View Full Version : Hair STEMulating Complex!?
KeepHoping
04-30-2011, 07:56 AM
What is this all about!?
http://www.bioregenerativesciences.com/products/cosmeceuticals/27-hair-stemulating-complex.html
ALLISWELL
04-30-2011, 08:50 AM
Like all other snake oils this also claims to stop hair loss and induce new hair growth. Not much information (even ingredients) results, proofs etc.. nothing is provided.
BUT STILL MY FINGERS ARE CROSSED!!
ALLISWELL
04-30-2011, 08:50 AM
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KeepHoping
04-30-2011, 02:16 PM
I agree, seems sketchy but the guy who runs the company has excellent credentials.
Thinning@30
04-30-2011, 08:59 PM
I actually started a thread about this about two weeks ago under cutting edge/future treatments. I don't have any more information than you guys, but I too would like to know about this one. It doesn't seem to be set up like the typical hair loss scam. The company sells other products, and the principals have solid scientific credentials. That may not mean anything, but just saying. Of course the lack of photographic evidence in the form of before and after pictures is concerning.
If anyone knows for sure that this is a snake oil, please explain.
KeepHoping
04-30-2011, 11:11 PM
Thanks for the response man, I didn't see your post earlier, I'm very tempted to try it out but there is so little information. Doesn't say how long one order would last, it does mention, it's applied twice a day and results are seen in 4-6 weeks with the thickening of present follicles and the reawakening of dormant ones, if this has any truth to it, it's a huge deal.
KeepHoping
05-05-2011, 09:01 AM
Apparently there are supposed to be pictures up within the week, lets hope this is a miracle.
They've been around since 1997, I doubt in all that time all they've been doing is conjuring up some snake oil to unleash on their unsuspecting and naive audience, but then again, to believe this it "it" is a damn long shot.
Lets just wait it out, ive sent them an email and am yet to hear from them.
KeepHoping
05-05-2011, 01:04 PM
They emailed me back to tell me their supposed to put the pictures up by the end of the week to show some of the before and afters of the study I believe. Wouldn't a product like this have to pass through the FDA though?
They emailed me back to tell me their supposed to put the pictures up by the end of the week to show some of the before and afters of the study I believe. Wouldn't a product like this have to pass through the FDA though?
If its considered a cosmetic and not a drug it does not go thru the same approval procedure.
They emailed me back to tell me their supposed to put the pictures up by the end of the week to show some of the before and afters of the study I believe. Wouldn't a product like this have to pass through the FDA though?
That's what they claim they've been doing all these years, clinical trials since 1997, which in all fairness is a decade before Histogen, BRS also have a VERY similar procedure to Histogen, I doubt on any grounds they would have known about Histogen in 1997, being as though Histogen started up in 2007 (I think). So who is copying who? Because they both look very similar apart from the WNT7A use Histogen adopts, BRS use a very similar procedure of extracting growth factors from stem cells under certain conditions.
Having said that, I am yet to hear any positive feedback from any women who have used the HairStemulating Complex, whatever happens Ill give it a shot, you can't exactly compare something like this to the real snake oil Saw Palmetto shampoos you get being sold on ebay.
A short bio of the CEO (Dr Greg Maguire):
"Dr Greg Maguire was professor of neuroscience and ophthalmology at the University of California, San Diego where he studied systems biology and stem cells in the nervous system, employing a variety of methodologies including biophysics, metabolomics, and reverse engineering. He has been instrumental in the development and approval of several drugs and routinely meets with the US FDA. Dr. Maguire is currently co-founder and CEO of BioRegenerative Sciences, Inc. in San Diego, CA USA, and president of the San Diego Neuroscience Group at the Scripps Research Institute in La Jolla, CA USA."
Has anyone actually tried snake oil as a treatment for hair loss?
KeepHoping
05-06-2011, 07:43 AM
I want to believe this but do you really think that a soluable product can be the answer to reverse hairloss? They claim it awakens dormant follicles as well as rejuvenating thin ones, if that's true this is the biggest product to hit the market right?
