HT vs Cells reactivation

[luis]

Hello everyone,

I'm starting to go bald, at 20, genetics can be evil :p. And just like a lot of you guys I started doing some research about cures and stuff.

The Hair Transplants with Hair multiplication look very promising, and will probably come to market in a near future (i'd say 5 years). But how expensive will it be? Each FUE is already incredibly expensive, and with hair multiplication being possible you will want lots of them! It will cost a fortune to make it look like a "cure"..

Although recent studies showed that the cells are still in the scalp, they are just no longer activated to produce hair. If scientists can reactivate these cells, that would be the cure we all look for, natural hair, and probably a lot cheaper than HT. Ir will probably take a couple of decades though to get to this...

Does anyone know of anything better, and coming up soon-ish?

[bostonhooligan]

Check out the Histogen HSC thread. Could be our best bet on the horizon.

[matlondon]

Hello everyone,

I'm starting to go bald, at 20, genetics can be evil :p. And just like a lot of you guys I started doing some research about cures and stuff.

The Hair Transplants with Hair multiplication look very promising, and will probably come to market in a near future (i'd say 5 years). But how expensive will it be? Each FUE is already incredibly expensive, and with hair multiplication being possible you will want lots of them! It will cost a fortune to make it look like a "cure"..

Although recent studies showed that the cells are still in the scalp, they are just no longer activated to produce hair. If scientists can reactivate these cells, that would be the cure we all look for, natural hair, and probably a lot cheaper than HT. Ir will probably take a couple of decades though to get to this...

Does anyone know of anything better, and coming up soon-ish?
Anything that comes out will be cheaper than a HT
the average cost of any future product will be around the $5k mark. adreans looks very promising, release date 2014, they try an expand it as much as possible for greater revenue and less costs.

[Mojo Risin]

I'd pay 5000$ to get my hair back tomorrow if it was available.
And it would be the best 5000$ invested of my life.

[DepressedByHairLoss]

I would much much rather see cell reactivation by far. I'm sick of hearing the words 'hair transplant' which in my opinion is such shitty (yet widespread) so-called solution to the problem of hair loss. I want my hair back and I don't want a permanent ear-to-ear scar in attempting to get it back. And I certainly don't want cobblestone marks all over my head from having it cut open to pluck out and then re-attach hair. I have heard that bone marrow stem cells and the chemical Noggin have the potential to promote robust hair growth yet no one is experimenting with them. What the fuck are these scientists/doctors waiting for??

[DepressedByHairLoss]

I surely pay $5,000 for my hair back. I'd even pay $20,000, no questions asked, to get my hair back!! But I'm not about to spend it on some shitty, scarring, minimally effective hair transplant.

[Follicle Death Row]

Fuck that I'd go to $30,000 maybe $40,000 for the full head of hair...Wait I retract that. Dr. Ken and Dr. Craig are lurking lads lets downplay this one. Ten bucks doc, take it or leave it and I take HSC by force.

[Dutch_Dude]

I think a little more nuance is necessary. A hair transplant for the front and midscalp section is a very good solution until histogen or aderans come out.

[PatientlyWaiting]

I honestly can't even afford a regular shitty FUT. I'm a college student, still living with my parents.


But if cell reactivation were available, and it cost about the same as a FUT, I would make myself afford it. I just don't like HT's. I could have afforded one about 3 years ago when I had a lot of money saved from working, and I didn't jump at the chance at getting a HT because i'm just not convinced by the results I have seen. I'd hate to pay 1000s of dollars and not be 100% satisfied, because I don't have money growing from a tree like apparently a lot of you other guys do, who can afford $40-50k HT's, good for you, but I can not afford that.

[UK_]

Id pay £100,000 for a full head of hair without question.

[DepressedByHairLoss]

PatientlyWaiting, I totally agree with you. I can afford a hair transplant now but I will not get one. I don't like the procedure, and I don't want a permanent ear-to-ear scar on my head for the rest of my life, or little cobblestone marks from where your head was cut open. I am not convinced by the results at all since you need multiple procedures to get anything close to a full head of hair. And frankly, these procedures just really don't add a lot of hair. But if there was some kind of stem cell or cell reactivation therapy that could regrow hair, I would pay absolutely anything for it; 40,000-50,000 dollars, I don't care. Doctors, are you listening??!! If something other than scarring hair transplants is offered, many of us would pay through the roof for it!! So let's get something going!

