healthy resting hair. All I was saying is what if this forces hair to wake prematurely what happens to that cycle and the hair in the normal cycle? We shed hair daily.

Or was it that the balding problem still persists? The study's and reports also posted in this thread confirm this does nothing for the ongoing problem. That's DHT/PGD2, this product does nothing concerning these issues so using this your hair is still going to fall out. This will not stop hairloss. This will only wake up hair from the sleeping phase.

Dazza
10-15-2012, 11:00 AM
The greater danger might be if our follicles are genetically programmed to miniaturize and "die" after a certain number of cycles. If that were the case, then forcing them out of the telogen phase prematurely might be shortening their lifespans.

I don't think that's the case, the reason we loose our hair is the environment within the scalp. I have not read anywhere that follicles have a genetically programmed lifespan, the reason they don't grow is the damage caused by these issues, DHT/PGD2.

share2die
10-15-2012, 11:45 AM
Where can i buy and give try..
i am not able to find ...i searched all over the net

gmonasco
10-15-2012, 01:15 PM
I have not read anywhere that follicles have a genetically programmed lifespan, the reason they don't grow is the damage caused by these issues, DHT/PGD2.

Those aren't necessarily mutually exclusive explanations. It could be the case that DHT/PGD2 hastens hair loss in some people, but that even without that effect follicles have finite lifespans and will eventually stop producing hairs regardless. After all, even men who don't experience MPB still lose hair as they grow older.

Dazza
10-15-2012, 01:44 PM
After all, even men who don't experience MPB still lose hair as they grow older.

But that's MPB making them loose hair, not there age or the follicles lifetime. I have not heard or even read anywhere follicles have a lifespan. There are hundreds of older chaps with full heads of hair, my grandad being one of those.

thechamp
10-15-2012, 03:17 PM
Will this be the big 4 now

The Alchemist
10-15-2012, 03:22 PM
But that's MPB making them loose hair, not there age or the follicles lifetime. I have not heard or even read anywhere follicles have a lifespan. There are hundreds of older chaps with full heads of hair, my grandad being one of those.

The hairs having limited life cycles is a bogus theory. If it were true then eunuchs would go bald and as we all know, they don't. And as you've pointed out, there are plenty of old men with full heads of hair. Also, the horshoe rim of hair on bald guys usually doesn't fall out. So, not sure how that idea of limited cycles got started but, it's not anything more than internet chatter.

Dazza
10-15-2012, 05:09 PM
Will this be the big 4 now

Do you even read what people post, one of the most useless posters.

No it's not..

Dazza
10-15-2012, 05:15 PM
The hairs having limited life cycles is a bogus theory. If it were true then eunuchs would go bald and as we all know, they don't. And as you've pointed out, there are plenty of old men with full heads of hair. Also, the horshoe rim of hair on bald guys usually doesn't fall out. So, not sure how that idea of limited cycles got started but, it's not anything more than internet chatter.

Totally agree. Well put too.

thechamp
10-15-2012, 07:56 PM
I agree but hey I think we are wasting our time on this forum for at least 3 years

gmonasco
10-15-2012, 09:09 PM
The hairs having limited life cycles is a bogus theory. If it were true then eunuchs would go bald and as we all know, they don't.

No, because even men who are not eunuchs don't necessarily go bald. MPB is not the only form of hair loss.


And as you've pointed out, there are plenty of old men with full heads of hair.

No, I didn't say that. Some men reach advanced age without experiencing MPB or cosmetically significant hair loss, but they nonetheless have less hair than they did earlier in life.


Also, the horshoe rim of hair on bald guys usually doesn't fall out.

Then clearly DHT isn't the culprit, because if it were, then those hairs would fall out too, right?

Obviously there's something different about the follicles in that area of the scalp. It might be that they're typically genetically programmed for a longer life cycle than follicles in other parts of the scalp.

The Alchemist
10-15-2012, 09:38 PM
No, because even men who are not eunuchs don't necessarily go bald. MPB is not the only form of hair loss.



No, I didn't say that. Some men reach advanced age without experiencing MPB or cosmetically significant hair loss, but they nonetheless have less hair than they did earlier in life.



