give up?

[Samiam]

When is some kind of decent solution going to come out for people with MPB? I mean I guess its always been 5-10 years right? I'm young so I'm not really informed on the cutting edge treatments of today but what makes them different from the ones people in their 30s were promised? Wtf is the point of holding on for 5-10 years just to be disapointed again and given another deadline. It's bullshit to all the people with this problem. This issue really doesnt seem like it should be this hard to solve.

[PatientlyWaiting]

There's no cure for Cancer, AIDS/HIV, Diabetes, MPB/Alopecia Areata, Asthma, Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease, Cold/Flu and a loooong list of other diseases/viruses etc.


We're in 2011..,not 1911.


Why don't none of these diseases have cures?


Hmmm.


Don't mean to put my tin foil hat on...but...you know how much the pharma companies and governments make with all of these diseases and viruses just being "treated", but never cured?

They say "hair loss doesn't kill any one, that's why there's not much effort being put in to finding a cure". Okay, then what about cancer, AIDS/HIV, diabetes, etc.? Which do kill people. How come those don't have a cure? What's the excuse for those not having a cure?

It could just be that there's genuinely no cures for any of these things. But it makes you wonder, these stories about doctors being shut down or locked up after curing a patient of cancer or aids? Ever heard about that Dominican Doctor who cured 20 patients of Cancer, and was shut down once he tried to GIVE[not even sell] Give the cure to America? Are these stories true? we'll never know. How about Cuban doctors, who are disgusted of even becoming doctors in the U.S. once they see the corruption in the pharmaceutical companies? You know Cuban doctors are some of the best doctors in the world, right? Notice how a lot of men in their 30's-40's in Cuba have a 10 year old's hairline? And this is actually pretty common. What's common here in the U.S., which is young men and older men with balding scalps, it's actually rare in Cuba, not there is absolutely no balding men in Cuba, just that it's a lot less common than it is in the U.S.

I know I might be called some names, but you have to admit, it is a little fishy how we're in 2011 with all these cool electronics and electronics that would blow any one from the 19th century away...yet we barely have cures for ourselves. We can make cool cellphones, and even more advanced alien-like gadgets for the military, find polar ice caps in Mars, but we can't find cures for ourselves. Amazing, or better yet, bullshit.

[BoSox]

I agree with you.. i'm still young and at the early stages of hairloss. I'm already sick and tired of these promises, but I really do believe in 5 years from now baldness will be a choice. Advancements have improved, and with stem cell research, they are attacking this in different angles.

[Samiam]

@patiently to be honest. Cancer, aids, etc. Seem away more complex of a problem then figuring out how to grow hairs on you're head. Don't get me wrong if someone offered me two choices of curing cancer/aids or MPB id choose cancer/aids but I see MPB as a way easier problem to solve. Also, if these conspiracy theories are true the world is connected in every way through the internet now wouldnt we know if someone in some other part of the world had found a cure to some disease?? They also say aids is a man-made disease that was intended to be used in biological warfare. Idk what to think of these conspiracy theories but the fact that humans are so helpless and can't even regulate industries and government within their own countries is pathetic.

[The Alchemist]

There's no cure for Cancer, AIDS/HIV, Diabetes, MPB/Alopecia Areata, Asthma, Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease, Cold/Flu and a loooong list of other diseases/viruses etc.


We're in 2011..,not 1911.


Why don't none of these diseases have cures?


Hmmm.


Don't mean to put my tin foil hat on...but...you know how much the pharma companies and governments make with all of these diseases and viruses just being "treated", but never cured?

They say "hair loss doesn't kill any one, that's why there's not much effort being put in to finding a cure". Okay, then what about cancer, AIDS/HIV, diabetes, etc.? Which do kill people. How come those don't have a cure? What's the excuse for those not having a cure?

It could just be that there's genuinely no cures for any of these things. But it makes you wonder, these stories about doctors being shut down or locked up after curing a patient of cancer or aids? Ever heard about that Dominican Doctor who cured 20 patients of Cancer, and was shut down once he tried to GIVE[not even sell] Give the cure to America? Are these stories true? we'll never know. How about Cuban doctors, who are disgusted of even becoming doctors in the U.S. once they see the corruption in the pharmaceutical companies? You know Cuban doctors are some of the best doctors in the world, right? Notice how a lot of men in their 30's-40's in Cuba have a 10 year old's hairline? And this is actually pretty common. What's common here in the U.S., which is young men and older men with balding scalps, it's actually rare in Cuba, not there is absolutely no balding men in Cuba, just that it's a lot less common than it is in the U.S.

I know I might be called some names, but you have to admit, it is a little fishy how we're in 2011 with all these cool electronics and electronics that would blow any one from the 19th century away...yet we barely have cures for ourselves. We can make cool cellphones, and even more advanced alien-like gadgets for the military, find polar ice caps in Mars, but we can't find cures for ourselves. Amazing, or better yet, bullshit.

There is so much wrong with this post it's hard to even know where to begin. First of all, Aids, which used to be a lethal disease, is now treatable to the point where patients afflicted with it have a viral load of practically zero and lead perfectly normal lives. They've made amazing progress against the disease. Cancer hasn't be "cured" because "cancer" isn't actually one disease. Cancer is a catch-all phrase that is used to label any disorder in cell replication. There are a thousand different ways for cell replication to become disrupted...so "Cancer" is really a thousand different diseases. Finding a cure for one type is difficult enough, nevermind all of them.

