CIT vs. HST?

[NeedHairASAP]

what are the differences? on another forum, h**rsite.com, there is a CIT video advertisement on the front page...



Is CIT a rip-off of HST? I hope so. I've been waiting for Gho to expand into the US or this to happen.


I heard Gho's "growth medium" is actually just acell

[RichardDawkins]

Ok i will keep my temper down for the sake of it and beause i kinda like you.

I take a deep breath and politely ask you

"Please take a deep breath, then change the toppics name and try to read stuff about HST and CIt" thank you :-)

[Reece]

I honestly don't keep tabs on who promotes what but, I think there is someone on these forums that is adamant about new ht doctors learning GHO'S miracle procedure. Seems feasible that Cole may have been using it all along but, was being honest about donor regeneration. I mean Cole is fue+acell and Gho is essentially fue with a special culturing formula (possibly acell).

Could explain why Noone is paying to take lessons from Gho if his technique already exists and results using the technique haven't been proven consistently. To be honest, although Cole is skeptical on the effect of acell, he seems a little less smoke and mirrors about his results than Gho.

[NeedHairASAP]

I honestly don't keep tabs on who promotes what but, I think there is someone on these forums that is adamant about new ht doctors learning GHO'S miracle procedure. Seems feasible that Cole may have been using it all along but, was being honest about donor regeneration. I mean Cole is fue+acell and Gho is essentially fue with a special culturing formula (possibly acell).

Could explain why Noone is paying to take lessons from Gho if his technique already exists and results using the technique haven't been proven consistently. To be honest, although Cole is skeptical on the effect of acell, he seems a little less smoke and mirrors about his results than Gho.

I'd have to disagree with everything you said


we have no idea what cole is doing. We know exactly what Gho is doing (aside from what the medium is). We do know when gho uses the medium, we dont know what cole does with acell

also, cole claims he uses .08 needles and gho uses .05

Cole's website mentions the "white dots" from FUE can be an issue, while Gho guarantees no "white dots"

there are still more questions to be answered by cole... for gho, we are just waiting for results

[NeedHairASAP]

ok so CIT is NOT EVEN CLOSE HST


1. from coles website--> speaking about how CIT has a... "Low transection rate of under 3 percent"-- where as gho tries to transect every graft... 80% transected and 20% are damaged or extracted as regular FUE.

2. Cole uses a .08 extractor and Gho uses a .05 extractor...

3. Cole admits on his site he "may" leave white dot scarring and Gho claims on his site there is none (which is possible if cole gets very little with .08 and gho uses a .05)



So then, What is Cole doing?
Is he plugging the CIT(aka regular FUE) donor holes with a-cell and seeing regrowth?

I guess I asked the wrong question, it should have been: CIT vs. FUE? whats the difference?


If he is getting 60% regrowth... and each graft is cheaper than Gho.. I would get Cole now and Gho (or another option) later----- this is because I'm from the U.S. and the traveling is a pain. Also, Cole's recovery time is close (but not yet) to the level of Gho's.



I think getting any regrowth over 50% really makes HT a viable option for people that it once was not a good option for (nw6s-nw7s)

[damielmillo]

I have a basic but big question...
why gho uses 0.4/0.5 extractor and other surgeons uses 0.8 ?
why Cole, Cooley or other surgeons don´t use small needles ?
Come on...it is common sense...

[Reece]

Thanks for all the info. So what I was able to gather is that the procedures are very similar but, Gho seems to be a bit more refined (.08 vs .05) and they are both more than likely using acell. Looks like Gho may actually have competition after all. Maybe we'll finally get to see more of his results to legitimately compare to cole's.

[NeedHairASAP]

dThanks for all the info. So what I was able to gather is that the procedures are very similar but, Gho seems to be a bit more refined (.08 vs .05) and they are both more than likely using acell. Looks like Gho may actually have competition after all. Maybe we'll finally get to see more of his results to legitimately compare to cole's.


the procedures are not similar at all.

