Gho HSi patient had close up pictures

[RichardDawkins]

Hi i just wanted to inform the Bald Truth Audience that at hair site, there is a patient who had done HSI at Ghos place. He was also so kind to provide us with close up pictures.

Even on those pictures its quiet obvious that regrowth had taken place, you can see small hairs mixed in with longer hairs, also you see hairs sprouting from crusts etc, well its nice to see this.

here is the picture to evaluate http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/9/20/3198745//week1donor%20010.jpg

Warning high quality, upper right corner just for curious people or so

[Follicle Death Row]

It's hard to know. Let me play devil's advocate here and say I only see single hair follicles. Hope I'm wrong and Gho is not just splitting follicles.

[depressed17]

it seems pretty real to me, shame its so expensive :/

[krewel]

Looks good.

[VictimOfDHT]

it seems pretty real to me, shame its so expensive :/

Just wondering, how expensive is it ?

[BoSox]

Thanks for the link Dawkins.


I guess the only problem is cost :/

[clandestine]

Thank you for contributing positively, Dawkins.

[RichardDawkins]

What? First everyone here calls me a psycho and insults me with constant Fuck You tirades and now everyone is playing lamb?

WTF, dont be so jumpy if you want solutions, i said it at hair site today, that we are responsible for our fate, end of story.

I wont repeat mself here but you can read my statement there, and nothing has changed so far

[clandestine]

It was a compliment, learn to take these with grace. In light of your recent behaviour on the forums I had some reservations posting in this thread, so as to not draw any attention from your over inflated ego. However, deciding some positive reinforcement was in order following a positive contribution I posted anyway. Perhaps I was wrong, prove me otherwise.

[BoSox]

Dawkins, I never thought bad about you. You were just being honest with your opinions... nevermind what everybody thinks because we all want the same thing.... but honestly, learn to take a compliment bro :P

[NeedHairASAP]

I'm still wondering if he is splitting hairs but my gut says he is not

[RichardDawkins]

If he would have splittet those hairs, they wont sprout in this pattern.

Strange, first everyone was like "Gho make us some NW6 transformation"

Then people were like " HST just doesnt work"

Then they were " Too expensive"

And now people are saying those are splittet hairs? What is wrong with the hair loss community?

[krewel]

Splitted hairs hahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahaahahahahahah. I knew HST is simple, all u need is an axe!

[RichardDawkins]

And you called me a psycho? Well well seems to be the other way round

[krewel]

And you called me a psycho? Well well seems to be the other way round

No, actually I called u stupid because of the weird way u interprete things. And again it's evident, I was being sarcastic, I wasn't even laughing about you. Did you say they're just splitting hairs? No some other guys did, so shut the fuck up.

[RichardDawkins]

Are you so UNDER Class, that you have to use the F Word all the time. To me you seem like trailer park trash

[RichardDawkins]

http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/9/20/3198745//day12%20004.JPG

http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/9/20/3198745//day12%20005.JPG

Donor pics same patient after 12 days

in the second picture ou can see a three hair follicle where two have alrady sprout and the third is coming, right now a black knub.

Anyway i wanna hear the F bombs towards me

[krewel]

Seriously, if ur so hyped about Gho, why don't u get a Gho Transplant then? Don't get me wrong, I never thought bad about Gho and I also believe his technique works. I personally just don't like HTs because they do not look naturally. Gho's technique is not the solution for me, but it's a good treatment. I'll wait for the injection daddys, if they fail I'll probably go for Gho.

[RichardDawkins]

Its not about me, its about this patient here who had HSI

[Samiam]

He's got a point if you have so much confidence in this when are you going to sign yourself up for an appointment with GHO????

[UK Boy]

I said this as well!

Dawkins keeps coming on here telling us that Gho has cracked it and that this is it - he's taken a NW6 back to NW1! But that's all he's doing, he's all talk but no action. It's like he's just looking for people to contest it so he can argue with them.

If you really believe in this 100% what are you still doing on the forum Dawkins? You've got your cure! You don't need to be on here arguing! Get on the phone to Gho's clinic, book your appointment, wait your time, get it done and then after it's all grown in by all means come back and post photos of the results but otherwise get on with your life cos that's what it's all about!

[Follicle Death Row]

I want to believe this technique works but to my eye at least it still doesn't appear like there's many multi haired follicles there. I'm seeing mainly singles which is a red flag to me. I do see a few multis but not every follicle is used when they shave down so I guess you have to wonder. What's the consensus guys?

[Kiwi]

http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/9/20/3198745//day12%20004.JPG

http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/9/20/3198745//day12%20005.JPG

Donor pics same patient after 12 days

in the second picture ou can see a three hair follicle where two have alrady sprout and the third is coming, right now a black knub.

Anyway i wanna hear the F bombs towards me

How do we know these are even of a Gho patient?

Also I agree with what people are saying. This is totally about you Dorkins - at least it is to other contributors on this site, so when are you booking in to get a Gho transplant?

[RichardDawkins]

Well then, i dont think i should provide anything anymore, unthankful asshats.

You believe comb over and Toppik Clinics but not a patient who were openly showed himself? Ridicolous. Hey anyway lets discuss masturbation stops and TRX2 because those are the ral solutions here.

And thats the problem why especially you guys will stay bald for your whole life time. Because you dont bring hair transplantation any further with your ridicolous childish bickering and bitching about everything.

Call your clinics, demand them to offer HSt or Everyone of you fucktards who constantly attack me will die bald and thats a fact.

Has it never come to your mind WHY till today none of the clinics debunked Ghos stuff? Seriously where are the people with at least half a working brain here.

Anyway consider this toppic Gho done, at least here, go and grab yourself some informations then, i think ou can make the best of it, but from myself consider an information stop

[UK Boy]

So Dawkins ranted at us but he still didn't answer our question as to why he isn't booked in with Gho to have this done. He really seems to have gone off the rails, all he does nowadays is rant and look for fights.

[BoSox]

I really hope Replicel comes out soon, I can't stand all this bs on these forums. It's making everybody bitter :P

[Sogeking]

Hey Stevie Dee.
This pictures are a move forward as far as I'm concerned. But why did Gho took grafts from donor area in two stripes? You can see that the back of the head looks like a road with two lanes and grassy patch. I guess it is a good metaphore.

However I would like to see pictures from further away, I would like to see scalp pictures and I would like to see pictures before the OP, and after the OP in the next 3,6 and 9 months time if it is possible.
My problem with Dr. Gho has always been lack of photographic evidence. The kind that is visible from countless of doctors on this very forum on the index page.

We need multiple patients, we need to assess the HST procedure through multiple examinations after the procedure( as I said above, some kind of checkpoints every 3 months going on for several years).

The next questions is, how do we know that donor hair that sprouts back is going to stay on. Because I believe Dr. Cole said that after plucking your hair out for a few times, new ones do not grow back. And can we use that hair again as donor grafts. If we cannot, then this is at best a procedure that leaves your donor intact (still a good thing though), although we still face limited donor problem.


The last thing is the cost, I can't remember but I think that you can have maximally 2000 grafts per procedure. And it costs a lot. You have to take into account that everyone who is below NW5 will have to have atleast 5 procedures if the donor area allows it. That could cost as much as a new car. If Replicel, Histogen or Aderans come out on the market it will affect the prices of other procedures so we could all hope for a cheaper treatments in the future. No matter which ones remain as the best.


Thank you for the pictures Stevie but still what bothers me the most is your really bad, immature behaviour. Thats why no one takes you seriously. I hope you will work on that.

This is a move forward but still I remain cautious and sceptical, let us hope that in the years to come Gho will prove me wrong.

[Samiam]

I kinda feel bad f or dawkins, its like he's gone senile

[BoSox]

http://tressless.com/2010/04/27/unlimited-donor-hair-from-coen-ghos-partial-unit-extraction/


I know this article may be old news to some, but it's worth reading if you haven't.

Looks like Gho is the real deal.

[Kiwi]

http://tressless.com/2010/04/27/unlimited-donor-hair-from-coen-ghos-partial-unit-extraction/


I know this article may be old news to some, but it's worth reading if you haven't.

Looks like Gho is the real deal.

Nope it doesn't look like it at all.
It'll only look like it once we have peer reviewed photos.

Only thing that looks positive to us a hair transplant or histogen. And I've had a HT and I'll probably be getting another before HSC is ready for sale.

[Sogeking]

WE all just need some evidence that it works. If this works we have nothing to lose only to gain. But we are all still waiting for evidence.

[NeedHairASAP]

WE all just need some evidence that it works. If this works we have nothing to lose only to gain. But we are all still waiting for evidence.


we have plenty of evidence


Its really a question of if Gho is regenerating each follicle extracted or just splitting follicular units... but there is DEFINITELY WITHOUT ANY QUESTION hair growing out of the HST graft wounds, several photos (from forum posters and Gho himself) corroborate this

[NeedHairASAP]

Hey Stevie Dee.
This pictures are a move forward as far as I'm concerned. But why did Gho took grafts from donor area in two stripes? You can see that the back of the head looks like a road with two lanes and grassy patch. I guess it is a good metaphore.

However I would like to see pictures from further away, I would like to see scalp pictures and I would like to see pictures before the OP, and after the OP in the next 3,6 and 9 months time if it is possible.
My problem with Dr. Gho has always been lack of photographic evidence. The kind that is visible from countless of doctors on this very forum on the index page.

We need multiple patients, we need to assess the HST procedure through multiple examinations after the procedure( as I said above, some kind of checkpoints every 3 months going on for several years).

The next questions is, how do we know that donor hair that sprouts back is going to stay on. Because I believe Dr. Cole said that after plucking your hair out for a few times, new ones do not grow back. And can we use that hair again as donor grafts. If we cannot, then this is at best a procedure that leaves your donor intact (still a good thing though), although we still face limited donor problem.


The last thing is the cost, I can't remember but I think that you can have maximally 2000 grafts per procedure. And it costs a lot. You have to take into account that everyone who is below NW5 will have to have atleast 5 procedures if the donor area allows it. That could cost as much as a new car. If Replicel, Histogen or Aderans come out on the market it will affect the prices of other procedures so we could all hope for a cheaper treatments in the future. No matter which ones remain as the best.


Thank you for the pictures Stevie but still what bothers me the most is your really bad, immature behaviour. Thats why no one takes you seriously. I hope you will work on that.

This is a move forward but still I remain cautious and sceptical, let us hope that in the years to come Gho will prove me wrong.


a. he took the grafts from different areas because it helps regeneration and healing in general... Gho (and every other FUE surgeon on earth) are plugging holes into your head... the more spread out these holes are the less stress, trauma, swelling per cm... Gho seems to be putting safety precautions in place like this that other docs could care less about... although when you think about all the little holes being put in your head speading them out like this in two areas seems like common sense no?


b. the donor hair that sprouts will definitely stay for at least a few procedures. You may extinguish the follicles ability to regenerate (much like with plucking) after you damage it multiple times.. however the hair that grows back with HST seems to be very well intact in the skin and not going anywhere...Id say its more of a question if gho is splitting hairs or regenerating each hair and how well those hairs yield in the recipient area



c. I've said it before... I'll pass up driving a mercedes for a full head of hair ANY DAY! bald guys in mercedes look like they're trying too hard to make up for their lack of hair anyway



d. yes he offers no more than 2,300 grafts I believe...which costs somewhere around 13,000 dollars...maybe less now that the euro tanked this last week... although he seems to suggest to celebrities to get no more than 1,700 at a time (both dean saunders and wesley shcneider did this, even tho they could afford the maximum) .... you could argue this is so he can make more money, or you could argue that its related to the idea of less holes in your head= less trauma and better healing/regeneration/yields.