Also, the pharma conspiracy theories that claim they're suppressing a cure to make money off treatments is ridiculous. Pharma companies are staffed by real people with family and friends just like everybody else. They are just as prone to cancer and virusues etc.. as anyone else. Why would they keep down a treatment that would help save the mothers/fathers, children, friends ? People love to trash these companies and blame all kinds of evil on them as if they were run by unfeeling robots who'd sacrifice their own families all so the company could profit. It's just not so. The fact of the matter is that finding cures for diseases is far more difficult then the general public understands. It takes time... a long freak'n time and much collaborative research.

With that said, it's my opinion that some of these companies going after hairloss are getting close and we may see something in the next few years. Maybe not perfect cure, but, a better treatment could be likely.

[VictimOfDHT]

HIV is almost cured. Haven't you listened to the news lately ? And people with full blown AIDS can live normal lives on meds. But anyway, I do believe MPB isn't nearly as complicated as any of the serious illnesses we still don't have a cure for. The thing is no one cared to tackle the problem until recently.

To the guy who doesn't believe in the "pharma conspiracy theory", well, I don't know what to tell you. It IS a fact that these guys are a bunch of crooks and thugs in general. They have lobbyists with some heavy weights and can actually pressure and sway the policy makers to make decisions in their favor. IT IS FACT AND NOT FICTION as you might think. It's NOT a secret, dude. There are treatments for a number of illnesses in other countries in the world that you won't find in the US for example. It is also a fact that the major drug makers are making BILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars on drugs that either don't work well or are prescribed for people who don't really need them because the system is made to work this way to keep the flow of money going (into their deep pockets). Even doctors are in on it and it's a fact too unless you're living on the moon. Just two weeks ago I was watching a program on the local channel about the dangers of birth control pills -I think Yaz- and they showed how doctors are actually being coached and trained (BY THE DRUG MAKERS) to lie all the time ...

So wake up and smell the coffee.

[The Alchemist]

To the guy who doesn't believe in the "pharma conspiracy theory", well, I don't know what to tell you. It IS a fact that these guys are a bunch of crooks and thugs in general. They have lobbyists with some heavy weights and can actually pressure and sway the policy makers to make decisions in their favor. IT IS FACT AND NOT FICTION as you might think. It's NOT a secret, dude. There are treatments for a number of illnesses in other countries in the world that you won't find in the US for example. It is also a fact that the major drug makers are making BILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars on drugs that either don't work well or are prescribed for people who don't really need them because the system is made to work this way to keep the flow of money going (into their deep pockets). Even doctors are in on it and it's a fact too unless you're living on the moon. Just two weeks ago I was watching a program on the local channel about the dangers of birth control pills -I think Yaz- and they showed how doctors are actually being coached and trained (BY THE DRUG MAKERS) to lie all the time ...

So wake up and smell the coffee.

If everything you talk about here is a FACT, then you should have no problem providing incontrovertible proof of your assertions. Please do so, and we'll talk through them point by point. Be specific, it's impossible to address generalities in any way other then the nonsense that they are. Also, What drugs are available in other countries but not in the US? and explain why they're not availabe in the US and also how they're being kept out.

And i hate to break the news to you, but, every large corporation (not just pharma) has lobbyists who try to work with gov't to create a business opportunities and protect their interests. This does not make them crooks. It's all part and parcel of doing business in the United States and other similar countries and is perfectly legal.

[VictimOfDHT]

It's not my job to prove anything to you. I don't have to prove that the sun exists just because someone believes it doesn't. The truth is OUT THERE for someone who seeks it or cares enough to. Most people CHOOSE to live in ignorance -it's a fact too- and it's not my problem or duty to enlighten them. Knowledge cannot be poured into someone's head. The truth is out there. Seek and you shall find...or you can choose to live like the rest of the clueless sheeple.

[PatientlyWaiting]

The Alchemist is most likely in on all the corruption. Don't pay any attention to him. Sorry guy, no offense. You come in here swinging for the fences, seems fishy.


I hate it when people act like it's okay, about what's going on behind the scenes. It's not okay and I am pretty damn sure there's only "treatments" for all of these diseases because the government and pharmaceutical companies want these diseases to only stay treated. They're gonna milk us for as long as they want for these treatments, and when they do decide to give us something better, it will only be better treatments to STAY on, never a cure. Look at all of these "cures" coming out in 5-10 years for hair loss, none of them are really cures, they're all actually treatments in which when you stop using, you'll probably lose the hair you gained. Why solve the problem of something that's bringing you billions of dollars a year, what are the big pharmas and governments have gaining by giving us cures :confused:

[Kiwi]

The big difference between this 5-10 year promise and the last 5-10 year promise is that previously there was only theories.

Nobody was growing hair on mice. Cooley wasnt plucking hair. There was no Acell. There was no Intercytex. There was no Aderans. There was no Histgen. There was no PRP. There was no decent stem cell research going on (it was in its infancy).

Now we have companies like Aderans and Histogen posting photographic evidence that they have working solutions.

10 - 20 years ago there was only ideas and there were only theories. There is a BIG difference. So try and stay positive mate - I'm in the same boat as you, I have thought about this a lot and I have been researching for over 5 years myself.

And ignore the conspiracy crap. Sure pharmaceutical companies are greedy (duh - who didnt know that) but luckily for people with Hair Loss we live in a capitalist world. There are investors and competing pharmaceutical companies putting money into this billion dollar industry right now. Do you think that the Histogen funding grew on money trees? it didnt ;)

[Kiwi]

@patientlywaiting

You're stating that ALL companies are evil which is emotive and untrue.

