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ResearchNeverfails
06-05-2011, 06:11 PM
Read all of the following. When you get to the point were its a long link copy and paste it in a seperate window it will be a picture of the human head and the arteries. Its very important to reference this picture when I am talking and no matter what you do dont stop reading finish the hole writing. This is all truth and I am making a serious claims about proving hair loss is both controlable and reversable you should be excited to read this if you have been looking for a solution. I feel this writing could make history if I am correct and I feel strongly that I am.

First of all Male Pattern Baldness is not a desease so its not cure however I believe I have not only figured out how to stop and reverse hair loss but I can also tell you exactly why its happening and it wont cost you a cent to fix it. Some estimates say 60% of all Americans will experience some form of MPB or Male Pattern Baldness at some point before there 50th birthday. Some embrace there balding head, many see it as a matter of accepting the uncontrolled but for others itís a fight against time. Until right now Regardless of how you felt about going bald there would have been little that you could have done about it. Contrary to popular belief science actually knows a lot about MPB. MPB accounts for 95% of all balding in men. It happens slowly starting at the temples, then the crown and if left untreated will slowly progress to a full bald head except the sides and lower back of the head. We also know for certain that Dihydrotestosterone or DHT is the main cause of hair loss. What we know is in balding men DHT is excessive in both the scalp and the blood stream. DHT is not the cause however itís the affect. I will explain this shortly. When thinking of balding I would like you consider your mammalian cousins whom have no sign of any form of MPB. Its important to note that MPB and any other form of hair loss are unrelated. I am strictly explaining the cause of MPB the distinct balding starting at the temples seen in male humans only. Think of Cheetah or even your common house cat living in different environments, lack of vast nutrients, really hot weather, often cold weather, none experience balding, ever regardless of the exposures. As a matter of fact no animal in the world has been diagnosed with MPB other then a human. Another question I couldnít ignore is why do women not bald the way men do? We share many parts that are almost identical women internally other then our sex organs and were exposed to the same gene pool and environmental conditions how would it be they are not affected by MPB in the same way we are if they are exposed to so many of the same factors that we are? Its important to not that there are some diseases that affect hair growth in Mammals none are caused by the same reaction happening in MPB. That reaction is a hormonal in balance produced in a few places but mostly and most importantly in the prostate. Our prostate is responsible for producing a fluid that supports the seamen and keeps it alive in the highly acidic vagina. This process is the single cause for hair loss both gradually and progressively. When you ejaculate the prostate turnís testosterone into DHT but it gets worse with frequency. This is not new information there is countless research tying the prostate, DHT, and hair loss. I believe that frequent ejaculation by any means is what causes predisposed people to lose there hair. I know this sounds crazy at first because the lies you have been told about masturbation and frequent sex being good for you but I will enlighten you on the subject. With a gestation period of 9 months even if you had three wives and you got all of them pregnant at separate times in the year the most frequent ejaculation you would have would every few months if you were successful every time. So why then as mostly monogamous species do we ejaculate so frequently and why are we told its good for us. To some unknown degree until further research is done an excessive amount of ejaculation does more then produce excess amounts of DHT which bind to your hair and make you lose it, it also depletes your body because your seamen is the highest concentration of protein, minerals, vitamins, and growth factors. When speaking from a scientific standpoint being a fit individual is the ability to reproduce reproductive offspring. Really being fit is surviving and reproducing in whatever way possible and if you were hungry just trying to survive when our body adapted to its current state frequent ejaculation would not have been an issue your body would have known its limits. So whatís the corporate causing all this excessive ejaculation? Culture, for the most part. Did you know that MPB is much more common in the U.S. , Europe, and Canada. Science claims that Caucasian men are more prone maybe so but if you look around the country there are men of all color experiencing MPB. However the highest porn distribution in the world is in U.S., Europe, and Canada. Kind of ironic donít you think? Think of our culture compared to The Asian culture were MPB is thought to be much less dominate then in Western Countries. They teach self control, we sell sex. Billboards, T.V., internet, porn, the American Manicure age of cloth less, hairless, free for all lifestyle is directly or indirectly increasing your desire to ejaculate and thus creating more DHT in your system. This is in no way my opinion actually science states that every time a man even slightly thinks of sex in any form begins to produce sperm and more often that happens the higher his frequency will be. I also can explain to you why it starts on the top and often varies from person to person but ends up the same way if you go fully bald. Itís a slow process that best will described by looking at the diagram below. Notice how the Carotid Artery brings blood from the heart to the head. You will also notice that there smaller arteries breaking off the first leading to the jaw, then back of head, followed by the top of the head. More importantly in the diagram below I showed you were MPB will progress to if it goes its full cycle. Notice something about the arteries in those areas the weak tips that branch off are were the hair stops growing.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lj2xxyqeK81qdtpx7o1_500.jpg&imgrefurl=http://fyeahanatomy.tumblr.com/post/4310603264/human-head-anatomy-with-external-and-internal&h=449&w=413&sz=129&tbnid=eShen2yx-B2yGM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=83&prev=/search%3Fq%3Darteries%2Bin%2Bthe%2Bhead%26tbm%3Dis ch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=arteries+in+the+head&hl=en&usg=__Oiky61Ogiv5BxLgmw8GiBaRkmuU=&sa=X&ei=aeTrTYK0AbLTiALFvuHhCA&ved=0CDoQ9QEwBA&dur=1778

I believe DHT is actually rejected by the hair follicle because the hair follicles is looking for regular testosterone to activate it as DHT goes up towards your head it gets to the end and does exactly what science already believes it does and in a sense clogs the hair follicles. I think the increased amount of blood flow right at the side and lower part of the head were from the artery diagram you can see there are much bigger arteries and they are also getting what I call priority meaning rather then being bound by DHT they are receiving regular Testosterone like they should. Whatís left Excessive amount of DHT for the ends of these arteries. Look up Norwood scale of MPB if you want to compare it to any diagram of the arteries leading to our head. They all look the same and you will fine a striking resemblance. You will notice why MPB is immune to the sides of your head and lower back. The reason that DHT cant simply be washed out is blood flow is much less at the tips of these arteries especially because we are the only bipedal(wakling on two feet) species whom donít realize that without exercise or something to stimulate blood flow it will slow down to the top of the head. Its believed that the DHT does not allow nutrients and growth factors to enter the hair follicle this is why I will explain the ends of the shown Arteries are like clogged pipes or Imagine a pipe that slowly but surely starting with the tips at the longest point it collects. Think of the different ways that men bald yet the end result will always be the same. Different diagrams will all show the arteries having a similar pattern depending on someoneís head and which areas are the weakest at the furthers points will be the ones stuck building DHT first. Like clogged pipes producing at first patchy hair mosty on the front and crown but eventually every were. But the good news is the follicles are clogged not the arteries! This is very important to understand the pipe in a sense is not clogged but rather the hair follicles which is more like s small chamber off the pipe that usually would take nutrients from blood but that chamber is clogged by the DHT. DHT is not collecting in the arteries but rather in the follicles. This is why things like massages, or the laser comb can increase blood flow doing some good but not showing any results because it doesnít take the DHT out fastest enough to combat anybody still adding DHT to there system. Think of Propecia the only FDA approved medication to actually promote hair growth. Still its not very affective but its affective for some and for a lot it also leads to loss in libido or sexual dysfunction. I wonder if all of the people who Propecia worked for didnít at the very least experience a little less of sex drive. Maybe decreased there frequency just enough. Maybe the medication its self was actually only decreasing libido which they already believed it was shrinking the prostate which would account for the prostate being used less would not be so inflamed. This would also explain for those high libido men who even on Propecia still ejaculate frequently donít see any results at all. I get it now you stop the medication the side affects goes away oh and what else your hair. I canít pretend to know the physical frequency per person. The fact is you might be more sensitive to DHT then the next person and we may go in and out different amounts of ejaculation frequency in any given year which would also explain why there are so many stages of MPB at so many age groups. Did you know the earliest some men will experience MPB will be just after puberty. The only real suggestions I could make sense Iím not even a biology major yet let alone Licensed Practitioner would be to find a balance at just give it a try. If your losing your hair cut your frequency in half and get blood flow to your head to unclog the DHT. You can do that with regular exercising or stretching like touching your toes standing up for 15 second allowing blood flow to come to your head. This is why things like the Laser Comb, Rogaine, or Massaging your head are helpful because youíre increasing blood flow which is mildly unclogging hair follicles and promoting strong hair that you havenít lost. Also at a certain age your prostate produces more DHt no matter what you do but my arguments Is that people are putting too much through frequent ejaculation making them lose there hair a lot earlier. For people very progressed in balding for many years now I believe you will need something like Histogen is promising wither HSC(Hair Stimulating Compound) product to grow all of your hair back and I absolutely believe them ill tell you why. DHT is blocking your hair follicle from getting the important nutrients and growth factors it needs. HSC floods your scalp at the hair follicle level to promote hair growth this is why I believe there will be an end life to HSC meaning it will work but not forever. Continued treatments maybe a few years apart will probably be needed. With that said if you have been bald a really long time you may have to wait until they can reactivate some of those really old dormant follicles. No matter what you canít fight fire with fire which means your ejaculation frequency must go down to see results. If blood flow is unclogging the follicle even slightly and your adding the same amount of DHT back into the follicle you wont see any results. The reason there is so much inconsistency in hair loss and hair loss treatments is your ejaculation rates are never monitored you will have to obtain self discipline to attempt this but if you do it right I believe you will see success. If you look online there are numerous people already suggesting a lot of the ideas that I have stated here. Also I understand some people would go bald to be able to ejaculate every day I neither condone nor condemn them its the choice any person can make I am only stating my Theory which came from connecting dots already put here for me by the scientific community. Contact your Physician for any health related questions. I am a strong believer in if you donít use it you lose it so donít over due my suggestions here every thing is ok in moderation.

RichardDawkins
06-05-2011, 07:02 PM
Why do most Porn stars have a full head of hair? I dont get it.

ResearchNeverfails
06-05-2011, 07:19 PM
Most porn stars dont have a full head of hair. And Porn stars are working by having sex on camera dont forget there are powders and make up that make people look alot different on camera never compare hair to stars of any industry because A. They wouldnt be in the buisness if people didnt want them on camera it dont see the people who get rejected and B. It is very easy to minipulate what someone looks like from Camera.

CVAZBAR
06-05-2011, 08:15 PM
Are you even a Doc or a Scientist?

ResearchNeverfails
06-05-2011, 08:23 PM
No I am neither a doc nor a scientist. My major is Biology but I just took my first science class Physical Anthropology. Still have to take my sciences. Allthough thats irrelevent. With the internet almost everything I have said is proven fact just nobody has connected the dots for some reason. Go look up what causes hair loss. I have studied for weeks on this matter. Its DHT. Look where Dht is made. the prostate and testicles. Answers are already there but its such a variable from person to person nobody has every considered it. Its actually redicuolous nobody is already pointed this out.

ResearchNeverfails
06-05-2011, 08:27 PM
I found a lab that said with a doctors note I can check its 80 dollars im trying to talk them down. All we would need to measure is how frequency in ejaculation would affect DHT. We already know that when you ejaculate it produces DHT and we know that DHT is in the scalp and blood stream of someone loseing there hair. I just need to find out how frequent is too frequent and dont have 500 dollars or so to pay for the couple of tests needed to find out.

PatientlyWaiting
06-05-2011, 08:57 PM
I started getting a receding hairline at 16. At that age I was a virgin and was not jerking off yet.

PatientlyWaiting
06-05-2011, 09:10 PM
How could I have brought my DHT levels down when I was a virgin 16-17 year old losing hair and didn't jack off at the time, by not jerking off?

It would have made sense if at the year I started jerking off, that I start balding. But that's not the case with me.

ResearchNeverfails
06-05-2011, 09:11 PM
Like I said its produced in the prostate and on rare occasions some people may be producing DHT at naturally to high of level at a younge age were you turned on alot very easily even an erection prompts the prostate to begin secreating fluids. Just the fact that you lost your hair at 16 says something was not functioning correctly thats really younge for anybody to begin loseing there hair. Propecia would be benifical in reducing the size and secretions for people in your case. And if you began using it and it helped with out ejaculatons I would bet if you started ejaculating it would counter the affects and you would continue slowly but surely loseing your hair.

ResearchNeverfails
06-05-2011, 09:16 PM
By the way. DHT is not all bad it signals hair on other parts of your body to begin production. Normal levels after puberty are what cause hair to grow every where else and if you had a little too high after puberty I bet it would have gone down I would be willing to bet thats right around the time you started getting hair on your chest to. But to add to the problem people also began masturbating at about that time and in my opinion its sustaing those high levels for long period of time DHT takes a long time to clog the follicles over long period of time in a sense. This is science guys not my facts but what we already know.

HairTalk
06-05-2011, 10:22 PM
Read all of the following. When you get to the point were its a long link copy and paste it in a seperate window it will be a picture of the human head and the arteries. Its very important to reference this picture when I am talking and no matter what you do dont stop reading finish the hole writing. This is all truth and I am making a serious claims about proving hair loss is both controlable and reversable you should be excited to read this if you have been looking for a solution. I feel this writing could make history if I am correct and I feel strongly that I am.

First of all Male Pattern Baldness is not a desease so its not cure however I believe I have not only figured out how to stop and reverse hair loss but I can also tell you exactly why its happening and it wont cost you a cent to fix it. Some estimates say 60% of all Americans will experience some form of MPB or Male Pattern Baldness at some point before there 50th birthday. Some embrace there balding head, many see it as a matter of accepting the uncontrolled but for others itís a fight against time. Until right now Regardless of how you felt about going bald there would have been little that you could have done about it. Contrary to popular belief science actually knows a lot about MPB. MPB accounts for 95% of all balding in men. It happens slowly starting at the temples, then the crown and if left untreated will slowly progress to a full bald head except the sides and lower back of the head. We also know for certain that Dihydrotestosterone or DHT is the main cause of hair loss. What we know is in balding men DHT is excessive in both the scalp and the blood stream. DHT is not the cause however itís the affect. I will explain this shortly. When thinking of balding I would like you consider your mammalian cousins whom have no sign of any form of MPB. Its important to note that MPB and any other form of hair loss are unrelated. I am strictly explaining the cause of MPB the distinct balding starting at the temples seen in male humans only. Think of Cheetah or even your common house cat living in different environments, lack of vast nutrients, really hot weather, often cold weather, none experience balding, ever regardless of the exposures. As a matter of fact no animal in the world has been diagnosed with MPB other then a human. Another question I couldnít ignore is why do women not bald the way men do? We share many parts that are almost identical women internally other then our sex organs and were exposed to the same gene pool and environmental conditions how would it be they are not affected by MPB in the same way we are if they are exposed to so many of the same factors that we are? Its important to not that there are some diseases that affect hair growth in Mammals none are caused by the same reaction happening in MPB. That reaction is a hormonal in balance produced in a few places but mostly and most importantly in the prostate. Our prostate is responsible for producing a fluid that supports the seamen and keeps it alive in the highly acidic vagina. This process is the single cause for hair loss both gradually and progressively. When you ejaculate the prostate turnís testosterone into DHT but it gets worse with frequency. This is not new information there is countless research tying the prostate, DHT, and hair loss. I believe that frequent ejaculation by any means is what causes predisposed people to lose there hair. I know this sounds crazy at first because the lies you have been told about masturbation and frequent sex being good for you but I will enlighten you on the subject. With a gestation period of 9 months even if you had three wives and you got all of them pregnant at separate times in the year the most frequent ejaculation you would have would every few months if you were successful every time. So why then as mostly monogamous species do we ejaculate so frequently and why are we told its good for us. To some unknown degree until further research is done an excessive amount of ejaculation does more then produce excess amounts of DHT which bind to your hair and make you lose it, it also depletes your body because your seamen is the highest concentration of protein, minerals, vitamins, and growth factors. When speaking from a scientific standpoint being a fit individual is the ability to reproduce reproductive offspring. Really being fit is surviving and reproducing in whatever way possible and if you were hungry just trying to survive when our body adapted to its current state frequent ejaculation would not have been an issue your body would have known its limits. So whatís the corporate causing all this excessive ejaculation? Culture, for the most part. Did you know that MPB is much more common in the U.S. , Europe, and Canada. Science claims that Caucasian men are more prone maybe so but if you look around the country there are men of all color experiencing MPB. However the highest porn distribution in the world is in U.S., Europe, and Canada. Kind of ironic donít you think? Think of our culture compared to The Asian culture were MPB is thought to be much less dominate then in Western Countries. They teach self control, we sell sex. Billboards, T.V., internet, porn, the American Manicure age of cloth less, hairless, free for all lifestyle is directly or indirectly increasing your desire to ejaculate and thus creating more DHT in your system. This is in no way my opinion actually science states that every time a man even slightly thinks of sex in any form begins to produce sperm and more often that happens the higher his frequency will be. I also can explain to you why it starts on the top and often varies from person to person but ends up the same way if you go fully bald. Itís a slow process that best will described by looking at the diagram below. Notice how the Carotid Artery brings blood from the heart to the head. You will also notice that there smaller arteries breaking off the first leading to the jaw, then back of head, followed by the top of the head. More importantly in the diagram below I showed you were MPB will progress to if it goes its full cycle. Notice something about the arteries in those areas the weak tips that branch off are were the hair stops growing.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lj2xxyqeK81qdtpx7o1_500.jpg&imgrefurl=http://fyeahanatomy.tumblr.com/post/4310603264/human-head-anatomy-with-external-and-internal&h=449&w=413&sz=129&tbnid=eShen2yx-B2yGM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=83&prev=/search%3Fq%3Darteries%2Bin%2Bthe%2Bhead%26tbm%3Dis ch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=arteries+in+the+head&hl=en&usg=__Oiky61Ogiv5BxLgmw8GiBaRkmuU=&sa=X&ei=aeTrTYK0AbLTiALFvuHhCA&ved=0CDoQ9QEwBA&dur=1778

I believe DHT is actually rejected by the hair follicle because the hair follicles is looking for regular testosterone to activate it as DHT goes up towards your head it gets to the end and does exactly what science already believes it does and in a sense clogs the hair follicles. I think the increased amount of blood flow right at the side and lower part of the head were from the artery diagram you can see there are much bigger arteries and they are also getting what I call priority meaning rather then being bound by DHT they are receiving regular Testosterone like they should. Whatís left Excessive amount of DHT for the ends of these arteries. Look up Norwood scale of MPB if you want to compare it to any diagram of the arteries leading to our head. They all look the same and you will fine a striking resemblance. You will notice why MPB is immune to the sides of your head and lower back. The reason that DHT cant simply be washed out is blood flow is much less at the tips of these arteries especially because we are the only bipedal(wakling on two feet) species whom donít realize that without exercise or something to stimulate blood flow it will slow down to the top of the head. Its believed that the DHT does not allow nutrients and growth factors to enter the hair follicle this is why I will explain the ends of the shown Arteries are like clogged pipes or Imagine a pipe that slowly but surely starting with the tips at the longest point it collects. Think of the different ways that men bald yet the end result will always be the same. Different diagrams will all show the arteries having a similar pattern depending on someoneís head and which areas are the weakest at the furthers points will be the ones stuck building DHT first. Like clogged pipes producing at first patchy hair mosty on the front and crown but eventually every were. But the good news is the follicles are clogged not the arteries! This is very important to understand the pipe in a sense is not clogged but rather the hair follicles which is more like s small chamber off the pipe that usually would take nutrients from blood but that chamber is clogged by the DHT. DHT is not collecting in the arteries but rather in the follicles. This is why things like massages, or the laser comb can increase blood flow doing some good but not showing any results because it doesnít take the DHT out fastest enough to combat anybody still adding DHT to there system. Think of Propecia the only FDA approved medication to actually promote hair growth. Still its not very affective but its affective for some and for a lot it also leads to loss in libido or sexual dysfunction. I wonder if all of the people who Propecia worked for didnít at the very least experience a little less of sex drive. Maybe decreased there frequency just enough. Maybe the medication its self was actually only decreasing libido which they already believed it was shrinking the prostate which would account for the prostate being used less would not be so inflamed. This would also explain for those high libido men who even on Propecia still ejaculate frequently donít see any results at all. I get it now you stop the medication the side affects goes away oh and what else your hair. I canít pretend to know the physical frequency per person. The fact is you might be more sensitive to DHT then the next person and we may go in and out different amounts of ejaculation frequency in any given year which would also explain why there are so many stages of MPB at so many age groups. Did you know the earliest some men will experience MPB will be just after puberty. The only real suggestions I could make sense Iím not even a biology major yet let alone Licensed Practitioner would be to find a balance at just give it a try. If your losing your hair cut your frequency in half and get blood flow to your head to unclog the DHT. You can do that with regular exercising or stretching like touching your toes standing up for 15 second allowing blood flow to come to your head. This is why things like the Laser Comb, Rogaine, or Massaging your head are helpful because youíre increasing blood flow which is mildly unclogging hair follicles and promoting strong hair that you havenít lost. Also at a certain age your prostate produces more DHt no matter what you do but my arguments Is that people are putting too much through frequent ejaculation making them lose there hair a lot earlier. For people very progressed in balding for many years now I believe you will need something like Histogen is promising wither HSC(Hair Stimulating Compound) product to grow all of your hair back and I absolutely believe them ill tell you why. DHT is blocking your hair follicle from getting the important nutrients and growth factors it needs. HSC floods your scalp at the hair follicle level to promote hair growth this is why I believe there will be an end life to HSC meaning it will work but not forever. Continued treatments maybe a few years apart will probably be needed. With that said if you have been bald a really long time you may have to wait until they can reactivate some of those really old dormant follicles. No matter what you canít fight fire with fire which means your ejaculation frequency must go down to see results. If blood flow is unclogging the follicle even slightly and your adding the same amount of DHT back into the follicle you wont see any results. The reason there is so much inconsistency in hair loss and hair loss treatments is your ejaculation rates are never monitored you will have to obtain self discipline to attempt this but if you do it right I believe you will see success. If you look online there are numerous people already suggesting a lot of the ideas that I have stated here. Also I understand some people would go bald to be able to ejaculate every day I neither condone nor condemn them its the choice any person can make I am only stating my Theory which came from connecting dots already put here for me by the scientific community. Contact your Physician for any health related questions. I am a strong believer in if you donít use it you lose it so donít over due my suggestions here every thing is ok in moderation.