The only similarity is the final result involves donor regrowth.

The methods to get to these conclusions are both VERY different.



Cole tries very hard NOT TO TRANSECT follicular units--then he places acell in the donor holes, hoping for regrowth of 60%. (<---------I THINK, this is my guess, unless cole is plucking, or he means PRP will grow 60% back, lol)

Gho tries very hard TO TRANSECT EVERY SINGLE FOLLICULAR UNIT he extracts.. leaving enough cells behind to grow back hair, usually 80% regrow this way--with no a-cell. He then places the graft in a "unknown medium" (which could or could not be acell)... to preserve them for implantation in the recipient area




@dmillo- the reason Gho uses small needles is because he is purposely transecting. The reason all other surgeons dont use small needs is because they don't want to transect at all.--- cole advertises that he has a 3% transection rate.

[gc83uk]

well explained

[damielmillo]

Thanks NeedHairASAP.

gc83uk, how is your evolution? I am very anxious for my Gho procedure.
How is your donor area now? are you happy with the results?

Damian

[Reece]

Thanks for clearing that up. Just watched the Gho interview and it makes more sense now.

[gc83uk]

The donor area is fine, I'd go as far as to say perfect.

It's only been the recipient area I have been worried about.

I retained about 10% of the original transplanted hair which kept growing nicely, but until yesterday I was quite concerned that I hadn't had any new growth...despite everyone telling me not to worry, its difficult not to.

It's been 12 weeks 5 days and I'm fairly sure I can see new growth. The problem with the new growth is they are so small and extremely fine, as in I can't see them unless I take a close up photo, although I fully expect them to thicken up over time. Nevertheless I'm quite excited now and looking forward to what takes shape over the next few weeks, fingers crossed.

Good luck Damian.

[damielmillo]

Thanks gc83uk.
How many graft do you have? I think you must to wait at least 1 or 2 month more to see more growth...
Are you thinking in a second procedure with Gho?

[gc83uk]

Yes I need lots more procedures, I am a really bad case due to my scarring alopecia. I only had 700 grafts done, but because my scalp on so bare its easier to see if this first test is successful or not. I did not want to pay for 2300 grafts in case it didn't work.

Assuming I get more growth in the coming weeks and months I will be wanting a bigger procedure next time around.

[damielmillo]

Ok , i see...and don´t you have any check evolution by Hasci or Dr Gho?
Did you talk again with gho after the procedure about you recipient area?
I see the Wesley Sjneider procedure with Gho and is really impressive...and he has hair growth in the recipient area so be quiet that your hair will grow!!!

[gc83uk]

Correct, I haven't seen Gho since the procedure, but I expect to see him early 2012 to check on the progress and see when I can have my 2nd procedure.

[NeedHairASAP]

Correct, I haven't seen Gho since the procedure, but I expect to see him early 2012 to check on the progress and see when I can have my 2nd procedure.

hey gc,

thanks for the update. It's a little sad to hear that you didnt get the instant regrowth that people like wesley supposedly got, however I wouldn't worry too much. I think traditional hair transplants can take 6-9 months to fully actualize-- and gho's treatment is really no different in its fundamentals. Some aspects of Gho's procedure may speed up the wait for regrowth but over all its still a transplant.

please keep us posted if you see any significant regrowth over the next month or if you get any comments from grow about the current lack of regrowth.

and thanks again for posting




@reece - no problem, I wasn't sure either, which is why I created this thread. Cole's wording (or the guy who posted Cole's apparent claims on here) was vague.

[Tinnitus]

my grafts never fell out, im in 4 th month now and the hairs seem a bit thicker, but i dont think i should be expecting anymore growth. i had 1700 grafts done. i asked for 2300 but they told me due to donor supply they didnt want to go higher.

i dont think u can have endless transplants with gho. i read if he uses the same donor to many times, the hairs will come out twisted.

i had 2 grafts that were twisted. both have returned to normal now.

i shaved my head bald, didnt see any scaring. i dont know if there was donor regeneration, after the treatment, i did see hairs come out of the red dots. i am not sure tho if this is donor regeneration or if it is because gho splits the grafts, ie takes 1 or 2 hairs from triple or quadruple hair grafts.

tinnitus

[RichardDawkins]

Thanks for your story, i think now you will be harassed and attacked by Gho Haters.