Its hard to believe but maybe its win-win... Gho makes more money from offering low graft procedures... AND patients really do get a better quality HT in terms of yield/healing/regeneration rates.... sometimes (maybe even more than sometimes) capitalism works out this way



in general I can't see Gho trying to lie about this... if he was scaming he'd be avoiding high profile exposure and high profile patients... not trying to speed up the scam being found out

[RichardDawkins]

Hmm some people here are smart and others are just stupid. Kiwi is the latter category for sure.

HST is expensive thats correct, but if you want it to be cheaper well you have to demand it from your clinics, but as long as people here attack each other, the will stay bald or will be "happy" with getting hairs transplanted from A to B.

Hmmm if i recall it so far we have :

GhO : Redefining his HST, offering or testing HSI, Increase Graft number, price tag stays the same

Other: Not even interested in Acell, offering FUT and scalp tattoos, offering big hole FUE etc etc

Yawn clear case and now Kiwi excuse me i have to take a shower because i feel somehow dirty right after talking to you

[Sogeking]

we have plenty of evidence


Its really a question of if Gho is regenerating each follicle extracted or just splitting follicular units...
How do follicular units react to splitting. Are there some negative effects of follicles which are split, can both of halves or parts act like a new follicle?

[NeedHairASAP]

How do follicular units react to splitting. Are there some negative effects of follicles which are split, can both of halves or parts act like a new follicle?


a. if you are not multiplying hairs but simply splitting Follicular Units THEN for example....if you have a FU with 4 hairs, you graft "split" hairs....two hairs regenerate in the donor and the "split" follicles will regenerate 2 hairs in the recipient.. thusly no actual increase in the amount of hair

b. the negative aspect is that you aren't actually increasing the donor... but whether he is splitting or multiplying there is no negative affects on the cosmetic characteristics of the follicles (the follicles are just as strong, thick, dark, etc.)

c. yes both hairs will act like a new follicle but there will be no "multiplication" of the finite amount of follicles that you have...



BUT if gho isn't merely splitting Follicular Units... if he transects and all of the hairs in the original FU grow back AND the tissue transplanted to the recipient also grows hairs THEN you have hair multiplication




this is really the only question left to ask about Gho... as there is definitely something popping out of the HST graft scars... but is Gho multiplying or simply leaving half behind? He claims to be multiplying...and we hope that he is multiplying.. and it is very possible he is multiplying... and his claims are the same claims made my italian scientists who tested the same procedure






HOWEVER even if gho is multiplying and not splitting.... he will only be able to harvest the same hair so many times. Maybe three or four times (or maybe more) before, as you mentioned, you traumatize the FU too much for it to regenerate

[RichardDawkins]

Ok lets say you have 4000 Grafts in the real safe zone and you can harvest each of them 4 times......equals 16.000 Grafts aka around 32.000 hairs from irigin 100.000 hairs on your head.

Hmmm i say problem solved

[Kiwi]

Hmm some people here are smart and others are just stupid. Kiwi is the latter category for sure.

HST is expensive thats correct, but if you want it to be cheaper well you have to demand it from your clinics, but as long as people here attack each other, the will stay bald or will be "happy" with getting hairs transplanted from A to B.

Hmmm if i recall it so far we have :

GhO : Redefining his HST, offering or testing HSI, Increase Graft number, price tag stays the same

Other: Not even interested in Acell, offering FUT and scalp tattoos, offering big hole FUE etc etc

Yawn clear case and now Kiwi excuse me i have to take a shower because i feel somehow dirty right after talking to you

Then you have the douche bags like dorkins that jump to conclusions and try to tell people companies like Histogen are dead.

You do the maths folks. Who's reeeealy the dumb one?

[RichardDawkins]

People who run into FUT Mills

[Sogeking]

@NeedHairASAP
Thx for explanation.

Also I would like to comment on all of this hate against particular procedure or treatment be it HSI or Histogen. I mean guys think for a second. If all upcoming future treatments work and turn out to be effective and safe then we are all benefiting. Competition breeds excellence.

[RichardDawkins]

Well this argument is correct but unfortunately people are not smart or think about this.

Take Kiwi for example, you has been to a transplant, i guess he is not satisfied with his transplant because he lurk at HM forums. But he plays Mister Big Shot when he insults me. Well i dont care because i have all my donor reserves still intact and when i opt for a treatment, i will be fixed for good without

1) useless scars
2) pubic hair
3) comb over illusions

I will just be done, nothing special and nothing fancy. But this "smart" guy has to do compromises between everything so who gives.

Or take a look at SpanishDude, this guy is so retarded and insane that he cheers for stuff to go down the drain, yes he cheers for this. Which in my standards is a clear sign of insanity.

Also he wanted to disprove Gho since ages, but unfortunately all of Ghos actions backfired into SpanishDudes face.

SpanishDude cried " We want NW6 to NW1 guys" i was like " They will come". SpanishDude replied some BS which i totally forgot about. Then this Dean Saunders guy a very severe case of NW6 comes by and gets an HST treatment and has now a NW1 or NW2 hair line without comb over douchebag style.

Well this story can be told further but why use th time for it.

Smart people wont be bald forever and stupid people will stay bald

[Flowers]

Man, people are crazy. I'd be happy as a NW2 or 3 for the rest of my life. If you're a NW6 wanting nothing less than to be NW1 I think you're reaching a bit.

[RichardDawkins]

Why this Dean Saunders guy is clearly obvious a NW6 candidate with a huge Egg head and now he has a NW1 or NW2 hair line done by Gho and follow ups are also planned.

So in other words, this guy wont have any more problems in the future regarding hair loss, well except getting fat, this is a huge problem for men above 30 so i think he will get liposuction or something.

Anyway, only because Gho say three or two follow up sessions are enought, doesnt mena that you could want another round of HSt done as well

[Follicle Death Row]

If HST is working fantastic. Only thing at this point is that very few 3 haired follicles can be transplanted as they're primarily splitting 3s I'd imagine. 4s if people are lucky enough to have a good few. I might be wrong but my understanding of what Gho claims to be doing is transecting a 3 haired follicle for example and and taking 2 hairs and transplanting them to the recipient where 2 grow. In the donor the 2 taken away regenerate to form a 3 haired follicle again.

Or is it the case that if you transect a 3 haired follicle and transplant 2 hairs, a 3 haired follicle develops in the recipient and a 3 haired follicle regenerates in the donor, effectively doubling the hair count? I might have to have a read of that paper again to see what he actually claims to be doing. I hope it's doubling.

Worst case scenario is Gho is just splitting hairs. I doubt it though.

[Kiwi]

Well this argument is correct but unfortunately people are not smart or think about this.

Take Kiwi for example, you has been to a transplant, i guess he is not satisfied with his transplant because he lurk at HM forums. But he plays Mister Big Shot when he insults me. Well i dont care because i have all my donor reserves still intact and when i opt for a treatment, i will be fixed for good without

1) useless scars
2) pubic hair
3) comb over illusions

I will just be done, nothing special and nothing fancy. But this "smart" guy has to do compromises between everything so who gives.

Or take a look at SpanishDude, this guy is so retarded and insane that he cheers for stuff to go down the drain, yes he cheers for this. Which in my standards is a clear sign of insanity.

Also he wanted to disprove Gho since ages, but unfortunately all of Ghos actions backfired into SpanishDudes face.

SpanishDude cried " We want NW6 to NW1 guys" i was like " They will come". SpanishDude replied some BS which i totally forgot about. Then this Dean Saunders guy a very severe case of NW6 comes by and gets an HST treatment and has now a NW1 or NW2 hair line without comb over douchebag style.

Well this story can be told further but why use th time for it.

Smart people wont be bald forever and stupid people will stay bald

What are you waiting for then? I'm excited about seeing your one year post operation update. Is the only reason you've not done it because of money? What NW class are you? And how old are you?

[RichardDawkins]

I dont have to tell you actually because its not of your interest. But i have to wait till i got the money for two consecutive sessions, not only one and a half. If i wanna do it, then i do it right.

And now, what you gonna say actually your argumentation " You dont have the money" is so ridicolous without knowing my financial background. And you call yourself someone who helps? I doub it

[Kiwi]

I dont have to tell you actually because its not of your interest. But i have to wait till i got the money for two consecutive sessions, not only one and a half. If i wanna do it, then i do it right.

And now, what you gonna say actually your argumentation " You dont have the money" is so ridicolous without knowing my financial background. And you call yourself someone who helps? I doub it

Youre wrong about me wanting to know. I just want to know that you'd go to Gho should you be able to afford it one day.

[Samiam]

Dawkins just Stfu you come on here JUST to argue, even after you've proven a point.

[Kiwi]

Dawkins just Stfu you come on here JUST to argue, even after you've proven a point.

I don't think Dawkins will ever be able to afford to see Gho. I think that is why he is so angry.

So meanwhile, one day in the future (best case scenario), I will have;

1) a hidden scar - I like to have long hair so that is ok
2) a head full of hair - I'd like to think thanks to HT's and Histogen for that
3) actually I won't have a scar because I'll get FUE to hide that too or new tech will just somehow remove it, IF Gho is proven I might even go there (its the same IF for whether Histogen is going work but I damn well hope so a hell of a lot more)

Dawkins will still have;

1) no hair
2) bills to pay
3) to be obnoxious on this site

[Kiwi]

Actually. What happened to your thoughts on this:
http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=5351

You said you think Histogen could work. And that there are no WOW results.

It'd be awesome if you started a new thread with links to indisputable before and after photographs for people with NW4 + conditions. These images are not exactly WOW:

http://www.hasci.com/en/e6aabe5b-3d1f-421f-97ff-59cc249ef737/0/Results__br___aesthetic_purposes/Scalp__man__front.aspx

[RichardDawkins]

Well if you say so its up to your imagination. But to me it is very simple you lack self esteem big time, because you stalk me and you focuss yourself solely on my persona, which is ridicolous, just ridicolous.

You are obsessed with me. And you should forget this Histogen pipe dream btw. Also if you wouldnt lack self esteem like you claim, why did ou got a transplant in the past. Why do you as an 40 year old person need discussions on forums

Why do you act like a total infantile when you use my nickname to insult me, this is children stuff. I think all the stuff you said, wife,sex and money is just fabricated in your own self made non existing reality.