I want to believe this but do you really think that a soluable product can be the answer to reverse hairloss? They claim it awakens dormant follicles as well as rejuvenating thin ones, if that's true this is the biggest product to hit the market right?
What about Minoxidil? Latisse? All have shown, as topical solutions to promote hair growth, there is no reason why a topical formula cannot theoretically be applied to the scalp to affect 'dormant' hair follicles.
What about Minoxidil? Latisse? All have shown, as topical solutions to promote hair growth, there is no reason why a topical formula cannot theoretically be applied to the scalp to affect 'dormant' hair follicles.
I think Latisse (Bimatoprost) might be the next thing we see coming to the market. This is a new link to one of Dr. Baumans clips on YT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zpOVmqQKHY&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
Okay guys here it is, my email reply from BioRegenerative Sciences regarding their products claims and ingredients, to be honest, their reply was pretty fast, and very detailed. Here it is:
Sorry for the late reply. My supervisor was going to supply me with specifics regarding clinic trials plus some before and after pictures but instead this information will be posted online within the week. Please keep checking our website as we are constantly updating our pages with more products and product information. HSC is in a simple suspension with preservative.
The active ingredients are the combination of molecules that are released from two different types of stem cells that are normally found in the scalp; these molecules from the stem cells are responsible for promoting hair growth and pigmentation of the hair. HSC for women is topical. It is an aqueous formulation and will dry just as if you placed water on your scalp. You do not rinse off; just apply and let dry and style your hair any way you want including rewetting it. We do not recommend using a hair dryer AFTER application for extended times. A treatment is 2 x 15 ml bottles and should last about six to eight weeks.
This is a complete treatment that will show initial results. Treatment will need to be continued thereafter. Our current product is formulated for women. By late May or early June we will have sizes and pricing available online for our product specifically designed for men.
The women's formula is safe for men, but we are still in the final stages of testing the men's product. In the meanwhile I've supplied some attachments for your review. If you have any further questions, please contact my email or phone.
Thank you,Cheryl Cheryl Ward, CPhT, RMA
bioregenerativesciences.com
Phone - 877-892-9991
Fax - 877-892-9995
Customer Service Deptartment
So it would seem it is one treatment of 2 x 15ml bottles of the HSC which will show results after 4 - 6 weeks, doesn't need to be applied every day which is advantageous, the only concern I have is if it works! Are any of you guys going to give this a shot in a months time when it is released? Looking at who is behind the company, it just doesn't have the hallmarks of a scam, I even checked FDA sources and found that they were registered for several clinical trials.
Thinning@30
05-07-2011, 06:06 PM
UK_, it looks like the email they sent you is very similar to the one they sent HairHell. Was there anything of interest in the attachments? I'm a little miffed that they still haven't posted the before and after pictures and the information on clinical trials--I've been eagerly anticipating that all week. Maybe it is on the website now, and I just haven't found it.
I agree that this one doesn't have the hallmarks of a typical hair loss scam, but there is something odd about it. They don't seem to be doing much to promote their product. Think about it: if they have a highly effective over- the-counter hair loss treatment that requires only topical applications and shows results in very little time, why aren't they doing a lot more to get the word out? If this is a legitimate product, I can't really tell what their business model is supposed to be.
I'm considering trialing this one, pending the release of the additional information. I'm going to wait for the men's version to become available though. I also have some scalp issues with itchiness and sebhorrea that I want to get under control before starting anything new. Other than that, I would probably be a good candidate, since I'm not currently doing anything else to treat my hair loss, except Nizoral shampoo (1%) several times a week. Plus, I live in the U.S. so no worries about overseas shipping.
UK_, it looks like the email they sent you is very similar to the one they sent HairHell. Was there anything of interest in the attachments? I'm a little miffed that they still haven't posted the before and after pictures and the information on clinical trials--I've been eagerly anticipating that all week. Maybe it is on the website now, and I just haven't found it.
