Gho's 'franchise' model - up and running?

[Ronin]

I know some people don't like Gho, but I think the guy's definitely onto something. The HSI clinics are in four commercially very significant hubs and they are making very bold claims - I really don't think they would dare to do that in the heart of Europe with all the health watchdogs (especially in the UK) if they could not deliver results! There's also the new HSC injection they are working on, and apparently it has been yielding great results and they are now saying that it will be offered to the public 'in the near future'.

Anyway, I also saw on their website that they are giving a 25% discount to those patients who will be used, as Spencer said in the interview, as 'guinea pigs' for new doctors to learn Gho's technique. I can only assume that this means that there has been interest from the HT medical community to pay Gho and learn his technique.

If that is the case, I must say that I am getting intrigued by this development. I was put off by HSI because they charge quite high prices, but if the technique is more widespread, then hopefully the prices will go down.

So yeah... I just wanted to see what the others think - do you reckon or know of any doctors who decided to go for Gho's method? I don't know how much good it will bring, but I sure as hell know that any change is better than a stagnant stalemate...

[RichardDawkins]

Well let me put it this way.

Assume i (RichardDawkins) have a Product called product A, this product solves one Problem.

On the other hand you have Kiwi, You and IronMan who also have a Product which is called product B. This product only can "solve" a little bit of the problem. But you three make easy money with your product and you tell everyone that Product A is useless.

So do you really think that clinics have an interest in Ghos technique? Nope sorry they simply dont have because this would mean for them to admit, that they are not the King of the Hill anymore.

This idea of yours, will only take fruition when WE the patients demand progress and if we wont let anything else slip anymore.

Signed : A Psycho

[Jundam]

As useful as always Dawkins.

I don't think anybody is actually against progress in the field of hair restoration surgery. People just have reservations about Gho because he's lied before and he hasn't proven anything yet. It's the same as with biotech solutions; It's promising, and we're all hoping it will work, but we won't celebrate until it's been proven to work.

[clandestine]

I've said it before, as have many others, and I'll say it again. The question still remains donor regrowth or no donor regrowth. High definition macro photography of donor area in patients who underwent procedure with Gho is all that's needed at this point as far as I'm concerned.

[RichardDawkins]

Jundam you are as useless as always.

Science says : Gho works

Different Surgeons say : Yes Tisue Engineering works

And where is the progress? Where is it? Tell my MISTER BIG MOUTH where is it? I cant see anything, instead i see clinics selling their FUT

What YOU THINK and how reality looks are two different things. Where are your beloved surgeons who claim to be interested in progress, when it comes to terms of "lets investigate Gho"

ell you arrogant pompous little ...... guess what they didnt even investigate in Acell. So mister Big Mouth, anything else to say then useless air?

THE WHOLE INDUSTRY IS LIEING constantly, where do you live? In Dream World?

[Ronin]

Didn't Gho publish a journal showing photographic evidence of donor regrowth though? Are you saying he might be lying / forging photos?

That's a bit of a stretch in my opinion. :rolleyes:

[Jundam]

Jundam you are as useless as always.

Science says : Gho works

Different Surgeons say : Yes Tisue Engineering works

And where is the progress? Where is it? Tell my MISTER BIG MOUTH where is it? I cant see anything, instead i see clinics selling their FUT

What YOU THINK and how reality looks are two different things. Where are your beloved surgeons who claim to be interested in progress, when it comes to terms of "lets investigate Gho"

ell you arrogant pompous little ...... guess what they didnt even investigate in Acell. So mister Big Mouth, anything else to say then useless air?

THE WHOLE INDUSTRY IS LIEING constantly, where do you live? In Dream World?

You can't spell or write a coherent sentence to save your life Dawkins. You're honestly the dumbest piece of shit I've ever run across on a forum.

Science hasn't said that Gho's theory works in practice. The only one who has said Gho's theory works in practice is Gho himself.

And for the record I've never supported ANY hair transplant surgeon so I don't know what you're on about.


This is it for me on this topic. I just don't care enough about it.

[RichardDawkins]

If you dont care then why bother answering here? No you cant get away this time.

Gho published his results and the science very very openly for everone to take a look at this. But why hasnt anyone disproved him so far? For the same reason why nobody wants to adapt.

Science and Tissue Engineering supports Ghos findings. Guess what ARIs guideline is?

" Tha hair can regenerate itself"

So is the Histogen tagline and others. So if i am the dumbest piece of shit in your opinion, then gess what all the HM Research is aswell and all people who know the benefactor of tissue engineering.