You see you cant prove me wrong here what i say, and so you cant say that i have no money. Anyway i really hate people who think of themselves as smart people who wanna help others while they clearly not contributing anything at all

"Histogen is afraid that people used Minoxidil LOL thats a very nice excuse. As if the couldnt measure this right"

For ho long do you guys let Histogen mock you silently? Just out of curiosity

Histogen Excuses so far

1) Earthquake in Japan
2) Maybe People used Minoxidil and Propecia

There are others but those are the most stupid ones

[Kiwi]

Well if you say so its up to your imagination. But to me it is very simple you lack self esteem big time, because you stalk me and you focuss yourself solely on my persona, which is ridicolous, just ridicolous.

You are obsessed with me. And you should forget this Histogen pipe dream btw. Also if you wouldnt lack self esteem like you claim, why did ou got a transplant in the past. Why do you as an 40 year old person need discussions on forums

Why do you act like a total infantile when you use my nickname to insult me, this is children stuff. I think all the stuff you said, wife,sex and money is just fabricated in your own self made non existing reality.

You see you cant prove me wrong here what i say, and so you cant say that i have no money. Anyway i really hate people who think of themselves as smart people who wanna help others while they clearly not contributing anything at all

"Histogen is afraid that people used Minoxidil LOL thats a very nice excuse. As if the couldnt measure this right"

For ho long do you guys let Histogen mock you silently? Just out of curiosity

Histogen Excuses so far

1) Earthquake in Japan
2) Maybe People used Minoxidil and Propecia

There are others but those are the most stupid ones

Whatever dude. I was thinking about this the other day - you're the only guy here who obsessively looks at not just this forum but that hairsite one too, something I certainly can't be bothered doing.

Hek you're here the same amount of time as me if not more - I'm not stalking you (talk about ego), its the threads on Histogen and Gho that interest me. Not you.

I'm waiting to see proof that either of them work - Gho does sound good but I havent seen any pics that make me want to part with 13K euros yet.

If you can get me those pics I'll concede that Gho is a valid option and I'll book a HT with Gho for next year. These do not make me want to spend 13K. These look just like anything on any number of HT websites:

http://www.hasci.com/en/e6aabe5b-3d1f-421f-97ff-59cc249ef737/0/Results__br___aesthetic_purposes/Scalp__man__front.aspx

And quite frankly who cares if I'm behaving childish - your ability to speculate and make up stories about Histogen because of their website is a million times worse then whatever I've done or said to you.

Where is Gho's excuse for not having decent Macro photogrophy proof. At least Histogen are offering excuses, heck I don't even believe the minoxidal excuse was from anybody official.

[VictimOfDHT]

Seriously, all these years and we still don't know if this Gho dude is for real or not. Is it really such a hard thing to find out the truth about this guy's procedure ? So we don't even have one patient who's had an HT done by this doctor ? This guy doesn't perform his procedures in a cave somewhere on a remote island that only a few people have heard of. Does he ? Or does he make his patients sign some kind of paper to never give any info about the procedure or its outcome ?? I'm seriously thinking about going to see this guy myself.

[NeedHairASAP]

Seriously, all these years and we still don't know if this Gho dude is for real or not. Is it really such a hard thing to find out the truth about this guy's procedure ? So we don't even have one patient who's had an HT done by this doctor ? This guy doesn't perform his procedures in a cave somewhere on a remote island that only a few people have heard of. Does he ? Or does he make his patients sign some kind of paper to never give any info about the procedure or its outcome ?? I'm seriously thinking about going to see this guy myself.

it is very strange


we know that something is regrowing in the donor, so he probably is for real... we havn't really figured out if he can actually reharvest the same follicular unit enough to make his procedure cosmetically superior to traditional methods.. but there is a patient on H*irsite.com that posted pictures verifying hairs growing out of scars.... we just have to see, somehow, if the same area is re harvested next time

[greatjob!]

"Histogen is afraid that people used Minoxidil LOL thats a very nice excuse. As if the couldnt measure this right"

For ho long do you guys let Histogen mock you silently? Just out of curiosity

Histogen Excuses so far

1) Earthquake in Japan
2) Maybe People used Minoxidil and Propecia

There are others but those are the most stupid ones

First I'd like to say that anyone who gets into a personal fight on an internet forum is an idiot. What are you guys trying to protect? The integrity of your screen name?

With that being said however the quote above from RichardDawkins is one of the most unintelligent asinine statements I have ever read. I don't give a shit less about what anyone thinks about Hisogen or Gho, but the statement Dawkins made that you could somehow quantify the affects of Rogaine or Propecia is asinine. Furthermore it shows a lack of understanding of the basic fundamentals of the scientific experiment taught in any elementary school. You must isolate all variables in an experiment before you can come close to even forming a valid conclusion. There is no way you can test a hair loss drug on an individual already utilizing two other hair loss drugs and draw any kind of valid conclusion worth a shit.

[Kiwi]

it is very strange


we know that something is regrowing in the donor, so he probably is for real... we havn't really figured out if he can actually reharvest the same follicular unit enough to make his procedure cosmetically superior to traditional methods.. but there is a patient on H*irsite.com that posted pictures verifying hairs growing out of scars.... we just have to see, somehow, if the same area is re harvested next time

Thankyou!!!

Would you risk $13,000 euros at this point in time? I am not 100% sure that I would. The scary thing about Gho is that Gho doesn't even have to proove his claims in order to take your money.

At least with Histogen we're a little protected with the FDA process. If it does work it'll be proveable.

I hope they both work!!!

[NeedHairASAP]

Thankyou!!!

Would you risk $13,000 euros at this point in time? I am not 100% sure that I would. The scary thing about Gho is that Gho doesn't even have to proove his claims in order to take your money.

At least with Histogen we're a little protected with the FDA process. If it does work it'll be proveable.

I hope they both work!!!


how has he not proven his claims? specifically?



first off 13k usd means 13,000 US dollars

secondly, gho has done almost everything he can to prove his claims...

He has about 6 scientific articles on the website showing the progression of the technique... and as much as people say there is no photo evidence there actually is... people just say its fake..

the only lack of evidence is a before after picture of a nw6 going to nw1.. that is the only thing missing.. he gave us his yield % and donor regeneration %.. he gave us pictures of the hairs regrowing in the donor... I mean he gave it to us in a peer reviewed journal but people think its fake

and as far as him not giving us a nw6 to nw1.. he just recently gave a high profile nw6-7, dean saunders, his first procedure.. unfortunately we have to wait a long time to get the nw6-nw1 photos from this



edit: 1. has made all his high profile procedures extremely public

2. has 25 youtube videos

3. multiple scientific papers

4. his claims are corroborated by other scientific findings by other scientists


5. forum posters have finally documented the regrowth in pictures

6. doctors were forced to revoke comments that gho "isnt multiplying"

7. the netherlands is actually a pretty forward looking country and probably has an FDA like body



five months ago I would have been shaky to hand over 13,000 US dollars but today i am much more comfortable doing it, although not 100% sold... more like 90% sold. Im still young so waiting is just as costly as paying now. I'm hoping 13k now, and then when i need number 2,3,4,5 hopefully the cost will slowly move to about 7k or 8k usd by ht#5. people drop money on cars and pay it off over five years, I'm fine with dropping car money on my hair and paying it off over my entire life, not a big deal




I want histogen to work too. They seem to have the dream procedure. But unfortunately its looking more and more like a dream, where as Gho is actually here today on the market and not some secret theory with 4 pictures on a prospectus




@greatjob - i agree they obviously must isolate... why are they having such a hard time doing this? two years after successful trials and they are just now like, whoa wait we need people not on rogaine. not very impressive management


ps - i think you may have just shit on people who shit on people on forums and then shit on a person in a forum. all in the same post.

[RichardDawkins]

Dean Saunders is not NW6 you liar, this guy is NW1 i can proof it because i am Kiwi and SpanishDude in one person. His balding pictures ar fake and Ghos scientific papers are fake as well.

The clinics revoke their statements because they laugh about Gho.

What are you? A Gho shill?

Ok Jokes aside, your statement is just plain hard and boring accurate but you forgot to menstion that Dean Saunders got a NW1 to NW2 hair line WHICH is impossible with traditional transplants where on a NW6 person the donor doesnt regrow.

I believe that Gho uses this patient as his prime NW6 to NW1 transformation guy.

What should Gho do more? I really ask people here what should he do more?

[NeedHairASAP]

Dean Saunders is not NW6 you liar, this guy is NW1 i can proof it because i am Kiwi and SpanishDude in one person. His balding pictures ar fake and Ghos scientific papers are fake as well.

The clinics revoke their statements because they laugh about Gho.

What are you? A Gho shill?

Ok Jokes aside, your statement is just plain hard and boring accurate but you forgot to menstion that Dean Saunders got a NW1 to NW2 hair line WHICH is impossible with traditional transplants where on a NW6 person the donor doesnt regrow.

I believe that Gho uses this patient as his prime NW6 to NW1 transformation guy.

What should Gho do more? I really ask people here what should he do more?



to play devil's advocate... any surgeon can plop 1700 grafts on the front of an nw6... most surgeons just choose not to.. gho hasn't proven anything by making dean putting 1700 grafts as a nw2-nw3 hairline

[RichardDawkins]

Fair enough argument, cant debate about it because in your principle you are absolutely right. Also you presented your point of view in a adult manor so yeah point goes to you.

But i hope we are on par here when i say " Gho is not splitting hairs"

Anyway you see guys, i can admit when my arguments are weak, whats the big deal? But in the Histogen case i am absolutely right, the only postpone the inevitable or else they would have already came to us with something.

Anyway, funny thing is, if all goes down, Gho is still there

[krewel]

Replicel is better anyway

[Sogeking]

Replicel is better anyway

Replicel doesn't have phase 1 results yet. So it is all speculation.
And just in case it has pahse 1 results you would have to wait for phase 3 results to be sure enoguh to make this kinds of claims.

On the other hand I would like for Gho to get more media exposure, and for us to get a lot of photographic evidence.

Because guess what, Propecia had plentiful studies done, and i believe one had 48% of patients with hair regrowth, yet a big percentage of users are using Propecia to slow down hair loss. Not for hair regrowth, because if there is any it is minimal.

All I am saying is, whatever the treatment is the moment I'm gonna believe it works is when I get bunch of people showing me their results. So I am waiting for Gho to prove his claims through the patients with their success stories backed up with detailed photos. I'm gonna give him next 4 or 5 years. Let us see what happens.

[mlao]

By now you would think some of the patients in the videos that he presented
on his website would return for either a second procedure or to show the final
results of their first.

[Follicle Death Row]

There's one thing about Gho's procedure no one can deny. It's by a mile the least invasive. I mean I have real difficulty trying to find which follicles where taken out on a shaved donor because there seems to be little to no hyperpimentation because the extraction tool is so damn small.

One thing other FUE doctors could definitely learn is going down to a 0.6mm or even small extraction tool for taking out singles for the hairline as transection never comes into the equation on singles. 1mm or even 0.9mm is unnecessary for singles.

[Kiwi]

There's one thing about Gho's procedure no one can deny. It's by a mile the least invasive. I mean I have real difficulty trying to find which follicles where taken out on a shaved donor because there seems to be little to no hyperpimentation because the extraction tool is so damn small.

One thing other FUE doctors could definitely learn is going down to a 0.6mm or even small extraction tool for taking out singles for the hairline as transection never comes into the equation on singles. 1mm or even 0.9mm is unnecessary for singles.