I agree that this one doesn't have the hallmarks of a typical hair loss scam, but there is something odd about it. They don't seem to be doing much to promote their product. Think about it: if they have a highly effective over- the-counter hair loss treatment that requires only topical applications and shows results in very little time, why aren't they doing a lot more to get the word out? If this is a legitimate product, I can't really tell what their business model is supposed to be.
I'm considering trialing this one, pending the release of the additional information. I'm going to wait for the men's version to become available though. I also have some scalp issues with itchiness and sebhorrea that I want to get under control before starting anything new. Other than that, I would probably be a good candidate, since I'm not currently doing anything else to treat my hair loss, except Nizoral shampoo (1%) several times a week. Plus, I live in the U.S. so no worries about overseas shipping.
Yes I agree, very similar however we did email them in the same week (almost) there were no attachments to the email, I emailed Cheryl back regarding the attachments and if she could send them again, so as soon as I get a reply ill post them back up on here.
Re 'trialing this one', i'd honestly say it's clearly worth a shot, the best part for me is the fact that you only apply it once and then wait 4 - 6 weeks for the results. Yeah overseas shipping might be an issue for me, if they dont ship overseas I can get a friend who I know in the states to mail it over.
But yeah, this is definitely worth a shot, it just doesn't have the hallmarks of your typical scam, they've been around for over a decade, much of the advisory board are accredited US based medical professionals and researchers. Also, if you look at some of the forums regarding 'dry eye syndrome' a lot of the posters also started off with initial scepticism regarding their product I-Ease later found it significantly reduced irritation and discomfort, and this wasnt through a temporary pain relief mechanism but through regeneration at the cellular level.
KeepHoping
05-09-2011, 07:52 AM
last week ended and still no pictures... I hope what they put up is amazing.
last week ended and still no pictures... I hope what they put up is amazing.
Yeah, Ive had no reply regarding the attachments - I was hoping they might have been before/after pictures or some official statistics - even still - I just cant see a company with so many accredited scientific researchers being a scam. They've been around since 1997 - surely - during that period they've achieved more than conjuring up a bottle of Saw Palmetto and Minoxidil and branding it as a 'stem cell molecule precursor' or whatever.
Snake oil usually needs to be applied daily aswel, its strange how this is one application that gets to work over a period of 6 weeks, no "normal" ingredients work like that.
KeepHoping
05-09-2011, 06:58 PM
I think you do apply it daily at least for the initial period and then the dosage decreases to twice a week, it's written in one of those attachments she sent you I believe.
Thinning@30
05-09-2011, 07:22 PM
I think you do apply it daily at least for the initial period and then the dosage decreases to twice a week, it's written in one of those attachments she sent you I believe.
KeepHoping, if you emailed the company and they sent you some attachments, would you mind describing what was in those attachments for the readers of this thread? I know UK_ and some others got emails from the company that referenced attachments even though nothing was attached.
Based on the size of the product, I can't imagine it being something you apply every day, at least not for an extended period. The bottles are 15 ml. For those of us who are unfamiliar with the metric system, 1 ml is about 20 drops, and the daily minoxidil dose is about 3 mls twice a day.
I wonder what the difference is between the men's and women's versions of this product. It is interesting that the women's version is being released first. I always thought female pattern baldness was more resistant to treatments than male pattern baldness.
KeepHoping
05-09-2011, 08:12 PM
This is copied from the attachment I received:
Stem Cell-Based Hair Regrowth Spray
HSC is formulated using BRS’s core technology where the molecules from
multiple stem cell types are used to mimic the natural healing and growth
processes of the human body. Our S2RM TechnologyTM nourishes the scalp’s
stem cell niche where the hair and the hair’s pigmentation develop. For the
millions of men and women who struggle with their hair loss, the results of
our HSC trial indicate the potential for a highly effective treatment option that stimulates growth of new hairs along with increasing the thickness of existing hairs, doing so with increased natural pigmentation of the hair. BRS’ new product called HSC represents a non-invasive and effective shift from conventional treatment options to one that can promote the growth of new or dormant hairs using the body's own naturally occurring regenerative mechanisms.