My understanding is that the Histogen solution will grow hair on your head that will last as long as your normal hair before MPB kicked in. So its not so bad, I'm quite happy to have that if that is the best science can come up with in my lifetime!!

[PatientlyWaiting]

Histogen injection is also a treatment, but a better treatment. Which I already stated. We'll definitely have better treatments, in the future. But cures? dream on. Unless you're spending thousands of dollars for some hair cloning transplant, that's the only cure. But not everybody can afford that.

[PatientlyWaiting]

The big difference between this 5-10 year promise and the last 5-10 year promise is that previously there was only theories.

Nobody was growing hair on mice. Cooley wasnt plucking hair. There was no Acell. There was no Intercytex. There was no Aderans. There was no Histgen. There was no PRP. There was no decent stem cell research going on (it was in its infancy).

Now we have companies like Aderans and Histogen posting photographic evidence that they have working solutions.

10 - 20 years ago there was only ideas and there were only theories. There is a BIG difference. So try and stay positive mate - I'm in the same boat as you, I have thought about this a lot and I have been researching for over 5 years myself.

And ignore the conspiracy crap. Sure pharmaceutical companies are greedy (duh - who didnt know that) but luckily for people with Hair Loss we live in a capitalist world. There are investors and competing pharmaceutical companies putting money into this billion dollar industry right now. Do you think that the Histogen funding grew on money trees? it didnt ;)

Sorry these are not cures, these are surgeries/transplants.

[Kiwi]

I'm not saying it is a cure. To be honest I don't give a shit if it is a "cure" according to your definition of a "cure" or not. I think you're missing the point.

My definition of a "cure" is having hair on my head. I think that is the "goal" here :P

You can argue semantics all you like - but the day any of these companies open their doors for business, I'm going to get on the phone and make a booking and while you're still complaining about semantics.... I'll have more hair then you ;)

The good news is that it will obviously become consumerised. Everything does. Probably not cheap but eventually we'll all be able to buy our precious hair back :P

[PatientlyWaiting]

I was once blind at an early age, with an eye disease that gradually makes you blind. It is seen more on older people than a young guy like I was. Well now I can see again, thanks to an expensive corneal transplant. The disease I had, has no cure. You can, however, exchange your corneal tissue, with a dead person's corneal tissue. If that is a cure for you, then great. I can see again, great, now all I need is another expensive corneal transplant on my other eye to see form that one. What a cure.

I guess a cure for a broken tv, is buying a new one. Or a PS3 getting the yellow light of death, is just buy a new one. These are cures for you. Seems more like emotional cures. Just buy a wig, that would be a cure for you. You'd have "hair on your head".

[Kiwi]

Just buy a wig, that would be a cure for you. You'd have "hair on your head".

Not for me mate. A "cure" for me is having hair growing back out of "my" head, and whether its done via a "transplant" procedure or not I don't give a monkeys toss.

Holy crap you can see!!!! I think thats freaking awesome. I'm just sad that you still sound bitter about it, once upon a time people with your condition were blind for life...

Best,
Kiwi

[RichardDawkins]

Wrong Patienly wWaiting.

Those surgeries ARE a CURE because it does what it should do, give you back hair without depleting donor area and beyond the idea of an illusion.

WHat if you can expand the donor area with plucking to an extend of 25.000 Grafts? This is a cure in my books because it definitely fills your whole head to the point where you dont have to care ever again.

Even a NW7 person with a slim horseshoe, assume you would pluck the whole horseshoe, i think you would need 5 or 6 sessions (just to be sure) to be a dense NW1 guy again.

And stuff like this is a cure, but today i gave up on explaining anything anymore because its simply not worth anything anymore when people (hair loss community) are not evebn capable of working together to proof Ghos HST and isntead bickering about crap nobody cares at all

[Kiwi]

Wrong RichardDawkins

Wrong because I care and I want to work with people to see this happen ;)

To be honest I'm simply not sure if Gho is legit or not - I'm hanging out for some macro photogrophy from the Gho team.

Also assuming it is legit and assuming it does cost a shit load of money there isnt anything to stop people from doing 1 Gho session followed up by a Plucking session from Cooley or something like that. People will have to think of ways to budget for some kind of plan...

[RichardDawkins]

Kiwi i dont wanna sound like an asshole here but guys like you are the minority.

If you look at hairsite you see why i am so pissed right now, because a few guys are always sabotaging every little effort even knowing that it will expand the time till we can be certain if Gho is legit.

But if you ask for my opinion, i say yes Gho is legit and so is Cole, Cooley and Woods. To bad that they never joined forces in the first place.

And regarding Rassman, tsss of course he flies to Amsterdam because hey if he is the only one offering it he will make much more money besides his hair tattoos. I give him credit for doing it, if he is not lying. But for the rest of his existence i wont give him credit

[Kiwi]

You don't sound like an asshole at all. I don't honestly understand why I'm a minority though - I definitely have hair loss and the depression that comes with it. I have that in common with everybody here.

I'm also a technologist. And a futurist at heart. So probably exactly like you.

I'm on your side. I'm not going to lie and say that I don't want to see more photographs from Gho - are you telling me that you don't :P

[Kiwi]

Also I'm not even saying I want them NOW.

I just don't know anything until I see the proof. Just like you. And every other human on this list. We don't know until we see.

I'm totally stoked about what he's doing though. That is all I possibly can be right?

[Samiam]

Can someone please fill me in on this Dr. gho and why he's so significant right now

[UK_]

Can someone please fill me in on this Dr. gho and why he's so significant right now

For those that know dont tell and those that tell dont know.