[Sogeking]

I know some people don't like Gho, but I think the guy's definitely onto something. The HSI clinics are in four commercially very significant hubs and they are making very bold claims - I really don't think they would dare to do that in the heart of Europe with all the health watchdogs (especially in the UK) if they could not deliver results!


If you think that is not possible then I suggeest you check the Trx2 thread and Whitfields claims. Also make sure to note his eduaction. I mean he is Oxford graduate. You don't get more United Kingdom than that...


Today the biggest businesses are made through biggest fairy tales. So make sure you find real evidence amongst all that stories.

[BoSox]

Is there really unlimited supply of donor hair with Gho?


That's all I want to know really.

[RichardDawkins]

Gho is tissue engineering if you wanna name it. TRX2 is just plainbullshit plain bullshit i never believed in.

But there have alwas been reports of regenerated donor even in tradtional transplants

[Kiwi]

Dorkins. You are a moron. An idiot of absolute and unfathomable proportions. To think I actually used to respect you. I'm embarrassed to think that once I thought you added value to this community.

For any new readers here. Dorkins comes here and frequently prattles on about Gho, yet nobody has seen any macro photography to prove that Gho's technique works well. That it works isnt the point - how well it works is what we want to know.

Dorkins has also never acknowledged that Gho merely practices FUE - but with a super small needle that leaves enough of the follicle to grow back. Dorkins certainly doesnt mention that the follicle can be be killed in the process. Think about it - Gho is essentially dissecting your freaking follicle. Its never going to be a 100% success rate.

Then Dorkins comes here and tells the community that Histogen is dead. The same Dorkins that talks about science used his same powers of deduction to conclude that a mere change on the Hstogen site meant that they were out of business and that the millions of dollars of recent investment money somehow vanished.

Basically folks I'm starting to wonder if Dorkins isnt trying to win himself with Gho to get a free transplant - because he clearly knows nothing about scientific process, Gho's business or Histogen's business.

Fact.

p.s. Gho just changed a photo on his website! He's taken a few images down. OMG Gho is dead. Sorry folks. Gho is no longer.

Just kidding. But that illustrates what Dorkins did when he spotted a change on the Histogen site. This is the caliber of individual we're dealing with.

[krewel]

Gho is tissue engineering if you wanna name it. TRX2 is just plainbullshit plain bullshit i never believed in.

But there have alwas been reports of regenerated donor even in tradtional transplants

I never liked you. But in this point, I agree with you.

[RichardDawkins]

Kiwiw there is nothing of value in you statement. Its just childish what do i know. Sorry leave conversations if you dont have anything to contribute.

Ask different FUE clinics about "if they ever saw donor regeneration on a small scale" they will surely say Yes (so they are liars as well right?)

Answer me why do Researchers like Histogen and Gho refer to Gho findings in their papers etc?

And seriously get over my statements, you seem to sound like IronMans Twin Brother or something, this douchebag is also obsessed like shit with me because i am the only one who actually talks to him.

Gho actually added some pictures at his website instead of taking them down.

So the Alaska meeting is over and no big announcements? Strange right, Histogen is dead in terms of " As we want them to be" now they are down to

"Well HSC could benefit donor healing" great this is the sugar coat version of "Not the HSC that we expected"

A lot of congresses passed and now updates, they didnt even start the next trial phase hmmmmm wonder whys that right?

I think a lot of people (except you you little hate filled boy) are asking those questions themselves because Histogen was way ahead of everyone and they blasted out news after news, but what happens now, everything is silent, at best it could benefit donor healing. Hmmmm what should patients think of this.

Also i wouldnt have said anything but if TWO out of TWO important notes are taken down from a website, well i begin to wonder. And dont tell me "With the cache you can access this trial page" this doesnt count, i am talking about the website in this form

Also why isnt Dr Ziering posting by some things?

You are only crying and insulting because you were under the impression that with HSC you get one injection and your youthfull hair back. Which wont never work with HSC, never.

Here from the Histogen website, you freak and tissue engineering basher

"While continuing in vitro and preclinical studies to support its primary therapeutic programs, HSC and oncology, Histogen has been able to explore other indications and produce proof-of-concept data that supports further development in these areas. Such applications include medical device coatings, tissue filler for various indications, and a post-procedure application for advanced healing."

Now WHERE is there something in terms of injectible with hair regeneration? All i read are in fact THINGS WHICH ARE MORE FOCUSSED ON A GHO APPROACH WITH TISSUE ENGINEERING RATHER THEN FANCY INJECTIONS

And now, go insult your parents and leave this board

[uninformed]

Kiwiw there is nothing of value in you statement. Its just childish what do i know. Sorry leave conversations if you dont have anything to contribute.