This I tend to agree with. Do you guys think that there is a risk that with such a small tool it could actually damage the follicle?

[Follicle Death Row]

This I tend to agree with. Do you guys think that there is a risk that with such a small tool it could actually damage the follicle?

Yes for multis but that's how Gho's method works. You actually transect the follicle and circumvent the yield issues with a growth medium that enables robust growth in the recipient. The transection leaves behind enough dp cells to spring growth of the full follicle again in the donor supposedly. You must transect or damage to multiply seemingly.

When talking about just taking a single for sure you get more tissue with a bigger punch and this is good for yield in the recipient but no so good for white dotting in the donor. Perhaps Acell's best use will be improving yields with smaller punches on singles and helping to avoid hypopigmentation in the donor. This coupled with smaller extraction tools for singles and maybe 2 haired follicles seems to me to be a realistic application for Acell in practice today. Robust growth in the recipient and fantastic healing in the donor.

[elvispresley]

where are the images that prove the function of the gho tecnique?

WE NEED TO PUT ALL THE PHOTOS AND VIDEOS AND PROVES TOGHETER.

thx

[RichardDawkins]

Go to their website. Download the science papers, download the videos.

Go to hair loss boards, search for Gho HSI HST or hasci and download the pictures.

I have to agree with one poster before me, now Gho had provided very much material and now its up to the surgeons to disproof Gho.

Btw they tend to say "Gho must proof it" yeah but hat should he do more what more?

Take a look at science literature they all know that follicles have the ability to fully regenerate themselve therefore even a NW7 guy can be fully restored to a dense NW1 over a long time span

But one thing is pretty clear, of course Gho is only offering smaller sessions for a higher price, but thats because no other one is offering it so i would do the same. Also its good for him because if others would offer it, guess what he could decrease the price or increase graft number because he knows how to tweak his procedure.

If you dont believe me, end an email to tissue engineering researchers, Histogen, Replicel or Aderans and ask them

"Do follicles have the ability to fully regenerate themselves?"

[Delphi]

Gho has done nothing but create a buzz about a technique that is completely unproven and has no scientific evidence of working. RichardDawkins is just a naive and desperate person who thinks he knows more than anyone else on these forums when in fact he is probably just some sad lonely guy who gets off on being a forum celebrity and pain in the ass. Gho created a marketing gimmick and idiots like Dawkins are making him rich.

[RichardDawkins]

Is not proven? Well i dont wanna sound rude but right now you called a lot of researchers Liars and also surgeons.

Have you read the first post in this thread? Have you take a look at the picture or did you just decide

"Ohhh i am posting something just because i feel bored"

Ok btw guys like you and your gnorance are the prime example why dictarships, wars and other bad stuff still can happen in the year 2011

[mlao]

So who from this thread emailed Dr. Rassmann?
http://www.baldingblog.com/

[NeedHairASAP]

Gho has done nothing but create a buzz about a technique that is completely unproven and has no scientific evidence of working. RichardDawkins is just a naive and desperate person who thinks he knows more than anyone else on these forums when in fact he is probably just some sad lonely guy who gets off on being a forum celebrity and pain in the ass. Gho created a marketing gimmick and idiots like Dawkins are making him rich.


completely unproven? seriously?


have you looked into this at all? there are several sources other than gho that corroborate gho's theory/technique


I wouldn't say its completely proven but I'd say its closer to proven than unproven

[RichardDawkins]

Of course Rassman is not going there right now because " Man how on earth could he sell people the following statement?

Well folks i was there........yes ahem this HST well yeah according to MY MY MY Observations is working according to plan......hmmmm but we are not offering it right now because we believe ahhhhh in ahhhhh more Grafts then only 2300 at max

One week later Gho raises to 3000 Grafts

Rassman : SHIT

[NeedHairASAP]

Of course Rassman is not going there right now because " Man how on earth could he sell people the following statement?

Well folks i was there........yes ahem this HST well yeah according to MY MY MY Observations is working according to plan......hmmmm but we are not offering it right now because we believe ahhhhh in ahhhhh more Grafts then only 2300 at max

One week later Gho raises to 3000 Grafts

Rassman : SHIT



He is so funny



"No, haven't looked into HST just yet"

[blog entry directly under...]

VIDEO ON "MICRO PIGMENTATION"






hahahahaaaaa. hes too busy selling people three thousand dollar head tattos

[RichardDawkins]

I dont wanna sound rude here but i stopped laughing at Micro tattoos. Because this is actually more sad then anything.

Lets asume you are NW7 you get micro tattoos soon after you use HST or whatever to get a full head of hair.

But some more years later your hair turns white or grey. Guess what SHIT in basket i would say

[VictimOfDHT]

I'm starting to believe in Gho's procedure but I have two questions. Is the price (13000) for sure in dollars and not EU ? Would it be possible for someone to get only a few hundred grafts and pay whatever they charge per graft or is there a minimum amount -of money- they charge regardless of the # of grafts ?? If they don't have a minimum I might go for it. I think because of the extra special CURSE I have (a lot of the transplanted hair keeps falling out) this guy's method is my only hope -if it really works- since I don't have to worry about depleting my donor hair even further.

[RichardDawkins]

Its 9400 Euros for 2300 Grafts tops. But consider yourself lucky the Euro lost its value because of EU goverments tring to create a parchute to protect bancrupt states.

If people from the US wanna go to Gho, well use the current crisis in the EU its cheaper, this time only we europeans have to pay the debt, shit happens.

Sad to hear that your transplanted hairs fall out.

Right now ist 12500 Dollars for a tops of 2300 Grafts. Wow the Euro is going down the shitdrain.

Also if you wanna have a full price scale, you can tke a look here

But dont forget to include costs for flying

Scalp hair 50 (test) € 570,-
Scalp hair < 600 € 3.300,-
Scalp hair 600 - 700 € 4.400,- € 3.300,-
Scalp hair 700 - 800 € 4.900,- € 3.675,-
Scalp hair 800 - 1000 € 5.800,- € 4.350,-
Scalp hair 1000 - 1200 € 6.950,- € 5.212,-
Scalp hair 1200 - 1400 € 7.900,- € 5.925,-
Scalp hair 1400 - 1600 € 8.700,-
Scalp hair 1600 - 2300*) € 9.400,-

The second price is if you go for a learner rate which means doctors in training, its 5924 Euros for 1400 Graft tops. I dont know how much in dollar this is actually.

I dont know what went wrong with your transplants that they fell out but i think it has to do with healing :confused: here Gho COULD be a useful alternative.

I hope i could help you at least a little bit

Oh and before the usual suspects call me a shill, thats the reason why i marked the word COULD in capital letters because this patient here should first do an appointment to evaluate his hair loss and maybe he can save some of his misplaced grafts as well

[Kiwi]

Its 9400 Euros for 2300 Grafts tops. But consider yourself lucky the Euro lost its value because of EU goverments tring to create a parchute to protect bancrupt states.

If people from the US wanna go to Gho, well use the current crisis in the EU its cheaper, this time only we europeans have to pay the debt, shit happens.

Sad to hear that your transplanted hairs fall out.

Right now ist 12500 Dollars for a tops of 2300 Grafts. Wow the Euro is going down the shitdrain.

Also if you wanna have a full price scale, you can tke a look here

But dont forget to include costs for flying


Scalp hair 50 (test) € 570,-
Scalp hair < 600 € 3.300,-
Scalp hair 600 - 700 € 4.400,- € 3.300,-
Scalp hair 700 - 800 € 4.900,- € 3.675,-
Scalp hair 800 - 1000 € 5.800,- € 4.350,-
Scalp hair 1000 - 1200 € 6.950,- € 5.212,-
Scalp hair 1200 - 1400 € 7.900,- € 5.925,-
Scalp hair 1400 - 1600 € 8.700,-
Scalp hair 1600 - 2300*) € 9.400,-

The second price is if you go for a learner rate which means doctors in training, its 5924 Euros for 1400 Graft tops. I dont know how much in dollar this is actually.

I dont know what went wrong with your transplants that they fell out but i think it has to do with healing :confused: here Gho COULD be a useful alternative.

I hope i could help you at least a little bit

Oh and before the usual suspects call me a shill, thats the reason why i marked the word COULD in capital letters because this patient here should first do an appointment to evaluate his hair loss and maybe he can save some of his misplaced grafts as well

Maybe Gho could. I don't know. I want both Gho and Histogen to work just as much as the next guy but I kinda want some macro photographic proof before I spend any more money on my hair.

[RichardDawkins]

Fair enough, but i hope you understand that i would recommend this patient to get as many informations as possible especially when he is loosing transplanted hair.

MAYBE Gho can help him with those grafts to save the last remaining ones, i dont know, but one thing is for sure, if you losse your transplanted hair, you can pretty much say that the surgeon fucked things up or used hair from the wrong parts of the donor and this is something where we all should be a unity instead of attacking each other.

So my advise is to get as many infos as possible andconsider HST an option.

Of course i want Histogen to work, but they need a working basis for this, and so far dont get me wrong, even if the Berlin guy is n a pre status for artificial follicles, this will be the future, a database of hair where you can take em when you need them

[VictimOfDHT]

Its 9400 Euros for 2300 Grafts tops. But consider yourself lucky the Euro lost its value because of EU goverments tring to create a parchute to protect bancrupt states.

If people from the US wanna go to Gho, well use the current crisis in the EU its cheaper, this time only we europeans have to pay the debt, shit happens.

Sad to hear that your transplanted hairs fall out.

Right now ist 12500 Dollars for a tops of 2300 Grafts. Wow the Euro is going down the shitdrain.

Also if you wanna have a full price scale, you can tke a look here

But dont forget to include costs for flying

Scalp hair 50 (test) € 570,-
Scalp hair < 600 € 3.300,-
Scalp hair 600 - 700 € 4.400,- € 3.300,-
Scalp hair 700 - 800 € 4.900,- € 3.675,-
Scalp hair 800 - 1000 € 5.800,- € 4.350,-
Scalp hair 1000 - 1200 € 6.950,- € 5.212,-
Scalp hair 1200 - 1400 € 7.900,- € 5.925,-
Scalp hair 1400 - 1600 € 8.700,-
Scalp hair 1600 - 2300*) € 9.400,-

The second price is if you go for a learner rate which means doctors in training, its 5924 Euros for 1400 Graft tops. I dont know how much in dollar this is actually.

I dont know what went wrong with your transplants that they fell out but i think it has to do with healing :confused: here Gho COULD be a useful alternative.