BTw thank you for telling us that the strange hairs got back to normal after a while.

It is always nice to read stories of Gho patients. What i find strange is, that Gho patients never use superlatives they remain normal when they talk about it. On the contrast shills do ........

Btw i am sorry for my recently harsh tone, but its annoying to see progress towards a solution being made and then some people come up with crazy a** anti arguments.

[clandestine]

Richard please don't be delusional, he won't be harassed by anyone. In fact, I think most people here have come to respect Gho's technique.

[NeedHairASAP]

Richard believes he is the martin luther king jr of HST

fighting against HSTism everywhere


the guy has a dream

[RichardDawkins]

My first dream is, that all trolls go to hairsite because that specific site is designed for all those trolling people.

And no i am not ML King i am just a human being, sick of naysayers who pull everything out of their asses all the time to make others feel miserable.

[Tinnitus]

i had one graft in the hair line with 1 twisted hair, it curled sort of like a spring. it was not obvious, only to me because id be looking at the mirror close up and i could feel it, felt pointy and it was a little thicker looking because the hair was actually a bit longer, but just compacted due to the "spring" structure. that one only lasted 3 weeks. i had another closer to the mid region which was gone after a bit longer than 3 months.

[gc83uk]

Hi Tininitus,

Good to hear your story, I don't suppose you have any before and after pics, unless I've missed them already?

Have you had a hair transplant before with another surgeon? If so how do you rate your experience with Gho compared with others and what made you go to Gho / how did you hear of Gho? Will you be following up for more procedures?

Sorry for the barrage of questions, but better to ask all in one go seeing as your online now!

All the best

Gaz

[Tinnitus]

Hi Tininitus,

Good to hear your story, I don't suppose you have any before and after pics, unless I've missed them already?

Have you had a hair transplant before with another surgeon? If so how do you rate your experience with Gho compared with others and what made you go to Gho / how did you hear of Gho? Will you be following up for more procedures?

Sorry for the barrage of questions, but better to ask all in one go seeing as your online now!

All the best

Gaz

hey gaz, i havent posted any before or after pics. i kept track with computer webcam, upgraded to lion osx, had a lot of issues, lost all my stuff when i went back to SL. Gho made good before pictures tho, i still havent been in contact with hair science since the treatment, but i will be sometime soon.

HST is my first hair treatment. my hair loss started bothering me around a year and a half ago, so i looked up what i could do about it on the internet, came across gho, prohair, feriduni, ( i live in belgium ). i went to Prohair for a consult and was given finasteride and told to come back in a couple years, along with that i should probably just accept going bald, that i do not have sufficient donor to get the result i want. i do not want to mess with finasteride, i dont like hair loss, but there is no way i would want to risk messing up my sex life. "bart" the man at prohair, sarcastically recommended HSI - when i asked when what my other options were.

after that consult i went home, got educated about FUE, minox, finas, and GHO. followed a lot of gho discussions at haarweb.nl - a dutch forum. decided to go for a Hasci consult, which was really nice. people were very friendly, seemed very professional, they told me they could help me out, first planned 1400-1600 grafts. after the consult i had 6 months of thinking if i still wanted to go thru with it.

i was and still am not completely convinced by the donor regeneration, but i thought it was interesting how gho patients seemed to have less redness and grafts that continued growing due to the special medium he puts them in. i am very critical of all this, but i had the money and felt it was worth a shot .. i also like keeping my hair short, i shave it bald sometimes, i do not want white dots on my head and Hasci promised no scars.

i am planning to go see them in a couple months, i am also going to book a new appointment for second treatment.



if u ve got anymore questions, let me know. (i know people want pics, i still need to think that over, because i know posting them, people will take them without my consent and spread them all over the internet...)