How do I use my HSC hair regrowth spray?
Hair Stemulating ComplexTM is to be used once daily on the affected portion of the scalp for one week. After week one, apply spray every other day. After application, hair can be styled as usual, as product will not interfere with styling products and will not interfere or interact with colored or bleached hair. Best results will be obtained when sprayed to a
cleansed scalp. A light spray, consisting of one or two pumps, should be applied to the affected and adjacent areas. Hair growth will be seen in 4-6 weeks after initial usage. Once the desired level of hair growth is achieved, product may be stopped for four weeks before starting another cycle of application.
Store your HSC Hair ReGrowth spray at room temperature and away from heat, moisture (wetness), and direct light. Do not keep product with a date on it that has passed, or product that you no longer need. Keep the spray out of reach of children. Follow these steps to spray Hair Stemulating ComplexTM correctly:
•Wash your hair/scalp with shampoo and water. Rinse and dry your hair/scalp. (Shampooing once a day, or every other day is usually sufficient).
•Hold the spray cap about 2-3 inches from the affected site of your scalp..
•Direct the sprayer at your scalp.
•Use 2-4 pump sprays during week one to spray sufficient amount of HSC on the affected site. After week one, use 2-3 pumps of spray.
•Continue application in this manner to other affected areas until the whole affected area, along with adjacent areas of the scalp, have been sprayed.
Thinning@30
05-09-2011, 08:43 PM
Thanks, KeepHoping.
Well I guess once daily is still an easier regiment to comply with than Minoxidil, especially if the stuff dries quickly and is not too greasy.
KeepHoping
05-10-2011, 07:41 AM
It makes me nervous that no pictures are posted... Seems like one of those things that should happen right off the bat.
CVAZBAR
05-10-2011, 12:40 PM
This has to be bull... how come nobody heard about them in their trials? They sound like Histogen
This has to be bull... how come nobody heard about them in their trials? They sound like Histogen
Im starting to think it is, where are the studies?! Surely if this product is so great we would know about the studies...
and check this out, found this product called CyGenX... sounds like the same kind of sophisticated snake oil Histogen rip off to me:
http://stemcellbaldnesscures.com/tag/cygenx/
CVAZBAR
05-10-2011, 05:19 PM
Im starting to think it is, where are the studies?! Surely if this product is so great we would know about the studies...
and check this out, found this product called CyGenX... sounds like the same kind of sophisticated snake oil Histogen rip off to me:
http://stemcellbaldnesscures.com/tag/cygenx/
Yeah, seems to me that they are a bunch of dickheads trying to take advantage of people. I'm tired of this industry!
CVAZBAR
05-10-2011, 05:28 PM
Is it me or does the forum seem dead? We have nothing new and exciting to talk about. Spencer keeps saying in his show that he was going have interviews on some new shit but it's lagging. I forgot exactly who they were but I think one was on cloning and the other was on donor from another person. I just can't remember the names of these Doctors.
Thinning@30
05-10-2011, 08:34 PM
Originally Posted by CVAZBAR
This has to be bull... how come nobody heard about them in their trials? They sound like Histogen
Im starting to think it is, where are the studies?! Surely if this product is so great we would know about the studies...
Agreed. It doesn't bode well that the company has allowed so much time to go by without posting the promised photos and studies. I was seriously considering trialing this one if they provided decent before and after photos and information about their trials. I still might if they manage to deliver something promising soon.
This product did seem to come out of nowhere. I was hoping that this company had a legit treatment that had somehow flown under the radar all this time, but the longer it takes them to release results, the less likely that seems. This sort of reminds of the Hairmax Lasercomb. Their people promised Spencer a bunch of studies showing their product's efficacy, but they never delivered. Of course, to this day they're still selling the product to anyone willing to buy it.