I hope i could help you at least a little bit

Oh and before the usual suspects call me a shill, thats the reason why i marked the word COULD in capital letters because this patient here should first do an appointment to evaluate his hair loss and maybe he can save some of his misplaced grafts as well

Thanks for the reply, Richard. No, my problem isn't due to a doctor's shitty work. My problem is a special curse from God that he chooses to "bless" some people with to make them even more miserable. It turns out there is a small minority of HT patients who end up losing their transplanted hairs for some reason and even HT doctors don't know why. They say they're rejected by the body. I don't think that's the case because my transplanted hair seems to last a random number of years (1-5) then starts falling out. I'm thinking if it's the body rejecting it then it should fall out right away. So yeah, thank god for this special curse that has cost me 5 fucking transplants (more than 4000 grafts over the past decade at a cost of more than $20,000 and it's all in the hairline and temples. I'm not going to name my last doctor again (so far been thru 4 doctors) but he's well known around the world and like I said he did do a good job but the hair started falling out again. Now, I'm losing more hair AGAIN in the same area and it's pissing me off more than anything but I'm not gonna let get worse without trying again. So I'm thinking about another small transplant ( a few 100 grafts) but since I know I'll most likely lose those too after a year or god knows when, I was thinking maybe Gho is the way since we can use the same donor area for at least a couple of times -assuming that hair will regenerate again- but I don't know. I don't even know if any doctor would do any more HTs for me knowing that I have this shitty condition but I'm not going to lose my hair sitting down.

So, what's this test they do at Gho's ? I see it's 570 Euros.

No body knows how painful and depressing this is. I don't drink or do drugs but I can't take the pain any more and I'm thinking about doing drugs or at least pot now. This is too much to take.

[Tinnitus]

i went to gho 2 months ago for a hair transplant. 1700 grafts

ive been keeping it short - 1-2mm

i think 90 percent of the hair kept growing. the hairs were a bit thinner after 2-3rd week, but now r becoming thicker again.

i also had very little redness on the received area. - only with exertion or when i was under the sun, it would get a bit redder temporarily.


- tinnitus

[Follicle Death Row]

i went to gho 2 months ago for a hair transplant. 1700 grafts

ive been keeping it short - 1-2mm

i think 90 percent of the hair kept growing. the hairs were a bit thinner after 2-3rd week, but now r becoming thicker again.

i also had very little redness on the received area. - only with exertion or when i was under the sun, it would get a bit redder temporarily.


- tinnitus

Any chance of some pics? How's the donor coming along?

[Tinnitus]

Any chance of some pics? How's the donor coming along?

i need to get a camera with macro function. i am curious to see how my donor looks myself. i did see hair grow out the little red holes shortly after i had it done, but i dont know if thats because gho cuts his grafts during taking them out due to his small extraction needle or if its regrowth.

[RichardDawkins]

Tinnitus, nice to hear your side of the story, but even as a Gho supporter myself i have to ask you for fotos. Also because i am sick of people calling me a shill

[clandestine]

Dawkins, no one really cares about your over sensationalized posts anymore. Sorry, but that's the truth. Brutal as it may be. Perhaps stop picking fights with randoms on the forum and you might gain a little more credibility. Contribute some constructive posts, etc.

Tinnitus, thanks for the share! Excited to see how your donor develops, perhaps see if you can get some macro photography of any kind. Borrowing a higher quality cam from a friend, or maybe some other way. Anyway, thanks for posting.

[RichardDawkins]

Why are you starting a new fight? We were all just cooled down already. pffffff

[Kiwi]

Thanks for the reply, Richard. No, my problem isn't due to a doctor's shitty work. My problem is a special curse from God that he chooses to "bless" some people with to make them even more miserable. It turns out there is a small minority of HT patients who end up losing their transplanted hairs for some reason and even HT doctors don't know why. They say they're rejected by the body. I don't think that's the case because my transplanted hair seems to last a random number of years (1-5) then starts falling out. I'm thinking if it's the body rejecting it then it should fall out right away. So yeah, thank god for this special curse that has cost me 5 fucking transplants (more than 4000 grafts over the past decade at a cost of more than $20,000 and it's all in the hairline and temples. I'm not going to name my last doctor again (so far been thru 4 doctors) but he's well known around the world and like I said he did do a good job but the hair started falling out again. Now, I'm losing more hair AGAIN in the same area and it's pissing me off more than anything but I'm not gonna let get worse without trying again. So I'm thinking about another small transplant ( a few 100 grafts) but since I know I'll most likely lose those too after a year or god knows when, I was thinking maybe Gho is the way since we can use the same donor area for at least a couple of times -assuming that hair will regenerate again- but I don't know. I don't even know if any doctor would do any more HTs for me knowing that I have this shitty condition but I'm not going to lose my hair sitting down.

So, what's this test they do at Gho's ? I see it's 570 Euros.

No body knows how painful and depressing this is. I don't drink or do drugs but I can't take the pain any more and I'm thinking about doing drugs or at least pot now. This is too much to take.

Shit dude I'm sorry to hear about that. I think you should ask Gho for an online consultation - that couldn't reall hurt.

Do you know what the condition is called or have you met anybody else who has experienced this?

[RichardDawkins]

I agree, maybe its really connected to healing or something and maybe he can help. Its really sad to hear this because those are wasted Grafts :confused:

[VictimOfDHT]

Thanks, Kiwi and Richard. Apparently, this problem (transplanted hair falling out) exists although I was told it's rare. I myself didn't know about it until a year after my last HT when the doctor told me I had it -since I was experiencing considerable loss in density, yet again. Doing a search online I found at least a handful of similar cases of men whose transplanted hair started falling out sometime down the road. I even posted a question a few months back on dr. Rassman's site -you can find my question there- and he acknowledged such a problem did exist but even he couldn't tell me what causes the hair to fall out. I know for sure I do not have "diffused thinning", as the back and sides of my head are thick, and the loss is rapid and starts all of a sudden after a certain time and its NOT gradual.
He also said something about Telogen Effluvium but I don't know if that's what I have. This (TE) could've been the condition my last doctor mentioned but I can't remember.

Yeah, more than 4000 grafts and more than $20,000 are wasted but most importantly more than 13 years of my life are wasted too -because of this curse- and worse of all is the possibility that the rest of my life is going to be wasted now if there is nothing I can do to fix this. My battle with hair loss has completely ruined my life. I could never face life with my hair thinning and the fear of hair loss had had a complete grip on me way before it even started. How the hell am I gonna do if I lose it ???

I'm really scared that dr. Gho -if I decide to go with him- might refuse to take me as a patient. If that happens it would be better for me to just go dig my grave and lay in it and just wait to die. No way I can go on in life if I lose my hair.

BTW, how can I find dr. Gho's site ? I've seen it before but I can't find it now.

[RichardDawkins]

hasci.com

i say make an appointment this whole thing just sounds sad :(

[VictimOfDHT]

Thanks, Richard. I think I'll do an online consultation or send them an email but I don't know what I'd do if he says he won't be able to help.

[CVAZBAR]

Thanks, Richard. I think I'll do an online consultation or send them an email but I don't know what I'd do if he says he won't be able to help.

What you're going to do is RELAX. Of course you can live your life without hair but it won't matter anywAys because there's many good things coming in the future. For now, you should try and find out more about your problem. There has to be a reason why. Talk to your personal doc as well, not just HT surgeons. It's hard to believe that none of those motherfuckers know anything about your problem. Keep grinding and search for answers. The future looks bright. Don't panic brother.

[Kiwi]

I agree with CVASBAR.

My thoughts are with you bro, I feel for you at a really deep level, man I would really encourage you to try and figure out what is happening and then share it with the world so you might be able to help others.

CVASBAR is right... worst case scenario is that we have a #4 cut and look older. It's not worth dying over.

[ALLISWELL]

VictimOfDHT, Dont panic Gho will help you for sure, my wishes are also with you hope you get treated and get you full head of hair back.

[elvispresley]

some questions for the experts:

1)is there a patient (or more) who have done the HSI transplant more than one time? (re-using the same donor)
2) when did they do the first HSI transplant?
3) is possible to create a zone on the forum with the IMAGES (pre and after) of GHO tecnique, in this way also the beginners about the hairworld could easily understand, avoiding to search the net especially if the are not english mother tongue.


thx a lot ;)

[VictimOfDHT]

Cvazbar, Kiwi, Alliswell, thank you all for your support and the nice words. I really appreciate it.

I'm dying to find out what's causing this. For a couple of months I thought maybe it was seasonal shedding but now that the thinning is getting worse and the fact that it's been more than 7 months since the last shed started I know it isn't seasonal shedding. I don't know who to turn to. My last HT doctor told me there was nothing I could do and I honestly doubt seeing a doctor or dermatologist about this would do any good. I've been posting here and on another site for the past few months hoping for an answer but nothing so far.

I hope you guys are right about new treatments coming out -hopefully in the not so distant future- because I can't take this hell any more.

Gho sounds like a good option but the expense and the possibility that I might end up losing my transplants again is making me a bit too nervous and honestly after so many HTs I feel a bit burned out, but like I said, I'd never accept baldness and I'll keep fighting this curse until I die. I'm just hoping I don't lose any more hair for at least a few more months to see if we hear anything from this company or that but if I lose more hair -and it looks like I will- I'm buying my ticket to Holland with no hesitation.

Thanks again, guys.

[Follicle Death Row]

If Gho's procedure is what he says it is it may well be a good option for you at this point in time VictimOfDHT. There will absolutely 100% be a cell based solution that changes this forever. The question is just when. It could be as little as 4 years off. Of course that might be a little on the optimistic side but some of the guys that are saying closer to 15 than 5 years seem pessimistic to me. I think 6 years sounds very possible for the likes of Replicel. I think Aderans will go to market with something anway. They're deep in phase 2 and just got a $100million investment so you've got to think they've got something.

Even if that something could only keep your hair then perhaps Gho could take care of the other half of the equation.

[RichardDawkins]

Yes i agree before you blow another load of dollars with traditional transplants and then get fucked in the as when cell based solutions come and you have no useful donor would be insane.

Also i think that maybe Gho can help you OR you could be in his study because you are a case where traditional stuff just didnt work out

[krewel]

Yes i agree before you blow another load of dollars with traditional transplants and then get fucked in the as when cell based solutions come and you have no useful donor would be insane.


Why do you have to use words like that? So UNDER class

[VictimOfDHT]

If Gho's procedure is what he says it is it may well be a good option for you at this point in time VictimOfDHT. There will absolutely 100% be a cell based solution that changes this forever. The question is just when. It could be as little as 4 years off. Of course that might be a little on the optimistic side but some of the guys that are saying closer to 15 than 5 years seem pessimistic to me. I think 6 years sounds very possible for the likes of Replicel. I think Aderans will go to market with something anway. They're deep in phase 2 and just got a $100million investment so you've got to think they've got something.

Even if that something could only keep your hair then perhaps Gho could take care of the other half of the equation.

The thing is in six years I might be completely bald. I've never lost hair at the speed I am now. It only took a couple of months to lose a whole bunch of my transplanted hair and go from almost a normal hairline to at least Norwood 2 or even early N3 and it doesn't look like it's stopping as I can see the right temple has lost even more hair over the past couple of months. I just can't imagine myself bald. I'd lose my mind. I couldn't bear thinning in my hairline and temples and that's why I had all those HTs as I wanted to be proactive in my fight against this curse. No way in hell I was going to wait to see bare skin (scalp) on top of my head. I really couldn't afford to spend 20 some thousand dollars but it wasn't really a choice. So now I don't know what I'd do if the loss doesn't stop. I'd probably become the biggest drug user there is. A couple of years ago I was prepared to accept the possibility that I had MS but I'd NEVER EVER in a million years accept baldness and I know there is no way in hell I'd be able to deal with it. It is just too scary for me to think about it for a second.