**** off.'

PatientlyWaiting
06-05-2011, 10:32 PM
By the way. DHT is not all bad it signals hair on other parts of your body to begin production. Normal levels after puberty are what cause hair to grow every where else and if you had a little too high after puberty I bet it would have gone down I would be willing to bet thats right around the time you started getting hair on your chest to. But to add to the problem people also began masturbating at about that time and in my opinion its sustaing those high levels for long period of time DHT takes a long time to clog the follicles over long period of time in a sense. This is science guys not my facts but what we already know.

I didn't start getting hair on my chest until 20-21. In fact I don't grow much chest hair even now[i'm 22]. My father either, so I guess it's genetic.

ResearchNeverfails
06-05-2011, 10:53 PM
Genetically predisposed or not if you keep your dht levels down through less ejaculation and increase blood flow to your head even now I would bet you turn that **** off into a Thank You after atleast some of your hair grew back.

AgainstThis
06-05-2011, 11:44 PM
What a lot of ****ing bullshit.

PatientlyWaiting
06-06-2011, 01:09 AM
**** off.'

Thanks for quoting him. Now we all have to scroll down for all eternity. Just to read the posts in page 2.

Gubter_87
06-06-2011, 01:55 AM
I actually do believe that you are trying to help and it is obvious you have given this a lot of thought. However, just by skimming through your text I can point out a lot of flaws in your theory which is a good example of pseudoscience.

First of all: No, DHT is not in excess in balding men. The difference between balding men and non balding men is the signalling cascade that it activates in the hair follicle, not the actual serum amount of it.

The reason women do not go bald is because they do not carry that Y-chromosome. A result of that is that they lack one of the genes that have been found to cause balding and they also have significantly lower amounts of androgens.

Also DHT is not rejected by follicles. On the contrary DHT actually bind to the same receptor as testosterone, but with a much higher affinity. So by your theory the DHT would be the hormone that is "used up" early on in the blood stream.

However your theory is flawed there to as DHT is actually produced from testosterone in the skin and hair follicles themselves and the circulating amount of it probably do not play a significant role in the process.

Finasteride if effective, not by decreasing libido, but by decreasing the activity of the enzyme 5ar that converts testosterone to DHT which equals lesser amount of high affinity bindning to the receptor and therefore a decrease in the signalling cascade it causes.

This is by no means meant to shoot you down in any way as I said I am sure that you are actually just trying to help people.
However the theory and the (lack of) science behind it is flawed and my personal opinion is that there is no link between masturbation and hair loss.

UK_
06-06-2011, 02:55 AM
If your theory holds true then why are products and drugs that contradict your proposed methods so effective? I.e. Propecia?

jncogt14
06-06-2011, 06:27 AM
Few things to hair loss.

1) unless DHT production is halted, it is going to get to the scalp and bind to the receptor sites no matter what.
2) believe it or not, if balding was in the cards you were dealt and you actually begin to bald, be thankful for a nice and healthy immune system because it's doing exactly what its supposed to do.

Cardiovascular exercise technically in theory would speed up mpb because of the bodies more healthy and efficient state (not because the body produces more DHT from exercise.) Terrible huh? But balding is not a flaw of human evolution, society only leads us to believe it's a flaw. Some people claim exercise haults balding like it is some kind of cvd, cad etc etc. Let's say you have this nice little well shaped nose as a child, then as you get older, that thing turns into a honker! Is there a cure? Sure.. find a drug that throws the whole body into G0. ( kidding of course) but there is no difference.

I didnt read the whole thing, but a cure is not the correct word for something perfectly healthy and normal. Prolong, sure.. but not cure.

HairTalk
06-06-2011, 07:19 AM
Thanks for quoting him. Now we all have to scroll down for all eternity. Just to read the posts in page 2.

**** off.

L.O.L. I'd hope there's not too much traffic to this thread, anyway.

ResearchNeverfails
06-06-2011, 10:06 AM
If you read my first statment said it was not a cure bucause MPB is not a desease


Few things to hair loss.

1) unless DHT production is halted, it is going to get to the scalp and bind to the receptor sites no matter what.
2) believe it or not, if balding was in the cards you were dealt and you actually begin to bald, be thankful for a nice and healthy immune system because it's doing exactly what its supposed to do.

Cardiovascular exercise technically in theory would speed up mpb because of the bodies more healthy and efficient state (not because the body produces more DHT from exercise.) Terrible huh? But balding is not a flaw of human evolution, society only leads us to believe it's a flaw. Some people claim exercise haults balding like it is some kind of cvd, cad etc etc. Let's say you have this nice little well shaped nose as a child, then as you get older, that thing turns into a honker! Is there a cure? Sure.. find a drug that throws the whole body into G0. ( kidding of course) but there is no difference.

I didnt read the whole thing, but a cure is not the correct word for something perfectly healthy and normal. Prolong, sure.. but not cure.

RichardDawkins
06-06-2011, 10:42 AM
Its Pseudo Science nothing more sorry, you had some really good points but you destroyed it all with strange stuff

UK_
06-06-2011, 10:44 AM
**** off.

L.O.L. I'd hope there's not too much traffic to this thread, anyway.

I think the whole thing needed an apt response anyway.

I wouldn't even go as far as describing it as psuedo-science - its rubbish - thats all, he came on here acting like he really had the cure - and this is what he pulls out? What a joke! I mean really! This is worse than the Chinese procedures that aim to suck "toxic chemicals and DHT from the scalp" by the use of needles and a box of Kleenex, no offence, but the guy can barely string a coherent sentence together without littering it with spelling errors and he purports to have the cure for hair loss? Ha! Try "researching" this garbage and you're sure to fail.

Follicle Death Row
06-06-2011, 12:47 PM
Lads I have the cure, no really I do. Especially for those just beginning to miniturise. Hear me out lads, this will work. You mightn't like it but here goes: Castration!!!:D Problem solved. You can thank me later...or not.

ResearchNeverfails
06-06-2011, 02:24 PM
Ok so i found some science that says everything I said was wrong. Can I deleate this thread so people dont think im crazy.

67mph
06-06-2011, 02:34 PM
Spell check PW, spell check!

UK_
06-06-2011, 03:23 PM
Hello.... I have just cured mortality.

Please.... hear me out.... see.... when you die... you dont actually die.... you go to this wondrous place to meet this amazing bearded man who has now the choice of either sending you to a pointless eternity in hellfire or an equally pointless eternity in paradise.

RichardDawkins
06-06-2011, 04:38 PM
I can tel you Research what a cure looks like ok an bear with me on this

Assume that all Docs are performing FUE. Now assume that everyone of them can get an 80 to 90% regrowth rate in the donor area.

Now assume you are NW6. Now assume you allow them to etract 4000 Grafts from your donor to fill in your front. Now assume 80% does regrow.

Now assume that after a year you can come back and get another fine round of 4000 grafts (other side or your doc is very ****y to get the donor harvested) and put them right behind your first 4000.

You have 8000 Grafts or 16.000 hairs. An average head has around 100.000 hairs. Now assume you could go on and on with this and even harvest from the transplanted hair in the recipient side as well.

Wat would this give you? A solution but not a cure. Also dont forget you could use plucked hairs as well.

You see if you got your whole head fixed with that you could spank the monkey all day long and eat DHT exaggering pills just for sheer fun ok.

To me and iam honest here if the first FUE specialist here can come up with consistent 80 to 90% donor regrowth, i will book an appotinemnt for 4000 grafts just for fun reasons and then i will work from the front to the vertex area.

And NOOOOOO i wont eat Propecia because i simply know my luck. They have a solution and exactly one month after iam fixed my dick wont work again forever. Yeah forget it buddy.

Infinity
06-06-2011, 07:00 PM
Hello, I;m a woman, and I noticed one of the recent posts here began to explain why women don't go bald. Well, I'm here to announce we do go bald! At a later age and a lesser degree, but I tell you, it looks horrible.

Will a DHT blocker work on a woman? I'm really in tears over this and running out of things I haven't already tried.
Thanks

Samiam
06-14-2011, 06:27 PM
Few things to hair loss.

1) unless DHT production is halted, it is going to get to the scalp and bind to the receptor sites no matter what.
2) believe it or not, if balding was in the cards you were dealt and you actually begin to bald, be thankful for a nice and healthy immune system because it's doing exactly what its supposed to do.

Then what about all the un-healthy balding men out there. What about all the healthy non-balding men out there?

FloridaGuy587
06-15-2011, 12:36 AM
Very Nice read,

I found your article thought provoking and well transversed. Its obvious some of these ignorant posters did not read your article entirely and there is only one rebuttle that has some validity in it (poster discussing chromsomes in men and women).

I believe though there is some validity in your post. Also to add there is a scientific link between prostate cancer and bald men, I find that relative to your topic.

On a personal note, I must add - I work out a lot and take a variety of supplements. One supplement in particular expands the arteries and blood vessals throughout the body. The reason it does this is so the arties can pump more proteins/nutrients/water etc to my muscles to help decrease the recovery time, thus increasing muscle gain in a short period of time...

Anyway, what I'm getting at is the supplement increased blood flow throughout my whole body and I've noticed when I'm on my supplement cycles, I don't see hair in my palms or goin down the drain when I take a shower or in the comb as much vs. the weeks I'm off my supplement cycles. Just something interesting to add and think about.

auglen
06-15-2011, 01:34 AM
I completely get your reasoning.
I'm not too sure about the exact links here, a lot of those might not be completely valid.
It's inevitable that it sparks a lot of controversy given how sex is so important to most people. If you went on to say how reducing fast food intake helped you to minimize hair loss people might not agree, but they definitely would not be all over you. Say it has to do with sex and they go crazy.

Look, I have no idea if it will indeed work. We know castration works (100% at stopping, reversal perhaps slight), we know ejaculation affects the hormones, but have no reliable long term studies (too hard to conduct). There's only the short term effect on testosterone study that proves crap. (not only because of it being a short term study, but it can be interpreted to support either side).
So it's not as if it's a sure thing, far from it. But there are valid reasons to think of looking into it.
As some of you know I'm completely abstaining from any sexual activity whatsoever and I will keep you updated. As far as it goes I'm still not sure whether what I'm seeing is regrowth or miniaturization, perhaps in 3-4-5 months it shall be more obvious as those hairs go on growing.

Want to try - try it, don't want to - don't, but god dammit don't call anybody that does stupid or call everyone on a non FDA approved treatment stupid.

If I was trying out saw palmetto everybody would be OK about it, when you're trying something controversial you have to be careful about every single word because the haters will jump on you if you make a slightest mistake in your reasoning.
I think you all should in fact encourage anything that sounds wacky too you, if we will keep on doing the same stuff we will find no cure, we have to have people trying new things and if you don't want to then why not have somebody else do that for you?

If somebody want to put feces on his head go ahead, I'm not going to do that, but if you want to I want to know how it went along, I've got nothing to loose from listening to you.
And ejaculation is very very far from the wacky category and far more reasonable then a lot of popular alternative treatments out there. Some people obviously just don't want that to be true, and hey I'm not surprised. I bet smokers didn't want the cancer thing to be true either, why would they? (and again being careful - please do not interpret it as in insult to your anybodies, I know many of you don't think it's going to work based on your logical reasoning and that's great. I'm only talking about haters here.)

Follicle Death Row
06-15-2011, 02:14 AM
Oh dear. I really hope the believers in this are in fact trolls. Yes castrated men never lose hair but DHT in the scalp is only the match that lights the fire so to speak. It is far more complex.

RichardDawkins
06-16-2011, 06:47 AM
Follicle Death i really hope so too because what they say here is way beyond anything and could be placed in the category of people who still believe

"If you are bald your hair is dead and gone" not knowing its still there but minituarized.

DHT is just the thing which keeps your stem cells to interact with each other.

Can this fact be manipulated, yes it can in multiplie ways.

Man i am so thankful that we have some options today and not so many of those obvious trolls here.

Hair loss has nothing to do with you spanking your monkey or getting castrated good lord.

The DHT prohibits the stem cells to work with each other and therefore the hair cant grow because of the lack of nutrious so to speak.

If you restart this process then your hair will grow again its simple as that

ITNEVERRAINS
06-16-2011, 07:30 AM
Trolls are pretty easy to spot, they have limited post counts and agree with bullshit ideas. Like some asshole with 4 post on a hair blog that took an intro biology class had a revelation that a licensed medical professional just whiffed on.

Yeah, I know my post are low as well, but i'm not selling snake oil, I piss in it. The focus right now is the regenerative studies. If that works, as one poster said, i'll drink DHT smoothies.

David99
06-16-2011, 08:15 AM
What I don't understand is how this is new, we all know there are some correlations between DHT and hair loss, for example weightlifters are more likely to lose hair. That doesn't mean all weightlifters will go bald, or if you're lazy and never have sex you'll definitely keep your hair! Surely everyone knows it's a bit more complicated than that?

One thing is bothering me in particular, several times "castrated men never lose hair" has been stated as a fact, who the hell has measured that? Where did they get a significant number of castrated men from nowadays? Sounds like a very suspect fact to me.

@ITNEVERRAINS my post count is low too, but I only ever have time to go on forums once every few months and prefer reading than speaking, does that make my opinions worth less? Don't really think so.

Follicle Death Row
06-16-2011, 08:49 AM
What I don't understand is how this is new, we all know there are some correlations between DHT and hair loss, for example weightlifters are more likely to lose hair. That doesn't mean all weightlifters will go bald, or if you're lazy and never have sex you'll definitely keep your hair! Surely everyone knows it's a bit more complicated than that?

One thing is bothering me in particular, several times "castrated men never lose hair" has been stated as a fact, who the hell has measured that? Where did they get a significant number of castrated men from nowadays? Sounds like a very suspect fact to me.

@ITNEVERRAINS my post count is low too, but I only ever have time to go on forums once every few months and prefer reading than speaking, does that make my opinions worth less? Don't really think so.

It's true is so far as they will not lose hair due androgenic alopecia or male pattern baldness. In the 1950s a young man in a mental asylum was castrated in order to calm him. Meanwhile on the outside his twin brother lost hair over the years. In an experiment they then injected a castrated man with testosterone to see if it had an effect. Sure enough he began losing hair.

There is a human model for those that are deficient in 5 alpha reductase, the enzyme that converts T to DHT. Many men in the Dominican Republic are born with this genetic condition. They don't go bald. Look it up.

DHT binds to the androgen receptors in the hair follicle and this relays a signal on the problematic signalling pathway (in the wnt pathway). This causes the body to attack the hair follicles and thus miniturisation begins. It's actually very complex. As I've said before Histogen could probably induce robust growth tomorrow but what would be the side effects?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Signal_transduction_pathways.png

auglen
06-16-2011, 11:57 AM
I really don't know why you're calling us trolls. Nobody is screaming "you're bald because you're wanking". I have written a long post already and some more in my own topic so I won't reitterate here.
Some of the haters have clearly not even read my post or the op's. Keep in mind that op's claims are a little different from mine, I only think what I've written myself. But I believe his intentions are very similiar. Of course he shouldn't have named the topic that way and is a little too certain, but still far from being a troll.
It's great if you want to argue but lets resort to arguments not insults.
I have simply stated why I believe it might have some effect (some effect, no not a cure). If you think there is a flaw in the logic that I presented please point it out. And there are probably many, so constructive criticism could help me rephrase it or perhapss totally dismiss the hypothesis.
But please, don't be calling people trolls, it serves no puropse. It only invites flame wars. Lets keep the debate civil.

Infinity
06-16-2011, 07:55 PM
Gentleman,
To answer your question "how much is too Much" (ejaculating). There is a chart in a book I have on Chinese medicine called Tao. The suggested rates are as follows:
Up to age 25, daily is permitted. There after, only 4=5 times per week. By age 40, 3 times er week, in your 50's twice per week and after age 60 no more often than once per week. So, the frequency on which you can ejaculate without suffering health consequences is directly related to your age. I didn't write this book I only read it, so please don't yell at me!

Now, can any of you tell me how I, a woman, can lower MY DHT levels? I'm going bald too! (And I almost never er..., ejaculate).

RichardDawkins
06-16-2011, 09:33 PM
Maybe you should masturbate then.

auglen
06-16-2011, 09:37 PM
Gentleman,
To answer your question "how much is too Much" (ejaculating). There is a chart in a book I have on Chinese medicine called Tao. The suggested rates are as follows:
Up to age 25, daily is permitted. There after, only 4=5 times per week. By age 40, 3 times er week, in your 50's twice per week and after age 60 no more often than once per week. So, the frequency on which you can ejaculate without suffering health consequences is directly related to your age. I didn't write this book I only read it, so please don't yell at me!

Now, can any of you tell me how I, a woman, can lower MY DHT levels? I'm going bald too! (And I almost never er..., ejaculate).

If we're on china already then I might add that there is an interesting Chinese celibacy/anti-masturbation forum (I know Chinese) where people claim various benefits to celibacy and stopping hair loss is one that they often claim. There's even a section on their forum solely devoted to that.

Too bad most of the people there are full of ideological beliefs and virtually none have any knowledge about male pattern baldness. So even though the number of people reporting gains might not be that small, but their quality is crap, so they are not to be believed. I'd rather have 3 smart individuals confirm it did something for them than a bigger bunch of Chinese idiots who have seen their hair regrow along with their face getting prettier (no not acne, some claimed they were getting uglier because of masturbating).
I have seen only maybe 1 or 2 people that here described it in a believable way, but still with some holes.

Hair loss being related to masturbation is a pretty common belief in China, common in the sense that it does not spark the controversy it does here, it's something a lot of people have heard of there. Which again is only reflective of Chinese societies attitude towards sex rather than the hypothesis being true. After all the masturbation causes blindness story has been around too.

What is more interesting is if their attitude towards masturbation does indeed make people do it less. If men in Asia really did masturbate much less it would be extremely interesting. The problem is the more negative the attitude is the harder it is to get the data.

EDIT:
Oh, and the option that there might be an optimal amount of masturbation/sexual activity is definitely not off the table. I'd say it's mostly about how it affects our hormones. And so far we don't really know much about it, so if masturbation can affect hair loss it does not automatically translate to no masturbation bringing the best results. The only study we have is the short term effect on T levels.
If it is about the optimal amount rather than abstaining as much as possible then it will be even harder to prove the relationship.

