View Full Version : Aderans expands clinical trials.
Mojo Risin
11-29-2011, 03:50 AM
Aderans Research recently expanded its hair loss clinical trial to four new cities across the United States. With nearly 350 subjects to date, Aderans is undertaking one of the largest clinical studies ever designed to research cell-based solutions to pattern hair loss.
“We continue to make good progress in our research and have a very positive outlook for the trial,” said Chief Executive Officer Ken Washenik, M.D., Ph.D. “Plans are in order to finish Phase 2 next year and we’ll be one step closer to helping those who suffer from male and female pattern hair loss.”
Launched in November 2008, Phase 2 is being conducted in 21 locations across the country. The newest sites to participate in the trial are Santa Rosa, Calif.; Greer, S.C.; Akron, Ohio; and Denver, Colo. Aderans continues to recruit subjects; visit http://www.aderansresearch.com/ari_clinicupdates.html for details about active locations.
“Our cell engineering process is unlike any other,” said Vern Liebmann, Chief Operating Officer. “We’re focused on finding the most promising cell product treatment from the Ji Gami™ family of cell products. We are confident this holds the key to hair restoration.”
A pioneer in its field, Aderans is committed to developing cutting-edge solutions for those who struggle with hair loss. For more information about Aderans Research, visit http://www.aderansresearch.com.
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Good enough.
UK Boy
11-29-2011, 08:07 AM
I read pretty much the same stuff and was pleased to hear that phase II was on track to finish next year. However I was reading a thread elsewhere and they had listed all the Aderans clinical trials, it shows that there was a trial that was started this July that doesn't conclude until Feb 2013. This is where I get confused and don't know if Aderans is just out right lying in there public statements or what. Because if that clinical trail which is part of the phase II trials doesn't conclude until Feb 2013 then how can they possibly be on track to wrap phase II up nexrt year!?
Perhaps there's someone on here that knows more about it? This is the kind of situation where I wish these companies would give us more feedback, just to be totally clear on things.
Mojo Risin
11-29-2011, 08:50 AM
However I was reading a thread elsewhere
Where.
dkayla77
11-29-2011, 09:11 AM
no he is right.
there was a thread somewhere that had a link to the official clinicaltrials website or FDA trials website or something like that, and it listed all the aderans trials and one of them didn't end until february 2013.....they were testing various formulations.
only thing i can think of is perhaps they have enough data or information to not need that last trial. otherwise, what can you say,they are probably making it up in public statements.
Sogeking
11-29-2011, 09:29 AM
I believe you guys are misreading something. By 'wrapping up' the phase II trials it means to get the first hand results 6 months after the adminstering their compound. But that doesn't mean they will stop there.
I mean Histogen finished their phase I trials and showed their results but they still conducted post-op checkups after 1 year, and so on.
To clarify:
Adreans started the last part fo their phase II trial in July. 6 months later they will have first results, but due to efficacy and safety they still have one year follow up, second year follow up, etc.
The same thing is with Replicel they will finish their phase I trials in February/March next year but they will still have follow up post_op checkups well into 2013. Thats how things are done. Because due to safety concerns your drug can start inducing potentially cancer viable compounds after a year or two, maybe even three of administering the compound.
This is good news, but what it actually means is that Aderns is the least susceptible to financial problems. Although Replicels treatment seems more effective.
But I believe that Aderns will be the first to come out with their treatment.
Mojo Risin
11-29-2011, 11:42 AM
there was a thread somewhere
I repeat : where.
dkayla77
11-29-2011, 12:11 PM
I repeat : where.
http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?term=aderans
This is good news, but what it actually means is that Aderns is the least susceptible to financial problems. Although Replicels treatment seems more effective.
But I believe that Aderns will be the first to come out with their treatment.
What makes you "believe" that Replicel is more effective? Replicel have only just started testing on human beings so how the hell would any human being on this planet except maybe people in their inner circles know about this information.