Then clearly DHT isn't the culprit, because if it were, then those hairs would fall out too, right?

Obviously there's something different about the follicles in that area of the scalp. It might be that they're typically genetically programmed for a longer life cycle than follicles in other parts of the scalp.

This has been studied to death. The hairs, due to genetic polymorphism, are either susceptible, or not, to DHT induced damage. That is why the hairs on the horshoe remain -they have been proven to have different genetic expression then hairs from balding regions. That is why some men go bald and some don't. It also explains why some men dont lose hair until advanced ages and eunuchs don't go bald. There are libraries of evidence supporting and fully explaining the phenomenon.

If you have scientific literature supporting the "limited life cycle" hypothesis, please provide it. Otherwise, it's nothing more than internet chatter.

Erick
10-15-2012, 10:19 PM
I want to let everyone know that I have received my package and applied it to my scalp for the first time today. Since I don't think it will make much sense to post pictures until I get a haircut I will only upload the product and then my hair for comparison.

What I am using:
Propecia: have been on it for about 2 years now.
Best MSM 1500 OptiMSM(good kind)

Unrelated but just for the sake for information:
Iodoral - High Potency Iodine/Potassium Iodide
Noopept - about 50mg a day or more.

Applying:
Nizoral - once a week
Sulfate free Shampoo daily
Neogenic - going to apply it daily

http://s15.postimage.org/5e6vg4ujb/IMG_0622.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/5e6vg4ujb/)

http://s15.postimage.org/qcd1e7udz/IMG_0623.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/qcd1e7udz/)

http://s15.postimage.org/41p6e8x3r/IMG_0624.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/41p6e8x3r/)

http://s15.postimage.org/y7nkt140n/IMG_0625.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/y7nkt140n/)

http://s15.postimage.org/f3u9cor6f/IMG_0626.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/f3u9cor6f/)

http://s15.postimage.org/uqliq24yf/IMG_0627.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/uqliq24yf/)

Kiwi
10-16-2012, 02:13 AM
I want to let everyone know that I have received my package and applied it to my scalp for the first time today. Since I don't think it will make much sense to post pictures until I get a haircut I will only upload the product and then my hair for comparison.

What I am using:
Propecia: have been on it for about 2 years now.
Best MSM 1500 OptiMSM(good kind)

Unrelated but just for the sake for information:
Iodoral - High Potency Iodine/Potassium Iodide
Noopept - about 50mg a day or more.

Applying:
Nizoral - once a week
Sulfate free Shampoo daily
Neogenic - going to apply it daily

http://s15.postimage.org/5e6vg4ujb/IMG_0622.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/5e6vg4ujb/)

http://s15.postimage.org/qcd1e7udz/IMG_0623.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/qcd1e7udz/)

http://s15.postimage.org/41p6e8x3r/IMG_0624.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/41p6e8x3r/)

http://s15.postimage.org/y7nkt140n/IMG_0625.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/y7nkt140n/)

http://s15.postimage.org/f3u9cor6f/IMG_0626.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/f3u9cor6f/)

http://s15.postimage.org/uqliq24yf/IMG_0627.jpg (http://postimage.org/image/uqliq24yf/)

Dude you totally need to post before and after shots.

Erick
10-16-2012, 11:23 AM
Dude you totally need to post before and after shots.

Yes I will, I do also have to say that the little tube used to apply the liquid is complete garbage. The first time I tried it, I wasted one little bottle because it dropped on the floor. So now I guess i'm going to have to use one of those little water sprayers used at the barber shops.

dex89
10-16-2012, 12:16 PM
Yes I will, I do also have to say that the little tube used to apply the liquid is complete garbage. The first time I tried it, I wasted one little bottle because it dropped on the floor. So now I guess i'm going to have to use one of those little water sprayers used at the barber shops.

what's your norwood mate?

UK_
10-18-2012, 04:52 AM
If someone can point me to a thread about the ISHRS meeting then please do so.

Has anyone here got any information on how we can view the presentations at the ISHRS Annual Scientific Meeting which started yesterday?