BaldingBackwards
06-16-2011, 10:47 PM
Im glad to see so many people responding to my topic. I have much more to report my original doubt came from a scientist from a research team who was very informed on the matter. Her doubt to me all though she said I made interesting points was that the circulating levels of DHT in men from bald and not don't vary. They are pretty much the same and have not found good evidence that cirulating levels matter. This first brought doubt but then revelation. They do not beileve DHT is circulating in and out of your hair follicle. No they already believe that DHT builds up in your hair follicle which is why you see minitureization happen which is your hair getting smaller and smaller as the follicle gets more and more clogged by DHT untill it stops getting your nutrient rich blood at all. So this is why they dont find cirulating levels because it doesnt ciruclate for long it gets clogged with blood ciruclation speeds through you entire body from 1-3 minutes you would have to test your DHT very quick after an ejaculation to test the amount. I have checked nobody has ever done that before but that didn't stop me. Did 6 tests. One before, One within a minute after, one two minutes later, one five minutes, and another ten minutes later. Just to follow up I did one more seven hours later. I never doubted the theory and the reason asians already know this is obvious if you compare there MPB rates with ours. I will post the results on here no later then Monday. And Greece did a 92 person study on this already the soldiers all in the early twentys had higher levels of DHT if they ejaculated more often. Also there has been another study out recently involving early signs of prostate cancer ironically early balding is that sign. Another good indicator is facial hair. I stated originally that DHT causes hair on other parts of your body, I was close but not quite. It is actually soley responsible for facial hair and usually your body puts out a high amount around 16 to begin the growth of facial hair. Unfortunately alot of kids also start in this country masturbating around that time. DHT spiking up is normal when your in the womb to promote your genitals growing they tell you to become a man ironically that large amount of DHT seems to affect women in my opion seeings how alot of women lose there hair and then grow it back after birth. I can't tell you all of this is concrete but I will tell you that if my tests come back the way I think then I would have to conclude my theory to be almost completeloy accurate. Thanks for reading everyonen I will let you know

BaldingBackwards
06-16-2011, 11:15 PM
This is Research Never Fails

auglen
06-16-2011, 11:18 PM
How are you conducting the test yourself?
Do you have links to the Greek study?
What you wrote is a little messy.
Circulating levels do not matter and do not vary, but Greek soldiers that ejaculated more had higher circulating levels?

Very interesting, keep us posted.

BaldingBackwards
06-17-2011, 12:18 AM
No circulating levels would be up they tested multiple times per day. The link is at my work computer I will post it tomorrow. The thing that I am saying they have never tested is DHT blood levels right after ejaculation. I am testing that my self. I had my doctor order 15 DHT test this is very unsual as you would imagine she was at first skeptical. Anyway she went with it and I went to the lab gave blood the first time without ejaculating in two weeks on 6/10/2011.After I gave blood I asked to use the Restroom(safely and sanitarily ejaculated, washed my hands, and as I was counting gave blood for the second time 60 seconds after ejaculating at 11:12AM. The next blood draws were at 11:17, 11:25 and then again later at 7:30. I an no scientist but I also am no dummy and research at the lower level even in college student like me happens every day atleast my theory is testable.

BaldingBackwards
06-17-2011, 12:20 AM
Circulating levels only matter when your checking numerous times per day becase I imagine it takes some time for DHT to stop circulating after its bound to hair follicles and other parts of your body. So if they tested once a day and most people tested when maybe they hadnt ejaculated sense the day before or atleast hours later your wouldn't see the spike that would happen after ejaculation and the more often you do that and the less blood flow you get to your head to wash it out the faster or quicker you will go bald. This ant science but its testible so we will see.

auglen
06-17-2011, 12:53 AM
Yea, I get that part. Just didn't know how the Greek study related to this.

Surprised nobody has thought about it. Looking forward to the results.

RichardDawkins
06-17-2011, 03:12 AM
Yeah right two trolls (one and the same person) are discussing nonsense.

First of all take all those ‹ber Christian NO masturbation stuff, grab the bible, put it all in a little basket...... and burn it.

Why do people lose hair who are not masturbating at all? The correct amount of masturbation? Yeah and i heared that in Boston, they invented something called Bicycle, i doubt it will some day replace horse and carriage.

Right you spanked your monkey and then gave blood, of course your pressure is higher because you were exited because you wanked at a place where you could easily been spot and then fear consequences.

Good lord

auglen
06-17-2011, 03:19 AM
Yeah right two trolls (one and the same person) are discussing nonsense.

First of all take all those ‹ber Christian NO masturbation stuff, grab the bible, put it all in a little basket...... and burn it.

Why do people lose hair who are not masturbating at all? The correct amount of masturbation? Yeah and i heared that in Boston, they invented something called Bicycle, i doubt it will some day replace horse and carriage.

Right you spanked your monkey and then gave blood, of course your pressure is higher because you were exited because you wanked at a place where you could easily been spot and then fear consequences.

Good lord
Sorry, not Christian or religious at all.
Calming that me and him are the same person is ridiculous, if any admin/moderator can check on the IP he will confirm that.


Just because people who do not masturbate loose hair does not prove the hypothesis of masturbation affecting hair loss false.
Masturbation can simply be a catalyst.


Again I will reiterate for the hundredth time - I'm not claiming any particular mechanism nor saying anything is definite. But of course you took no time to carefully read my previous posts as you clearly fail to understand my opinion. And have you read them it would also be apparent that my standpoint is a little different from op's.

RichardDawkins
06-17-2011, 03:32 AM
Its just Pseudo Science, just pseudo science.

Pornstars have full head of hair even they bang all the time under STRESS

There are abstinent people who bald

Where are your links to thos studies? Where are they, do you really believe, that i blindly follow one guy from a forum who also changes his nickname and come up with "Male Pattern Baldness cured"

How come that from those patients who went to get hair transplants or Acell treatments or even Histogen treatments no one really loses hair? You wanna make me believe that all of those guys stopped wanking? I doubt it

This is just jellow tabloid press pseudo science BS from the dark ages of medieval or so.

How come that people who use propecia and get their libido shrunked, can slow doen their hair loss (according to you it should stop by then)

Most people here respond to this toppic because you used a misleading headline to gather views, and then the rest is just full of plain stupid assumptions.

Its like those "Fine Christian navy guys from Atlantis 2000"

Its just BS, and strangely the only person who talks "normal" to you is also a new registered poster who writes only in this thread......This is strange because if i would register myself in a forum for hair loss, i am pretty sure the first thing where i would answer, would be something real promising about ending hair loss

auglen
06-17-2011, 05:10 AM
First I'm not the op, I did not start that topic. Heck I have even criticized him for the headline, but of course you have not read my posts so you're simply saying stuff that's not true.



Where are your links to thos studies? Where are they, do you really believe, that i blindly follow one guy from a forum who also changes his nickname and come up with "Male Pattern Baldness cured"

I don't remember myself quoting any study, other than the short term effect of ejaculation on T levels, which I guess you're well aware of, but it does not prove or disprove anything so I guess that is not the one you're talking about.


"How come that people who use propecia and get their libido shrunked, can slow doen their hair loss (according to you it should stop by then)"
Please tell me where I've made any claim that would indicate that.


"Pornstars have full head of hair even they bang all the time under STRESS

There are abstinent people who bald"
That has been explained over and over, if you cannot grasp why it does not exclude the possibility of masturbation affecting hair loss in some people then I have no idea how I can explain it to you.
Perhaps an analogy to people who smoke and don't get cancer and people who don't smoke and get cancer can make you understand that logic.


"How come that from those patients who went to get hair transplants or Acell treatments or even Histogen treatments no one really loses hair? You wanna make me believe that all of those guys stopped wanking? I doubt it"
I would love to comment for that, but I don't know anything about the details, can you point me to that?

RichardDawkins
06-17-2011, 05:20 AM
You dont know details? But then you come up with " Hooo we cant rule out masturbation" This is just BS sorry and its hogwash. This theory about masturbating and hair loss is the lousiest one besides the idea that people thing if you get bald, your hair vanish (its minituarizing but not vanishing)

I dont have to read this stuff of yours because its simple pseudo science to sound smart.

No where is the greece study, you could say that it was greece so then you can come up with a link

http://www.consultation.ayurvediccure.com/over-masturbation-and-hair-loss/

Bogus web sites with exact your ridiculous claims

How i HATE, fully hate with my GUTS those miracle Indian Assholes with their stupid "Well lets all be non masturbating because it shows we are ill" stuff.

Shit somebody please delete this thread for good

auglen
06-17-2011, 05:43 AM
You dont know details? But then you come up with " Hooo we cant rule out masturbation" This is just BS sorry and its hogwash. This theory about masturbating and hair loss is the lousiest one besides the idea that people thing if you get bald, your hair vanish (its minituarizing but not vanishing)

I dont have to read this stuff of yours because its simple pseudo science to sound smart.

No where is the greece study, you could say that it was greece so then you can come up with a link

http://www.consultation.ayurvediccure.com/over-masturbation-and-hair-loss/

Bogus web sites with exact your ridiculous claims

How i HATE, fully hate with my GUTS those miracle Indian Assholes with their stupid "Well lets all be non masturbating because it shows we are ill" stuff.

Shit somebody please delete this thread for good
Jesus, you're really blind.
I did not quote the greek study!
The details I don't know are details about a study YOU talked about and I asked if you can share those!

Probably it sounds smart to you because you obviously do not understand what's being said.

Please, read ALL my posts carefully, use a dictionary if you don't understand certain words or have somebody explain it to you and then come back criticizing my statements.
I'm just tired of responding to your insults based on your imagination and inability to read.

mothernature
06-17-2011, 05:59 AM
so can you please tell us what a "safe level" of masturbating to be? 2-3 times a week? Too much? What are your recommendations.

auglen
06-17-2011, 06:04 AM
Again I believe you have failed to carefully read what I have wrote.

I wrote:
"EDIT:
Oh, and the option that there might be an optimal amount of masturbation/sexual activity is definitely not off the table. I'd say it's mostly about how it affects our hormones. And so far we don't really know much about it, so if masturbation can affect hair loss it does not automatically translate to no masturbation bringing the best results. The only study we have is the short term effect on T levels.
If it is about the optimal amount rather than abstaining as much as possible then it will be even harder to prove the relationship. "

Clearly I have only recognized that there is a possibility of there being an optimal level of sexual activity. I have also clearly said we do not know if it's even true and that it's extremely hard to prove.

I'm only discussing possibilities here, and you're jumping on me as if I was stating that something is certain. All I'm doing is making certain inferences based on what we already know that cannot be dismissed by what we know so far.

Don't get too excited because there's nothing to be excited about.

RichardDawkins
06-17-2011, 06:12 AM
Bullshit " Its not off the table" yeah right lowered masturbation will grow your hair back good grief.

I read your stuff and i really laughed my ass off. Its not from the table is just plain nonsense, this whole thing shouldnt even be a thing to debate about.

Even if this would have an impact (i doubt it) this impact would be so small that you rather getting 300 years old then get your hair back from not masturbating ever again.

This whole masturbation hair loss idea is plain "Sin and Christianity talk" nothing more and nothing less where are your studies that you can say

ITS NOT FROM THE TABLES

This whole nonsense was from the tables, the moment you or you Researchneverfails alter ego did post it.

If researchers today would stick with this whole masturbation idea, i would say

"Shit we are screwed" thank the brain that not all people are driven by Christianiy Sin talk

mothernature
06-17-2011, 06:26 AM
Again I believe you have failed to carefully read what I have wrote.

I wrote:
"EDIT:
Oh, and the option that there might be an optimal amount of masturbation/sexual activity is definitely not off the table. I'd say it's mostly about how it affects our hormones. And so far we don't really know much about it, so if masturbation can affect hair loss it does not automatically translate to no masturbation bringing the best results. The only study we have is the short term effect on T levels.
If it is about the optimal amount rather than abstaining as much as possible then it will be even harder to prove the relationship. "

Clearly I have only recognized that there is a possibility of there being an optimal level of sexual activity. I have also clearly said we do not know if it's even true and that it's extremely hard to prove.

I'm only discussing possibilities here, and you're jumping on me as if I was stating that something is certain. All I'm doing is making certain inferences based on what we already know that cannot be dismissed by what we know so far.

Don't get too excited because there's nothing to be excited about.

im not jumping on anyone and i simply came in this thread to know what the conclusions were and how i could masturbate "safely". Seems like you are the one high on emotion getting defensive so quickly.

auglen
06-17-2011, 06:41 AM
im not jumping on anyone and i simply came in this thread to know what the conclusions were and how i could masturbate "safely". Seems like you are the one high on emotion getting defensive so quickly.

I'm sorry for that if it was not your intention. I'm a little bit under fire as you can see so I did indeed over react to your post, but if you read more carefully you'd still know I have no suggestion to make :)
Sorry again.


This whole nonsense was from the tables, the moment you or you Researchneverfails alter ego did post it.
This claim is completely ridiculous, prove it first.
If any admin or moderator is reading that then I would love to have his assistance on that.
There's no need to comment on other ground-less insults that you've made.

RichardDawkins
06-17-2011, 07:00 AM
Sorry this whole toppic has been debunked numerous times and it always comes up when people wanna sell crap or wanna sound smart

BaldingBackwards
06-17-2011, 07:42 AM
Yeah right two trolls (one and the same person) are discussing nonsense.

First of all take all those ‹ber Christian NO masturbation stuff, grab the bible, put it all in a little basket...... and burn it.

Why do people lose hair who are not masturbating at all? The correct amount of masturbation? Yeah and i heared that in Boston, they invented something called Bicycle, i doubt it will some day replace horse and carriage.

Right you spanked your monkey and then gave blood, of course your pressure is higher because you were exited because you wanked at a place where you could easily been spot and then fear consequences.

Good lord


Pressure??? Im really confused. I guess you know nothing about DHT and how the testing is done its a full proof test that has never been done and has nothingn to do with pressure.....You ought to go google why men lose there hair get a little more informed on the matter and then come back to this forum. I also find ironic/sad that you escaped to admit that you dont EJACULATE frequently please don't call it masturbation that is not my theory. I do understand why a theory like this will be hard to swallow at first because it goes against everything you believe. Frequent Ejaculation by any means would have this affect in predisposed people read my original post. Somepeople have such good blood flow and/or lower DHT production after Ejaculation. Either way the pressure thing is completely unrelated I don't know were you came up with that.

BaldingBackwards
06-17-2011, 07:49 AM
Its just Pseudo Science, just pseudo science.

Pornstars have full head of hair even they bang all the time under STRESS

There are abstinent people who bald

Where are your links to thos studies? Where are they, do you really believe, that i blindly follow one guy from a forum who also changes his nickname and come up with "Male Pattern Baldness cured"

How come that from those patients who went to get hair transplants or Acell treatments or even Histogen treatments no one really loses hair? You wanna make me believe that all of those guys stopped wanking? I doubt it

This is just jellow tabloid press pseudo science BS from the dark ages of medieval or so.

How come that people who use propecia and get their libido shrunked, can slow doen their hair loss (according to you it should stop by then)

Most people here respond to this toppic because you used a misleading headline to gather views, and then the rest is just full of plain stupid assumptions.

Its like those "Fine Christian navy guys from Atlantis 2000"

Its just BS, and strangely the only person who talks "normal" to you is also a new registered poster who writes only in this thread......This is strange because if i would register myself in a forum for hair loss, i am pretty sure the first thing where i would answer, would be something real promising about ending hair loss

After reading this post I just wanted to confirm you know nothing about hair loss and you did not read through my post because your masturbation problem and search for a cure is so desperate you quite half way through. You should take a few deep breathes and go read the hole thing from start to fninsh and be part of history as one of the first to do it. I changed my name because I got blocked because people like you reporting spam. The comment about histogen and Propecia shows you didn't read my post I fully explain why those work you really need to read it through then come back and post.

BaldingBackwards
06-17-2011, 08:28 AM
@Mothernature.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12659241?dopt=Abstract
There is a study shows that testosterone takes 7 days to spike up then become normal. I believe that is a response to the overproduction of DHT aftern an ejaculation. In theory that would mean even doing it more then once a week over a long period of time could be harmful however I would suggjest abstince for a month at a time if possible. I also can not stress the importance of increasing blood flow. the first things you will notice is more energy. Then a breakout of zits on the seventh day during the spike of testosterone. After that you will notice your hair dry out like it was before you started loseing it. Then shedding wil decrese. Also urinating your unused seamen out is normal. Massage your tempels, neck and back of the head. Pretty much take anything on the market and add decreased labido into the formula and you will get results. If you ejaculate very often I seriously suggjest doing a slow down process not just cold turkey(stopping at once). Anyway take pics if you do it and record how long your going I need twenty five people to turn in a study at least.

BaldingBackwards
06-17-2011, 08:33 AM
Sorry this whole toppic has been debunked numerous times and it always comes up when people wanna sell crap or wanna sound smart

This topic has never been dubunked. There is no science agaist what I am saying. I have a testable theory I don't understand your hostility but then again it would make sense that you have a masturbation/sex problem if you are taking this so offensive. Maybe you should read the post leaurn a little more about what science does know about hair loss then get excited about what I am suggjesting because it will be one of the many great discoveries in hair loss in the last decade if I turn out correct.

RichardDawkins
06-17-2011, 08:39 AM
Its just bogus claims from some nutcases nothing more. Maybe i have a masturbation problem BUT wait, no i dont take Propecia hmm.

SO all those old women who lose hair are also masturbating right i mean DHT and stuff or does it only apply to men.

Wait you accusing me of reporting you as Spam? Do you have any proof for those claims? Maybe proof like your Greek Study?

Ridiculous, i am only harsh against obvious Bullshit from some people to come up with stuff and say "Its not from the table"

Its not from the table because it is simply irrelevant

BaldingBackwards
06-17-2011, 08:41 AM
http://www.bmj.com/content/310/6990/1289.full

they almost had it in my opinion just needed to go that extra step and test right after ejaculation.

BaldingBackwards
06-17-2011, 08:44 AM
Its just bogus claims from some nutcases nothing more. Maybe i have a masturbation problem BUT wait, no i dont take Propecia hmm.

SO all those old women who lose hair are also masturbating right i mean DHT and stuff or does it only apply to men.

Wait you accusing me of reporting you as Spam? Do you have any proof for those claims? Maybe proof like your Greek Study?

Ridiculous, i am only harsh against obvious Bullshit from some people to come up with stuff and say "Its not from the table"

Its not from the table because it is simply irrelevant

There is your study stop masturbating or atleast stop being so sensative. And have you ever see a womens hair loss lookk like the M shape or crown of MPB. I don't pretend to know why women lose there hair chill out dude take a deep breath and start reading.

BaldingBackwards
06-17-2011, 05:11 PM
If your theory holds true then why are products and drugs that contradict your proposed methods so effective? I.e. Propecia?


You also did not read all my writing I explain very clearly why Propecia but let me state it again. Ill make it easy the three top side affects in those who see results on Propecia are 1. Loss in libido 2. Inability to ejaculate and 3. Not being able to get an erection. Propecia does exacally what they set out to do when they created it decrease size of prostate to give relief to those suffering from enalrged prostate. However It is my opinion that the side affects of reduced labido is what is causing the growth. How? Think about it from my theory stand point, if you decrease ejaculation thus are not adding high levels of dht to your hair anymore then blood can do what it does best for the hair follicle and slowy rinse out the DHT and regain growth again. You dont need a pill to do this abstinance would do just fine.

BaldingBackwards
06-17-2011, 05:23 PM
Gentleman,
To answer your question "how much is too Much" (ejaculating). There is a chart in a book I have on Chinese medicine called Tao. The suggested rates are as follows:
Up to age 25, daily is permitted. There after, only 4=5 times per week. By age 40, 3 times er week, in your 50's twice per week and after age 60 no more often than once per week. So, the frequency on which you can ejaculate without suffering health consequences is directly related to your age. I didn't write this book I only read it, so please don't yell at me!

Now, can any of you tell me how I, a woman, can lower MY DHT levels? I'm going bald too! (And I almost never er..., ejaculate).