Ask different FUE clinics about "if they ever saw donor regeneration on a small scale" they will surely say Yes (so they are liars as well right?)

Answer me why do Researchers like Histogen and Gho refer to Gho findings in their papers etc?

And seriously get over my statements, you seem to sound like IronMans Twin Brother or something, this douchebag is also obsessed like shit with me because i am the only one who actually talks to him.

Gho actually added some pictures at his website instead of taking them down.

So the Alaska meeting is over and no big announcements? Strange right, Histogen is dead in terms of " As we want them to be" now they are down to

"Well HSC could benefit donor healing" great this is the sugar coat version of "Not the HSC that we expected"

A lot of congresses passed and now updates, they didnt even start the next trial phase hmmmmm wonder whys that right?

I think a lot of people (except you you little hate filled boy) are asking those questions themselves because Histogen was way ahead of everyone and they blasted out news after news, but what happens now, everything is silent, at best it could benefit donor healing. Hmmmm what should patients think of this.

Also i wouldnt have said anything but if TWO out of TWO important notes are taken down from a website, well i begin to wonder. And dont tell me "With the cache you can access this trial page" this doesnt count, i am talking about the website in this form

Also why isnt Dr Ziering posting by some things?

You are only crying and insulting because you were under the impression that with HSC you get one injection and your youthfull hair back. Which wont never work with HSC, never.

Here from the Histogen website, you freak and tissue engineering basher

"While continuing in vitro and preclinical studies to support its primary therapeutic programs, HSC and oncology, Histogen has been able to explore other indications and produce proof-of-concept data that supports further development in these areas. Such applications include medical device coatings, tissue filler for various indications, and a post-procedure application for advanced healing."

Now WHERE is there something in terms of injectible with hair regeneration? All i read are in fact THINGS WHICH ARE MORE FOCUSSED ON A GHO APPROACH WITH TISSUE ENGINEERING RATHER THEN FANCY INJECTIONS

And now, go insult your parents and leave this board

you do realise that they were probably talking about another product called regenica for donor healing right? Why would they bother presenting anything at all if they were "dead"?

[RichardDawkins]

Another smart ass.

Ask yourself one question " For which product would you personally do all the commercial stuff? For a wound healing device or something which solves baldness?"

And no they just give informations about stuff which is not from interest, in our case

[uninformed]

Another smart ass.

Ask yourself one question " For which product would you personally do all the commercial stuff? For a wound healing device or something which solves baldness?"

And no they just give informations about stuff which is not from interest, in our case

Why wouldn't you commercialise a finished product, whilst your other product is currently being developed?

The corporate model was brought on so that businesses won't be restricted by the physical limitations of sole traders.

Yes, whilst it may be quite profound for you, Histogen can and should promote other products whilst HSC is still developing.

[UK Boy]

Another smart ass.

Ask yourself one question " For which product would you personally do all the commercial stuff? For a wound healing device or something which solves baldness?"

And no they just give informations about stuff which is not from interest, in our case

So do you now know what has been presented by Histogen at the ISHRS meeting then? Because I've been asking and no one else on here has any idea. If you've got the information I'd love to see it, can't believe that there's nothing of interest in our case when Dr. Ziering's presentation was supposed to be about the 2 year results and phase I/II trial. Plus do you even know what they've presented at the previous meetings they've attended? Again as far as I know nothings been released. I know it's annoying that we're not hearing anything but in the last email I had from Eileen at Histogen she actually said that the regulating bodies don't like it if the company release too much info to the public.

I don't wanna add to this whole arguement, to be honest it makes me sick that there's all this fighting between users of the forum, isn't the whole point of this thing to support each other? Richard.Dawkins I'm sure you're gonna insult me for this but I agree with many others, I used to repect your opinions and was interested in what you had to say but recently you've become a lot more like IronMan. It's a shame, don't know what's happened to you but maybe you should get off the forums for a bit, it doesn't seem as if they're doing you any good.

The other thing you could do is go and get yourself booked in with Gho, have his proceedure and then come back and post detailed photos of the results. You'd be doing us all a favour and benefitting yourself at the same time.

[CVAZBAR]

UK Boy, do you listen to the show on Sundays? I don't think there was a show this past weekend but I'm sure Spencer would probably talk about the presentations in the next show. This is why nobody has said anything, I guess. As for Richard Dawkins, I used to think he was a cool cat also but as long as people continue to feed the trolls, they wont stop. That's the problem at Hairsite. Everyone keeps responding to those idiots, so it never ends. If we all ignore them, this won't happen. Let's not feed the Trolls.