All we can say about Replicel is that it definitely grows hair on mice - really really well by the looks of it.
Aderans on the other hand. Have over 350 balding people (not mice) growing hair back on their heads. We just don't know how well yet. I wish we did because I want to go out there and buy some!!!!
All Aderans has to do for me is do a better job then Propecia. Then I reckon I could get a HT from anybody in the world to add density. If Gho works then Gho + Aderans could be the magic bullet we're all waiting for...
RichardDawkins
11-30-2011, 01:44 AM
Assumptions assumptions lets wait for 201 and then attack the companies
Assumptions assumptions lets wait for 201 and then attack the companies
Exactly. We dont know anything just yet.
Also lets nobody attack anybody - we're all on the same side :)
UK Boy
11-30-2011, 04:54 AM
[QUOTE=Sogeking;44755]I believe you guys are misreading something. By 'wrapping up' the phase II trials it means to get the first hand results 6 months after the adminstering their compound. But that doesn't mean they will stop there. I mean Histogen finished their phase I trials and showed their results but they still conducted post-op checkups after 1 year, and so on.
To clarify:
Adreans started the last part fo their phase II trial in July. 6 months later they will have first results, but due to efficacy and safety they still have one year follow up, second year follow up, etc.
I'm not gonna argue and I do understand totally what you're saying and maybe that is the case but my arguement is that they don't make that clear in their statement.
What they say is that they are on track to FINISH phase II next year, not gather information from the first 6 months before carrying on for another 2 years of follow ups. The presumption is that all parts of the trial will be finished and all information gathered so they can then move onto phase III. Replicel do not imply anywhere that their first phase will be FINISHED in Q1 2012, they simply say they will have the first info from it.
Once again, I'm not trying to get into an arguement, just simply saying that their statement seems misleading and I feel there's no need for it at the end of the day. All it's gonna mean is that next year people on the forums are gonna be going "Have Aderans finished their phase II yet, cos they said in their statement last year....." When in actual fact there may never have been any hope of them FINISHING phase II in 2012.
Sogeking
11-30-2011, 09:51 AM
@UK Boy
Hey you might be right. Who knows how they've setup their trials.
All I'm saying it might be a difference of actual workings and proceedings of trials or semantics as I've proposed. We'll see in 2012, and than we can smite 'em :D.
@Kiwi
Honestly I don't care if it is Aderans, REplicel, Histogen or Redneck Bills HairCompany that offers us the most effective treatment. I just want one to come.
If both Aderans and Replicel offer theirs than more options for us which is a good thing!
What I am happy about is that atleast we have some promising stuff to watch for and hope for.
The situation is not so bright for acne remedies where there is no new treatments at all (just bunch of Trx2 types of differently packaged vitamins)
or for Alzhiemrs, cancer where there is constantly some new breakthrough in research coming out but no viable treatments to follow.
RichardDawkins
11-30-2011, 10:50 AM
I agree, i also dont give a fuck who comes first or second as long as they come to market, thats it.
And i agree we baldies should consider ourselves lucky, we have viable options pretty soon, while as stated above people with acne Alzheimer desease, cancer, HIV dont have that good options.
And i can tell you, my skin is luckily pretty clean etc and i dont wanna have acne and a full head of hair, i rather have thinning hair and hm on the horizon and a solution to thinning hair rather then bad skin and good hair
vamaqua
11-30-2011, 12:59 PM
I live in Denver and I am strongly considering enrolling in trials. Should I do it?
fitness-man
11-30-2011, 01:59 PM
I live in Denver and I am strongly considering enrolling in trials. Should I do it?
have you called to see what they are saying or asking?
eqvist
11-30-2011, 02:00 PM
Do you guys think that it will be possible to use Aderans and HSC and replicel in a combo?
matlondon
11-30-2011, 06:46 PM
I'm interested in the first product that comes to market gets my money. i have 6k saved up should be enough for nw1.5/2
I have no hope that future treatments will be the cure, Histogen will most likely work for people that have just started losing hair, Aderans is never gonna hit the market and who knows what will Replicel bring but sincerely hope I'm wrong.