You must seek Gho, his path lies within.

________________________

OMFG OMFG OMFG PROPECIA USERS PLEASE READ:

In December 2009 following a public assessment report, the MHRA deemed it necessary to add the following statement to the Propecia information leaflet:

"Possible side effects

You should promptly report to your doctor any changes in your breast tissue such as lumps, pain or nipple discharge as these may be signs of a serious condition, such as breast cancer".

Richard, you were 100% right - ITS SIMPLY NOT WORTH IT!

[Samiam]

UK youve been posting weird shit lately. Are you on that trx3 stuff now too?

[PatientlyWaiting]

My work here is done :D

[Sogeking]

If I can chime in. The so called big pharma conspiracies are actually somewhat true. Not all of them and alot of them to a varying degree. For example recently I stumbled upon this:
http://www.jsonline.com/features/health/122598108.html
I haven't read this particular article but rather one in my local newspapers. They said that about 15 ortophedic surgeons were on it. Now since I'm somewhat distrustful person I take everything with grain of salt but still I do think those doctors were falsifyingthe trial results and side effects.

Ofcourse that isn't the case with every drug. But there is a possibility of this happening.

As for the "cure". Well most of us think of cure as a some magic drug or pill but a transplant which gives you your hair back is still a cure.


And all the Gho talk. Well don't know about you guys but I ain't buying it until I see a lot of photographic evidence coupled with testimonies on the forums (like this one and hairsite). And I don't mean Iron Man. Ofcourse it might be that HST leaves the donor region unscarred and able to recuperate. But I'll just wait and see.

The amount of treatments is a promising thing but it still means that we will have to wait. Also even if a good treatment comes on market I'm not gonna go and grab it immediately. Don't want serious side effects or to be a victim of some cover up.

[BackwardsBalding]

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Call me crazy but I think I may have the cure for hair loss. Wait for it..........Wait for it.......... Decreased ejaculation and increased blood flow.............................................. .................................................. .............Damn it people this is concrete A WOMEN'S GESTATION PERIOD IS 9 MONTHS WE ARE THE ONLY ANIMALS THAT ABUSE REPRODUCTION AND ALSO THE ONLY WITH MPB..... Women are exposed to the same environmental factors as were are so you can rule any environmental factor out. what do you have left DHT were is DHT regulated and produced at.....The prostate......What does the prostate do......Ejaculates.........What is an early sign of prostate cancer.......Balding.........What does all this mean......Stop ejaculating all the time you are one of the unlucky that are super sensitive to DHT and unfortunately that means were F***ed and obviously I don't mean that literally. Try it fellas what you got to lose besides a few erections. BTW if your name is UK or RichardDawkins ignore this post pretend you never seen it and carry on about your lives. Thanks
P.S. This may seem like a joke but I am dead serious Look it up if yo don't believe me.

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[Mojo Risin]

Best troll ever.

[The Alchemist]

It's not my job to prove anything to you. I don't have to prove that the sun exists just because someone believes it doesn't. The truth is OUT THERE for someone who seeks it or cares enough to. Most people CHOOSE to live in ignorance -it's a fact too- and it's not my problem or duty to enlighten them. Knowledge cannot be poured into someone's head. The truth is out there. Seek and you shall find...or you can choose to live like the rest of the clueless sheeple.

That's what i figured you say. You made a bunch of attacks on something which you clearly know very little about and when asked to provide evidence for your position, you decline. It's pathetic how paper thin your beliefs are. You'd rather wallow in your ignorance, then do the difficult task of researching your position and then having to come to terms with the fact that you're wrong. Thank you for proving my point.

[stillinHS1994]

Lol if only me not fappin could save my hair....lol

[UK_]

That's what i figured you say. You made a bunch of attacks on something which you clearly know very little about and when asked to provide evidence for your position, you decline. It's pathetic how paper thin your beliefs are. You'd rather wallow in your ignorance, then do the difficult task of researching your position and then having to come to terms with the fact that you're wrong. Thank you for proving my point.

I think a lot of people feel disillusioned with big pharma, not knowing the people that constitute said institutions are really, genuine people looking for improvements in treatments themselves, the elixir of life for the elites only conspiracy has been around for as long as chicken.

Once you actually start researching what's going on in some of the top institutions you'll be surprised at what can actually be achieved today compared to even half a decade ago.

In short, it's true, the basis behind the arguments of those individuals who believe in the "Pharma Conspiracy" is laughably weak, it really boils down to feelings of disillusionment.

[VictimOfDHT]

That's what i figured you say. You made a bunch of attacks on something which you clearly know very little about and when asked to provide evidence for your position, you decline. It's pathetic how paper thin your beliefs are. You'd rather wallow in your ignorance, then do the difficult task of researching your position and then having to come to terms with the fact that you're wrong. Thank you for proving my point.

Are you really that dumb ? Yeah, you must be. What do you think, we're in a court or something that I have to prove to you something only jack asses don't know ? The only one here wallowing in his ignorance is YOU, idiot. Pull your empty head out of the sand.

[UK_]

Whatever happens - one things for sure, there wont ever be a shortage of studies into green tea.