I'm willing to try anything at this moment. I'm still in shock from this but I'm gonna have to do something about it. Maybe contact several doctors -including Gho. I'd be willing to participate in any experimental stuff, cancer or no cancer as I see no point in living if life is nothing but suffering. I really hope Gho is the answer even if it's a temporary one.

[RichardDawkins]

Ahm you should actually do this as fast as you can and dont worry we dont want to see donor pictures etc, all we wanna hear is

" Damn finally my hair stays there where it should"

Also you are nowhere near to be a NW6 guy and take a look at what Gho created on this Den Saunders guy who is a very bad case of NW6 with a complety shiny forehead without any hairs left.

Alo if you start early, you have the chance to get to your hair loss long before you go completely bald.

I estimate that a normal NW6 guy would nee 6 HST sessions with each time 1700 or more Grafts. With each time 1700 Grafts this would sum up to 10.200 Grafts which is more then enough to get you a very good NW2 good density coverage without comb over.

Someone here said 9000 Grafts is he magic number for a full blown NW6, so i think you are good for it.

Btw sad to her your MS story :(

[NeedHairASAP]

The thing is in six years I might be completely bald. I've never lost hair at the speed I am now. It only took a couple of months to lose a whole bunch of my transplanted hair and go from almost a normal hairline to at least Norwood 2 or even early N3 and it doesn't look like it's stopping as I can see the right temple has lost even more hair over the past couple of months. I just can't imagine myself bald. I'd lose my mind. I couldn't bear thinning in my hairline and temples and that's why I had all those HTs as I wanted to be proactive in my fight against this curse. No way in hell I was going to wait to see bare skin (scalp) on top of my head. I really couldn't afford to spend 20 some thousand dollars but it wasn't really a choice. So now I don't know what I'd do if the loss doesn't stop. I'd probably become the biggest drug user there is. A couple of years ago I was prepared to accept the possibility that I had MS but I'd NEVER EVER in a million years accept baldness and I know there is no way in hell I'd be able to deal with it. It is just too scary for me to think about it for a second.

I'm willing to try anything at this moment. I'm still in shock from this but I'm gonna have to do something about it. Maybe contact several doctors -including Gho. I'd be willing to participate in any experimental stuff, cancer or no cancer as I see no point in living if life is nothing but suffering. I really hope Gho is the answer even if it's a temporary one.



I know this probably offers zero relief, but at least you didnt lose a bunch of hair and then have the grafts out in the open looking all weird



I'm in between emailing Gho's clinic trying to figure out how many procedures they think I could have. They seem to use a lot of automated/prefabricated email phrases as I've gotten similar responses again and again.

I'm having trouble getting an answer about if they do transplants to the temple region. I think a hair transplant without taking the temples into consideration leads to crap results.

I have/will have severe hair loss so it may be hard for them to guess my maximum procedures. Hopefully they'll give some indication/info about maximum procedures.

[Follicle Death Row]

The thing is in six years I might be completely bald. I've never lost hair at the speed I am now. It only took a couple of months to lose a whole bunch of my transplanted hair and go from almost a normal hairline to at least Norwood 2 or even early N3 and it doesn't look like it's stopping as I can see the right temple has lost even more hair over the past couple of months. I just can't imagine myself bald. I'd lose my mind. I couldn't bear thinning in my hairline and temples and that's why I had all those HTs as I wanted to be proactive in my fight against this curse. No way in hell I was going to wait to see bare skin (scalp) on top of my head. I really couldn't afford to spend 20 some thousand dollars but it wasn't really a choice. So now I don't know what I'd do if the loss doesn't stop. I'd probably become the biggest drug user there is. A couple of years ago I was prepared to accept the possibility that I had MS but I'd NEVER EVER in a million years accept baldness and I know there is no way in hell I'd be able to deal with it. It is just too scary for me to think about it for a second.

I'm willing to try anything at this moment. I'm still in shock from this but I'm gonna have to do something about it. Maybe contact several doctors -including Gho. I'd be willing to participate in any experimental stuff, cancer or no cancer as I see no point in living if life is nothing but suffering. I really hope Gho is the answer even if it's a temporary one.

I know 6 years is a long time so Gho may well be a good option now to tide you over. Something to consider anyway. The standard session size sounds like it could help shore up the hairline and frontal third in general. Give it some thought and look into it.

[VictimOfDHT]

Thanks again, guys. I really needed someone to give me some kind of hope that I still have another option and I really hope Gho is that option. But the fact that I keep losing my transplanted hair is scaring me. I mean what if I get another HT then lose all or most of the hair again ? If the donor site does regenerate (hair) then at least I won't have to worry about depleting my donor hair -for a while- but I still would be depleting my savings. I barely make enough and it would kill me to lose more money for nothing. I only wish there were a way to know if any new transplanted hair would be lost or not. I just cant afford to lose even 50 hairs for nothing.

Needhairasap, that's discouraging if they didn't reply to your email . How are people supposed to contact them ? People aren't gonna call in from all over the world to ask questions.
Anyway, I don't see why they wouldn't do the temple and hairline area.

Richard, I don't have MS but two years ago some stupid so-called "specialist" told me I had it, however MRI scans came back negative. But I just wanted to say that I was prepared to accept having MS but no way in hell I would accept going bald. As terrible as MS is, I still think baldness would mess up my life more.

[RichardDawkins]

Of course nobody can say if those hairs will sustain ovr time, but dont get me wrong, i have a gut feeling that tells me that with HST it sholdnt be a problem to let your hairs survive for until you die.

So i mean you had FUE done, FUT is not an option for obvious reasons, all you can do now is doing HST at this point in time.

As you say, worst case scenario you lose those transplanted hairs but the donor recharges so you didnt lose nything at all ecept money of course.

When those hairs survive, you actually got a win win situation except the money :-)

Well the reason why i think that this will work is simple, i saw some really really sad burning victims with severe third grade degree burns on their face and head. And Gho managed to get hairs to grow there in extensive burned dead scar tissue.

[Flowers]

Thanks again, guys. I really needed someone to give me some kind of hope that I still have another option and I really hope Gho is that option. But the fact that I keep losing my transplanted hair is scaring me. I mean what if I get another HT then lose all or most of the hair again ? If the donor site does regenerate (hair) then at least I won't have to worry about depleting my donor hair -for a while- but I still would be depleting my savings. I barely make enough and it would kill me to lose more money for nothing. I only wish there were a way to know if any new transplanted hair would be lost or not. I just cant afford to lose even 50 hairs for nothing.

Needhairasap, that's discouraging if they didn't reply to your email . How are people supposed to contact them ? People aren't gonna call in from all over the world to ask questions.
Anyway, I don't see why they wouldn't do the temple and hairline area.

Richard, I don't have MS but two years ago some stupid so-called "specialist" told me I had it, however MRI scans came back negative. But I just wanted to say that I was prepared to accept having MS but no way in hell I would accept going bald. As terrible as MS is, I still think baldness would mess up my life more.

Hey maybe a shot in the dark but do you ever see those NW7 guys who's nape hair has receded up the back of their neck/head? Maybe you're one of those guys and had hairs that were gonna fall out anyway transplanted. I mean yeah that would totally suck but at least if that's the case you know there arent any other serious medical concerns. Just a thought

[VictimOfDHT]

" i have a gut feeling that tells me that with HST it sholdnt be a problem to let your hairs survive for until you die." I hope that's the case, Richard. But honestly, I don't see how Gho's transplants would be any different than the other transplants I've had -except for the regeneration of hairs in the donor site- especially knowing that my last 2 HTs were done by one of the best doctors in the field here in western Canada but I'm just gonna hang on to that hope anyway. It's the only thing left for me. If those hairs last a few years or at least a couple of years until some other treatment is available, it would be worth the money.



Flowers, that kind of baldness (N7) doesn't run in my family. The other thing, those transplanted hairs don't fall out gradually like native ones would. Like I said in previous posts, those hairs grow just fine for a random number of years then most of them start falling out all of a sudden and usually within a short period of time (2-3 months) and they dont look like they're thinning at the tip. They look 100% thick and healthy.

[CVAZBAR]

" i have a gut feeling that tells me that with HST it sholdnt be a problem to let your hairs survive for until you die." I hope that's the case, Richard. But honestly, I don't see how Gho's transplants would be any different than the other transplants I've had -except for the regeneration of hairs in the donor site- especially knowing that my last 2 HTs were done by one of the best doctors in the field here in western Canada but I'm just gonna hang on to that hope anyway. It's the only thing left for me. If those hairs last a few years or at least a couple of years until some other treatment is available, it would be worth the money.

Flowers, that kind of baldness (N7) doesn't run in my family. The other thing, those transplanted hairs don't fall out gradually like native ones would. Like I said in previous posts, those hairs grow just fine for a random number of years then most of them start falling out all of a sudden and usually within a short period of time (2-3 months) and they dont look like they're thinning at the tip. They look 100% thick and healthy.

So your hair is cool for a couple of years and then it's starts shedding? Maybe they grow back? Are you still on finasteride? If your hair sticks for several years, than it's probably something you can fix.

[VictimOfDHT]

So your hair is cool for a couple of years and then it's starts shedding? Maybe they grow back? Are you still on finasteride? If your hair sticks for several years, than it's probably something you can fix.

I had my fourth HT ( around 1700 grafts) in 2004 and all was well until around May 2009 and that's when I had a sudden rapid shed that left my hairline thinner especially the right temple. Went back to the same doctor who decided that 800 grafts would be more than enough to fix the hairline again. Got the HT around Xmas 2009 but last Feb (just over a year after that last HT) things started going downhill again only this time it's much much worse. Massive shed and now I'm a whole lot thinner. Read something here about "seasonal shedding" and it kinda gave me hope maybe that's what it was and decided to wait it out. Well, it's been 8 months now and NO hair growing back and actually have lost even more hair. So, no doubt in my mind this isn't seasonal shedding. This is a permanent loss or I would've got the hair from the previous HTs back. This is like a mystery. Even those who end up losing their transplanted hair tend to lose it gradually over time. My loss happens so quickly (usually within 2 months) and like I said it happens at random (in as short as 1 year after the HT or as long as 5).

Yes I'm still using Fin and Minox.


Richard, actually all my HTs were FUTs not FUEs. That's why I was considering FUE this time for obvious reasons but I keep hearing the survival rate of the follicles is not good.

[CVAZBAR]

I had my fourth HT ( around 1700 grafts) in 2004 and all was well until around May 2009 and that's when I had a sudden rapid shed that left my hairline thinner especially the right temple. Went back to the same doctor who decided that 800 grafts would be more than enough to fix the hairline again. Got the HT around Xmas 2009 but last Feb (just over a year after that last HT) things started going downhill again only this time it's much much worse. Massive shed and now I'm a whole lot thinner. Read something here about "seasonal shedding" and it kinda gave me hope maybe that's what it was and decided to wait it out. Well, it's been 8 months now and NO hair growing back and actually have lost even more hair. So, no doubt in my mind this isn't seasonal shedding. This is a permanent loss or I would've got the hair from the previous HTs back. This is like a mystery. Even those who end up losing their transplanted hair tend to lose it gradually over time. My loss happens so quickly (usually within 2 months) and like I said it happens
at random (in as short as 1 year after the HT or as long as 5).