I have actually given womens balding a good thought to and if you are having FPB then it is also being done by DHT they know that as well. The pattern is different and the affects is actually more like diffusing often in bald patches on one part of the haid or simply thinning all over. My first two questions would be how often you orgasm the reason I ask is because the female orgasm has shown to have alot of brain activity and science already beleives that DHT is also created in the brain. Maybe thats why the pattern is different its not a collection over time like men. For women it happens much faster and I would guess (key word I wont even call this a theory) that there is an over prodcution of DHT coming straight from the brain into the follicles. This could be caused by orgasmn I really don't know it often happens during birth for women which if they are having a boy my theory would be that you lose hair because your body actually gets DHT high levels of it that signal your child to grow genitals and thus become a man. Sorry that I do not know more but the only real help I can give you is INCREASE BLOOD FLOW TO YOUR HEAD. At the very least that will make the hair that you have grow stronger and began washing DHT out of the hair follicle. Remember this advice will not help for any other hair loss but MPB or FPB.

Hurts
06-17-2011, 06:36 PM
People need to get off BaldingBackwards' back. Personally I think he has a valid case. I've always noticed that when I don't ejaculate for a while, I find I shed much less after the 3rd day of abstinence. When I comb my hair in front of the sink I see a noticable lot more hair in the sink on days where i've ejaculated the previous night than when I abstain for 3-4 days. I'm not selling shit by the way.

BaldingBackwards
06-17-2011, 06:43 PM
People need to get off BaldingBackwards' back. Personally I think he has a valid case. I've always noticed that when I don't ejaculate for a while, I find I shed much less after the 3rd day of abstinence. When I comb my hair in front of the sink I see a noticable lot more hair in the sink on days where i've ejaculated the previous night than when I abstain for 3-4 days. I'm not selling shit by the way.

Yes I have noticed the same thing about shedding it almost stops after 7 days of not doing it too. Can you take pictures of your hair lines and write down everytime you ejaculate please. Make sure you increase bloodflow to your head via neck stretches, warm cold therapy (look it up), working out do them all. And keep in mind that the longer you go the less DHT in your system and with steady blood flow your hair should began to grow back. Thanks bro email me at ***************************** for any questions

BaldingBackwards
06-17-2011, 06:48 PM
baldingbackwards at hotmail dot com

PatientlyWaiting
06-17-2011, 09:30 PM
You also did not read all my writing I explain very clearly why Propecia but let me state it again. Ill make it easy the three top side affects in those who see results on Propecia are 1. Loss in libido 2. Inability to ejaculate and 3. Not being able to get an erection. Propecia does exacally what they set out to do when they created it decrease size of prostate to give relief to those suffering from enalrged prostate. However It is my opinion that the side affects of reduced labido is what is causing the growth. How? Think about it from my theory stand point, if you decrease ejaculation thus are not adding high levels of dht to your hair anymore then blood can do what it does best for the hair follicle and slowy rinse out the DHT and regain growth again. You dont need a pill to do this abstinance would do just fine.

This makes a bit of sense.

But I still don't understand why MPB started at 16 years old for me, when I was a virgin and did not jerk off yet.

Can you explain that to me? I am willing to try and reason with you if you can explain to me why MPB started for me when I was a virgin and hadn't jerked off at that age.

BaldingBackwards
06-17-2011, 09:51 PM
I posted on this but I will clarify again. DHT spikes at two points in your life 1. When your in the womb to begin forming male gender it literally is responsible for making you a boy and 2. Around sixteen DHT spikes again because it is soley responsible for puting hair on your face. Thats right whether you were masturbating/haveing sex at sixteen or not your DHT spiked and you began to grow facial hair? Either way DHT spiking especially if it was followed the year after with the beginning of frequent ejaculation then that would explain it. Most people who get beirds young even if they dont bald alot have a small thinning affect. Thats why even men with good hair look can look at there 12 year old photos and see they had much more hair. A good example of this are the five people I know personally at different ages that all do not grow hair on there face and none of them have balded whats so ever they look like 12 year olds on top. I believe these people simply dont produce DHT maybe even there ejacultion is just such a low amount they never see any affects. A disorder were you stop producing DHT in the womb leads to a disease of were a man never grows hair on his face and his genitles are underdevelped. For most his life he may be treated like a girl untill puberty when he makes testosterone and starts getting deep voic and hair. Except he wont ever produce DHT and never have facial hair completely immune to MPB.

PatientlyWaiting
06-17-2011, 10:20 PM
So you think those that were already gonna genetically go bald, make it worse and speed up the process by jerking off/having sex?

Because I just can't believe jerking off/having sex will outright make you suffer from MPB.

I know a bunch of jerk off friends with a full head of hair.

Please clarify this, do you think you make hair loss worse by masterbating/****ing, if you're already destined to lose hair? And if you don't masterbate/have sex, then you'll still have MPB but not as bad as it would have been if you did masterbate/****?

The latter sounds more realistic to me.

PatientlyWaiting
06-17-2011, 10:33 PM
Another few questions for you ResearchGuy:

1. How is your hair loss?
2. Have you tried this yourself, how long have you gone, if you know what I mean?
3. Are you on any hair loss treatment?
4. You seem like you really wanna help[as soon as I see you wanna sell something I will change my mind], so why continue to share your thoughts on a forum that is so hostile towards you[outside of a few members like me and some others] and just keep this secret to yourself and grow your own hair back and just realize that it's their loss if they don't want to read what you have to say? I ask this because you seem really confident in your discovery, so why not use yourself as an experiment and take pics of your progress then prove every one wrong?

BaldingBackwards
06-17-2011, 11:32 PM
Don't be rediculous what could I possibally sell. I wont lie I called two patent lawyers to see if I could patent any type of sequence DHT testing and the approach to treating it with reduction of frequency and increase in blood flow. Both lawyers advised from the general descriptions I gave them that it was not patentable. I figure this much before I even called. I have nothing to sell allthough If I prove this theory I will set up a website to educate and maybe get a large following sell advertisements who knows but will never charge anybody for what may turn out to be common knowledge. My hair loss is very mininmal at the temples but I had lost some hair. I would say about a year of slow recession now halted. I went two weeks twice now without ejaculating and just like the testoserone study said at about 7 days you notice a breakout of zits. YOu also notice alot of shedding and your skin will be oily like usual. Then after the 7th day your hair will dry up and stop falling out in designate areas. Normal shedding is completely determined by the active growth faze count that you have on your head and really isnt a good way to gage hair loss. Your scalp loses that Oilyness and the zits that you get at day 7 will be deep boil like zits. You will notice the texture of your hair within the month become dry. If you want good results slowly reduce the tempeture of the water in the shower over your head till its significantly cold but do it gradually and let your body get used to it. This is great for blood flow! I am not a doctor though so consult your doctor for any conditions before atempting.

BaldingBackwards
06-17-2011, 11:37 PM
So you think those that were already gonna genetically go bald, make it worse and speed up the process by jerking off/having sex?

Because I just can't believe jerking off/having sex will outright make you suffer from MPB.

I know a bunch of jerk off friends with a full head of hair.

Please clarify this, do you think you make hair loss worse by masterbating/****ing, if you're already destined to lose hair? And if you don't masterbate/have sex, then you'll still have MPB but not as bad as it would have been if you did masterbate/****?

The latter sounds more realistic to me.



No I believe some people dont produce very much DHT in there prostate and/or have really good blood flow to there head. Its a balance between the two and if you look at various diagrams of the Caratoid Artery you will notice that they all very a little. Humans arteries bring blood to the follicles so if youres are really strong DHT wont be able to stay bound easily. Think of a washing something off your driveway that stuck really bad to the ground. We will think of it as clue that dried to your drive way. You spray the water half way on the pressure and little pieces of the dried glue are coming off to get it all the way off you must turn up the pressure. If your blood is not literally washing the DHT out of the dermal Papilla then its going to collect. And as it collects more and more the hair gets smaller and smaller until it stops growing at all

howardroarke
06-18-2011, 01:25 AM
I had beautiful hair till 21 . Though there is some hairloss and recession at temples, the quality of hair was quite good. Even when I oiled the hair, my scalp wouldn't show.I was living with my room mates then.So I masturbated very rarely. Once in a month. Then college ended and I got a job and have been staying alone ever since. And , I have been masturbating atleast once a day and mostly twice for past three years. It's a chronic addiction for me and sadly I couldn't share with any of my friends . Here on this forum, there is anonymity, there is hope . It's an addiction I tried to get out of a few times. But after two to three days there is a relapse.

This habit probably lead to my hairloss. My once beautiful hair is now in ruins.
I can see it miniaturizing in the front. I can no longer apply gel or oil because it shows my scalp. To say it effects me is an understatement. It just is destroying me every day and every moment I look in the mirror.

So, I want to change. I hate the addiction. Have been using finasteride for past 4 months and there is shedding going .Not sure if it's due to Fin. A small bald spot at the crown got covered. But my front is as bad or may be worse than before. I want to try this thing. If not my hair atleast it would save some time and health. I have my pics here after 4 months on finasteride.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/63928316@N06/

I lost the baseline pics..

Hurts
06-18-2011, 06:05 AM
I actually know 2 people who seriously CANNOT grow facial hair and they have a superb head of hair (although they have receeded, it cannot be seen beneath all the hair). Interesting.

BTW BaldingBackwards is not saying ejaculation CAUSES hairloss, he's basically saying it's a contributing factor for people that produce more DHT than normal. I find his argument hard to ignore since I had my own suspicions (I even opened a thread about it here: http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=5009)

auglen
06-18-2011, 06:46 AM
I had beautiful hair till 21 . Though there is some hairloss and recession at temples, the quality of hair was quite good. Even when I oiled the hair, my scalp wouldn't show.I was living with my room mates then.So I masturbated very rarely. Once in a month. Then college ended and I got a job and have been staying alone ever since. And , I have been masturbating atleast once a day and mostly twice for past three years. It's a chronic addiction for me and sadly I couldn't share with any of my friends . Here on this forum, there is anonymity, there is hope . It's an addiction I tried to get out of a few times. But after two to three days there is a relapse.

This habit probably lead to my hairloss. My once beautiful hair is now in ruins.
I can see it miniaturizing in the front. I can no longer apply gel or oil because it shows my scalp. To say it effects me is an understatement. It just is destroying me every day and every moment I look in the mirror.

So, I want to change. I hate the addiction. Have been using finasteride for past 4 months and there is shedding going .Not sure if it's due to Fin. A small bald spot at the crown got covered. But my front is as bad or may be worse than before. I want to try this thing. If not my hair atleast it would save some time and health. I have my pics here after 4 months on finasteride.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/63928316@N06/

I lost the baseline pics..
As for dropping the addiction it's really not that hard. Can do it cold turkey style, after 3 or 4 attempts it sticked in my case.

mothernature
06-18-2011, 06:57 AM
if your on fin already, and already supressing DHT, would it be ok to have sex 2-3 times a week? Or are you saying that even with FIN u cant have sex?:confused:

auglen
06-18-2011, 09:13 AM
if your on fin already, and already supressing DHT, would it be ok to have sex 2-3 times a week? Or are you saying that even with FIN u cant have sex?:confused:
If AND ONLY IF the hypothesis is true in my understanding it would suggest that if you want to stop it as much as possible least sexual activity would be recommended. But then again the amount of that extra DHT after one ejaculation should not be too crazy.
But again, we know too little to make assumptions like that. There is chance that propitiate makes the potential benefits of abstinence negligible.

It would be also interesting to see if sexual arousal affects the DHT.



Personally I say go cold turkey. Dosing it like that might make it hard for you to control.

BaldingBackwards
06-18-2011, 09:40 AM
if your on fin already, and already supressing DHT, would it be ok to have sex 2-3 times a week? Or are you saying that even with FIN u cant have sex?:confused:

No you must decrease ejaculation frequency.Those medications shrink your prostate and often lead to loss in labido its not the drug thats doing anything its the people who dont ejaculate for month after month and after a year those people see the most growth. Its not just irony you guys get off the meds and turn to abstinence atleast long enough to grow your hair back.

BaldingBackwards
06-18-2011, 09:49 AM
Everybody listen to this!!!!!!! Please take pictures and record every ejaculation. Men who will try my Rhythm technique (thats what I am naming it) I need accurate documentation to publish my findings in a Medical Journal. Please record and take pictures of your hair short and in the same lighting and same position every month. Be patient after only a month you will see improvements. Make sure all through out the day you lean over and get some blood to your head, massage your temples and back of the neck, use rogaine if you already are, or the lazer comb, and please look up cold shower therapy! Do neck stretches everyday whatever increases blood will spead the process of washing DHT out. A few months ago when they told you that your stem cells are still there they are just not being activated was the best news we ever got as a hairloss community. It proves all you have to do is wake these follicles up. Good luck baldingbackwards dot com is my email if anybody has any questions or needs anything but please send me the pictures and documentation every month thanks guys!

BaldingBackwards
06-18-2011, 09:56 AM
I actually know 2 people who seriously CANNOT grow facial hair and they have a superb head of hair (although they have receeded, it cannot be seen beneath all the hair). Interesting.

BTW BaldingBackwards is not saying ejaculation CAUSES hairloss, he's basically saying it's a contributing factor for people that produce more DHT than normal. I find his argument hard to ignore since I had my own suspicions (I even opened a thread about it here: http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=5009)

Right on didn't even know this had been wrote about on here. Yea you pretty much hit on the head. Some of us have to watch our ejaculations others may not have too. The real key will be how much hair can you grow back with prolonged abstince I mean what guy do you know that goes months without ejaculating. I don't know any. This would really explain why the only people who ever grow there hair backs are the ones propecia drops the libido in. So interesting but I will have my DHT results monday and will post them on here. Allthough because of the spikes in testosterone on the 7 day Im starting to think I should have kept testing every day to see if DHT is randomly increased to prduce Testosterone? I dont know but ill be back on Monday to give results.

HairTalk
06-18-2011, 10:20 AM
God, would you look at all the posts this bull-shit thread has garnered? Male-pattern baldness "cured"; ejaculation; etc.

:rolleyes:

PatientlyWaiting
06-18-2011, 10:25 AM
No you must decrease ejaculation frequency.Those medications shrink your prostate and often lead to loss in labido its not the drug thats doing anything its the people who dont ejaculate for month after month and after a year those people see the most growth. Its not just irony you guys get off the meds and turn to abstinence atleast long enough to grow your hair back.

Okay, so i'm Finasteride, been on it for 7 months now. I've had no side effects whatsoever, I can jerk off twice a day if I wanted to, I get sexually aroused often[I am 22 :p], and TBH I am not seeing any regrowth, just little baby hairs that have been baby hairs for about 3 months now, well they are growing, but at snails pace. And I honestly thought i'd be better by this time, i'm also on Minoxidil.

So could it be that Finasteride 1.25 MG is just not working for me then? And I will have to do what the pill is supposed to do; on my own, by stopping my daily jerk off sessions?

auglen
06-18-2011, 11:54 AM
Everybody listen to this!!!!!!! Please take pictures and record every ejaculation. Men who will try my Rhythm technique (thats what I am naming it) I need accurate documentation to publish my findings in a Medical Journal. Please record and take pictures of your hair short and in the same lighting and same position every month. Be patient after only a month you will see improvements. Make sure all through out the day you lean over and get some blood to your head, massage your temples and back of the neck, use rogaine if you already are, or the lazer comb, and please look up cold shower therapy! Do neck stretches everyday whatever increases blood will spead the process of washing DHT out. A few months ago when they told you that your stem cells are still there they are just not being activated was the best news we ever got as a hairloss community. It proves all you have to do is wake these follicles up. Good luck baldingbackwards dot com is my email if anybody has any questions or needs anything but please send me the pictures and documentation every month thanks guys!
I have not had any other ejaculations than nocturnal emissions for over 7-8 months already.
If there is regrowth it's very slight, I'm still not completely positive.
And in terms of thickness I do not think that there is a difference.

Again keep in mind that I'm 18 and the only recession I have had is some slight recession in the temple area and that is where I'm seeing what I believe MIGHT be regrowth (details in my own topic I started a while ago).
So perhaps if someone was seriously balding the benefits would be more obvious, no idea.

BackwardsBalding
06-18-2011, 11:56 AM
Okay, so i'm Finasteride, been on it for 7 months now. I've had no side effects whatsoever, I can jerk off twice a day if I wanted to, I get sexually aroused often[I am 22 :p], and TBH I am not seeing any regrowth, just little baby hairs that have been baby hairs for about 3 months now, well they are growing, but at snails pace. And I honestly thought i'd be better by this time, i'm also on Minoxidil.

So could it be that Finasteride 1.25 MG is just not working for me then? And I will have to do what the pill is supposed to do; on my own, by stopping my daily jerk off sessions?


yes that is exacally what is happening you are not having the side affects and thus not growing any hair. Once again I been blocked it wont even let me sign on to the other account so I dont know whats up with this censored website. This is supposed to be a forum. email me at baldingbackwards dot com if you want the DHT results and/or if you want to take part in this study. I will try and post but if I get blocked again and nobody hears from me on Monday just email me. Im not gonna try much harder then this to let people know what I found Its not like im making a cent on all the hard work.

mothernature
06-18-2011, 12:16 PM
so what you're telling me is, if I want to really save my hair, not onlycan I not have sex with my girlfriend but I cant be aroused by her either as it may increase my DHT level? I get aroused when I'm around her. Would you advise that I split up with her then? Should I pack her bags and send her on her merry way:confused:

Delphi
06-18-2011, 12:27 PM
God, would you look at all the posts this bull-shit thread has garnered? Male-pattern baldness "cured"; ejaculation; etc.

:rolleyes:
Ridiculous isn't it? People are so incredibly gullible. Enjoy your sex lives people, you can try all you want, but abstaining will not stop your hair loss or grow it back. This is one of the oldest wives tales there is. This guy is either a nut, or will be trying to sell something eventually.

Cory
06-18-2011, 12:28 PM
If you are saying this is cure then men in their 60s or 70s should have full head of hair, I don't think that all men in that age have sex or masturbate.

As for arousal it's impossible not to have it, especially for the younger men.

mothernature
06-18-2011, 12:29 PM
Ridiculous isn't it? People are so incredibly gullible. Enjoy your sex lives people, you can try all you want, but abstaining will not stop your hair loss or grow it back. This is one of the oldest wives tales there is. This guy is either a nut, or will be trying to sell something eventually.

if there is not hard scientific evidence behind either side, then it doesn't hurt to try something and see if it makes a difference for you

PatientlyWaiting
06-18-2011, 01:03 PM
Well i'm ****ed then, if I can't have any arousal.

Forget it, i'm just sticking to Finasteride and Minoxidil to slow down my hair loss. It's not like my hair is falling anyway, my hair loss stopped at the 2 month mark. Just haven't seen the regrowth or thickening I thought I would have by now. I'm gonna keep jerking off.

Thanks for the info though, Research, I know you believe in what you say. Hopefully you can prove every one you were right all along.

BackwardsBalding
06-18-2011, 02:14 PM
so what you're telling me is, if I want to really save my hair, not onlycan I not have sex with my girlfriend but I cant be aroused by her either as it may increase my DHT level? I get aroused when I'm around her. Would you advise that I split up with her then? Should I pack her bags and send her on her merry way:confused:

LOL. I am not sure if your serious but If you love your girlfriend don't throw her out. No my theory really revolves around the spike of DHT due to ejaculation and that if that is done to frequently your blood flow will not be able to combat the amount of DHT building up and the top or ends of your arteries were MPB accurs. When you get aroused you do secrete seamen however its much lower and may not have a DHT affect that would matter. Its a balance of blood flow and DHT wer already know that. ALl that I am sugjesting as a new theory is that the DHT comes directly from the ejaculation. At this point this is an unknown variable by that I mean I have no idea what will be too much from one person to the next. What we already know is that testosterone takes 7 days after ejaculation to balance out thats fact. So I would say more then once a week is not good IF YOU ARE TRYING TO REGROW HAIR!!!!! And really the selling comment is getting old what the hell could I sell? This when proven will be just common knowledge, if I am right. Take it for what it is, a theory that can be proven right or wrong in the mean time look at those countries were people are not haveing this problem of hair loss as much they also dont believe in wasting energy on your hand(masturbation) alot of which porn is as rare as MPB. Sorry to all those scorned people who have lost hair but once again I find it ironic nobody is coming on here stating they dont have a high ejaculation frequency and is still loseing hair. Once again I will give you DHT results Monday and will be doint another test to see if the 7th day is when DHT spikes unless of course this first one shows it which I really believe it will. Either way from what I have seen in my self and a few others hairloss not only stops but regrows a few months into abstinence.