Histogen, Aderans, PGD2 will all be discussed there.

Any help would be appreciated.:D

Erick
10-19-2012, 12:38 AM
what's your norwood mate?

I don't know exactly, it's not one of those traditional receding hair lines. I think it's what you call defuse thinning, I would probably have to say a 1 or 2 maybe. I grew a lot of hair back with finasteride.

StayThick
10-24-2012, 01:23 PM
I also purchased the Vichy Neogenic and will reporting my results through 3 months on this forum. Will it work? I say no, but at this point I am willing to try anything that might produce some sort of thickening. I'll gladly inform you all of my progress throughout the 3 month duration.

For those that call it snake oil, your probably right...but if your bald or balding, don't you think $124 is worth spending to "possibly" see some growth. I mean do any of you work? That's 2 1/2 months of Rogaine foam. I mean the complaining I see on here is amusing to me. YOU ARE BALD, work and try products that might have an effect..especially if you are already spending money on other products designed for your hairloss.

That being said, I purchase mine from EBAY and it is legit and looks like all the others I seen so far. The applicator by far is the worst of it's kind I have seen or used, especially when being compared to the backed up sprayer of the old Spectral DNC. I literally leaked less than half the bottle trying to use it. I guess with Loreal you shouldn't be surprised.

The scent isn't horrible, but it is noticable and last's a while. This product isn't the best if you use it in the AM before work, as it leaves your hair slightly greasy looking. I am one bottle in, so again, I'll let you all know my progress.

I am only taking Rogaine Foam 2x a day and a sulfate-free Regenepure DR and NT as a shampoo. I also just added EMU oil this week as a topical to try in the PM. As far as FIN goes, I will NEVER touch that again...I'll save that experience for another post. Good day everyone.

Stanth
10-27-2012, 01:29 PM
Thanks StayThick for saying about reporting results... I too am sceptical to say the least, but before writing something off, it'd be good to see any actual results, good or bad. Be interested to see how it goes!

Buy The Ticket
11-04-2012, 03:52 PM
Any updates from anyone?
Thanks.

UK_
11-06-2012, 03:06 PM
I got an update:

This product blows ass.

thechamp
11-06-2012, 03:17 PM
Glad I didn't buy it join Cetirizine thread hay fever tablets topical its all happening there

The Alchemist
11-06-2012, 06:00 PM
I got an update:

This product blows ass.


Hahaha! So True!

StayThick
11-07-2012, 04:57 PM
Update: It has been 2 full weeks as of now and have not noticed any improvement to date. At 2 weeks in its still way to early to judge a product on its effectiveness. The product claims it takes 3 months to notice results...so I ordered 3 months worth to test the product.

For me, the price isn't going to send me to the streets and its worth a shot if the product will produce results Loreal claims it will. At the end of the day, I don't expect much from Neogenic, but if it helps everybody save money..I'll gladly report my results moving forward.

StayThick
11-07-2012, 05:01 PM
Hahaha! So True!

Have you personally tried Neogenic? Did you use it for 3 months? Exactly, you haven't because it hasn't been out that long. Don't judge a product if you have never tried it...with that logic you should just enjoy being bald and avoid these forums.

I, however, will see if Neogenic will work for me with a 3-month trial. If it blows it blows..I have no problem saying so, especially if it helps everybody save cash...but don't talk out of your rear if you never gave it a shot.

Ted
11-07-2012, 06:11 PM
Update: It has been 2 full weeks as of now and have not noticed any improvement to date. At 2 weeks in its still way to early to judge a product on its effectiveness. The product claims it takes 3 months to notice results...so I ordered 3 months worth to test the product.

For me, the price isn't going to send me to the streets and its worth a shot if the product will produce results Loreal claims it will. At the end of the day, I don't expect much from Neogenic, but if it helps everybody save money..I'll gladly report my results moving forward.

Thanks for testing this!
Are you on anything else?

StayThick
11-08-2012, 04:42 PM
Thanks for testing this!
Are you on anything else?

Yes...Rogaine Foam, Emu Oil, and Regenepure DR & NT as a shampoo obviously.