[DepressedByHairLoss]

PatientlyWaiting, you really do have a point. I've brought up similar points many times on this website, because I truly find it unacceptable that in this day and age that we do not have an effective mechanism to combat hair loss and to regrow hair. The FDA is literally in bed with all of these high-powered pharmaceutical companies, and it ain't just me saying it. Several independent-minded politicians, such as Ron Paul and Jesse Ventura, have said the same thing. And these pharmaceutical companies aren't interested in doing anything that doesn't serve their self-interest and make them a ton of money. And frequent treatments for hair loss, no matter how shitty they are, will make them a ton more money than a potential cure. Look at Rogaine and Propecia. They don't do much of anything yet they are huge moneymakers, because most people (including myself) absolutely detest baldness and will do anything at all to not be bald. Hair transplants are also a huge moneymaker despite their shortcomings, and doctors make a ton of money performing them. The medical industry is a huge lobby and they can make a lot more money performing surgical procedures than non-invasive, but potentially WAY more effective ways to treat hair loss.
It's a fact that many people go elsewhere to get treatments that are not available in the U.S. Michael J Fox and Muhammad Ali go to Asia for more effective Parkinson's treatments and I've read about numerous parapelegic Americans who travel to China for stem cell treatments that are not offered in the U.S. It really wouldn't surprise me if a more effective hair loss treatment emerged from outside of the U.S. I would actually prefer this. Then the doctors who perform the treatment would not have the FDA up their asses, and would have more freedom to perform their treatments. I know that safety is an issue, but I'm not even sure that the government cares about that either. If they did, then they would do something to regulate the hair transplant industry; after all I have read on here about people with botched hair transplants, specifically from chain centers like Bosley or Hair Club.
Some people will contend that hair loss is extremely complex, yet I highly doubt that it's more complex than diseases like cancer or AIDS. Hell, there are tons of articles on the internet that suggest all types of cures for baldness (WNT, Noggin, BMP inhibitors, Thymosin B4, autologous stem cell therapies), yet none of these are tried on humans. That's the fishiest thing ever; that there are tons of things that are known to have the potential to regrow hair, yet none of them are or have been developed to benefit humans.

[RichardDawkins]

The problem is a simple one people got to comfortable with Propecia and hair transplants, that they didnt saw any real problems with it.

But right now all the repair cases from the 90s turn up rapidly, the guys with serious side effects from propecia are turning up as well.

Btw almost all big pharmaceutics are investing in Stem cell stuff for some reasons like "its profitable" and so they can avoid huge law suits because if someone can get new hairs back with stem cell treatments, do you think this guy will sue them for sunken eyes due to propecia?

And when Dr Rassman says "Hair multiplication is one decade away" pfff we all know what this means

[Mojo Risin]

Rassman has no interest whatsoever in supporting new treatments. Just read his blog where he talks about hair systems ... everything is worthless except hair transplant.

Just read this : http://www.baldingblog.com/2011/06/28/what-if-prince-william-had-a-hair-transplant/

This guy is all money. Everybody knows Prince William is a terrible hair transplant candidate. The guy is 30 years old, clearly set to become a Norwood 7 ... blonde hair ...

It's like saying Hubert Reeves should get one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IjB5u_fAz8

Remember this guy ? He won a contest to get the best hair transplant possible. Rassman was his surgeon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzOooSLhiFg

WOOOOOOOOOOOOW. NICE FREAKIN' TRANSPLANT BRO. And yeah ... he didn't brag about this one on his blog ...

Let's just face reality, a Norwood 7 guy has absolutly zero option except a hair system ...

[RichardDawkins]

Thats what he get for 25.000 dollars? Fuck have you seen Ghos nW6 patients? They got a better coverage with lesser grafts.

Oh man this is total hardcore

[PatientlyWaiting]

Depressedbyhairloss, I agree with you. There's nothing we can really do, but travel some where else that actually care about cures. I don't think U.S.

What I said about Cuba having some of the best doctors in the world, is true. If you research hard enough for the country with the best doctors, you'l almost always find Cuba in the discussion. My friend has an aunt that had cancer, here in the U.S. they told her she has 3 weeks to live and it would be a miracle for her to survive, she went to Cuba, they treated her, they told her she can go back home the next day if she wants. She was cured of cancer in Cuba. It's been 7 years, she looks as good as ever, 100% healthy.

Look I just googled "where are the best doctors in the world" for the first time[I never used the internet to find this out, I hear it from testimonials from real live people], and I found one answer saying this, in the first link I clicked.

"Cuba and Romania because especially surgeons..they're good and have experienced.

I disagree with the states..I'm sorry but some doctors in the States don't even know what they're doing..I heard stories on television showing 10 worse doctors..number 2 was the States..that some doctors in the States are not experienced or don't have a license..they think they know what they're doing..but deep down we all know they're full of sh**. And first all your medical care is way too expensive"

Sure this is from a normal person from Yahoo answers UK, but you will hear Cuba has one of the best doctors in that discussion almost every time, from people who KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.

Cuba challenges America and Europe:

http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_1382.shtml


Why I bring this up is, is it a coincidence that Cuba also has a lower amount of balding people than U.S.? Why is it common that 30-40 year old men in Cuba have 15 year old's hairlines? Not even matured hairlines. Hmm.

And BTW, no i'm not from Cuba.

[DepressedByHairLoss]

I'd really like to see what other countries like Cuba are doing for men suffering from hair loss. The minute I see some results from a hair loss treatment outside of the U.S., I'd be on a plane in a second, no matter how far or no matter how much it costs. Regrowing my hair is definitely the most important thing by far in my life right now.