[RichardDawkins]

Well i dont think that i am a troll. Right now Dean Sunders a full blown NW6 guy with a scratch at NW7 got a nice NW1 hairline done by Gho :-) so i have to say

Tissue Engineering 1 vs "HM injections" 0

Also they planned 3 more sessions to see what then should be done, and this is well something for a NW6. What happenes now? Who is gonna ring the red phone of the hair transplant clinics to offer HST?

Anyone? Well all i say is, if you want a real solution in the few next years without relying on comb over and toppic, you should ring rang all the clinics you can get to offer HST or else some people here will swim in a lot of problems

[Losing_It]

Well i dont think that i am a troll. Right now Dean Sunders a full blown NW6 guy with a scratch at NW7 got a nice NW1 hairline done by Gho :-) so i have to say

Tissue Engineering 1 vs "HM injections" 0

Also they planned 3 more sessions to see what then should be done, and this is well something for a NW6. What happenes now? Who is gonna ring the red phone of the hair transplant clinics to offer HST?

Anyone? Well all i say is, if you want a real solution in the few next years without relying on comb over and toppic, you should ring rang all the clinics you can get to offer HST or else some people here will swim in a lot of problems


You do know that what ARI, Replicel and Histogen are doing fall under the ambit of Tissue Engineering.:D

[Follicle Death Row]

You do know that what ARI, Replicel and Histogen are doing fall under the ambit of Tissue Engineering.:D

Haha. Yeah it's funny. I was reading it and thinking goddammit it's the same thing. Like saying Tissue Engineering 1 - 0 Tissue Engineering. :D

[RichardDawkins]

Well then, if this is called tissue engineering, let me know where the results are besides fance Flash movies then

[Follicle Death Row]

Well then, if this is called tissue engineering, let me know where the results are besides fance Flash movies then

Well of course there's no results yet. We're just making the point that the cellular based techniques of Aderans, Replicel etc are in fact a form of tissue engineering. HM is tissue engineering.

[RichardDawkins]

Thats not correct, there is tissue engineering which is focussed on the natural healing and regeneration abilities and we have the injectibles, which are reJUVENATING existing follicles.

There is a difference

[Losing_It]

Well of course there's no results yet. We're just making the point that the cellular based techniques of Aderans, Replicel etc are in fact a form of tissue engineering. HM is tissue engineering.

I wanted to point out this fact to him ages ago, but he was screaming so loud these past few weeks, that I just couldn't bother. One would imagine Dawkins would familiar himself with what Tissue Engineering actually entails before starting a shouting contest. The thing is I am not even certain whether or not Gho's technique really qualifies as Tissue Engineering.

[RichardDawkins]

Funny how baldies subsstitute their own reality.

The last weeks? Where did i scream? Was it not you gus with the constant F bomb towards me? Like white trash trailer park guys?

I only say as i see it. And while Gho with his "secrets" performs this, Histogen comes up with excuses why they cant say much? Really? Here are their ecuses

1) japanes earthquake
2) Authorities dont want people to talk that much about their stuff? Well but before they were raising money, they were very open about what this does and what not

Also why go to a congress then and present hair TRANSPLANTERS their findings but not us?

Yes call me psycho or drop the f bomb , but the Histogen as you may want it, is gone.

[krewel]

Funny how baldies subsstitute their own reality.

The last weeks? Where did i scream? Was it not you gus with the constant F bomb towards me? Like white trash trailer park guys?

I only say as i see it. And while Gho with his "secrets" performs this, Histogen comes up with excuses why they cant say much? Really? Here are their ecuses

1) japanes earthquake
2) Authorities dont want people to talk that much about their stuff? Well but before they were raising money, they were very open about what this does and what not

Also why go to a congress then and present hair TRANSPLANTERS their findings but not us?

Yes call me psycho or drop the f bomb , but the Histogen as you may want it, is gone.

Cool story bro.

[mlao]

Funny how baldies subsstitute their own reality.

The last weeks? Where did i scream? Was it not you gus with the constant F bomb towards me? Like white trash trailer park guys?

I only say as i see it. And while Gho with his "secrets" performs this, Histogen comes up with excuses why they cant say much? Really? Here are their ecuses

1) japanes earthquake
2) Authorities dont want people to talk that much about their stuff? Well but before they were raising money, they were very open about what this does and what not

Also why go to a congress then and present hair TRANSPLANTERS their findings but not us?