Thinning@30
05-10-2011, 09:20 PM
Is it me or does the forum seem dead? We have nothing new and exciting to talk about. Spencer keeps saying in his show that he was going have interviews on some new shit but it's lagging. I forgot exactly who they were but I think one was on cloning and the other was on donor from another person. I just can't remember the names of these Doctors.
It feels like everyone at this site wants to talk about TRX2. I can't understand all the attention that stuff gets on this forum. There are no clinical studies, Whitfield hasn't published a single photograph, and even TRX2's own testimonials are completely underwhelming.
I was under the impression that Allergan was going to finish a clinical trial of bimatoprost in February of this year. If they turn up anything maybe that will give us all something to talk about.
CVAZBAR
05-10-2011, 10:28 PM
It feels like everyone at this site wants to talk about TRX2. I can't understand all the attention that stuff gets on this forum. There are no clinical studies, Whitfield hasn't published a single photograph, and even TRX2's own testimonials are completely underwhelming.
I was under the impression that Allergan was going to finish a clinical trial of bimatoprost in February of this year. If they turn up anything maybe that will give us all something to talk about.
I figured Allergan would be the talk of this forum since it seems to be the closest thing to come out and its national news. Not sure how effective this will be. Many are hoping it can be more effective than Fin and Minox. As for Trx2, I had hope at first but it was probably desperation. I understand everyone here is on the same boat, looking for that miracle cure.
Agreed. It doesn't bode well that the company has allowed so much time to go by without posting the promised photos and studies. I was seriously considering trialing this one if they provided decent before and after photos and information about their trials. I still might if they manage to deliver something promising soon.
This product did seem to come out of nowhere. I was hoping that this company had a legit treatment that had somehow flown under the radar all this time, but the longer it takes them to release results, the less likely that seems. This sort of reminds of the Hairmax Lasercomb. Their people promised Spencer a bunch of studies showing their product's efficacy, but they never delivered. Of course, to this day they're still selling the product to anyone willing to buy it.
I also don't understand why TRX2 is getting so much attention on this site, that thread has been going on forever, it's as if they're just keeping it going for the sake of keeping it going.
BioRegenerativeSciences shouldn't even be selling these products until the consumer has a breakdown of the key ingredients, molecules or no molecules it sounds like that is just an excuse to fob off the consumer into thinking the ingredients list is so sophisticated it doesn't need to exist lol.
It also seems there is a new breed of PhD qualified conmen in the industry these days (the name Thomas Whitfield springs to mind), that doesn't surprise me though, especially when janitors and cleaners these days often have PhD's.
They also don't honestly state that they have been around since 1997, they say the idea has been around since then, but the idea for example of using WNT proteins has been around since the 1970's, you dont hear Histogen trying to pass themselves off as a 30 year old company.
I figured Allergan would be the talk of this forum since it seems to be the closest thing to come out and its national news. Not sure how effective this will be. Many are hoping it can be more effective than Fin and Minox. As for Trx2, I had hope at first but it was probably desperation. I understand everyone here is on the same boat, looking for that miracle cure.
There are major issues for its use for scalp hair loss, it costs c£40 to treat 400 eyelashes for a month, attempting to treat 70,000 thinning scalp hairs per month may raise some cost issues lol.
thejdizzle
05-12-2011, 11:53 AM
theres a picture on the homepage before/after. looks good to me.
KeepTheHair
05-12-2011, 12:17 PM
Looks decent, but the light source change a lot...
KeepTheHair
05-12-2011, 12:18 PM
Here it is...... even the angle changes. Not a scientific shot obviously. Still looks ok maybe.
Jcm800
05-12-2011, 02:41 PM
Here it is...... even the angle changes. Not a scientific shot obviously. Still looks ok maybe.
If that's the expected result, bye bye Tom Whitfield.
If that's the expected result, bye bye Tom Whitfield.
Hell yeah lol.