[VictimOfDHT]

Depressedbyhair, according to The Alchemist -and the majority of the average gullible Joes- you are a conspiracy theorist because you have doubts about the integrity of the FDA and the way they conduct their business. These guys really believe the FDA's only concern is the safety of the people when it's clear as the sun that their main and primary concern is the pockets of the drug makers and their salesmen-DOCTORS. One must be really naive to think that pharma (in the US) isn't about profit FIRST. The whole health care system is about profit and NOT the well being of the consumer.
It's true, Cuba has some of the best doctors in the world and many countries around the world send their doctors to Cuba for training. You'd think the US should be the best but it isn't.

I don't think hair loss is that complicated of a problem to solve- IF THERE IS SOME SERIOUS RESEARCH INTO IT, but there isn't.

[DepressedByHairLoss]

Man, I totally hear ya. I got into a debate with some idiot on another thread who actually compared my way of thinking (wanting to test on humans chemicals that have been proven time and time again to regrow hair on mice) to Josef Mengele!! Can you believe that shit??
There is just so much evidence to suggest that the FDA and its beneficiaries (pharmaceutical companies and doctors) are in bed together, that it isn't even funny. Hell, independent politicians bring it up all the time. It just makes me so mad that they are playing games with us and our health issues while they continue to keep on raking in the money and doing what is best for themselves.
The medical industry represents a huge lobbyist platform and it is in the best monetary interest of the FDA to cater to them rather than the regular individual. I mean, why is it that every hair doctor offers only the same goddamn thing: hair transplants, when most people losing their hair don't even want to get them in the first place? Because these invasive surgical procedures make them the most money.
I agree, hair loss is probably not that complex of a problem to solve, especially compared to all the ridiculously-complex stuff that is being achieved in this technological age. Hell, there are plenty of things that have so much potential to regrow hair (Noggin, BMP inhibitors, cyclosporine, ephrin-a3, N-WASP, laminin 511) yet coincidentally NONE of these chemicals are even being attempted to be brought to the stage to benefit humans. As I've said millions of times, how can we know if a treatment can benefit humans if it is never tested on humans in the first place?
It just absolutely sickens me that since I am born with a genetic defect, I am forcing to rely on an industry that has no interest in curing it in the first place.

[DepressedByHairLoss]

Also, when you've got doctors scrambling and offering laughable solutions like head tattooing and chest hair and beard hair transplants, then you know that something is very wrong.

[stillinHS1994]

Lol that guy was an idiot...I don't think he understood that if we would just test some of these potential cures or treatments on humans then we might not even be worrying about this sh$t anymore...somehow he took wat u were trying to say and twisted it to make it sound like you wanted to force stuff on humans that is dangerous and has no potential of anything...lol the comparison with mengele is ridiculous

[DepressedByHairLoss]

What even worse is that people will supposedly discover chemicals which can potentially regrow hair on humans but then never even both to bring to the market. And since they own the right to the discovery, they (and only they) can develop a product based on the specific chemical, yet they wind up not doing anything.
Regenerx and their discovery Thymosin Beta 4 is a perfect example. Regenerx found years ago that Thymosin Beta 4 can possibly regrow hair in humans yet they have not done anything to develop a hair loss treatment using Thymosin Beta for almost 10 years. And since they made this so-called discovery, they're the only ones that can develop a product for hair loss with Thymosin Beta. No one else can since they hold a patent on it. I believe that last year a Korean company called Adistem (maybe Actistem) attempted to sell a product containing Thymosin Beta 4, but after a few months ago, they were no longer selling it anymore. I believe this way because Regenerx stepped in and threatened to sue them for copyright infringement. I mean, at least if Regenerx doesn't plan to develop anything for hair loss with Thymosin Beta 4, then at least sell off the rights to some one who willing to.
Right there is a prime example of a company putting the desire to make money over the well-being and good of human beings.

[Jundam]

I'm not an idiot. I just tried to explain how the scientific community works and why there are laws safeguarding humans from scientific experimentation. You're just blind to simple reasoning in this discussion because you're suffering from the lack of scientific progress within the field.
Stop mentioning the various things you've read might cure AGA as if you comprehend the meaning of them on even the basest level. And stop acting as if the only reason a cure doesn't exist is because nobody wants to try it out. The FDA may be corrupt but the scientific community isn't and as can be seen by Histogen and Replicel; Getting approval in Asia and Europe is an option for everybody. Their mere existence proves that anybody is allowed to commence clinical trials in search for a superior treatment to hair loss. There's no reason for the FDA to even be in this discussion. It's American bullshit and doesn't concern the rest of the free world.


And for reference I'm not on some other team fighting against you. I started losing my hair as a teenager and while Rogaine and Propecia worked to regrow and maintain I know there's a time limit on it and I really do hope there's a solution ready before I hit that limit. I'm just trying to stay sane while waiting.
Perhaps these forums were a bad choice.