Yes I'm still using Fin and Minox.


Richard, actually all my HTs were FUTs not FUEs. That's why I was considering FUE this time for obvious reasons but I keep hearing the survival rate of the follicles is not good.

So you don't think it has nothing to do with your DHT blocker? How have you responded to Fin? Did you use fin before any HT? Did it halt your native hair?

[NeedHairASAP]

I'm having trouble getting questions answered by hasci. I think it may be the language barrier but it comes across as evasive.


in other news... Gho treats another famous patient and updated his website with the pictures....



Gert-Jan Theunisse




maybe they wont answer my questions because I'm not famous?

[VictimOfDHT]

Cvazbar, I've been on Fin (first Propecia then switched to Proscar) since it '99. I was also on Dut for about 15 months but didn't see any difference so switched back to Fin since about 4 months ago. I can't say for sure if it's working or not because I'm using Minox too. Maybe it's slowed down the loss because my hair has been getting thinner and thinner over the years. So, obviously it's hasn't completely stopped the progress of hair loss. I feel Minox is doing a better job though. Every time I stop Minox I notice more shedding and once I get back on it the shed stops. All I know is that transplanted hair should not be affected by DHT but it looks like other factors can cause it to fall out in a small minority of people. The doctor says it's rejected by the body. The thing is if it's rejected then why the hell isn't it rejected right away ? Why does it last for years sometimes ?? This is really pissing me off.

[CVAZBAR]

Cvazbar, I've been on Fin (first Propecia then switched to Proscar) since it '99. I was also on Dut for about 15 months but didn't see any difference so switched back to Fin since about 4 months ago. I can't say for sure if it's working or not because I'm using Minox too. Maybe it's slowed down the loss because my hair has been getting thinner and thinner over the years. So, obviously it's hasn't completely stopped the progress of hair loss. I feel Minox is doing a better job though. Every time I stop Minox I notice more shedding and once I get back on it the shed stops. All I know is that transplanted hair should not be affected by DHT but it looks like other factors can cause it to fall out in a small minority of people. The doctor says it's rejected by the body. The thing is if it's rejected then why the hell isn't it rejected right away ? Why does it last for years sometimes ?? This is really pissing me off.

I was thinking that maybe Fin was not helping you, therefore making your hair shed normally. The idiot doctor is probably just saying that because he doesn't have the answer. It is strange that you get to keep hair for several years. Well with future treatments you would be able to repeat procedures as much as you need. You would need some dough though. You should try Gho.

[BoSox]

If I were to contact Gho, would I even get a response? I have a few questions about his procedure, and I want to speak with one of his staff or anybody who could awnser them.

Also, whats his main website? I can't seem to find anything on google.

[VictimOfDHT]

Cvazbar, the doctor was definitely stumped by my problem. He's one of the best doctors like I said and it is a fact that a small minority of people lose their transplanted hair OVER TIME but it was obvious that the way I keep losing my hair was unusual - meaning it just happens quickly when it happens.

Yeah, Gho seems to be the only hope for me -assuming that he does in fact able to do some kind of HM.


Bosox, it's hasci.

[BoSox]

I really wish they'd show the final results on those videos.. They went from bald to balding.. that's not exactly a fix to me :/

[VictimOfDHT]

Hey, balding is BETTER than bald. People usually don't call someone who's balding "bald". He might be balding but NOT bald yet, unless he's down to 25% of his hair.

[NeedHairASAP]

back on topic....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcBWYCWm1xs


not an nw1... maybe hes a bad nw3 now.. well see what the next couple visits to gho bring



also another famous, very bald, athlete just visited gho

[RichardDawkins]

Well if you consider the regulare NW scale then yes its NW3 BUT every balding person is individual and given the head its a NW 1,5 or worst NW2 in his individual case and head form.

Also dont forget if he got the main thing fixed with HST he can use his remaining 4000 Grafts or so via FUE to lower his hair line or whatever he wants.

Facts are, he was smart, he used the minimal invasive and donor recharging technique first so that even after multiple runs he has all options available, a normal balding person has from the start before doing traditional transplants.

I dont go after he traditional NW scale in terms of restoration because every head looks different.

And this guy seems to had this as his normal hair line in the first place

[VictimOfDHT]

So this guy was bald in the front and the hair we see now is all transplanted ? Well, if it is then it looks good.

Yeah, I think Gho is in my future. I just wish the procedure was a little cheaper.


Just saw Wayne Rooney on tv and man his hair already looks good. He looks 10 years younger now. I know he had his HT in the UK but just saying. Fuck baldness. If I could I'd get an HT every year. Being bald is SHIT.

[NeedHairASAP]

back on topic....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcBWYCWm1xs


not an nw1... maybe hes a bad nw3 now.. well see what the next couple visits to gho bring



also another famous, very bald, athlete just visited gho



I think another 1600 up front and along the temples and he'll be in much better shape.... then I'd get at least another 1600 (more like 3200) put sparsely on the crown... and go for a zidane balding pattern look...like so..

hopefully gho can pull 6400 out of saunders's donor

http://www.football-pictures.net/r-luis-figo-257-luis-figo-vs-zidane-2779.htm





@stevieD - I'm not sure that you can adjust the nw scale to whatever you like... he is an nw3 at best... if he grew that out and had only that small patch on the top and a bald crown we'd probably conclude he is a bad nw5

but if he gets another 1600 on the front and the temples... and then fills in the back with about 3200.... now were talking



its all about framing the face.... which is why temples are important... although I'll agree rooney's temples didn't get touched and he doesnt look bad

[NeedHairASAP]

those of you looking for macro "proof" photography of goes technique




http://www.hasci.com/uploads/downloads/a2d32e22-c363-4e17-b345-69625dbfcc3dNTVG.Androgenetische%20Alopecia.27feb1 1.pdf



bottom of page 4





the cost for 1,600 grafts today: $11,641.91 US dollars

not losing more than 25% of harvested donor or having to succumb to a combover.......


priceless (http://www.soccermatic.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/SNEIJDER.jpg)

[VictimOfDHT]

those of you looking for macro "proof" photography of goes technique




http://www.hasci.com/uploads/downloads/a2d32e22-c363-4e17-b345-69625dbfcc3dNTVG.Androgenetische%20Alopecia.27feb1 1.pdf



bottom of page 4





the cost for 1,600 grafts today: $11,641.91 US dollars

not losing more than 25% of harvested donor or having to succumb to a combover.......


priceless (http://www.soccermatic.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/SNEIJDER.jpg)


I thought it was up to 2300 grafts for around $11,000. Fuck, I'll have to be a pimp to come up with all that money.

[jeffro5422]

I put in a consultation request to Dr. Gho's clinic yesterday. Hopefully they'll contact me soon. I still have decent density everywhere, but I'm looking to mainly work in the midscalp and crown. I've talked to Dr. Wolf, Dr. Greco, Dr. Cole, Dr. Hitzig, Dr. Cooley, and Dr. Wong. So far they're all willing to transplant in those ares but very conservatively. I'm interested to see what Dr. Gho has to say. If everything works as he says it does, it seems like I could fill in what I've lost now, and as the years go by (providing I don't go broke) battle my thinning hair a little at a time. His procedure seems great for someone in my position so we'll see what he says. If I do end up getting it done at some point, I'll definitely try my best to have some close up images taken before and after.

[VictimOfDHT]

jeffro, let us know if he replies. I want to email him about my problem but I don't want to write and not get a reply back. I emailed a couple of doctors a while back and never got a response.

[c5000]

jeffro5422

I emailed him aout a consultation yesterday and he got back to me straight away. I'm having it in London tomorrow at 2pm UK time.

Is there anything you want me to ask? You and I seem to have similar problems, I have lost most of my hair in the mid scalp and crown,

Regards
c5000

[elvispresley]

I put in a consultation request to Dr. Gho's clinic yesterday. Hopefully they'll contact me soon. I still have decent density everywhere, but I'm looking to mainly work in the midscalp and crown. I've talked to Dr. Wolf, Dr. Greco, Dr. Cole, Dr. Hitzig, Dr. Cooley, and Dr. Wong. So far they're all willing to transplant in those ares but very conservatively. I'm interested to see what Dr. Gho has to say. If everything works as he says it does, it seems like I could fill in what I've lost now, and as the years go by (providing I don't go broke) battle my thinning hair a little at a time. His procedure seems great for someone in my position so we'll see what he says. If I do end up getting it done at some point, I'll definitely try my best to have some close up images taken before and after.

thx jeffro , i think i have the same pattern , crown+midscalp, but im still to young for the transplant (24) so it will be great if u can make a report with images or video , or just the answer (about that zone ) that GHO will give to u . let us know thx a lot


jeffro5422

I emailed him aout a consultation yesterday and he got back to me straight away. I'm having it in London tomorrow at 2pm UK time.

Is there anything you want me to ask? You and I seem to have similar problems, I have lost most of my hair in the mid scalp and crown,

Regards
c5000


same for c5000, we are all on the same boat lol ahaha

anyway u can ask to GHO if there are differences in the crown zone about the regrowing or the % of working of the tecnique ( i know is very generic question lol)
and another thing is : if u need compulsory to take PROPECIA or drugs like that after the treatment or u can avoid to take them ...

as the other post if i have some other questions i will update this post....

thx a LOT GUYS.

[jeffro5422]

Hey guys. I'm glad to see that there are people in a similar situation as myself. Although I feel your pain! I'm only 28 as well. Had my first FUE at 25.

One thing I did wonder about is permanent shock loss in the recipient. Since we have some native hair there, is his technique so minimally invasive that this isn't a problem?

[c5000]

elvispresley

Yip, I'm making a note of all these questions...

Your questions are particularly relevant to me, as I'm 26, with balding to the crown and mid scalp only (with the exception of a slight recession to my hairline)...

So I really want to know if he can give me a full head of hair in one treatment of say 1600-2300 grafts.

[NeedHairASAP]

elvispresley

Yip, I'm making a note of all these questions...

Your questions are particularly relevant to me, as I'm 26, with balding to the crown and mid scalp only (with the exception of a slight recession to my hairline)...

So I really want to know if he can give me a full head of hair in one treatment of say 1600-2300 grafts.



1. I would ask how many (1700+ graft) procedures they think you can have...


and if it isn't obvious from there answer....


2. ask if once a follicle regenerates, can you harvest it again and expect it to regenerate again?


3. do they do the temple regions?




I've had trouble getting straight answers from them... but I've only been in contact with one sales women at hasci

[c5000]

Yeah, I definately want to know how many times a follice can be re-used.

And also how many times a new graft can be put into a given area, i.e. wether or not there is a limit to the number of grafts that can be placed per cm2 over any given number of procedures.

I'm hoping the answer is that they can give you as much density in the receiver area as your donor area with allow, and that its not limited by the amount of scar tissue in the receptor area.