BackwardsBalding
06-18-2011, 02:21 PM
If you are saying this is cure then men in their 60s or 70s should have full head of hair, I don't think that all men in that age have sex or masturbate.

As for arousal it's impossible not to have it, especially for the younger men.

Yea I didn't mean to give anyone the idea that getting aroused produced high level of DHT I dont believe that my theory is for ejaculation. However the more often you are aroused the more you will need to ejaculate other wise problems like blue balls come into play. This is why during abstinence you must not watch porn its like walking through landmines.

As far as men in there 60s or 70s they already have decreased blood flow to there hole body so even the low levels of DHT especially if they still are sexually active would easily bind to all places in the body which would explain why old men even lose hair were its traditionally not affect by MPB.

EITHER WAY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU NEED TO REALIZE IS THAT I TESTED THIS ALLREADY. THIS CAN BE PROVEN OR DISPROVEN SO CHILL WAIT FOR MY RESULTS AND I WILL KEEP YOU ALL UPDATED.

BackwardsBalding
06-18-2011, 05:59 PM
My test results came back today and understand that as far as science is concerned my DHT levels in 15 minutes should do just about nothing.

05/27/2001- last ejaculationg before testing

06/10/2011- Test day by time and DHT reading in ng/dl listed below

11:05- (First test before ejaculation reading): 27

11:10- (About 70 seconds after ejaculation): 38

11:12- (2 minutes after ejaculation): 36

11:17- (7 minute after ejaculation): 20

Conclusion: The Standard Range is 25-75 and recently thought to only fluctuate gradually throughout the day. I have proven this incorrect and showed a direct result on DHT level after an ejaculation. Further more the decreaseing of those levels are so quick testing can only be done immedeitally after an ejaculation. This is because the DHT flows very quickly throughout your body and binds too the hair follicles were the little amount of blood flow is allowing. This area is the classic MPB pattern starting at the temples and then crown. I am announceing my finding to the public and all of my readers. I take credit for discovering the importance of ejaculation on DHT levels and also coin the phrase The Ejaculation Rythem Technique or for short ERT. This rythem involves any approach at reducing ejaculation rates and increasing blood flow to find an optimal balance to both stop and reverse hair loss. Further more the impact ejaculation has on hormanal imbalances cause acne and ERT also shows reduction in breakouts after day 7 and on.


A personal note to my readers: I have not had much hair loss and as you can tell from the numbers mine are very low. Yours will likely spike much more however my next tests on my self will look at the affects of ejaculation following the day after a previous ejaculation. I will then see the number after consecutive ejaculations within the same day. My next theory is that the closer these ejaculations are together the more that number spikes and I am eager to test this. Thank you all and I will post more results in the coming weeks.

BackwardsBalding
06-18-2011, 07:19 PM
The date pre ejaculation should read 2011 not 2001 and one its two weeks of abstinence before I did the tests

BackwardsBalding
06-18-2011, 07:24 PM
My test results came back today and understand that as far as science is concerned my DHT levels in 15 minutes should do just about nothing.

05/27/2011- last ejaculation before testing two weeks before test date

06/10/2011- Test day by time and DHT reading in ng/dl listed below

11:05- (First test before ejaculation reading): 27

11:10- (About 70 seconds after ejaculation): 38

11:12- (2 minutes after ejaculation): 36

11:17- (7 minute after ejaculation): 20

Conclusion: The Standard Range is 25-75 and recently thought to only fluctuate gradually throughout the day. I have proven this incorrect and showed a direct result on DHT level after an ejaculation. Further more the decreasing of those levels are so quick testing can only be done immediately after an ejaculation. This is because the DHT flows very quickly throughout your body and binds too the hair follicles were the little amount of blood flow is allowing. This area is the classic MPB pattern starting at the temples and then crown. I am announcing my finding to the public and all of my readers. I take credit for discovering the importance of ejaculation on DHT levels and also coin the phrase The Ejaculation Rhythm Technique or for short ERT. This rhythm involves any approach at reducing ejaculation rates and increasing blood flow to find an optimal balance to both stop and reverse hair loss. Further more the impact ejaculation has on hormonal imbalances cause acne and ERT also shows reduction in breakouts after day 7 and on.


A personal note to my readers: I have not had much hair loss and as you can tell from the numbers mine are very low. Yours will likely spike much more however my next tests on my self will look at the affects of ejaculation following the day after a previous ejaculation. I will then see the number after consecutive ejaculations within the same day. My next theory is that the closer these ejaculations are together the more that number spikes and I am eager to test this. Thank you all and I will post more results in the coming weeks

auglen
06-18-2011, 09:10 PM
If you are saying this is cure then men in their 60s or 70s should have full head of hair, I don't think that all men in that age have sex or masturbate.

As for arousal it's impossible not to have it, especially for the younger men.

Again, it's not definitive that arousal or ejaculation would produce significant amounts of DHT.
But if we're already taking about abstinence then it is completely possible to avoid arousal too.

Now I got to a point where I have a very very slight erection perhaps twice, thrice a day, cannot even call that arousal really, just some minor random erections.

As for acne I can confirm that it worked for me in that department. But this is a less contested idea as far as I'm aware.

@BackwardsBalding:
Congratulations on the findings if those are true. Do some more experiments and perhaps you could publish those somewhere or convince some people to really look into it.
Could you perhaps post scans of the read-outs or any other evidence you have?

BackwardsBalding
06-18-2011, 10:13 PM
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Cory
06-19-2011, 04:06 AM
Even if your theory is true, how much regrowth can be excepted, to go in abstinence for months it would take a damn good one.

RichardDawkins
06-19-2011, 05:25 AM
This thread is hilarious. I will put this in my favorites and when we have a cure and solution in the pretty near future, i will occasionally dig this thread up for people to laugh and have fun

BackwardsBalding
06-19-2011, 08:49 AM
Even if your theory is true, how much regrowth can be excepted, to go in abstinence for months it would take a damn good one.

Think of it like this. You lost your hair because you over did it (ejaculated too freqently). If you reduce it in half you wont lose hair but to grow it back you better do the opposite of what was making you lose it. The opposite would be not doing it at all. Propeica can take a year year to see results. So my guess is the longer you go the better but if your serious about it then try to cut down to once or twice a month. If you can go longer then that you will just yield faster results.

BackwardsBalding
06-19-2011, 08:55 AM
This thread is hilarious. I will put this in my favorites and when we have a cure and solution in the pretty near future, i will occasionally dig this thread up for people to laugh and have fun


Look baldy. Enough with your negative comments. I have put alot of work into this. Two weeks solid every day spent study, one term to the next about hair loss. I formulated a theory went and tested it. Testing was not easy it was nerve wrecking and I had to monitor the hole process. I had to call the lab because they would have not tested thinking they were duplicates. I had to coninve my doctor I wasnt crazy and that my levels would fluctuate. I had to pay to see my doctor. I checked laws and regulations, patents, other theories. I had checked a 100 different studies on the matter. Put together a three page presentation and talked to numerous specialist on the matter. Quit being such a downer I proved my theory and posted it for FREE for all of you. So stop being so ungreatfull and take it for what it is or atleast stop posting negative comments on here. Thanks have a good weekend. GET OVER YOUR MASTURBATION/SEX PROBLEM AND GROW SOME HAIR BACK.

BackwardsBalding
06-19-2011, 08:58 AM
Even if your theory is true, how much regrowth can be excepted, to go in abstinence for months it would take a damn good one.

I believe... In theory....That you can grow all your hair back and it will take being almost always abstinent for about as long as it took for you to go bald. If you have been loseing hair for 2 years then maybe thats how long. However if you ejaculated alot it may grow back way faster just from the rapid decrease in DHT. Good luck take pictures

AgainstThis
06-19-2011, 10:17 AM
You are pitiful.

HairTalk
06-19-2011, 10:24 AM
GET OVER YOUR MASTURBATION/SEX PROBLEM AND GROW SOME HAIR BACK.

Is it that you're all humoring this guy, or that you're genuinely piqued by this almost-funnyĖbut-nowĖplayed-out bullshit? At best, this is someone having a good laugh at how much attention his joke's been able to get; at worst, he's a mental patient out of meds., peering through a scope from the top of a bell-tower, someplace.

BackwardsBalding
06-19-2011, 10:56 AM
Is it that you're all humoring this guy, or that you're genuinely piqued by this almost-funnyĖbut-nowĖplayed-out bullshit? At best, this is someone having a good laugh at how much attention his joke's been able to get; at worst, he's a mental patient out of meds., peering through a scope from the top of a bell-tower, someplace.


Look at it this way. I came on this website because I formulated a theory that I could test. You however are on here because your vanity won't allow you to except loseing your hair. You are looking for a cure or something that works but even the thought of giving up your compulsive sexual desires to grow hair Back repulsed you to lashing out on someone you know nothing about. I understand loseing your hair is frustrating but take a deep breathe and go back and read this post I have proven what I planned and will continue to do so. Stop pulling your hair out and relax.

Infinity
06-19-2011, 11:10 AM
Mr. BB, I see some validity in your theory. Albeit, I see how it can be a high price to pay for the typical American man. I based my opinion of your theory by comparing the hair (and sex lives) of my ex-husband, and the three other boyfriends I've had (not at the same time!). It kinda makes sense now.

RichardDawkins suggested I start masturbating. HOW could this possibly promote hair growth???? Perhaps it was sarcasm.

My own orgasms have always been far and few between, especially recently. Sure, I had more hair when I was still married, but I was younger then, also. So, am I supposed to start orgasming to regrow my hair, or stop the few per year that I have? How could only a few per year create hair loss? I admit, I'm willing to try ALMOST anything. (I don;t want surgery, etc.). Abstinece is not a problem since (sigh) I'm already doing that. Yet, my hair is getting thinner daily. Even so, women do not lose semen, which we don't have to begin with. (it's semen that you lose, BTW. A seaman is a guy who sails ships. :)

Why don't you just try a natural DHT blocker, like zinc, or the product Nu-Hair? Why wouldn't that work? I just ordered a box of Nu-hair again. I took it once for a month but it probably wasn't long enough. I'll try again.

BackwardsBalding
06-19-2011, 11:29 AM
I can't pretend to know if your orgasm is producing dht I really dont know. They know its a very small percent of women are loseing it to do dht over production and I'm assuming it's different because it doeant appear to be a buildup like MPB. All though if you could pull off the test do it.I believe just like they already know is dht is produced in the brain maybe that's the trigger for women. Your orgasm by many doctors have stated high brain activity. Make sure you check dht within a minute after orgasm. Do one before to. Blood test and then you can even try saliva and take numerous tests within the first few minutes like I did. Please post your results ttell your doctor your theory this is not yet accepted in western society. Good luck

HairTalk
06-19-2011, 11:30 AM
Look at it this way. I came on this website because I formulated a theory that I could test. You however are on here because your vanity won't allow you to except loseing your hair. You are looking for a cure or something that works but even the thought of giving up your compulsive sexual desires to grow hair Back repulsed you to lashing out on someone you know nothing about. I understand loseing your hair is frustrating but take a deep breathe and go back and read this post I have proven what I planned and will continue to do so. Stop pulling your hair out and relax.

You're here to get a chuckle by ****ing with people; sadly and sickly, you've succeeded to a larger-than-expected degree in doing so. Well done; now, **** off.

TheEarthIsNotFlat
06-19-2011, 11:44 AM
First, I would like to say I have followed this forum since the start and am bb's twin brother. This will be my first comment and simply my opinion. With all the circumstantial evidence I don't see why all the criticism. The fact that the test came back with a spike in DHT is amazing. That has never been recorded and furthermore, never been studied immediately after ejaculation. I was very skeptical on this subject and even criticized him wile he explained to my wife. But now, seeing the results with my own eyes it is crazy. My brother has invested alot of time and passion and has succeeded. He was told by everyone ejaculation doesn't spike dht but it does. I'm not saying it has a huge impact, I'm not saying stopping ejaculation will help. Jus it spikes dht and he figured that out for sure. I am married and have a ejaculation 3-4 times a week average with occasional better weeks. I am not only loosing hair faster but also greying. We are twins and IDE be willing to post pics to compare his abstinence to my not. Final note, Me personally will shave my head to get sex on a regular basis so I don't share his passion in this.

Delphi
06-19-2011, 12:02 PM
This gets more bizarre with every post.

RichardDawkins
06-19-2011, 12:03 PM
Oh man this is getting better and better, i really enjoy it ;-)

Kamui85
06-19-2011, 01:18 PM
Heís evil twin brother? LOL, anyway I admire all the effort he's put to this entire strange thing... Iím abstaining for all whole month! (Iím serious)

TheEarthIsNotFlat
06-19-2011, 01:32 PM
Listen. The fact is, there is no link to ejaculation and hair loss because they never tested right after. Every one including Richard Dawkins here says that there is no spike but I seen the facts. Ask your doctor for a couple simple blood test one being right after ejaculation and u shall see. Imagine of this spike increases as it escalates. His dht went up 50% from one ejaculation and dropped back down within 7 min. You do that more frequently there will be more dht. It seems really simple to me I don't understand the ignorance in this forum.

TheEarthIsNotFlat
06-19-2011, 01:36 PM
This gets more bizarre with every post.

Ejaculation and even masturbation are normal. Shouldn't be bizarre. For all the nay Sayers I would order the 5$ test from your local hospital to prove him wrong. All though you won't when you try and maybe rd masturbation problem is that serious he doesn't want that to be the cause. Think about it and try your own study.

RichardDawkins
06-19-2011, 01:39 PM
man you guys are awesome.

Hey here are some other nuts to crack

I say

1) hair loss is related to long sleeping... Why not its not wrong but nobody tested it yet

2) hair loss is related to wieners.....Nobody tested it yet

3) Hair loss is related to wrong tv programs....you know

TheEarthIsNotFlat
06-19-2011, 01:54 PM
man you guys are awesome.

Hey here are some other nuts to crack

I say

1) hair loss is related to long sleeping... Why not its not wrong but nobody tested it yet

2) hair loss is related to wieners.....Nobody tested it yet

3) Hair loss is related to wrong tv programs....you know

Problem is this is now tested and proven. Try it your self. I'm done with you. No reason to defend him when there is now evidence.

PatientlyWaiting
06-19-2011, 06:22 PM
This thread is hilarious. I will put this in my favorites and when we have a cure and solution in the pretty near future, i will occasionally dig this thread up for people to laugh and have fun

There's no need for any of this. You're a good member to this site and i'm sure you're a good person. There is no need to make fun of the guy. You can't say he is not making an effort in to his theory. Just let it go RD. It's not like he's trying to sell anything.

PatientlyWaiting
06-19-2011, 06:28 PM
Think of it like this. You lost your hair because you over did it (ejaculated too freqently). If you reduce it in half you wont lose hair but to grow it back you better do the opposite of what was making you lose it. The opposite would be not doing it at all. Propeica can take a year year to see results. So my guess is the longer you go the better but if your serious about it then try to cut down to once or twice a month. If you can go longer then that you will just yield faster results.

I disagree with losing your hair for ejaculating too much. You have to realize, maybe there are members on here who were virgins for a very long time, and didn't jerk off until a certain age. And before that certain age, they were already going bald.

Maybe that is why you are being treated with this hostility, but members just don't want to admit they lost hair before losing their virginity, like me, which I don't have to hide it. Maybe i'm totally wrong and they are angry because of something else, but that is the only reason i can think of for some one to be so defensive about this subject. Which they could rightfully be, because they know first hand[no pun] that jerking off didn't make them lose their hair cause they hadn't done it when they got hit with MPB. I am positive that ejaculating or having sex did not make me lose hair, because I was already suffering from aggressive MPB before the first time I had sex and masterbated.

PatientlyWaiting
06-19-2011, 06:31 PM
Then again, it's not out of the question that jerking off may make it worse, but it certainly does not cause it. And I don't think you can make it considerably better by stopping.

TheEarthIsNotFlat
06-19-2011, 06:42 PM
Then again, it's not out of the question that jerking off may make it worse, but it certainly does not cause it. And I don't think you can make it considerably better by stopping.

I don't believe it causes it either. All I'm saying is there was a spike after one ejaculation. He has to test more often and less often. More then one test subject and numerous other things. He is only trying to help and I'm amazed he even got one trial to spike. I've read numerous places dht doesn't spike do to ejaculation and that isn't the case. Only time will tell whether it helps or not. I'm more interested to no if you do it more frequently does ur spike range fluctuate up and average low go up. That would tell me that over time of having 50% more dht circulating would have to cause mpb. ( not saying the only cause either) there may be numours things to cause spikes but do to the 5 min time u have to test before u go back down to normal may have never been considered. It's worth looking into if one asked me.

BackwardsBalding
06-19-2011, 06:53 PM
My entire family knows about this and my brother just started believing after the test results came back. I know it's hard for you guys to believe but I only came on here to help you Guys. It my belief in karma that is driving me. I read many of your stories and blogs in my few weeks of research. And when I really finally came to my first blog I was sure of what I was saying. I could have waited for the tests and waited years to make a noise. But I didnt I kept all of you posted because I wAnted to help. So once again take for what it is and understand I don't have to peruse this. Every body can just stop researching it and you allcan visit the bald truth still waiting And holding because the answer you got wasnt the one you wanted.

PatientlyWaiting
06-19-2011, 08:47 PM
Don't get me wrong, i'm actually trying it. I haven't done "it" in 2 days. I'll see how I feel at 7 days. I'll go for as long as possible and i'm taking pictures too. It won't hurt to try, or maybe it literally will hurt to try[blue balls].

auglen
06-19-2011, 08:57 PM
I support all the effort put into that and strongly believe there might be a connection, but damn, the brother thing is indeed odd :-)
To be honest first I thought somebody else made that account to discredit you, haha.

BackwardsBalding
06-19-2011, 10:41 PM
I support all the effort put into that and strongly believe there might be a connection, but damn, the brother thing is indeed odd :-)
To be honest first I thought somebody else made that account to discredit you, haha.

I agree I was actually irritated that he did you can imagine how much that discredits what I am saying but after a few days of watching People freak out like me had enough. He abviously didn't realize how a bunch of random skeptical readers would tAke it. So much for convincing anyone the seriousness of my claim. Oh well for a second I started to get pissed off then decided I don't care anymore if Any of you believe in this proven theory. I will respond to those of u who want tO here more every one else go try propecia and rogaine and hopefully u see good results.

PatientlyWaiting
06-19-2011, 10:44 PM
Lol what happened, your brother logged in here?

BackwardsBalding
06-19-2011, 10:46 PM
Don't get me wrong, i'm actually trying it. I haven't done "it" in 2 days. I'll see how I feel at 7 days. I'll go for as long as possible and i'm taking pictures too. It won't hurt to try, or maybe it literally will hurt to try[blue balls].

Good bro u won't regret this!!Don't forget to increase blood flow use rogaine and massage your temples while leaning down like you were touching your toes.

Hurts
06-20-2011, 06:05 AM
in your results it seems like there was a spike but less than 5 mins later it went back to normal. How would you justify that that 5 minute (we dont even know for sure if the spike lasted for 5 full minutes) spike would be a catalyst for MPB?

BackwardsBalding
06-20-2011, 08:35 AM
You have brought up the best point. Earlier, before I had the test results, I posted that I started to doubt my theory when a scientist told me that bald men and fully haired mens DHT cirulatory levels were relatively the same and did not show a relationship. She believed aftern an ejaculation the DHT level wouldn't change at all. If you see in my earlier posts I talked about blood circulation and how it takes 1-3 minutes for all your blood to circulate through your entire body. I already stated that the reason they never measured this spike is because nobody runs to get there blood drawn right after an ejaculation and get tested for DHT. So how does this work? Science already believes that DHT is to "thick" compared to regular testosterone this is how it builds up in the hairfollicle. So the point is that DHT aftern an ejaculation doesnt ciruclate it simply gets stuck in your head little by little. You have to understand almost everything I have stated is already scientifically proven the only difference is I belive DHT is being soley produced in the prostate after ejaculation they believe its happeing in random hair follicles at random rates and times. I proved this theory but the next tests will be much better including alot more people. I would love if a few of you would go do this test your self. Its not easy but if you really want to prove me wrong then go try and post the results on here.