[DepressedByHairLoss]

Of course there is a reason for the FDA to be in this discussion. If the FDA is just a puppet of the pharmaceutical industry (which many people think they are), then they are going to be acting in the best interest of the pharmaceutical industry and not the general public. Not to mention the FDA being in the hip pocket of all the big lobbyists. If most (if not all) hair-related doctors make their money off of hair transplants, then I doubt they would want any non-surgical procedure cutting into their profit margins. It is common knowledge that the FDA is corrupt, but there are lots of elements of the scientific community that are corrupt as well. Look at the example that I provided with Regenerx. They've had a worldwide patent out for almost 10 years for using the chemical Thymosin Beta 4 to regrow hair. Yet they haven't done anything with it, and since they have a patent on using that chemical for hair growth, only they can use this method to regrow hair. I remember about a year and a half ago, a Korean company called Adistem was going to sell a product containing Thymosin Beta 4 to regrow hair, yet they had to stop after only a couple of months because Regenerx was going to sue the pants off of them. The bottom line with this mess is that either Regenerx can develop a hair regrowth product using Thymosin Beta 4, or no one else can. And Regenerx hasn't even attempted to develop anything in almost 10 years. That right there is a prime example of the scientific community putting their own profit ahead of the health and well-being of the general public.
And it is totally true that one of the main reasons that there is no cure for baldness is because there aren't nearly enough people/companies willing to try new methods on humans. Histogen and Replicel are just two minor exceptions to the rule. Male pattern baldness is such a widespread disease (I call it a disease) yet there are only a handful of companies/people even willing to try to develop any kind of treatment or cure to combat it. How the hell can you even know if something is going to work if its not even tested on humans in the first place? All of the chemicals that I have mentioned (Noggin, BMP inhibitors, Laminin 511) have been said to possibly be able stimulate robust hair growth in humans but nobody is gonna know unless they're tested on humans. Some of these chemicals have been mentioned for more than 10 years to possibly regrow hair in humans yet no one is even trying them out. And if these scientists don't think that these chemicals have any potential to regrow hair in humans, then stop touting them to scientific publications as if they do have some hair regrowth benefit. I can understand if there were a bunch of efforts being tried to regrow hair in humans and they somehow failed to do so. Then I would at least know that the companies and scientists are trying to do something to combat hair loss. But there are hardly any new efforts to do so at all.
Your calling me "blind to simple reasoning" is just absolutely ridiculous and frankly you don't know what you're talking about. You compare testing more potential hair regrowth solutions to Mengele's methods, and I'm supposedly "blind to simple reasoning"? Yeah right. Ever since I started losing my hair, all I've been doing is researching potential methods to regrow hair so I know quite a bit about chemicals like Noggin and Laminin 511 because I've read the scientific studies on their potential to regrow hair. I've e-mailed more than 100 of these scientists and even talked to several of them on the phone. So I do know what I'm talking about.
And you say you're not on "some other team against me", yet more than half of your posts on here are spent arguing with me.

[Mojo Risin]

"It's all preliminary at the moment," says Cotsarelis, who has helped to set up a company, Follica, that will attempt to bring the idea to market. "If it all went perfectly then possibly in two to three years we would have a product, but that's very optimistic.

That was in 2007. Now, in 2011, we still have nothing ... and the same guy says it's A DECADE AWAY. So yeah. Don't ask me why I put the ''troll face'' on Cotsarelis now ..

[Jundam]

Of course there is a reason for the FDA to be in this discussion. If the FDA is just a puppet of the pharmaceutical industry (which many people think they are), then they are going to be acting in the best interest of the pharmaceutical industry and not the general public. Not to mention the FDA being in the hip pocket of all the big lobbyists. If most (if not all) hair-related doctors make their money off of hair transplants, then I doubt they would want any non-surgical procedure cutting into their profit margins. It is common knowledge that the FDA is corrupt, but there are lots of elements of the scientific community that are corrupt as well. Look at the example that I provided with Regenerx. They've had a worldwide patent out for almost 10 years for using the chemical Thymosin Beta 4 to regrow hair. Yet they haven't done anything with it, and since they have a patent on using that chemical for hair growth, only they can use this method to regrow hair. I remember about a year and a half ago, a Korean company called Adistem was going to sell a product containing Thymosin Beta 4 to regrow hair, yet they had to stop after only a couple of months because Regenerx was going to sue the pants off of them. The bottom line with this mess is that either Regenerx can develop a hair regrowth product using Thymosin Beta 4, or no one else can. And Regenerx hasn't even attempted to develop anything in almost 10 years. That right there is a prime example of the scientific community putting their own profit ahead of the health and well-being of the general public.
And it is totally true that one of the main reasons that there is no cure for baldness is because there aren't nearly enough people/companies willing to try new methods on humans. Histogen and Replicel are just two minor exceptions to the rule. Male pattern baldness is such a widespread disease (I call it a disease) yet there are only a handful of companies/people even willing to try to develop any kind of treatment or cure to combat it. How the hell can you even know if something is going to work if its not even tested on humans in the first place? All of the chemicals that I have mentioned (Noggin, BMP inhibitors, Laminin 511) have been said to possibly be able stimulate robust hair growth in humans but nobody is gonna know unless they're tested on humans. Some of these chemicals have been mentioned for more than 10 years to possibly regrow hair in humans yet no one is even trying them out. And if these scientists don't think that these chemicals have any potential to regrow hair in humans, then stop touting them to scientific publications as if they do have some hair regrowth benefit. I can understand if there were a bunch of efforts being tried to regrow hair in humans and they somehow failed to do so. Then I would at least know that the companies and scientists are trying to do something to combat hair loss. But there are hardly any new efforts to do so at all.
Your calling me "blind to simple reasoning" is just absolutely ridiculous and frankly you don't know what you're talking about. You compare testing more potential hair regrowth solutions to Mengele's methods, and I'm supposedly "blind to simple reasoning"? Yeah right. Ever since I started losing my hair, all I've been doing is researching potential methods to regrow hair so I know quite a bit about chemicals like Noggin and Laminin 511 because I've read the scientific studies on their potential to regrow hair. I've e-mailed more than 100 of these scientists and even talked to several of them on the phone. So I do know what I'm talking about.
And you say you're not on "some other team against me", yet more than half of your posts on here are spent arguing with me.