Regards
c5000

[RichardDawkins]

Yop i am really looking forward to your answers. And also ask them one thing

1) Why are they always so overcareful when science backs their claims up and also other docs admit this approach to be valid. :-)

The question for the maximum density would be really nice to hear and also how many times they can harvest in general and how many times they can harvest a certain follicle

[greatjob!]

[QUOTE=NeedHairASAP;40843]I'm having trouble getting questions answered by hasci. I think it may be the language barrier but it comes across as evasive.
QUOTE]
Every e-mail I sent to hasci was responed promtly by: Marleen Verreussel

Her e-mail is: verreussel@hasci.com

[elvispresley]

I put in a consultation request to Dr. Gho's clinic yesterday. Hopefully they'll contact me soon. I still have decent density everywhere, but I'm looking to mainly work in the midscalp and crown. I've talked to Dr. Wolf, Dr. Greco, Dr. Cole, Dr. Hitzig, Dr. Cooley, and Dr. Wong. So far they're all willing to transplant in those ares but very conservatively. I'm interested to see what Dr. Gho has to say. If everything works as he says it does, it seems like I could fill in what I've lost now, and as the years go by (providing I don't go broke) battle my thinning hair a little at a time. His procedure seems great for someone in my position so we'll see what he says. If I do end up getting it done at some point, I'll definitely try my best to have some close up images taken before and after.

hi jeffro , having ur same baldness problem , can i know what the doctors with u talked said about ur zone (miscalp+crown) , WHY THEY ARE VERY CONSERVATIVE??? WHAT EXACTLT DID THEY SAY TO U ?

let us know , i sended also my friend request :)
thx a lot

[NeedHairASAP]

[QUOTE=NeedHairASAP;40843]I'm having trouble getting questions answered by hasci. I think it may be the language barrier but it comes across as evasive.
QUOTE]
Every e-mail I sent to hasci was responed promtly by: Marleen Verreussel

Her e-mail is: verreussel@hasci.com


this is who I've been speaking to. She either doesn't speak great english or is deliberately avoiding all my questions. She always sends the same prefabricated phrase "....we don't go for the densest look but the most natural..."


she emailed me back quickly answering only one of my questions... which was when an appointment would be available. I emailed her back saying I had some questions before I commit and I havnt heard back since.


its possible she is just annoyed with me or doesn't think I'm going to turn into an actual sale... I dont know

[mlao]

[QUOTE=greatjob!;41100]


this is who I've been speaking to. She either doesn't speak great english or is deliberately avoiding all my questions. She always sends the same prefabricated phrase "....we don't go for the densest look but the most natural..."


she emailed me back quickly answering only one of my questions... which was when an appointment would be available. I emailed her back saying I had some questions before I commit and I havnt heard back since.


its possible she is just annoyed with me or doesn't think I'm going to turn into an actual sale... I dont know

NHASAP if it is not too intrusive what questions are you specifically asking her?

[NeedHairASAP]

[QUOTE=NeedHairASAP;41121]

NHASAP if it is not too intrusive what questions are you specifically asking her?

-how many procedures can I expect to get (ballpark estimate, they only have my pictures)

- do they do temple work?


I think thats about it....

[elvispresley]

[QUOTE=greatjob!;41100]


this is who I've been speaking to. She either doesn't speak great english or is deliberately avoiding all my questions. She always sends the same prefabricated phrase "....we don't go for the densest look but the most natural..."


she emailed me back quickly answering only one of my questions... which was when an appointment would be available. I emailed her back saying I had some questions before I commit and I havnt heard back since.


its possible she is just annoyed with me or doesn't think I'm going to turn into an actual sale... I dont know


for this is important TO ANSWER to all the questions from the "CUSTOMERS" once for all AND PUBLISH THEM ONLINE on the website!!!

INFORMATION.

otherwise things are not clear and people will ask again.

[NeedHairASAP]

[QUOTE=NeedHairASAP;41121]


for this is important TO ANSWER to all the questions from the "CUSTOMERS" once for all AND PUBLISH THEM ONLINE on the website!!!

INFORMATION.

otherwise things are not clear and people will ask again.


I agree. I've emailed her a few times over the last 6 months and can never seem to get all my questions answered. I believe she did confirm to me months ago that the same follicle that was harvested and regenerated could be harvested again. Aside from that she has ignored me haha.

this is another reason, aside from the time off I need to make it over to europe from the US, that has delayed my booking.

[jeffro5422]

Hey guys. Sure, I don't mind saying what the docs recommended in my case. I have yet to hear from Dr. Gho's office so we'll see if they contact me.

Just to summarize, I was never completely bald or even close. Just a diffuse thinning pattern. My approach was to do something about it early, but be conservative so that I could deal with my hair loss as it progressed. That seems to be the opposite of what the industry likes to do though. In general it seems that most would have you wait until you're 40 or so, your loss has slowed, and then fill in your bald areas. My philosophy was why be unhappy for 20 more years when you don't even know what will happen in that time.

I had my first procedure with Dr. Wolf 3 years ago, and I researched for many years before that. 1,300 FUE into the front third of my scalp. Its not an amazingly thick transplant, but it looks good (especially from the front) and it kept me from being bald, which I am very thankful for. I also utilize Rogaine consistently. I was on Propecia but had to stop due to side effects. I'm starting to get pretty thin, mainly in the crown and to an extent the midscalp. Here are what the docs have said:

Dr. Greco - I approached him a couple years ago about PRP. He basically said it was worth a shot, but didn't seem very enthusiastic.

Dr. Hitzig - He initially recommended Acell+PRP injections, and I almost went through with them. I decided to hold off until the September conference to see if anything would be revealed, but unfortunately it doesn't look like much great news came out of that. He said that I would do "very well" with a transplant and the injections, and that I'm a good candidate for them.

Dr. Cooley, Dr. Cole, Dr. Wong - They all had similar ideas so I've grouped them together. Dr. Cole favored his modified FUE procedure while the other two recommended tradition FUT surgeries. They all suggested around 2,000 grafts to address the midscalp and crown. Dr. Wong also went on to say that with around 4,000 he could get the front 1/3 thickened even more as well.

They all were of the mindset to be cautious when transplanting into the crown at such an early age, which I completely understand. Being young, my loss will most likely get worse and I don't want to deplete all of my donor hair. That's why Dr. Gho's technique is so appealing. Especially if it performs better when transplanted close to native hair as opposed to a completely bald scalp. My idea is to maintain my front 1/3, get the midscalp to an equal density, and fill in the crown as much as possible. If the front and midscalp looked good I could live with a slightly thinner crown. Dr. Wong seemed to be the most positive about being able to achieve my goal. Dr. Cooley a close second. That's not to say that any of the docs are bad. I think they're all some of the best in the business. They all also recommended Propecia and suggested that I cut the dosage to 1 pill every other day to see if it would alleviate my side effects. I haven't tried that yet.

Sorry this post is getting long and I didn't mean to hijack the thread but hopefully my experience and knowledge search will help some people in a similar situation.

To be honest I would have went through with a procedure with Dr. Wong already if I didn't feel that we were close to having a new breakthrough in the field. I hate to have an ear to ear scar then find out a few months later that Dr. Gho's procedure is for real, ACell has been perfected, or one of the HM companies is about to hit the market with a successful product.

[elvispresley]

Hey guys. Sure, I don't mind saying what the docs recommended in my case. I have yet to hear from Dr. Gho's office so we'll see if they contact me.

Just to summarize, I was never completely bald or even close. Just a diffuse thinning pattern. My approach was to do something about it early, but be conservative so that I could deal with my hair loss as it progressed. That seems to be the opposite of what the industry likes to do though. In general it seems that most would have you wait until you're 40 or so, your loss has slowed, and then fill in your bald areas. My philosophy was why be unhappy for 20 more years when you don't even know what will happen in that time.

I had my first procedure with Dr. Wolf 3 years ago, and I researched for many years before that. 1,300 FUE into the front third of my scalp. Its not an amazingly thick transplant, but it looks good (especially from the front) and it kept me from being bald, which I am very thankful for. I also utilize Rogaine consistently. I was on Propecia but had to stop due to side effects. I'm starting to get pretty thin, mainly in the crown and to an extent the midscalp. Here are what the docs have said:

Dr. Greco - I approached him a couple years ago about PRP. He basically said it was worth a shot, but didn't seem very enthusiastic.

Dr. Hitzig - He initially recommended Acell+PRP injections, and I almost went through with them. I decided to hold off until the September conference to see if anything would be revealed, but unfortunately it doesn't look like much great news came out of that. He said that I would do "very well" with a transplant and the injections, and that I'm a good candidate for them.

Dr. Cooley, Dr. Cole, Dr. Wong - They all had similar ideas so I've grouped them together. Dr. Cole favored his modified FUE procedure while the other two recommended tradition FUT surgeries. They all suggested around 2,000 grafts to address the midscalp and crown. Dr. Wong also went on to say that with around 4,000 he could get the front 1/3 thickened even more as well.

They all were of the mindset to be cautious when transplanting into the crown at such an early age, which I completely understand. Being young, my loss will most likely get worse and I don't want to deplete all of my donor hair. That's why Dr. Gho's technique is so appealing. Especially if it performs better when transplanted close to native hair as opposed to a completely bald scalp. My idea is to maintain my front 1/3, get the midscalp to an equal density, and fill in the crown as much as possible. If the front and midscalp looked good I could live with a slightly thinner crown. Dr. Wong seemed to be the most positive about being able to achieve my goal. Dr. Cooley a close second. That's not to say that any of the docs are bad. I think they're all some of the best in the business. They all also recommended Propecia and suggested that I cut the dosage to 1 pill every other day to see if it would alleviate my side effects. I haven't tried that yet.

Sorry this post is getting long and I didn't mean to hijack the thread but hopefully my experience and knowledge search will help some people in a similar situation.

To be honest I would have went through with a procedure with Dr. Wong already if I didn't feel that we were close to having a new breakthrough in the field. I hate to have an ear to ear scar then find out a few months later that Dr. Gho's procedure is for real, ACell has been perfected, or one of the HM companies is about to hit the market with a successful product.

very nice post . i am in exactly ur same situation exept im 24 and my crown and midscalp are going away :( hairline is perfect...
so actually gho is the only solution for us in our situation i think ... but is very expensive...

anyway i added u as friend :) so we can share more info

[NeedHairASAP]

very nice post . i am in exactly ur same situation exept im 24 and my crown and midscalp are going away :( hairline is perfect...
so actually gho is the only solution for us in our situation i think ... but is very expensive...



same here but its all going including the hairline

FML


gho, please save me






Is it true that Spencer is doing a follow up interview with Gho??

[Follicle Death Row]

same here but its all going including the hairline

FML


gho, please save me






Is it true that Spencer is doing a follow up interview with Gho??

Gho our father who art in Holland hallowed be thy HST...:D Haha. Where did you hear about a follow up interview?

[NeedHairASAP]

Gho our father who art in Holland hallowed be thy HST...:D Haha. Where did you hear about a follow up interview?

There is no follow up interview?

can somebody confirm or disconfirm this? CVBAZR seems to be in contact with spencer