Looks great but I wont be putting down 150 USD until they show us some real official clinical data. Ive seen way too many fake before/after shots to ever base a purchase on them alone - I am sure the individuals of this forum would understand.
But atleast they're showing something, Whitfield couldn't even manage that.
Jcm800
05-12-2011, 02:51 PM
Hell yeah lol.
Looks great but I wont be putting down 150 USD until they show us some real official clinical data.
Me neither-once bitten etc, but looks promising..
VictimOfDHT
05-12-2011, 03:28 PM
Is this "HSC" as in Histogen's ? Or is this a totally unrelated product ?
Hmm. I don't think it is.
Sogeking
05-12-2011, 06:06 PM
Is this "HSC" as in Histogen's ? Or is this a totally unrelated product ?
Hmm. I don't think it is.
Unrelated product. However I'm kind of stumped. Still I don't want to mess with unknown cells on my scalp there are some WNT proteins which can cause cancer. What good is hair if you die. True it does outlive every part of your body except bones :D.
But still before thinking about buying it I want some clinical trials presented.
VictimOfDHT
05-12-2011, 06:22 PM
Kinda tricky, using the "HSC".
I personally would rather die with hair than live without it. What's the point of life if you're not happy and every second of your life is nothing but more misery and depression ? If they prove this stuff works, I'm getting it. I'm willing to die trying.
KeepTheHair
05-12-2011, 08:54 PM
Why do you guys think this shit will kill you?
alejandro
05-13-2011, 05:19 AM
I dont really think they are offering their men product within 2 month. I am so desperate bout my hair right now that i will this one a try. Hope they sending me that stuff really soon, im living in germany so does anybody have a clue how long it will take till i can start????
If u r interested i can document my experience with HSC.
I dont know why but i think that might be the worst invested 300 $ of my life...
KeepTheHair
05-13-2011, 09:30 AM
haha... Might be. Let us know how it goes man
U should try finas/minox/keto first if you desperate...those things WORK
Friend of mine asked them for FDA proof this is what they replied:
Thank you for your time and interest in BioRegenerative Sciences. I understand your concerns of cost and failed medications. Our products are approved as cosmeceuticals and not as drugs/therapeutics and therefore specific FDA claims cannot be made. Stem cells originate from tissue banks, from human donor tissue; and for our skin care products the stem cells originate from skin samples originally taken for diagnostic procedures where the donor voluntarily gives the remaining tissue following the diagnostic procedure to the tissue bank. Likewise, eye products are produced from eye related stem cells; current hair products are made from scalp-based stem cells.
This is a complete treatment that will show initial results. Hair will continue to grow after treatment but will need to be continued every three months. Our current product is formulated for women, but by late May or early June we will have sizes and pricing available online for our product specifically designed for men.
Approved by who? Didnt she say in a previous email the treatment must be repeated each month? Now it's every 3 months?
I just dont get how something that is derrived from human donor tissue can arrive at market without trials regarding safety.
So there are no FDA trials - what a crock.
I dont really think they are offering their men product within 2 month. I am so desperate bout my hair right now that i will this one a try. Hope they sending me that stuff really soon, im living in germany so does anybody have a clue how long it will take till i can start????
If u r interested i can document my experience with HSC.
I dont know why but i think that might be the worst invested 300 $ of my life...
I think you might be right.
CyGenX eat your heart out or what eh? lol
I mean this is the whole reason you have a clinical trial, even ONE trial, to prove safety of the product, efficiacy (that it fucking works) and dosage, they cant even give us the mere basics and then expect us to blindly fork out $150 on their word that it works? How they can convince themselves that this product works without any evidence/studies is beyond me, even if they believed this product was working to create new hair follicles the implications would be utterly earth shattering - they'd have every researcher/reporter/scientist/business in the field clawing away trying to find out about how they did it, its like someone finds the cure for cancer and is just like..."oh yeh.. we got it, simple really just some stem cells from some donor scalp.... so what you up to this weekend?" ...