Anything Neogenic produces from a positive stand-point I will know it was directly because of that product. The foam and Emu oil hasn't really produced anything of substance for me...basically has maintained what I have.

I'm hoping for additionally thickening on the top of my head, crown, and if the stars align..my hairline. We shall see. I am not slick bald yet, so I'm hoping I can see some positive cosmetic effect.

elusive52
11-09-2012, 01:30 AM
I got an update:

This product blows ass.

just like your mouth!!!! lol

Kirby_
11-09-2012, 07:22 AM
Haven't seen any user results photos (before/after) yet, and many of the people I've spoken to online who started it gave up on it fairly early.

StayThick
11-10-2012, 10:16 AM
Haven't seen any user results photos (before/after) yet, and many of the people I've spoken to online who started it gave up on it fairly early.

The product just came out? I haven't been on it a full 3 weeks yet. Me? I bought 3 boxes for a 3-month trial. Loreal claims its results came in that duration. I do know one thing, it's not harming my hair at this point. Drys fast, but has a distinct smell. Not bad, just distinct.

I'll report my results throughout as I mentioned. I don't trust people who claim they bought it then stop after 2 weeks because their hairline didn't grow in. Ridiculous logic.

Buy The Ticket
11-11-2012, 08:08 AM
The product just came out? I haven't been on it a full 3 weeks yet. Me? I bought 3 boxes for a 3-month trial. Loreal claims its results came in that duration. I do know one thing, it's not harming my hair at this point. Drys fast, but has a distinct smell. Not bad, just distinct.

I'll report my results throughout as I mentioned. I don't trust people who claim they bought it then stop after 2 weeks because their hairline didn't grow in. Ridiculous logic.

Exactly, unless they have tried it for a full 3 months then it is impossible for someone to give an informed opinion.

Glad you are trying this out - keep us updated.

Mark86
11-11-2012, 10:48 AM
Hi all,

I also am trying Neogenics. Started on October 6. Am 44, very thin on top and have been on Min/Prop for more years than i care to count!!! Those years have given me pretty much slowed the loss down to a crawl i reckon, but no regrowth.

My view is that Neogenics is making a noticeable difference (to me anyway). Its not earthshattering and its not all growing back, but i am noticing thickening/regrowth (not sure which) of areas mainly close to the 'horseshoe area'.

No real impact at the front, noticeable more hair in the crown. I will carry on to the 3 months point and see from there. I dont expect miracles but i'm willing to say it is doing something!

Its slightly niggling me why L'oreal only quoted results after 3 months. Whilst this is eye catching, i've found no information on results after 6 months or a year. You would think they would want to shout about it wouldn't you?
Could it be that it peaks and then its effectiveness begins to tail off? hope not

Mark86

the_dude78
11-26-2012, 01:23 PM
Anyone else with updates on this? Someone with more than one post?

UK_
11-26-2012, 09:08 PM
Anyone else with updates on this? Someone with more than one post?

Please see my last post (#978) for a detailed analysis into the efficacy of Neogenic.

Artista
11-26-2012, 09:13 PM
Thanks go out to all of you who had tried it out and reported it here..appreciated.

doke
11-27-2012, 02:21 AM
are you guys using the full ona a day vials? as you need to do as per instructions,then we may get a fair view of the product as said its not going to do much in the first few weeks after 3 monts or more it will be good to see.

Kirby_
11-27-2012, 09:49 AM
The guys I knew who trying Neogenic have already given up. It's another Aminexil. :(

Loreal UK never replied to my letters, BTW.

NeedHairASAP
11-27-2012, 11:07 AM
sounds unfortunately like it snot working

the_dude78
11-27-2012, 01:15 PM
The guys I knew who trying Neogenic have already given up. It's another Aminexil. :(

Loreal UK never replied to my letters, BTW.

Well, I don't get why people would spend money on it only to give up after 1 or two months, when it clearly says it takes 3 months to see results. This way it's a waste of money for sure.

StayThick
11-27-2012, 04:09 PM
Well, I don't get why people would spend money on it only to give up after 1 or two months, when it clearly says it takes 3 months to see results. This way it's a waste of money for sure.