BackwardsBalding
06-20-2011, 08:38 AM
cool! is this proven to work? i have found a product online though that offers a 30 day money back guarantee... it seems interesting though... can you tell me more about this product and compare it to this hair growth product (http://www.trx2.com) i saw onine...

Remember I have not sold anything to any of you these are only my opinions. Especially with my theory this product wouldn't be needed. However, I looked it up and seen what the company was trying to sell and I would be very skeptical to any product not being approved by FDA. If someone had a breakout cure and already backaged it there would be no reason to not get it FDA approved.

RichardDawkins
06-20-2011, 08:55 AM
Muhahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahh oh hilarious the whole thread was about to sell a scam product

Yes finally you douchebags outed yourself hilarious

dgman21
06-20-2011, 09:28 AM
Spencer do you have an opinion about all this information on this thread???

BackwardsBalding
06-20-2011, 09:41 AM
Lol what happened, your brother logged in here?

Yea I went wakeboarding and when I got home looked at my forum read what he wrote and didn't even have to look at the nexs posts before I started to boil. I knew how everyone would take that before even reading there responses. I been really trying to convince people of this and he took me ten steps backwards. Its all good though. Yes he is my Twin, ferternal, 8 minutes apart. He actually was way more skeptical then any of you and being my brother constantly hated on the entire thing. However I showed him the blog a few days ago and when my test results got in he really started to watch. Oh well though I asked him nicely to stay off my forum so no more posts from him. Eitherway All I care about is getting 25 people or so to do the study so if this his making you not want to take part email me and I will give you mine and his wifes facebook to confirm. Thanks have a good day

BackwardsBalding
06-20-2011, 09:53 AM
Muhahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahh oh hilarious the whole thread was about to sell a scam product

Yes finally you douchebags outed yourself hilarious

Mr Dawkins,

This will be my last post to you. I understand why you are so skeptical and apologize for what your are going through. I should have been more sensitive when adressing you in the past. Please understand that I am not pulling a fast one on you. I am so positive that ejaculation has an affect on hairloss that I have told ever person that I know and love before I even got the test results. When I got the email that they were back my heart must have been beating 200 beats per minute. But, just as I thought there was a spike in DHT. I have thinning at my temples its not much compared to alot of you but it is noticable when my hair is wet or put back at all. I have read many of your stories including yours MR. Dawkins and my heart went out to you. Your stories during the beggining stages of my research really drove me to keep going. I brought you exciting news about what I figured it out and because its been rough for you it was hard to believe. I hope in the future when this theory has been....better proven by more numbers you will believe me when I say all I ever wanted to do was help. I have nothing to sell and would not want to sell such free information even though I could have. Thanks for all the readers and comments I will continue to bring science into this matter and I am currently speaking with Doctors in Canada to test this matter at a much higher quantity. IF any of you do take my advice please track your results so we can let everyone know what we found in a year or two.

TheEarthIsNotFlat
06-20-2011, 11:01 AM
Remember I have not sold anything to any of you these are only my opinions. Especially with my theory this product wouldn't be needed. However, I looked it up and seen what the company was trying to sell and I would be very skeptical to any product not being approved by FDA. If someone had a breakout cure and already backaged it there would be no reason to not get it FDA approved.

My brother is selling nothing. Read better next time. He asked me not to speak on here so this is my last post.

RichardDawkins
06-20-2011, 12:58 PM
Oh man this is awesome :-) One guy with multiple accounts is talking to himself.

Gosh i am loving it :-) Of course Whitfield i mean ahhhem balding backwards i mean whatever you call yourself is not selling anything, thats the reason why he didnt put up a link to TRX in a thread where a lot of people are looking because of


THE MISLEADING TITLE

If it were up to my i would gather your ip adress and inform the authorities und publicly share your home adress with everyone who would to take a little anti frustration vacation in your area

Kamui85
06-20-2011, 01:09 PM
Oh man this is awesome :-) One guy with multiple accounts is talking to himself.

Gosh i am loving it :-) Of course Whitfield i mean ahhhem balding backwards i mean whatever you call yourself is not selling anything, thats the reason why he didnt put up a link to TRX in a thread where a lot of people are looking because of


THE MISLEADING TITLE

If it were up to my i would gather your ip adress and inform the authorities und publicly share your home adress with everyone who would to take a little anti frustration vacation in your area

even if hes saiyng the product doesnt probably work?

RichardDawkins
06-20-2011, 01:14 PM
TRX2 is a scam and the whole thread here is as well

Kamui85
06-20-2011, 01:26 PM
TRX2 is a scam and the whole thread here is as well

but hes SAYING THE PRODUCT DOESNT WORK! so hows is that a scam?

BackwardsBalding
06-20-2011, 01:32 PM
I am not sure he understands anything I have ever wrote on here. I have endorsed no product on here not even once. I am at a point were I will not even pay him anymore mind what so ever.

BackwardsBalding
06-20-2011, 01:38 PM
cool! Is this proven to work? I have found a product online though that offers a 30 day money back guarantee... It seems interesting though... Can you tell me more about this product and compare it to this hair growth product (http://www.trx2.com) i saw onine...

do not buy this product!!!!! I know nothing about it and can only tell you that it is not approved by the fda!!!!! As the creator of this thread i assure you i do not endorse this product!!!!!

HairTalk
06-20-2011, 02:03 PM
do not buy this product!!!!! I know nothing about it and can only tell you that it is not approved by the fda!!!!! As the creator of this thread i assure you i do not endorse this product!!!!!

I thought this bull-shit thread was generated by "ResearchNeverfails"; how many names do you use?

RichardDawkins
06-20-2011, 02:10 PM
I thought this bull-shit thread was generated by "ResearchNeverfails"; how many names do you use?

Schizoid persons tend to have multiple accounts ( Hello Iron_man here is another screenshot for you)

PatientlyWaiting
06-20-2011, 02:26 PM
I thought this bull-shit thread was generated by "ResearchNeverfails"; how many names do you use?

In his first post with BaldingBackwards, he said it's him. So I don't think he's trying to hide it. He said he's been blocked out of ResearchNeverFails because some members reported him for spamming.

BackwardsBalding
06-20-2011, 03:09 PM
I thought this bull-shit thread was generated by "ResearchNeverfails"; how many names do you use?

My names are; researchneverfails, baldingbackwards, backwardsbalding it wouldn't let me sign on so I had to change my name twice.

BackwardsBalding
06-20-2011, 03:13 PM
I'm starting to believe nobody reads this forum All the way through just non contributing nobodies knocking any attempt at figuring MPB out.

RichardDawkins
06-20-2011, 03:30 PM
Non contributing hmmm let me see, i aksed SPencer to interview Gho hmmm while you come up woth masturbation stories and multiple accounts hmmm

Bald26
06-20-2011, 05:17 PM
Non contributing hmmm let me see, i aksed SPencer to interview Gho hmmm while you come up woth masturbation stories and multiple accounts hmmm

dude, why don't you shut the hell up? If you don't want to follow his thread, let others do. We are people with a brain. As long as he starts selling something, we will know that. I have been reading this thread since the beginning and very curious about what he will find out.

Kamui85
06-20-2011, 05:20 PM
he really has a talent for making users post for the first time...

Bald26
06-20-2011, 05:20 PM
I'm starting to believe nobody reads this forum All the way through just non contributing nobodies knocking any attempt at figuring MPB out.

Please continue your research. I and many others are following what you're doing here. Despite those rude posters. I don't think you're scamming or trying to sell anything [up to this point]. It would be illogical if the admin ban or delete your thread.

FYI, I'm a balding man in my 26 years. I've been losing hair for the past 3-4 years. I've researched and tried so many ways to stop it. Your finding could be one of the things that I could try. With much appreciation!

RichardDawkins
06-20-2011, 05:22 PM
registered june 2011 and 1 posting.

Man this thread is awesome so awesome. I am really exited to see which nickname you use next.

I really have tears in my eyes buddy tears for enjoyment.

You are people with brains? Well if speaking to yourself with multiple accounts is considered having a brain, then i opt for not having a brain.

Yes we are all curious about what he will find out :-)

Its so funny how fast newly registered users here start to defend this nonsense.

Bald26
06-20-2011, 05:22 PM
he really has a talent for making users post for the first time...

If it wasn't because of that a-hole keep jumping in with negative comments. I would have stayed out and keep reading this thread anonymously. I was afraid that the OP got discouraged so I had to register.

RichardDawkins
06-20-2011, 05:24 PM
If it wasn't because of that a-hole keep jumping in with negative comments. I would have stayed out and keep reading this thread anonymously. I was afraid that the OP got discouraged so I had to register.

Of course, very generous of you :-)

Bald26
06-20-2011, 05:24 PM
registered june 2011 and 1 posting.

Man this thread is awesome so awesome. I am really exited to see which nickname you use next.

I really have tears in my eyes buddy tears for enjoyment.

You are people with brains? Well if speaking to yourself with multiple accounts is considered having a brain, then i opt for not having a brain.

Yes we are all curious about what he will find out :-)

Its so funny how fast newly registered users here start to defend this nonsense.

Yes, if you keep with this trend, more of us will be coming to stop you from humiliating the guy. I'm from California. The admin can check my IP. Stupid but want to be smart! If it wasn't because of you, I could have just stayed out and read this shit without registering.

RichardDawkins
06-20-2011, 05:28 PM
Please stop i really have tears in my eyes. You are insulting me and i only say my opinion on this subject. Sorry but i dont care if you are from CALI or Hawaii or Masturbation Land.

And i am sure more of you guys will come, those one post posters who claim "We are so interesting in this" RIGHT people are interested in nonsense rather then Histogen or Gho for example.

And strangely those one time poster who got registered now are strangly talking exactly the same way like the other strange guys here hmmmmm makes me wonder cherry pie :-)

Of course you registered only because i humiliated someone who uses the thread title "MPB CURED" of course of course

Bald26
06-20-2011, 05:32 PM
Please stop i really have tears in my eyes. You are insulting me and i only say my opinion on this subject. Sorry but i dont care if you are from CALI or Hawaii or Masturbation Land.

And i am sure more of you guys will come, those one post posters who claim "We are so interesting in this" RIGHT people are interested in nonsense rather then Histogen or Gho for example.

And strangely those one time poster who got registered now are strangly talking exactly the same way like the other strange guys here hmmmmm makes me wonder cherry pie :-)

Of course you registered only because i humiliated someone who uses the thread title "MPB CURED" of course of course

If you don't care then why do you spend so much time humiliate the guy? What good do you contribute to the hair loss community? I'm just like any other person, looking for some hope. If you're already bald and happy, why not just go back to your p0rn and enjoy your own wanking? :D I don't think it's your job to check on how many of the users are the same guy. The admin has the full capability.

Bald26
06-20-2011, 05:37 PM
Please stop i really have tears in my eyes. You are insulting me and i only say my opinion on this subject. Sorry but i dont care if you are from CALI or Hawaii or Masturbation Land.

And i am sure more of you guys will come, those one post posters who claim "We are so interesting in this" RIGHT people are interested in nonsense rather then Histogen or Gho for example.

And strangely those one time poster who got registered now are strangly talking exactly the same way like the other strange guys here hmmmmm makes me wonder cherry pie :-)

Of course you registered only because i humiliated someone who uses the thread title "MPB CURED" of course of course

You're right, it's the title that attracted me into reading (because I'm balding!). But after reading his post, I find that he has some valid points, not really a cure yet. But really, can you tell me why you are so against this guy? Did he sell you any snake oil? Did he humiliate you before? I really don't know why you hate him so much from reading all the replies, post, and ridiculous comments that you had toward him.

UK_
06-20-2011, 06:05 PM
LOL what valid points?

BackwardsBalding
06-20-2011, 06:07 PM
Thanks for the support guys but don't worry I would not stop reseaching this regardless of Mr. Dawkins......state of mind. He has good reason to be skeptical after the years of lies that we have been told and sold by people who claimed to have the cure.Its actually really kind of sad to see how much hair loss has affected him I hope he finds peace with it. However, I feel that I really am on to something and I have much more research to do so those of you who are following keep doing so and I will keep you posted. Also, can an admin please confrim that the only accounts made by me are; ResearchNeverFails, BaldingBackwards, and BackwardsBalding. Oh my brother lives with me so yes his account Theworldisnotflat will also appear under that IP. Please admin confirm this info. Also I believe I figured out why it wouldnt let me log into my previous accounts. I was leaving the screen open on my laptop and trying to access it on my home computer I found out today that it wont let you open two of them :), however my researchneverfails was actually making me wait for approval to post thats why i changed it in the first place. Alot more research to do I will keep you posted.

UK_
06-20-2011, 06:10 PM
op: "think of cheetah or even your common house cat living in different environments, lack of vast nutrients, really hot weather, often cold weather, none experience balding, ever regardless of the exposures. as a matter of fact no animal in the world has been diagnosed with mpb other then a human."

bahahahahahahaaaa!!!!!!!!!

Imagine a pet cat with a tiny receding hairline AHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA

Bald26
06-20-2011, 06:12 PM
LOL what valid points?

about Americans & people live in Europe are more likely to be balding than people who live in other countries (Asia for example). I don't know if there is any study out there to validate this, but from the personal level, that's what I spotted as well. I do notice that when I started losing hair, that's when I started to watch p0rn and wank a lot (3-4 years ago). Why does it hurt to hear out the guy's results? What negatives will it bring except for a gigantic thread where the admin can just delete anytime he wants to?

BackwardsBalding
06-20-2011, 06:14 PM
LOL what valid points?

1. DHT fluctuates from an ejaculation
2. DHT causes hair loss
3. Propecia works but only if you get side affects (loss of libido)
4. There is an unusual link between your hair loss starting were the least amount of blood flow on your head is

Please go research hair loss people.

Bald26
06-20-2011, 06:19 PM
1. DHT fluctuates from an ejaculation
2. DHT causes hair loss
3. Propecia works but only if you get side affects (loss of libido)
4. There is an unusual link between your hair loss starting were the least amount of blood flow on your head is

Please go research hair loss people.

Propecia works only if you get side effects? Can you show me the study for this?

UK_
06-20-2011, 06:19 PM
Thanks for the support guys but don't worry I would not stop reseaching this regardless of Mr. Dawkins......state of mind. He has good reason to be skeptical after the years of lies that we have been told and sold by people who claimed to have the cure.Its actually really kind of sad to see how much hair loss has affected him I hope he finds peace with it. However, I feel that I really am on to something and I have much more research to do so those of you who are following keep doing so and I will keep you posted. Also, can an admin please confrim that the only accounts made by me are; ResearchNeverFails, BaldingBackwards, and BackwardsBalding. Oh my brother lives with me so yes his account Theworldisnotflat will also appear under that IP. Please admin confirm this info. Also I believe I figured out why it wouldnt let me log into my previous accounts. I was leaving the screen open on my laptop and trying to access it on my home computer I found out today that it wont let you open two of them :), however my researchneverfails was actually making me wait for approval to post thats why i changed it in the first place. Alot more research to do I will keep you posted.

Dude, when someone cures male pattern baldness, someone else will have found a way to regenerate living working human organs, that's how complex an issue this is, the human hair follicle is one of the most complex organs in the human body.

A lot of people prance around these forums thinking they're all up and informed about the sophisticated methods researchers are using these days, truth is we dont know f&*% all and it was that way for the researchers not so long back, I recall some researchers using wnt proteins to grow hair in mice and ended up growing ****ing feathers, most of us here fail to understand the enormity of the task at hand here.

RichardDawkins
06-20-2011, 06:23 PM
1. DHT fluctuates from an ejaculation
2. DHT causes hair loss
3. Propecia works but only if you get side affects (loss of libido)
4. There is an unusual link between your hair loss starting were the least amount of blood flow on your head is

Please go research hair loss people.

1) Wow DHT fluctuates from an ejaculation and how about stress or adrenalin which is much more common then ejaculation?

2) DHT causes hair loss! Goor morning mister, have you overslept the latest findings? DHT is only a piece of the puzzle but thanks for giving away only one very vague argument

3) Propecia doesnt work for everyone and even people with decreased libido after stopping to use propecia their hair falls out yeah yeah even if they dont spank the monkey anymore

4) Right the least amount of blood flow is responsible for hair loss hmmmmm but isnt this contradictory to the fact that the blood transports DHT to the hairs? Just curious you know.

Also one strange thing though. What happens to guys who rapidly lost their hair lets say in their 40 but have wanked their whole life before?

Why do old man who are not wanking a shiny head?

Yeah yeah this thread is just stupid as those whole theory supporters

You know why hair loss and masturbation is correlated? Because when we come into puberty the hair loss starts and the sexual arousal comes up :rolleyes: you could also say

Hey kising starts hair loss because when we age we kiss girls.

Good lord btw you guys make one mistake, you are strangely online every time together :-) which is very funny and curious, also you play fetch and throw here.

But nevertheless, i dont think that anyone here from the REAL users will support you, strangely until right now only new registered dubious guys supported you

Bald26
06-20-2011, 06:24 PM
Dude, when someone cures male pattern baldness, someone else will have found a way to regenerate living working human organs, that's how complex an issue this is, the human hair follicle is one of the most complex organs in the human body.

A lot of people prance around these forums thinking they're all up and informed about the sophisticated methods researchers are using these days, truth is we dont know f&*% all and it was that way for the researchers not so long back, I recall some researchers using wnt proteins (wnt 7a) to grow hair in mice and ended up growing ****ing feathers, most of us here fail to understand the ****ing enormity of the task at hand here.

are you on crack? growing new hair is the same as growing new arms?

RichardDawkins
06-20-2011, 06:26 PM
Wow what a douche and stupid as hell.

Hairs are mini organs buddy, they are as simple as that. And even your masturbation fantasies wont stop this from being so.

Hell i even hated UK_ at one point but at least he is not stupid

Btw why do you insult people?

And why are you online when your other fake nicks are online?

BackwardsBalding
06-20-2011, 06:26 PM
Anyway for my listeners. The next test I will do will be the same times as the last but I am going to not ejaculate. I am going to wait two weeks like last time so that's this coming Friday and pretty much mimic the test I just did without ejaculation. The results take about a week so in about two weeks I will know. The purpose of this test will see if my body is naturally fluctuating or if in deed it was the ejaculation that caused the spike. (obviously I feel strongly about the ejaculation but I want to be thorough in my research) After this test I will ejaculation one day and then again the next day and repeat my test that second day to see if there is an even higher spike with this increased frequency. If I still keep seeing the link I will test two ejaculations the same day. Thanks for the support guys eager to see results.

RichardDawkins
06-20-2011, 06:28 PM
dude no one cares for you masturbation story seriously. And no one except those one time posters here cares for your test. Because this test is just pretty useless and thats it

Btw strange that you and Bald are online every time together and offline as well

BackwardsBalding
06-20-2011, 06:29 PM
Propecia works only if you get side effects? Can you show me the study for this?

Sorry my friend no study that is my theory however I have 4 friends that used it the two that seen results had major sexual side affects the two that didn't see any results said it did not affect there labido at all.

RichardDawkins
06-20-2011, 06:31 PM
Let me guess one of those friends were you i mean bald26

Bald26
06-20-2011, 06:32 PM
dude no one cares for you masturbation story seriously. And no one except those one time posters here cares for your test. Because this test is just pretty useless and thats it

Btw strange that you and Bald are online every time together and offline as well

you keep saying no one care and you don't care, then why are you keep posting? I've been online for the past 2 hours you idiots. I haven't gone offline yet. I just registered a moment ago because your hateful posts anger me. Let me repeat again, I'm not the OP, I'm a completely different person. Damn, so annoying.

HairTalk
06-20-2011, 06:32 PM
Sorry my friend no study that is my theory however I have 4 friends that used it the two that seen results had major sexual side affects the two that didn't see any results said it did not affect there labido at all.

The man has four friends: case closed. Call the F.D.A.; and stop masturbating.

Bald26
06-20-2011, 06:34 PM
Wow what a douche and stupid as hell.

Hairs are mini organs buddy, they are as simple as that. And even your masturbation fantasies wont stop this from being so.