Bullshit, absolute bullshit, there is no way I am forking out $150 until I know this works, until they provide me with proof in a controlled study that the process is safe and works. I am sick and tired of companies like this claiming to Godly powers and proving fuck all but a few measly 'lighting adjusted' pictures - sorry but PICTURES ARE NOT EVIDENCE - until I see a proper macrophotographic assessment in the form of an actual before/after hair count and scalp biopsies on x number of patients dont claim you have ANY evidence whatsoever - and dont claim you have the "stem cell" cure for baldness cause its fucking bullshit through and through.
Thinning@30
05-14-2011, 05:15 PM
The single before and after photo does appear to show modest improvement, but the angles and lighting are not the same. Photos can easily be manipulated to create the illusion of improvement. That is why we need both photos and information about the trials. Even if the company is not seeking FDA approval, they should still provide us with information about their internal trials. I have basic questions along the lines of whether they've done any double-blind placebo controlled studies, what percentage of users saw improvement, whether the improvement was documented with hair counts or any sort of objective measures, etc. The people behind this company have to know what is and what is not good science. The fact that they are inconsistent in their claims about what is the proper dosage the is also troubling.
The single before and after photo does appear to show modest improvement, but the angles and lighting are not the same. Photos can easily be manipulated to create the illusion of improvement. That is why we need both photos and information about the trials. Even if the company is not seeking FDA approval, they should still provide us with information about their internal trials. I have basic questions along the lines of whether they've done any double-blind placebo controlled studies, what percentage of users saw improvement, whether the improvement was documented with hair counts or any sort of objective measures, etc. The people behind this company have to know what is and what is not good science. The fact that they are inconsistent in their claims about what is the proper dosage the is also troubling.
They dont even know the dosage, regardless of that, who would wanna mess with stem cell derivatives that haven't been through FDA? lol the alopecia experienced by the 'woman' in the picture cannot be used to provide an indication of the treatments' efficacy use for MPB in men anyway - hers could have been a TE.
I cant believe how vague she is being about it aswel... so... stem cells from "DONOR TISSUE"?... er... what? You're gonna harvest chemicals from the stem cells of OTHER PEOPLE and you DONT feel this needs an initial safety clearance?... guess what? There is nothing but minoxidil and water in the containers lol.
I am pissed off of the way they come across as this innovative bio-start up (a total obvious RIP OFF of Histogen might I add) and then drop an email claiming they've never been through an FDA trial, well you can fuck right off if you think im paying for something you cant even prove works. The pictures are a joke at best, the lighting and angle is totally different in the first pic - if you took away the eye-blazing flash of the first one the pics would look identical - the whole setup reeks of the scam product CyGenX created by Dr Leatherman - the product descriptions/method even doctors have given almost identical descriptions; CyGenX was also a "stem cell" growth factor complex yadda yadda yadda - they just hit you with all this jargon an expect you to be thrown into an awe zombie state that leaves you utterly defenceless against these sophisticated lab coat wearing sharks.
Oh and CyGenX had their own "in-house trial" aswel... "APPROVED" by the FDA (approval only means equipment met certain standards... so er... there was a fucking fire exit and they wore goggles)... they found that of the 74 patients 87% experienced significant regrowth... well... what happend?... fuck all! That was last year, this is nothing but a rehash of the same scam, they just cream off the initial hype - close up 6 months later and start it up again when the heat/anger n requests for returns die down.
Jcm800
05-17-2011, 12:46 PM
Oh fuck ^^^^^^^that's taken the wind out of my sails, but sum's it up i guess :(
Oh fuck ^^^^^^^that's taken the wind out of my sails, but sum's it up i guess :(
Oh yeah - it explains the anger in my post - I was hoping this would be something - atleast a preventative measure - just pisses me off when you realise the truth. Stem cells derrived from human tissue without FDA approval... LMFAO yeah right. Take the "R" from BRS and thats all yr buying.