Maybe Follica surprises as all.
I'm 26 now and how the things are going cure will probably come when I'm 50 and I won't needed then because nothing can turn back time.
RichardDawkins
12-01-2011, 11:21 AM
Nah he doesnt, its just your average shittalk
Core why you say that?? It is just pesimist or you know something that we don't know?
No, just pessimist.
Aderans is just prolonging their trials, probably treatment isn't that efficient, no word from Histogen, have they began their trials, it's over 2.5 years since they did that trial with 24 subjects, don't know what to except from Replicel, apparently Follica ended phase 2 but they are really quiet.
I like to think I would get my hair back by the time I'm 30 news aren't really encouraging.
clandestine
12-01-2011, 04:17 PM
No, just pessimist.
Aderans is just prolonging their trials, probably treatment isn't that efficient, no word from Histogen, have they began their trials, it's over 2.5 years since they did that trial with 24 subjects, don't know what to except from Replicel, apparently Follica ended phase 2 but they are really quiet.
I like to think I would get my hair back by the time I'm 30 news aren't really encouraging.
Well not with that attitude, Mrs. negative Nancy!
Kampung101
12-02-2011, 10:40 AM
No, just pessimist.
Aderans is just prolonging their trials, probably treatment isn't that efficient, no word from Histogen, have they began their trials, it's over 2.5 years since they did that trial with 24 subjects, don't know what to except from Replicel, apparently Follica ended phase 2 but they are really quiet.
I like to think I would get my hair back by the time I'm 30 news aren't really encouraging.
If the treatment hasn't shown to be efficient than its likely they would have not got that 150 million investment they received recently.
This type of pessimistic thinking is as unrealistic as the overly optimistic thinking that some have shown.
Kampung101
12-02-2011, 10:43 AM
So, do we have some results allready from Aderans??
Yes.
Theres a couple of videos posted on youtube (if they're still there) of Washenick's presentation talk to investors with pictures of some of their results.
I think there is a link to one of the vids somewhere in this section of the forum.
You mean this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oQYjppOPJM ?? I understud well it is 14 hair per cm^2... that is nothing... Suck :(
Are you fucking retarded!?!?
That is so much better than 0 hair per cm^2 which is what most bald people have to deal with. If I got another 14 hair per cm^2 I'd be stoked because then I could thicken up with a transplant if I thought it necessary.
cleverusername
12-14-2011, 06:54 PM
Also remember that with Aderans there aren't the risky sides from taking finasteride. I'm sure anyone would be happy with those 14 hairs per cm^2 without risking their libido.
Dude relax...
I still thinkt that is nothing. Why? Because "helthy" head have more or less 200 hair per cm^2. This 14 is like dense packing with 7 grafs.
Sorry. I reread your comment and I over reacted. I just don't like guys dissing one of our few hopes.
I still think 14 is better then 0 which is what a lot of people are stuck with. At the end of the day if you're destined to have 0 on top then you should be happy with whatever technology can afford us :)
RichardDawkins
12-15-2011, 03:56 AM
You are an idiot this whole
THEY DONT GROW IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION
Is BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT brought up by shills. Cells other then some users here, know where they have to go to.
Did you saw wrong growing hair on those mice? Hmmm nope they ROFL OMG LOL 1337 grew in the correct direction.
Wanna know why this is? Its because your whole fucking body has areas where cell types or cell patterns ACT like a 3D matrix. You know, 3D like in multi dimensions.
Yes Hairs will grow into your brain, thats was the most embarrassing and stupid statement EVER, and i red a lot of SpanishDudes comments. IF a hair would grow into your brain, this damn hair had to be made of diamond or something to pierce your SKULL BONE.
God dammit, i try to stay away from forums but some comments are just plain stupid and i ask myself, what those people think when they post such stuff
CVAZBAR
12-16-2011, 12:18 AM
I agree, staying away from forums would be an excellent idea. You should do it :D.