Hell i even hated UK_ at one point but at least he is not stupid

Btw why do you insult people?

And why are you online when your other fake nicks are online?

talking you being stupid. Hairs are mini organs, but they grow new ones as the other ones died. Arms don't. So growing new hair is not similar to growing new arms. That's my point.

Why are you asking me insulting people when you're insulting people too? What fake nicks? What an idiot.

UK_
06-20-2011, 06:37 PM
are you on crack? growing new hair is the same as growing new arms?

Yes, precisely.

BackwardsBalding
06-20-2011, 06:37 PM
Dude, when someone cures male pattern baldness, someone else will have found a way to regenerate living working human organs, that's how complex an issue this is, the human hair follicle is one of the most complex organs in the human body.

A lot of people prance around these forums thinking they're all up and informed about the sophisticated methods researchers are using these days, truth is we dont know f&*% all and it was that way for the researchers not so long back, I recall some researchers using wnt proteins to grow hair in mice and ended up growing ****ing feathers, most of us here fail to understand the enormity of the task at hand here.

I am fully aware of the methods researchers are using these days and aware of the ones there not. I decided to go with the not. Hate all you like but all I am guilty of is trying to figure this thing out and personally I would say I have made a pretty good job. Histogen will literally grow your hair back in a few years anyways so go look at there posts and just wait and quit hating on this one.

RichardDawkins
06-20-2011, 06:38 PM
sorry and you are wrong again. The hairs dont die :-) and if you wanna be real smart, its the follicle which minituarizes over time. But the follicle just doesnt die. Also its an organ in and on a smaller scale more or less without nerves etc.

You simply cant compare hairs follicles with arms. Here are simple question, even a fake nick can answer

1) do hairs have skeleton structures?

2) do hairs have complex blood vessels

3) do hairs have different regions like nail, skin, fat tissue, bones, nerves etc

4) is a follicle bigger or smaller compared to an arm

5) do you know what a follicle is? If so answer me

6) What is the most important part when you look at a hair?

BackwardsBalding
06-20-2011, 06:40 PM
The man has four friends: case closed. Call the F.D.A.; and stop masturbating.


hahaha you guys are not listening. First of all stop saying the word masturbation. Its ejaculation, your body does not no whats stimulates it but you ejaculate either way. Its obvious from your comments you guys masturbate alot this would also explain why you are taking it so offensive.

Bald26
06-20-2011, 06:41 PM
sorry and you are wrong again. The hairs dont die :-) and if you wanna be real smart, its the follicle which minituarizes over time. But the follicle just doesnt die. Also its an organ in and on a smaller scale more or less without nerves etc.

You simply cant compare hairs follicles with arms. Here are simple question, even a fake nick can answer

1) do hairs have skeleton structures?

2) do hairs have complex blood vessels

3) do hairs have different regions like nail, skin, fat tissue, bones, nerves etc

4) is a follicle bigger or smaller compared to an arm

5) do you know what a follicle is? If so answer me

6) What is the most important part when you look at a hair?

What's really with this guy? My point was that "growing hair" is NOT the same as "growing arm". So why asking a bunch of irrelevant questions? You should have asked those questions to the poster named UK.

Bald26
06-20-2011, 06:44 PM
hahaha you guys are not listening. First of all stop saying the word masturbation. Its ejaculation, your body does not no whats stimulates it but you ejaculate either way. Its obvious from your comments you guys masturbate alot this would also explain why you are taking it so offensive.

dude, these guys are weird. I don't know why they get all crazy and offensive on you. Check your email at balkdingbackwards at hotmail. I just sent you one. We can put your study in good use somewhere else.

UK_
06-20-2011, 06:46 PM
What's really with this guy? My point was that "growing hair" is NOT the same as "growing arm". So why asking a bunch of irrelevant questions? You should have asked those questions to the poster named UK.

Oh it is lol - it really is lol... why do you think researchers are using stem cells and gene therapy to initiate MORPHOGENESIS???? - dya know know what that means?.... The development of an ORGANism

RichardDawkins
06-20-2011, 06:49 PM
Please please stop tears for laughter :-)

Well for an ejaculation you need stimulation first :-) You dont even get those facts straight hilarious.

Those questions are not irrelevant, but they are far to complex for you to answer them and i like it.

Also now you guys did a beginner mistake. On of you (the one who has registered here because of me) comes up with one guys email adress......strange where did he get it in the first place if he was a silent reader before :-)

Man i love trolls they are amazing especially when they dont get there mission done. Yes i bet youre science work will be tremendously populare in die hard christian circles

WAIT better i will ask Spencer to interview you guys :-) for the benefit of us all forget about hair multiplication and WnT and stem cells. All we do is Not ejaculate anymore and we are good guys ^^

Maybe next time when we all look at our fathers, we can say "Man dad you ejaculated too much right"

UK_
06-20-2011, 06:49 PM
dude, these guys are weird. I don't know why they get all crazy and offensive on you. Check your email at balkdingbackwards at hotmail. I just sent you one. We can put your study in good use somewhere else.

I wasn't being offensive - was I?... I just found some of the OP's comments blisteringly hilarious.

UK_
06-20-2011, 06:49 PM
Cats dont go bald cause they cant wank.

RichardDawkins
06-20-2011, 06:51 PM
Cats dont go bald cause they cant wank. Please stop i am really wetting my pants right now, being bald was never that much fun then now.

Stop ejaculating and your good but Cell Neoregenesis is BS man this is great stuff.

We should make this thread sticky as hell because in a few years when we are all fixed we can gather together and use this thread as an time killer if we are bored ^^

UK_
06-20-2011, 06:55 PM
@Bald26....

As soon as you realise how complex a hair follicle is... and the real 'task at hand'.

I guarantee you...

No snake oil will ever get the better of you;).

BackwardsBalding
06-20-2011, 06:55 PM
K they are right I found nothing in my tests its all just random bs. Anyone who doesn't believe these bald critics(UK, Dawkins) can email me and I would love to keep you updated and include you in the research baldingbackwards at hotmail dot com. Also to spencer I really wanted to keep your site updated but these veterens on your site are the worst scorned bald men I have ever spoke to and have drove me to report my news to another site.

Bald26
06-20-2011, 06:56 PM
I wasn't being offensive - was I?... I just found some of the OP's comments blisteringly hilarious.

Sorry, I didn't mean to include you in the "offensive group". I was just saying in general.

To your other question, yes, I know about stem cell research. My point was that "growing hair is NOT the same as growing arms". Let's make it simple. Your hair grow a new one when you were young without any extensive research or lab experiment such as stem cell research. Whereas your new arms don't grow new ones that easily. Comparing "hair growth" with "arm growth" is just stretching it too much. That's all.

UK_
06-20-2011, 06:57 PM
K they are right I found nothing in my tests its all just random bs. Anyone who doesn't believe these bald critics(UK, Dawkins) can email me and I would love to keep you updated and include you in the research baldingbackwards at hotmail dot com. Also to spencer I really wanted to keep your site updated but these veterens on your site are the worst scorned bald men I have ever spoke to and have drove me to report my news to another site.

I doubt he'll miss you.

RichardDawkins
06-20-2011, 06:58 PM
Yes go to another site, i believe you will bring your fake nicks with you and you will get the exact flags you get here. :-) Bring it on Cuty Pie

Bald26
06-20-2011, 07:02 PM
Please please stop tears for laughter :-)

Well for an ejaculation you need stimulation first :-) You dont even get those facts straight hilarious.

Those questions are not irrelevant, but they are far to complex for you to answer them and i like it.

Also now you guys did a beginner mistake. On of you (the one who has registered here because of me) comes up with one guys email adress......strange where did he get it in the first place if he was a silent reader before :-)

Man i love trolls they are amazing especially when they dont get there mission done. Yes i bet youre science work will be tremendously populare in die hard christian circles

WAIT better i will ask Spencer to interview you guys :-) for the benefit of us all forget about hair multiplication and WnT and stem cells. All we do is Not ejaculate anymore and we are good guys ^^

Maybe next time when we all look at our fathers, we can say "Man dad you ejaculated too much right"

The questions were not too complex for me. I just don't think that I should spend time answering time as I am already 26 and I wasn't the one who made a comparison to "hair growing" with "arm growing" and saying that they are similar.

Let me just repeat. I am not the OP. I don't know him. I view him as somebody with good intention and I want to see his results. You guys are making it ridiculously difficult for him and people who want to see the results publicly without registration. I will be keeping in touch with him by email so I don't have to answer your stupid questions with negative attitude. I just don't really understand why you are acting like this when he's not selling anything. Happy balding!

UK_
06-20-2011, 07:02 PM
Sorry, I didn't mean to include you in the "offensive group". I was just saying in general.

To your other question, yes, I know about stem cell research. My point was that "growing hair is NOT the same as growing arms". Let's make it simple. Your hair grow a new one when you were young without any extensive research or lab experiment such as stem cell research. Whereas your new arms don't grow new ones that easily. Comparing "hair growth" with "arm growth" is just stretching it too much. That's all.

It's not... it really is THAT COMPLEX, if not more.

Your hair "grow a new when you are born" (?)... er... just like your "organs grow a new when you are born"?, if you are telling me you can reproduce the embryonic stage you were in when you were conceived at any point in your life -EVEN RIGHT NOW-, then my hat is off to you, you have cured cancer, diabetes, alzheimers and you will now live forever, congratulations.

PatientlyWaiting
06-20-2011, 07:06 PM
1) Wow DHT fluctuates from an ejaculation and how about stress or adrenalin which is much more common then ejaculation?

2) DHT causes hair loss! Goor morning mister, have you overslept the latest findings? DHT is only a piece of the puzzle but thanks for giving away only one very vague argument

3) Propecia doesnt work for everyone and even people with decreased libido after stopping to use propecia their hair falls out yeah yeah even if they dont spank the monkey anymore

4) Right the least amount of blood flow is responsible for hair loss hmmmmm but isnt this contradictory to the fact that the blood transports DHT to the hairs? Just curious you know.

Also one strange thing though. What happens to guys who rapidly lost their hair lets say in their 40 but have wanked their whole life before?

Why do old man who are not wanking a shiny head?

Yeah yeah this thread is just stupid as those whole theory supporters

You know why hair loss and masturbation is correlated? Because when we come into puberty the hair loss starts and the sexual arousal comes up :rolleyes: you could also say

Hey kising starts hair loss because when we age we kiss girls.

Good lord btw you guys make one mistake, you are strangely online every time together :-) which is very funny and curious, also you play fetch and throw here.

But nevertheless, i dont think that anyone here from the REAL users will support you, strangely until right now only new registered dubious guys supported you

I don't know what are real users for you, or new dubious guys, but me and you registered in the same month. And although I don't believe entirely in this, I am interested in what he has to say. For me personally and I am 100% sure masturbating or having sex had nothing to do with my hair loss. But who knows, maybe masturbating too much, won't do your MPB any good.

RichardDawkins
06-20-2011, 07:07 PM
Goodbye then guys i think people at other hair loss sites will gladly enjoy you guys as some sort of a perverted attraction or so.

The questions are essentiell because they show if you really understand what hair loss is all about

Bald26
06-20-2011, 07:08 PM
It's not... it really is THAT COMPLEX, if not more.

Your hair "grow a new when you are born" (?)... er... just like your "organs grow a new when you are born"?, if you are telling me you can reproduce the embryonic stage you were in when you were conceived at any point in your life -EVEN RIGHT NOW-, then my hat is off to you, you have cured cancer, diabetes, alzheimers and you will now live forever, congratulations.

I said your hair grow new one when you were young. What's wrong with that statement?

RichardDawkins
06-20-2011, 07:10 PM
you dont get it bald you need embryonic conditions to get a new hair from the scratch

RichardDawkins
06-20-2011, 07:14 PM
Thank god we have some experts on this case. Do you guys have a theme song? Something cool like Knight Rider or MacGyver? Just in case because Heroes need a theme

UK_
06-20-2011, 07:18 PM
I said your hair grow new one when you were young. What's wrong with that statement?

What's wrong with that statement? This:

When else do we see new hair follicles springing up anew into action apart from when you are a ****ing fetus?

You can only grow hair if you can repeat that embryonic stage of development, if you can repeat that stage, then you can go shopping with the amount of organs and limbs you wanna create - but it's er... it's a little easier said than done.

Like I said - gene therapy is a ****ing WAY OUT concept - researchers have grown ****ing bird feathers on rats by manipulating genes to grow new hair follicles - cancerous tumours that engulf most of the body within a matter of days - hair loss is a ****ing complex issue - an issue so complex I can't even begin to describe how revolutionary a cure would be.

BackwardsBalding
06-20-2011, 07:19 PM
Thank god we have some experts on this case. Do you guys have a theme song? Something cool like Knight Rider or MacGyver? Just in case because Heroes need a theme


a bald I will check your email later don't fight with these guys. They have turned balding into there misery. Some of us Manned up accepted balding and went on with our lives these guys let it eat them from the inside and thus attack anybody who would offer new information in hair loss. PaitenlyWaiting please email me I have very good explanation why you lost your hair at 16 and it was from the same reasons as the rest of us just for you it was being overproduced not at will. Goot thing for you is they have several medications to treat this now. Good luck everyone hopefully you dont get sucked to far into Dawkins depression I hope he can slip out of this and stop fighting the mirror because we all have been there you gotta accept balding or do something about it and he has not done either.

PatientlyWaiting
06-20-2011, 07:20 PM
Lol.

Man you guys are mean, you drove that guy out of this site.

Well it was interesting while it lasted.

ResearchNeverFails if you're reading this good luck!

Back to seeing new comments in TRX2 and how Histogen is 5 years away, then 5 years from now it's still 5 years away. And 50 years from now, it's still 5 years away, and there will be a TRX5 with the same members posting in the threads.

PatientlyWaiting
06-20-2011, 07:23 PM
a bald I will check your email later don't fight with these guys. They have turned balding into there misery. Some of us Manned up accepted balding and went on with our lives these guys let it eat them from the inside and thus attack anybody who would offer new information in hair loss. PaitenlyWaiting please email me I have very good explanation why you lost your hair at 16 and it was from the same reasons as the rest of us just for you it was being overproduced not at will. Goot thing for you is they have several medications to treat this now. Good luck everyone hopefully you dont get sucked to far into Dawkins depression I hope he can slip out of this and stop fighting the mirror because we all have been there you gotta accept balding or do something about it and he has not done either.

I thought you had left already. I would have left man, these guys are really mean.

I'll email you[or i'll e-mail myself since we're the same person;)].

BackwardsBalding@hotmail.com?

UK_
06-20-2011, 07:24 PM
Lol.

Man you guys are mean, you drove that guy out of this site.

Well it was interesting while it lasted.

ResearchNeverFails if you're reading this good luck!

Back to seeing new comments in TRX2 and how Histogen is 5 years away, then 5 years from now it's still 5 years away. And 50 years from now, it's still 5 years away, and there will be a TRX5 with the same members posting in the threads.

ahaha! ResearchNeverFails' timeline suggests a Q1 2014 release:D

Concept: gene therapy to change hands to paws to prevent masturbation.

RichardDawkins
06-20-2011, 07:30 PM
Yes i am depressed because of stuff like this

http://news.yahoo.com/video/science-15749654/science-takes-on-aging-gray-hair-25653988

Man why do those researchers work with this stuff when they could have it done so easy by cutting of our hands to stop us from masturbating. Nope i am not depressed, i am actually amused that in 2011 people still come up with such tremendous BS

PatientlyWaiting
06-20-2011, 07:31 PM
ahaha! ResearchNeverFails' timeline suggests a Q1 2014 release:D

Concept: gene therapy to change hands to paws to prevent masturbation.

Lol.

Honestly, I rather read this for now, than the tiring TRX2 and the very far from here Histogen/Aderans.

I'm already doing everything I can with Fin and Minoxidil and other supplements. If reducing how many times you jerk off can contribute to slowing down hair loss, then why not.

UK_
06-20-2011, 07:35 PM
Yes i am depressed because of stuff like this

http://news.yahoo.com/video/science-15749654/science-takes-on-aging-gray-hair-25653988

Man why do those researchers work with this stuff when they could have it done so easy by cutting of our hands to stop us from masturbating. Nope i am not depressed, i am actually amused that in 2011 people still come up with such tremendous BS

Oh but according to Iron_Man... they are ALL lying and manipulating the data regarding wnt proteins.

UK_
06-20-2011, 07:36 PM
Lol.

Honestly, I rather read this for now, than the tiring TRX2 and the very far from here Histogen/Aderans.

I'm already doing everything I can with Fin and Minoxidil and other supplements. If reducing how many times you jerk off can contribute to slowing down hair loss, then why not.

I have considered castration;)

RichardDawkins
06-20-2011, 07:41 PM
Oh but according to Iron_Man... they are ALL lying and manipulating the data regarding wnt proteins.

Yeah our beloved iron_Man

he calls Histogen a wet dream (but doesnt explain why) and ignores the fact tha some researchers got the grey hair returned to normal and that Histogen did in fact grow new hair.

If you ask him about this he

a) ignores you

b) insults you

c) talks in riddles like " You guys all know the anser, it has been said numerous times"

So in easy words, this guy is just an attention whore asshole guy with serious issues

Bald26
06-20-2011, 08:34 PM
Lol.

Honestly, I rather read this for now, than the tiring TRX2 and the very far from here Histogen/Aderans.

I'm already doing everything I can with Fin and Minoxidil and other supplements. If reducing how many times you jerk off can contribute to slowing down hair loss, then why not.

what is Histogen/Aderans? I'm googling it.

Bald26
06-20-2011, 08:39 PM
What's wrong with that statement? This:

When else do we see new hair follicles springing up anew into action apart from when you are a ****ing fetus?

You can only grow hair if you can repeat that embryonic stage of development, if you can repeat that stage, then you can go shopping with the amount of organs and limbs you wanna create - but it's er... it's a little easier said than done.

Like I said - gene therapy is a ****ing WAY OUT concept - researchers have grown ****ing bird feathers on rats by manipulating genes to grow new hair follicles - cancerous tumours that engulf most of the body within a matter of days - hair loss is a ****ing complex issue - an issue so complex I can't even begin to describe how revolutionary a cure would be.

Hmm... I didn't say new hair follicles, I said new hair that grow out [from the same follicle when we were young]. Maybe we are misunderstanding each other on the subject...

auglen
06-20-2011, 09:45 PM
I think we could set up a website where we could have EDUCATED discussions about that. It would help us to get to discover the truth faster.

Obviously most lurkers here are afraid to speak out because they get flamed by blind, illiterate people like mr. Dawkins.

But that does not change the fact that people ARE listening and what they want is information. They don't want to be told to masturbate or not, they want to know the data and based on that they can decide themselves what they're betting on.
Opposition is great if it raises reasonable doubts, too bad here we have 90% flames.

So what I'd like to do is to get all the relevant studies, results, empirical data etc in one place. So that if somebody wants to read about all that he doesn't have to spend months digging around on google.

What do you guys think?

BackwardsBalding
06-20-2011, 10:01 PM
I think we could set up a website where we could have EDUCATED discussions about that. It would help us to get to discover the truth faster.

Obviously most lurkers here are afraid to speak out because they get flamed by blind, illiterate people like mr. Dawkins.

But that does not change the fact that people ARE listening and what they want is information. They don't want to be told to masturbate or not, they want to know the data and based on that they can decide themselves what they're betting on.
Opposition is great if it raises reasonable doubts, too bad here we have 90% flames.

So what I'd like to do is to get all the relevant studies, results, empirical data etc in one place. So that if somebody wants to read about all that he doesn't have to spend months digging around on google.

What do you guys think?

Just keep your eye on this thread for a while I will bring you the results I just wont be back for a while I got work to do. feel free to email me baldingbackwards at hotmail dot com

RichardDawkins
06-21-2011, 02:44 AM
I will do so too because i neeeeeeeed the truth :-)

Hurts
06-21-2011, 06:04 AM
It's a shame to see that a couple cantankerous wankers have formed some sort of alliance and have gone to such lengths to attack and discredit somebody who is only trying to help. This RichardDawkins fella doesn't even know his ass from his feet. He knit picks individual posts while completely and negligently ignores other posts which answers his ignorant questions.