Yes call me psycho or drop the f bomb , but the Histogen as you may want it, is gone.

Does anyone have a direct link to a quote from Histogen not from any forum poster where they say the earthquake slowed their progress?

[RichardDawkins]

Just browse through Histogen threads and you will stumble upon them.

Hey Krewel, cool story bro, that you will stay bald till your old while we others will have our hair

[mlao]

Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardDawkins
WHO and from WHERE did guys here have informations about some "Delay" i didnt find anything here.

Who started this rumors
Sorry for my absence but this is the latest "official word" on Histogen.
We're starting to recruit first week in June in Singapore, total of 50 pts. As a reminder each patient gets 8 injections of control and HSC anterior and posterior. The posterior gets a second set of 8 injections at week 6.

There has been limited case studies going on in Japan but they have been hampered by all the events there.

Unfortunately this stuff happens very slowly(which equally dissappoints and frustrates me ) and everyone has to be very careful with what they say and report because there are many people hanging on to every word. I know that many of my colleagues are searching for solutions and I am confident that we will bring help and hope to many hairloss sufferers but we have to be patient or we derail these projects before that really get going .

I cant respond to this thread daily but I assure you I will update you and Spencer with any new worthwhile information that I get.

I thank you all for your support,patience and interest.

I went thru the entire Histogen thread. The earthquake was mentioned once.
All it said was there were limited case studies that were hampered in Japan.
Now I know they haven't started the trials in Singapore but they have not emphatically said they have closed down their research.
My point here is to let them tell us what's going on when they have something tangible and stop relying on rumors.
And quite honestly I think the last place Histogen needs to promote themselves is on a hair loss forum.
They need to be presenting their work to investors who will kick in millions.

[RichardDawkins]

And? Do those investors give you back your hair? Nope they wont.

[Ronin]

And? Do those investors give you back your hair? Nope they wont.

Of course they do. without their money there would be no research. without research, there would be no breakthrough. ;)

[mlao]

And? Do those investors give you back your hair? Nope they wont.

Stop turning everyones statements around.
I'm not going to argue. You believe that Dr. Gho holds the key and I respect your right to that opinion. However until there is peer reviewed assessment that he is doing what he claims the jury is still out.
Trust me we all want HST to work.
The problem is a lot of people come on to forums and post their opinions as facts when they are not facts.
I think HSI would do themselves a great service if they had a doctor's representative come to the forums to answer questions. And please don't tell me they are too busy. If they can present their procedures on a weekly Dutch TV show they can certainly come to TBTF and show some case studies and answer questions like other doctors do.

[Ronin]

Well the thing is, they are definitely not short of patients. They have lots of publicity, they are booked until mid 2012 (at least in London), so why would they bother coming to a forum?

Another thing. Gho has given an interview where he answered Spencer's questions. Gho has published a journal, where he's argued that the donor regenerates - he provided close up photos and detailed his technique. As far as I know, none of his peers has shot down his article.

I am just trying to be logical here. What on earth could make him come and spend time here? He does TV shows because it's great publicity, but he's got absolutely no obligation to come here and entertain a bunch of guys who are sceptical about him. He's making good money and he's developing new techniques - like the stem cell injection thing.

Dunno man. I personally think he's onto something and that HSI will get bigger with time, unless one of the new cutting edge companies delivers a better product to the market (which I very much hope will happen). :rolleyes:

[NeedHairASAP]

Well the thing is, they are definitely not short of patients. They have lots of publicity, they are booked until mid 2012 (at least in London), so why would they bother coming to a forum?

Another thing. Gho has given an interview where he answered Spencer's questions. Gho has published a journal, where he's argued that the donor regenerates - he provided close up photos and detailed his technique. As far as I know, none of his peers has shot down his article.

I am just trying to be logical here. What on earth could make him come and spend time here? He does TV shows because it's great publicity, but he's got absolutely no obligation to come here and entertain a bunch of guys who are sceptical about him. He's making good money and he's developing new techniques - like the stem cell injection thing.

Dunno man. I personally think he's onto something and that HSI will get bigger with time, unless one of the new cutting edge companies delivers a better product to the market (which I very much hope will happen). :rolleyes:

if people email their prospective surgeons and ask for HST or ask about it then the transition will be faster

[RichardDawkins]

Well then ell then, instead of Dropping the F Bomb on me, DEMAND this from your clinics, cancel your appointments, ring them, dont email them they will throw those emails away.

Make your actions count