Mojo Risin
12-16-2011, 01:18 AM
I agree, staying away from forums would be an excellent idea. You should do it :D.
Absolutly, bad attitude.
CVAZBAR
12-16-2011, 02:53 AM
Absolutly, bad attitude.
Its 10 years away Mojo. What are you still doing here?
RichardDawkins
12-16-2011, 03:47 AM
Trolling around of course, because for a 22 year old guy who looks like in his 40s its hard to not troll around
Kampung101
12-18-2011, 03:39 PM
You mean this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oQYjppOPJM ?? I understud well it is 14 hair per cm^2... that is nothing... Suck :(
You're overlooking the fact that the 14 hairs is proof of concept. Those numbers are most likely from the first protocols of phase 2 which were designed mostly for proof of concept, that means its answering the question of "does this treatment work on some level?", subsequent protocols are to improve and expand efficacy. And we the balding public won't get that info until Aderans has finished phase 2 where they get the official data.
Don't be so quick to make a judgment on something until you get all the facts in order.
bigentries
12-18-2011, 09:20 PM
Is someone concerned about the lack of news from external sources?
I know the balding community is very small, even the most popular forums have a fraction of activity that other specialized forums have.
But if this was really the holy grail of baldness treatments, don't you think Aderans would have problems with information leaking?
The only thing I remember was someone at hair site claiming to be in the trials, and the results were mediocre at best. However, he said it was probably to early to tell
He promised more news, but I haven't read anything about it yet, I think his last post was a year ago
Kampung101
12-19-2011, 01:12 AM
Is someone concerned about the lack of news from external sources?
I know the balding community is very small, even the most popular forums have a fraction of activity that other specialized forums have.
But if this was really the holy grail of baldness treatments, don't you think Aderans would have problems with information leaking?
The only thing I remember was someone at hair site claiming to be in the trials, and the results were mediocre at best. However, he said it was probably to early to tell
He promised more news, but I haven't read anything about it yet, I think his last post was a year ago
Nobody knows whether it will or will not be the "holy grail". And until they finish their clinical trials, I'm sure Aderans doesn't know yet either.
Also, I would be cautious about reading statements of insider knowledge coming from a place like hairsite. And even if that poster was being honest, considering that the clinical trials are double blinded and have both experimental and control groups, that poster would have no knowledge of whether he was in the experimental group (the one that gets the real treatment) or the control group (the one that gets the placebo). And if he was apart of the experimental group, nobody receiving the treatment is going to achieve the exact same results (its pretty much impossible), not to mention if these posts started over a year ago it would be from the early protocols of phase 2.
Finally, I'm pretty sure participants in clinical trials are required not to leak info of the trials with the risk of experiencing some type of consequence, most likely being removed from the trial (might explain the lack of future posts from said poster).
RichardDawkins
12-19-2011, 05:25 AM
14 hairs from scratch is a proof of concept which can be improved.
Why dont people get this fact
Mojo Risin
12-19-2011, 05:59 AM
What's wrong with you Dawkins, you're not licking Gho's balls anymore ? That bipolarity.
5 years away guys.
RichardDawkins
12-19-2011, 08:28 AM
Under normal circumstances i am solidarising with every hair loss sufferer but in your cae i hae to reevaluate this attitude big time.
Anywa i think you need to search help because you cant write anything without insulting a person or without swear words.
Seek help my 22 year old boy
Mojo Risin
12-19-2011, 08:00 PM
Under normal circumstances i am solidarising with every hair loss sufferer but in your cae i hae to reevaluate this attitude big time.
Anywa i think you need to search help because you cant write anything without insulting a person or without swear words.
Seek help my 22 year old boy
Still a psycho, I see. Let's go seek some help together shall we :p
Still a psycho, I see. Let's go seek some help together shall we :p
Poor little guy. Poor little bitter guy...