Asshole, why don't you LEAVE this thread alone if all you're going to do is spam it with hate? There are people like me who are genuinely interested in the findings, whether it's all bullshit or not. It's called trial and error, or more accurately an empirical study conducted on behalf of somebody who has nothing to gain. I will decide for myself whether I want to believe it or not. And let me tell you, the fact I shed a lot less some days after abstaining tells me that I should keep an open mind about the possibility that there is some connection, I don't need some fool tell me it's all bullshit.

UK_
06-21-2011, 10:19 AM
It's a shame to see that a couple cantankerous wankers have formed some sort of alliance and have gone to such lengths to attack and discredit somebody who is only trying to help. This RichardDawkins fella doesn't even know his ass from his feet. He knit picks individual posts while completely and negligently ignores other posts which answers his ignorant questions.

Asshole, why don't you LEAVE this thread alone if all you're going to do is spam it with hate? There are people like me who are genuinely interested in the findings, whether it's all bullshit or not. It's called trial and error, or more accurately an empirical study conducted on behalf of somebody who has nothing to gain. I will decide for myself whether I want to believe it or not. And let me tell you, the fact I shed a lot less some days after abstaining tells me that I should keep an open mind about the possibility that there is some connection, I don't need some fool tell me it's all bullshit.

First of all, I dont know what gives you the right to call me a "cantankerous wanker" when I was just having a laugh about the OP's post, I havn't resorted to the type of pathetic vulgarity you just used on me, so cut it out.

And I thoroughly respect you for wanting to "try things out in trial and error" - what on earth is still stopping you? Am I or anyone else here by mocking the procedures of the OP in any way preventing you from giving it a shot?

Go ahead, give it a shot:


OP: If your losing your hair cut your frequency in half and get blood flow to your head to unclog the DHT. You can do that with regular exercising or stretching like touching your toes standing up for 15 second allowing blood flow to come to your head.

hahahahahaha!!!!!!!! Simon says touch your toes!:D

Bald26
06-21-2011, 10:38 AM
First of all, I dont know what gives you the right to call me a "cantankerous wanker" when I was just having a laugh about the OP's post, I havn't resorted to the type of pathetic vulgarity you just used on me, so cut it out.

And I thoroughly respect you for wanting to "try things out in trial and error" - what on earth is still stopping you? Am I or anyone else here by mocking the procedures of the OP in any way preventing you from giving it a shot?

Go ahead, give it a shot:



hahahahahaha!!!!!!!! Simon says touch your toes!:D

UK, did he/she mention you in his/her post? Why are you getting all worked up?

BackwardsBalding
06-21-2011, 10:45 AM
I am not a Licensed Practioner. All blogs are considered as information only. Any and all health issues should be reported to your doctor. I do not have knowldege or licensing nor have tested the health consquences of any of the information provided. You perform all these practices at your own risk. Thanks guys I will keep you posted.

Hurts
06-21-2011, 03:18 PM
First of all, I dont know what gives you the right to call me a "cantankerous wanker" when I was just having a laugh about the OP's post, I havn't resorted to the type of pathetic vulgarity you just used on me, so cut it out.



I apologise if I've come across more strongly than I intended but the fact remains that you're having a laugh at somebody elses expense. The guy has made a point whether or not its validity is yet to be proven, it warrants a dignified response as opposed to funny remarks. Maybe 90% of his "theory" is wrong but even just that 10% can make a difference. Personally I disagree with any of his posts where he says in any sentence that "you can grow your hair back if..." but I do believe that ejaculating less often will slow down hair loss.

Jcm800
06-21-2011, 03:28 PM
bahahahahahahaaaa!!!!!!!!!

Imagine a pet cat with a tiny receding hairline AHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA

^^^^^^^^^^Lmao :)

crowningglory
06-21-2011, 04:52 PM
First of all, I dont know what gives you the right to call me a "cantankerous wanker" when I was just having a laugh about the OP's post, I havn't resorted to the type of pathetic vulgarity you just used on me, so cut it out.

And I thoroughly respect you for wanting to "try things out in trial and error" - what on earth is still stopping you? Am I or anyone else here by mocking the procedures of the OP in any way preventing you from giving it a shot?

Go ahead, give it a shot:



hahahahahaha!!!!!!!! Simon says touch your toes!:D
hahaaa!!!hilarious :)

anyway i agree on hurts: this negative "spam" spamming of some fellows here is also getting on my nerves

PatientlyWaiting
06-21-2011, 05:19 PM
I apologise if I've come across more strongly than I intended but the fact remains that you're having a laugh at somebody elses expense. The guy has made a point whether or not its validity is yet to be proven, it warrants a dignified response as opposed to funny remarks. Maybe 90% of his "theory" is wrong but even just that 10% can make a difference. Personally I disagree with any of his posts where he says in any sentence that "you can grow your hair back if..." but I do believe that ejaculating less often will slow down hair loss.

Stop it, you'll be accused of being one of his alternative accounts.

Kamui85
06-21-2011, 05:42 PM
4th day abstainingÖ (This is hell)

HairTalk
06-21-2011, 06:06 PM
4th day abstainingÖ (This is hell)

I don't know what your routine whacking-schedule is (and I don't want to), if day-four is "hell," but, if you're changing your life based on this idiotic thread created by a buffoon or someone with too much free time, I encourage you to stop.

PatientlyWaiting
06-21-2011, 06:25 PM
4th day abstainingÖ (This is hell)

Don't cold turkey it.

I lasted 3 days, then had to do it. Now this is my second day and it doesn't feel as bad this time. Just reduce the amount of times you do it.

I was jerking off too much anyways because I don't have a GF currently. So this is just my excuse to leave my **** alone for a little while.

Kamui85
06-21-2011, 06:25 PM
I don't know what your routine whacking-schedule is (and I don't want to), if day-four is "hell," but, if you're changing your life based on this idiotic thread created by a buffoon or someone with too much free time, I encourage you to stop.

normally two times a day, somtimes up to 4, 7 days a week... and I'm a pretty healthy person (26) this thread got me thinking what the "normal" rate would be... now im asking all my friends.

PatientlyWaiting
06-21-2011, 06:29 PM
normally two times a day, somtimes up to 4, 7 days a week... and I'm a pretty healthy person (26) this thread got me thinking what the "normal" rate would be... now im asking all my friends.

God damn I use to jerk off that many times in my late teens, when I was a huge hornball and always had a girlfriend.

BackwardsBalding
06-21-2011, 07:02 PM
4th day abstainingÖ (This is hell)


keep it up dont forget to increase blood flow and take pictures. Thanks feel free to continue rogaine if you using it but if not just do full head massages and stretches that involve leaning over. Dont over do it and remember I am not a doctor please don't hesitate to call your Primary Care Provider if you have health questions. Also if you can take notes and submit them to me at my email baldingbackwards at hotmail. com. I am trying to collect enough data to submit to medical journal. Thanks guys

BackwardsBalding
06-21-2011, 07:04 PM
Don't cold turkey it.

I lasted 3 days, then had to do it. Now this is my second day and it doesn't feel as bad this time. Just reduce the amount of times you do it.

I was jerking off too much anyways because I don't have a GF currently. So this is just my excuse to leave my **** alone for a little while.


lol yea i went two weeks the first time and it was much easier now. You should see my hair its blacker and thicker then ever dont listen to the skeptics please take notes of the days you do This so when you see the results I know your going to I can get a little credit for discovering this. Pictures would be greatly appreciated and please dont forget to increase blood flow.

BackwardsBalding
06-21-2011, 07:14 PM
Very Nice read,

I found your article thought provoking and well transversed. Its obvious some of these ignorant posters did not read your article entirely and there is only one rebuttle that has some validity in it (poster discussing chromsomes in men and women).

I believe though there is some validity in your post. Also to add there is a scientific link between prostate cancer and bald men, I find that relative to your topic.

On a personal note, I must add - I work out a lot and take a variety of supplements. One supplement in particular expands the arteries and blood vessals throughout the body. The reason it does this is so the arties can pump more proteins/nutrients/water etc to my muscles to help decrease the recovery time, thus increasing muscle gain in a short period of time...

Anyway, what I'm getting at is the supplement increased blood flow throughout my whole body and I've noticed when I'm on my supplement cycles, I don't see hair in my palms or goin down the drain when I take a shower or in the comb as much vs. the weeks I'm off my supplement cycles. Just something interesting to add and think about.

Sorry I just seen this. And yes you are absolutely right about that helping with hair loss. Anything that increase blood flow will clense DHT out of the follicle faster then not (in theory). Also if you want to be part of a study I am actually going to start will involve rogaine and the methods described I will be purchasing it for those using it so if anybody is interested let me know. baldingbackwards at hotmail dot com

UK_
06-22-2011, 06:33 AM
Sorry I just seen this. And yes you are absolutely right about that helping with hair loss. Anything that increase blood flow will clense DHT out of the follicle faster then not (in theory). Also if you want to be part of a study I am actually going to start will involve rogaine and the methods described I will be purchasing it for those using it so if anybody is interested let me know. baldingbackwards at hotmail dot com

Hang on a minute.... you're "going to be apart of a study to test the OP's original theory"? and it will involve rogaine.....?

....well that's not a test then is it? lol... yr not testing anything!!!!

Ladies and gentlemen... a perfect example of why science should be left to the scientist.

Unless your theory is now aimed at understanding a possible improvement mechanism for the use of Rogaine... (?) you fail to recognise that it is not merely the 'vasodilatation' capacity of minoxidil that gives it its 'anagen promoting power' - researchers have tried other forms of stronger vasodilatation and yielded NOTHING in comparison!. You are not a scientist, you are not a researcher, you havn't a clue about the dynamics of the hair follicle, you fail in appreciating its complexity, you fail in describing how your "study" will be even remotely representative and you fail in outlining a coherent objective from the outset.

BackwardsBalding
06-22-2011, 11:45 AM
Hang on a minute.... you're "going to be apart of a study to test the OP's original theory"? and it will involve rogaine.....?

....well that's not a test then is it? lol... yr not testing anything!!!!

Ladies and gentlemen... a perfect example of why science should be left to the scientist.

Unless your theory is now aimed at understanding a possible improvement mechanism for the use of Rogaine... (?) you fail to recognise that it is not merely the 'vasodilatation' capacity of minoxidil that gives it its 'anagen promoting power' - researchers have tried other forms of stronger vasodilatation and yielded NOTHING in comparison!. You are not a scientist, you are not a researcher, you havn't a clue about the dynamics of the hair follicle, you fail in appreciating its complexity, you fail in describing how your "study" will be even remotely representative and you fail in outlining a coherent objective from the outset.

I WILL MAKE THIS CLEAR SO EVERYBODY CAN UNDERSTAND. I AM THE THE OP(ORIGINAL POSTER). MY ACCOUNTS ARE RESEARCHNEVERFAILS(OP), BACKWARDSBALDING, AND BALDINGBACKWARDS. Go back and realize that ll the posts were done by me on all three of these accounts and if what you say is correct please name to me a stronger vasodilatation?

BackwardsBalding
06-22-2011, 12:05 PM
A message to UK

Just so everybody is clear scientist are the reason all of you are loosing your hair and the same reason there isn't a solution yet. I would have all of you go out and research on your own, find results, put them on paper and publish them. That's how science moves forward. Don't do as UK does and sit at home and blindly listening to a country that hides symptoms with pills rather then addressing the problem at the root. This guy wouldn't even be able to define science because he does not take part in contributing. Uk, you sit there and bash attempts at lower level studies, look across the country college level experiments is were the medical breakthroughs first emerge. You know nothing of science get over your vanity and contribute or at the very least shut your mouth and let the rest of us figure it out through trial and error. In the mean time the best personal advice I could give you is to except your balding head and stop reflecting your negative emotions at people trying to make a difference. I can't help but to feel sorry for you and I hope that some day we can meet and at the very least you have some form of gratitude at the effort I put forth. I may not have it all figured out but I guarantee I will make contributions way past your negative forum posts as you hate on one topic to the next. Once again UK you are a none contributing zero and don't deserve the vehicle you drive, the computer you use, or the science you claim to know so much about. Your a spoiled 21st century brat who believes he is entitled to everything and doesn't understand the luxuries you take advantage of came from hard work from people like me. Sit back wait for me to prove you wrong and try your best not to pull your hair out as you sit on your lazy a** and wait.

Kamui85
06-22-2011, 01:29 PM
Well he said anything that improves blood circulation, not just Rogaine... and I believe Rogaine hasnít been tested in conjunction to EJACULATION ABSTINECE, which is his main point, so it still looks like an experiment to meÖ

Jcm800
06-22-2011, 01:33 PM
I haven't sifted thru all of this thread as yet, will do shortly.

So how long is one expected to abstain from knocking the top off, so to speak?

Kamui85
06-22-2011, 01:48 PM
I haven't sifted thru all of this thread as yet, will do shortly.

So how long is one expected to abstain from knocking the top off, so to speak?

Well I understand, according to the original poster, that to see results one would have to abstained form ejaculating (while improving blood circulation to the head) for the same amount of time you began to bold. Decrease the amount of time little by little until itís at least 1 time per 2 weeksÖ I donít have any problems admitting that heís proposal got me curious because, although I feel super healthy, Iíve been ejaculating 2 to 4 times a day, 7 days a week on the past 3 years (the same 3 years my balding became really severe, Iím 26 now.)

UK_
06-22-2011, 01:59 PM
Well he said anything that improves blood circulation, not just Rogaine... and I believe Rogaine hasn’t been tested in conjunction to EJACULATION ABSTINECE, which is his main point, so it still looks like an experiment to me…

Like touching your toes?

Minoxidil hasn't been tested in conjunction with "ejaculation abstinence" because the vast majority of the scientific community are sane scientists.


Backwardsbalding: Uk, you sit there and bash attempts at lower level studies, look across the country college level experiments is were the medical breakthroughs first emerge.

Lol, you think yr onto a breakthrough here? Sorry, am I the only person on this thread who thinks this guy is a TOTAL LOON?

I am not "bashing" any other study, I am simply stating that your "test" which will incorporate silly exercises and minoxidil is not a test at all.

If you need me to explain this in further detail, PM me.

BackwardsBalding
06-22-2011, 02:08 PM
Well he said anything that improves blood circulation, not just Rogaine... and I believe Rogaine hasnít been tested in conjunction to EJACULATION ABSTINECE, which is his main point, so it still looks like an experiment to meÖ

Good then email me please I need people willing to try I will provide the rogaine.

BackwardsBalding
06-22-2011, 02:10 PM
I haven't sifted thru all of this thread as yet, will do shortly.

So how long is one expected to abstain from knocking the top off, so to speak?


I have no idea Thats why I need people to get on rogaine and record how long they can go and compare it to there results, I will provide rogaine if I can get people willing to participate. baldinbackwards@hotmail.com email me if interested. baldingbackwards at hotmail dot com

Jcm800
06-22-2011, 02:15 PM
I have no idea Thats why I need people to get on rogaine and record how long they can go and compare it to there results, I will provide rogaine if I can get people willing to participate. baldinbackwards@hotmail.com email me if interested. baldingbackwards at hotmail dot com

I'm on 5% Foam already, not sure how long i could go without ejaculating tho - geez, one week max?!

Can't be healthy either - storing up all that semen?!

What happens if you have a 'nocturnal emission' too?! Back to square one..

BackwardsBalding
06-22-2011, 02:15 PM
Well I understand, according to the original poster, that to see results one would have to abstained form ejaculating (while improving blood circulation to the head) for the same amount of time you began to bold. Decrease the amount of time little by little until itís at least 1 time per 2 weeksÖ I donít have any problems admitting that heís proposal got me curious because, although I feel super healthy, Iíve been ejaculating 2 to 4 times a day, 7 days a week on the past 3 years (the same 3 years my balding became really severe, Iím 26 now.)

Yes I am fully aware that my claim is a very possible one however I believe that It may take rogaine to expand the blood vessels to bring enought blood to make a difference(this is theory)

Remember I am the OP: my accounts are Baldingbackwards, Backwardsbalding and by op account was ResearchNeverFails

email me if you want to take part in the study

BackwardsBalding
06-22-2011, 02:26 PM
Like touching your toes?

Minoxidil hasn't been tested in conjunction with "ejaculation abstinence" because the vast majority of the scientific community are sane scientists.



Lol, you think yr onto a breakthrough here? Sorry, am I the only person on this thread who thinks this guy is a TOTAL LOON?

I am not "bashing" any other study, I am simply stating that your "test" which will incorporate silly exercises and minoxidil is not a test at all.

If you need me to explain this in further detail, PM me.

I have an Idea UK. Start taking Rogaine or something that increases blood flow and stop ejaculating for a while. If nothing happens after two months come back on here and tell everyone how I was wrong :) does anybody else wonder how bald this guy is it just seems like he is the biggest downer I have ever listened to on this blog.

mothernature
06-22-2011, 02:53 PM
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu...2659241?dopt=Abstract

This study says if you abstain from ejaculation for 7 days, your T increases to the 145% number it said in the study.

That means you should choke the chicken at least once every 7 days to keep the T down

BackwardsBalding
06-22-2011, 03:41 PM
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu...2659241?dopt=Abstract

This study says if you abstain from ejaculation for 7 days, your T increases to the 145% number it said in the study.

That means you should choke the chicken at least once every 7 days to keep the T down


Yes I posted this study already and explained how it pertains to my theory.

mothernature
06-22-2011, 04:03 PM
Yes I posted this study already and explained how it pertains to my theory.

so we should ejaculate every week once? I dont want my testosterone going up 145%

BackwardsBalding
06-22-2011, 05:51 PM
I have never done tests my self but this study states that testosterone rises on the 7th day and then goes back to normal so if your body only balances out at day 7 then you could imagine that even once a week might not yield the best results. I believe once per month over the course of one year while using a product or method of increasing blood flow should yeild good results. If you are going to take this serious please pay it forward and take good notes on both ejaculations frequency and what products and how often you use them. I could really use some people wanting to try rogaine with this technique and like I have said I will supply rogaine for as many people as I can afford. So much for me trying to sell snake oils. I make 20 dollars an hour and here I am trying to purhcase enough rogaine to prove my theory. Thanks for all the response baldingbackwards at hotmail dot com

PatientlyWaiting
06-22-2011, 08:12 PM
I am on Kirkland's Minoxidil 5%, isn't that the same as Rogaine, only it's not foam and it's cheaper? And it definitely itches my scalp, while Rogaine never did that to me. But I have been getting the same results though, that I got with Rogaine, which is: Either i've maintained or it has done nothing. But as far as regrowth goes, in 6 months of Kirkland's, I haven't seen anything significant, but I know I gotta give it 1 year, so 6 more months to go. I've used Rogaine for 6 months in the past as well, and got the same results Kirkland's gave me.

BackwardsBalding
06-22-2011, 09:26 PM
I am on Kirkland's Minoxidil 5%, isn't that the same as Rogaine, only it's not foam and it's cheaper? And it definitely itches my scalp, while Rogaine never did that to me. But I have been getting the same results though, that I got with Rogaine, which is: Either i've maintained or it has done nothing. But as far as regrowth goes, in 6 months of Kirkland's, I haven't seen anything significant, but I know I gotta give it 1 year, so 6 more months to go. I've used Rogaine for 6 months in the past as well, and got the same results Kirkland's gave me.


If you havent already emailed me do so with your screen name so I know which one you are. I have figured something out that I am not yet ready to share with this community. Some times people just would rather see results especially with all the exciting breakthroughs coming our way from histogen and a-cell

BackwardsBalding
06-22-2011, 09:33 PM
To whom it may concern,

As I have pointed out I am the OP (Original Poster) for this thread ResearchNeverFails. I had to change my name when my account got blocked, maybe accidently by my self. This will be my last message to all of you. Not everything I said is true and I dont want any of you thinking too much or expecting too much. However, I have found the secret to everything that I have been reasearching but am only willing to tell it to people in my study and it must be over the phone. You will have to sign a non discloure and proper paper work. If you are willing to do so email me at baldingbackwards at hotmail dot com. Otherwise I will see you all in a year and this time I will have something to sell. Thanks again everyone and goodbye.

Sincerely,

Michael, ResearchNeverFails, BaldingBackwards, and BackwardsBalding.

HairTalk
06-22-2011, 09:33 PM
I have figured something out that I am not yet ready to share with this community.

Immediately stop all attempts at flatulence ó ;).