Tinnitus

[gc83uk]

Hi Tinnitus,

Thanks for all that. Seeing as your head is shaved you will probably have a much better idea than I will of whether the donor regeneration is successful or not, but my donor looks to be regenerating. (Certainly no white spots)

I too will be looking to have a repeat procedure next year, although I'm going to hold off until I can definitely see these 700 growing properly first of all.

I'm surprised to here Prohair suggested Hasci, albeit sarcastically, but still interesting. I do have a couple of quick questions which spring to mind, did Gho give you some minox? and did you use it every day and still using it now?

I have to admit there were days I would forget to use it, I just hope that wasn't the trigger for my shedding.

I guess I'm just wondering why I wasn't one of the luckier ones who kept all/most of their grafts.

[RichardDawkins]

Funny that they put you away while HSI did not.

Strange at hairsite they say its always the other way around

[Tinnitus]

Hi Tinnitus,

Thanks for all that. Seeing as your head is shaved you will probably have a much better idea than I will of whether the donor regeneration is successful or not, but my donor looks to be regenerating. (Certainly no white spots)

I too will be looking to have a repeat procedure next year, although I'm going to hold off until I can definitely see these 700 growing properly first of all.

I'm surprised to here Prohair suggested Hasci, albeit sarcastically, but still interesting. I do have a couple of quick questions which spring to mind, did Gho give you some minox? and did you use it every day and still using it now?

I have to admit there were days I would forget to use it, I just hope that wasn't the trigger for my shedding.

I guess I'm just wondering why I wasn't one of the luckier ones who kept all/most of their grafts.

yes, i got cortisone, OTC pain killer, supplement pills - which they compared to a fertilizer, and a minoxidil spray with their logo and name on it, it was yellower than the one that the pharmacy makes which is more clear see thru. i didnt use it everyday, i have even left a week between using it again. i finished the spray after 3.5 months, and when i used it, it was only once a day. near the end i was using it more regularly, and have now continued using it.

i dont think the minox is responsible for your shed. when did u start shedding? i went to the clinic in maastricht. which one did u go to? which region of ur head got the treatment? i got frontal part, my hair line - moving up to mid region.

I have looked to see if i could see any scars or signs of treatment, but im going to need a good camera, because i cant see anything using 2 mirrors .

[Tinnitus]

Funny that they put you away while HSI did not.

Strange at hairsite they say its always the other way around

when i went to prohair i was still uneducated about HT's. i remember just mainly looking at before and after pics. after that consult, i felt i should get properly informed on the subject. i have read that prohair denies people with bad donor and/or too high expectation. i have not read about HSI refusing people.

hairsite doesn't sound like a good source. a lot of aggression there it seems.

[gc83uk]

i dont think the minox is responsible for your shed. when did u start shedding? i went to the clinic in maastricht. which one did u go to? which region of ur head got the treatment? i got frontal part, my hair line - moving up to mid region.

I have looked to see if i could see any scars or signs of treatment, but im going to need a good camera, because i cant see anything using 2 mirrors .

I started shedding around week 5-6 roughly. Went to the London clinic and the grafts were placed in the middle of my scalp more or less. I think everyone reacts different, I don't think I'm the only person to shed grafts from Gho as they told me this is what I should expect.

What I didn't ask is did you have the HSI or HST? They used the HSI method for me. I think it was suggested this is slightly less invasive than HST which was paramount due to my scarring alopecia.

[damielmillo]

I have email and ask Gho clinic...maybe i am so stupid but i don´t understand the difference btw HSI and HST?
I know htat HSI is for scarring alopecia but what is the difference?
Is the same price?

[Tinnitus]

I started shedding around week 5-6 roughly. Went to the London clinic and the grafts were placed in the middle of my scalp more or less. I think everyone reacts different, I don't think I'm the only person to shed grafts from Gho as they told me this is what I should expect.