Frankly didn't come here to lecture or be lectured. I just wanted to try and explain something but you're obviously too stuck on your side of things to even have a glimpse at the other so I'll just leave you there in your own little world. Enjoy.

[RichardDawkins]

What are you talking about i lost track

[Kiwi]

I know. This is more painful to read then the tx32 thread... Or whatever that snakeoil BS is called.

The way I see it is that the FDA etc are what they are. Writing 10,000 words here ain't gonna change shit or speed anything up. You can believe whatever you want. You may be right. You might not be. Either way it's futile and irralivant because you're not getting a new head of hair until the work is done and it'll be done under there watch in there time and not yours.

Here.... Nobody hears your screams. Especially not the FDA and especially not the good scientists working on mice. Or even the bad ones.

You're depressed. Angry too. But so am I.

I just pray that they hurry up. This has been the worst waiting game I've ever played :(

[Mojo Risin]

If there's no ''cure'' in my lifetime (I'm 22), and I'm almost Norwood 4 ... this is going to be one freakin' miserable life.

Because nope, a bald head really doesn't fit me at all, I'd see myself on the street and I'd say ''Holy shit that dude is one ugly ****''. And seeing my father with all is hair is even more humiliating. I was ugly with hair .. so imagine without it !

Premature baldness is the worst thing that could happen to me .. hope we have a solution within the next decade ..

[Kiwi]

I'm hearing you bro!! Stay positive - I think it's going to happen. Too much money in it for it not too... At least we're all in the same boat :)

[Jundam]

Agreed. I have a fairly good shape on the head but it's a little too big for my taste and it really is disheartening to be forced into showing it off on a daily basis. Feels like it takes away so much from the rest of what you are. I got lucky and went from monk-like bald spot opening up to a full head of hair with the big three though. But as I mentioned there's a time limit on the top of my head and I really don't want to hit that limit.

I'm positive that there'll be a superior treatment within the next decade though. I believe stem cell research will keep picking up pace and and I see several possible treatments trial right now. Histogen, Replicel and CB-03-01 in particular. As far as an actual cure goes however I think you'd need gene therapy. That on the other hand is far off.

[Sogeking]

...
You're depressed. Angry too. But so am I.

I just pray that they hurry up. This has been the worst waiting game I've ever played :(

Its like hide and seek, but all we do is seeking...

[dkayla77]

Agreed. I have a fairly good shape on the head but it's a little too big for my taste and it really is disheartening to be forced into showing it off on a daily basis. Feels like it takes away so much from the rest of what you are. I got lucky and went from monk-like bald spot opening up to a full head of hair with the big three though. But as I mentioned there's a time limit on the top of my head and I really don't want to hit that limit.

I'm positive that there'll be a superior treatment within the next decade though. I believe stem cell research will keep picking up pace and and I see several possible treatments trial right now. Histogen, Replicel and CB-03-01 in particular. As far as an actual cure goes however I think you'd need gene therapy. That on the other hand is far off.

congrats on your success....but there's no time limit on your head

most people who have success with propecia will continue to have success and only slowly will you have hair loss.....not noticeable over the long time, and normal as per normal ageing.

propecia is the key.

[UK_]

Agreed. I have a fairly good shape on the head but it's a little too big for my taste and it really is disheartening to be forced into showing it off on a daily basis. Feels like it takes away so much from the rest of what you are. I got lucky and went from monk-like bald spot opening up to a full head of hair with the big three though. But as I mentioned there's a time limit on the top of my head and I really don't want to hit that limit.

I'm positive that there'll be a superior treatment within the next decade though. I believe stem cell research will keep picking up pace and and I see several possible treatments trial right now. Histogen, Replicel and CB-03-01 in particular. As far as an actual cure goes however I think you'd need gene therapy. That on the other hand is far off.

Chrissake, Histogen IS gene therapy.

[Jundam]

Chrissake, Histogen IS gene therapy.

I meant gene therapy in the sense that it actually eliminated the condition. Histogen is a treatment not a cure.

[Jundam]

congrats on your success....but there's no time limit on your head

most people who have success with propecia will continue to have success and only slowly will you have hair loss.....not noticeable over the long time, and normal as per normal ageing.

propecia is the key.

Far as I've read Propecia usually lasts you 8 or so years if it works. Some people make it a lot longer, others less. Not that there's any real science backing that up but all things I've read indicates it slows hair loss but doesn't stop it and you will eventually return to a state of balding.

[DepressedByHairLoss]

Jundam, don't tell me I'm stuck in my own little world; you don't know me and you don't know what you're talking about when you make those kinds of claims. I didn't come here to be lectured either but every time I post something (even in another thread), you've got to follow my post and offer your two cents. Whatever man, we disagree. Let's just move on.
Kiwi, I hear what you're saying to a certain degree. We're all angry and frustrated here, especially when having a full head of hair means so much to us. The thing is: it shouldn't have to be this way. We shouldn't have to suffer with hair loss like this and we shouldn't have so very few options to combat our hair loss. Rogaine and Propecia don't do much of anything for most people and most people don't want to deal with the permanent head scarring of a hair transplant. A lot of hair doctors come on here and maybe if they see that some people are not satisfied with the current options, then they will offer more (and less invasive) options. I'm telling you, if we had more Histogens out there, our hair loss problems would be solved a lot sooner than later.
And hopefully we won't have to deal with an FDA timeline as well. Hopefully a hair loss solution will come from overseas so it can bypass the whole FDA altogether.

[Kiwi]

Now you're talking :)