I agree 100% the_dude. I personally just started my 2nd month. So far I have noticed minor thickening of the crown/mid portion of my scalp. Unfortunately, the purpose of buying this was to see some activity in my slowly receding hairline..no results in that area as of now.

I use 1-6ml bottle per day as instructed on the box and it is more than enough to cover my entire head. In fact, for those that are tight on funds, I'm positive you could get over 2 months worth of treatment with 1 month worth of product. That's how much liquid comes in these capsules.

I'm following the instructions for now and using each bottle per day to ensure I can say this product worked or not based on their findings and studies. Again, so far I see real thickening in the crown and mid section of my scalp and I know this because I just got a haircut today and could see the difference. I'm still hoping for some regrowth in my corners of my hairline, but I won't hold my breath. For those that claim they know others that have quit...I say they are all tools. Who buys a treatment expecting a NW1 result or insane visible results in just 1 month? It takes time with any hairloss treatment before you can vouch if this is snake oil. The product just came out and it claims to use for 3 months to see positive regrowth.

I'll let everyone know how I shape up after my second month.

Buy The Ticket
11-27-2012, 04:16 PM
Thanks for the updates StayThick.

Please, please keep it up for at least 4-5 months to get a true idea of this product.

Appreciate posters like yourself, you could save a lot of people money, and ensure word gets out that some products are a scam.

the_dude78
11-27-2012, 04:33 PM
I agree 100% the_dude. I personally just started my 2nd month. So far I have noticed minor thickening of the crown/mid portion of my scalp. Unfortunately, the purpose of buying this was to see some activity in my slowly receding hairline..no results in that area as of now.

I use 1-6ml bottle per day as instructed on the box and it is more than enough to cover my entire head. In fact, for those that are tight on funds, I'm positive you could get over 2 months worth of treatment with 1 month worth of product. That's how much liquid comes in these capsules.

I'm following the instructions for now and using each bottle per day to ensure I can say this product worked or not based on their findings and studies. Again, so far I see real thickening in the crown and mid section of my scalp and I know this because I just got a haircut today and could see the difference. I'm still hoping for some regrowth in my corners of my hairline, but I won't hold my breath. For those that claim they know others that have quit...I say they are all tools. Who buys a treatment expecting a NW1 result or insane visible results in just 1 month? It takes time with any hairloss treatment before you can vouch if this is snake oil. The product just came out and it claims to use for 3 months to see positive regrowth.

I'll let everyone know how I shape up after my second month.

Yes, this is how it's done folks! I really appreciate what you're doing, StayThick. I may give it a go myself in a few months time, depending on the verdict of the Internet-jury of course.

StayThick
11-27-2012, 05:50 PM
Yes, this is how it's done folks! I really appreciate what you're doing, StayThick. I may give it a go myself in a few months time, depending on the verdict of the Internet-jury of course.

No problem guys'. If the product is trash, I'll be the first person to inform everyone it isn't worth the steep price..honestly I would just shrug my shoulders if I don't see pretty substantial improvement. At least I can sleep at night knowing I'm doing everything in my financial means to fight this balding curse.

Keep in my mind guys I do have 3 months worth of Neogenic. So rest assured I will be using 3 months worth based on their claims. If I see continued positive regrowth, I'll buy another month worth but use it through 2 to save cash, as I mentioned above.

Stay positive fellas'

Dan26
11-27-2012, 10:55 PM
Neogenic is a joke! The active ingredient is OK but there are much better and more effective solutions to spend money on than this....

I hope you see good results but this is a scam to milk people in the long term, I promise you could be using ur money on better things....

Minoxidle Sulpahte with adenosine you would probably see great results and they are both cheap AND water soluble so easy to use..if u are interested i will let u know when the next group buy for them is.

doke
11-28-2012, 03:32 AM
The guys I knew who trying Neogenic have already given up. It's another Aminexil. :(

Loreal UK never replied to my letters, BTW.

I think L oreal uk is a waste of time as they did promote aminexil but its france and l oreal - vichy that is behind neogenic.