What I didn't ask is did you have the HSI or HST? They used the HSI method for me. I think it was suggested this is slightly less invasive than HST which was paramount due to my scarring alopecia.

they also told me to expect shedding, that's right.
HST - when i typed HSI, i meant hair science institute.

what was ur treatment like? how does it work?

[damielmillo]

HSI is hair stem injection and HST is hair stem treatment....both by Hasci.
But i don´t know the differences.
You must to wait 9 months to do another procedure?
Gho told you that you can do all the procedures as you like? i mean, you can do in some years 4 or 5 procedures of 1700 grafts each one?
thanks!!

[gc83uk]

From what I understand the only difference between HSI and HST is the way the grafts are inserted. With HST I think the holes are made first and then the grafts are placed inside these small holes, HSI, somehow they do it in one move create the hole and also place the graft at the same time, at least that is how I understood it. I should have watched with the mirror when I had the chance!

[damielmillo]

gc83uk , yes you are right.
Does Gho told you about the limit of procedures? or they told you that you can do all procedures that you want?

[gc83uk]

To elaborate directly from hasci.com

HAIR STEM CELL INJECTION
The Hair Stem Cell Transplant is the result of continuous research by HSI. One of the next steps will be Hair Stem Cell Injection (HaarStamcel Injectie®), not a new transplant method but a quantum leap forward with HST. This injection method has achieved very satisfactory results in practice. Thanks in part to the quality of the results, this method can be expected to be officially launched in the near future.
THE DIFFERENCE
Up to the removal of the hair stem cells to be transplanted, the technique is the same as HST. The major difference lies in the method of implantation. With HST, the stem cells are "planted" in tiny holes made in the restoration area with a needle. The holes fill with a droplet of blood, which ultimately leads to sealing and healing of the wound. With Hair Stem Cell Injection, the stem cells are injected directly into the skin without prepared holes. This means the following advantages:

[gc83uk]

From what I understand the only difference between HSI and HST is the way the grafts are inserted. With HST I think the holes are made first and then the grafts are placed inside these small holes, HSI, somehow they do it in one move create the hole and also place the graft at the same time, at least that is how I understood it. I should have watched with the mirror when I had the chance!

I didn't actually ask how many times I could reuse the donor, sorry. I'm pretty sure Gho will never say you can infinitely use your donor, this is probably a dangerous statement to make. I think there could be complications of this of which even Gho doesn't fully understand. I'm fairly sure it will be fine to revisit the same donor at least 3 times.

My only concern on this is that the quality of the hair each time your revisit the donor will never be as good as the 1st time, I am certainly not thinking or worrying about this right now. One step at a time for me.

[clandestine]

Might be a silly question, but does Gho's procedure still cost around ten thousand even if one was looking to get a lower number of grafts?

[Tinnitus]

Might be a silly question, but does Gho's procedure still cost around ten thousand even if one was looking to get a lower number of grafts?

RATES (NETHERLANDS)
CHOICE NUMBER OF GRAFTS FROM 01-01-2011 EDUCATIONAL RATE
SCALP HAIR 50 (test) € 570,-
SCALP HAIR < 600 € 3.300,-
SCALP HAIR 600 - 700 € 4.400,- € 3.300,-
SCALP HAIR 700 - 800 € 4.900,- € 3.675,-
SCALP HAIR 800 - 1000 € 5.800,- € 4.350,-
SCALP HAIR 1000 - 1200 € 6.950,- € 5.212,-
SCALP HAIR 1200 - 1400 € 7.900,- € 5.925,-
SCALP HAIR 1400 - 1600 € 8.700,-
SCALP HAIR 1600 - 2300*) € 9.400,-

MOUSTACHE/BEARD 200 - 300 € 3.250,-
EYEBROWS 200 - 300 € 3.250,-

[damielmillo]

It is really really expensive. I will have 1600 grafts but i want more.
I hope the prices will not rise...
But if the donor is regenerated i think its ok

[clandestine]

Right on! Thanks so much for the info.