[Flowers]

PatientlyWaiting, I totally agree with you. I can afford a hair transplant now but I will not get one. I don't like the procedure, and I don't want a permanent ear-to-ear scar on my head for the rest of my life, or little cobblestone marks from where your head was cut open. I am not convinced by the results at all since you need multiple procedures to get anything close to a full head of hair. And frankly, these procedures just really don't add a lot of hair. But if there was some kind of stem cell or cell reactivation therapy that could regrow hair, I would pay absolutely anything for it; 40,000-50,000 dollars, I don't care. Doctors, are you listening??!! If something other than scarring hair transplants is offered, many of us would pay through the roof for it!! So let's get something going!

FUE doesn't leave a scar and have you seen doctors like Cole's results? If you have good donor a HT is a pretty good option. And on a side note how many guys wear hairpieces? I know celebs do and they look great but what if you had enough donor to give zones 1,2, & 3 good density but not enough for a full crown? You could wear a piece and that's probably been some peoples' strategy. Thicken up more in the front and cover up the back

[PatientlyWaiting]

FUE doesn't leave a scar and have you seen doctors like Cole's results? If you have good donor a HT is a pretty good option. And on a side note how many guys wear hairpieces? I know celebs do and they look great but what if you had enough donor to give zones 1,2, & 3 good density but not enough for a full crown? You could wear a piece and that's probably been some peoples' strategy. Thicken up more in the front and cover up the back

See, you're gonna pay $1000s of dollars for an FUE, which if I am not mistaken is more expensive than FUT, and in the end still wear a wig just to be satisfied? Na, I will pass. But to each his own.

[Flowers]

See, you're gonna pay $1000s of dollars for an FUE, which if I am not mistaken is more expensive than FUT, and in the end still wear a wig just to be satisfied? Na, I will pass. But to each his own.

Well true, even if you don't wear the piece and leave your crown open or thin, its better than you were before the HT. But the whole idea is to have a full head back. That was somewhat hypothetical anyway because I think Acell + FUE is going to get really good in the next few years. I don't know what you're waiting for but if its HSC then have fun sitting around on forums arguing why it'll be around in "5 years". To each his own.

[DepressedByHairLoss]

I am just very against hair transplants. It is really unbelievable that there isn't better technology out there to regrow hair. I've heard that FUE still leaves permanent pockmarks all over your head from where they yank the hair out of one place and move it to someplace else. IMO, there are so many things wrong with hair transplants: 1) doesn't create any new hair, 2) creates permanent scars and pockmarks and downright excessive bleeding), 3) normally doesn't come close to giving anyone a full head of hair, 4) plenty of times much of the transplanted hair falls out. I've heard of so many stories on here and elsewhere where former hair transplant patients sorely regret ever making the decision to get a hair transplant in the first place, and wind up with permanent scars and marks all over their heads.

[Follicle Death Row]

Yeah. Simply not enough hair to really make it work. I suppose that's one of the big reasons why every balding man that can afford it doesn't go for it. Also scarring sucks. If you had the choice of your hair back or to stay bald I would think a sizeable majority would jump at the chance. I'm not interested until they can create new hair or bring back old hair. FUE with multiplication sounds interesting but I'm now becoming skeptical of Dr. Cole's purported figures.

What we need to do is create a financial prize for the first treatment that either does it by reactivation or by multiplication. Rewards always get the job done more quickly. There's a foundation called the Methuselah Foundation whereby anyone can donate to it. The idea being to kickstart the field of regenerative medicine and the study of ageing. The goal is to radically extend the lifespan of mice and thereby to develop a proof of concept for human applications. Human applications tend to follow ten years after lab results.

Spencer should setup something similiar.

[Dutch_Dude]

FUE doesn't leave a scar and have you seen doctors like Cole's results? If you have good donor a HT is a pretty good option. And on a side note how many guys wear hairpieces? I know celebs do and they look great but what if you had enough donor to give zones 1,2, & 3 good density but not enough for a full crown? You could wear a piece and that's probably been some peoples' strategy. Thicken up more in the front and cover up the back

Get the front and midscalp section transplanted, for the crown transplant a little bit and use toppik: done deal. you'll have a full head of hair if you're donor is a little bit okay.

[Flowers]

Get the front and midscalp section transplanted, for the crown transplant a little bit and use toppik: done deal. you'll have a full head of hair if you're donor is a little bit okay.

Yeah exactly and you'll be saving the grafts that most people try to use on the entire head by just focusing (realistically) on the front/mid section. Like I said, you were bald before, so now having a nice front/mid but with a bald spot in the back isn't so tragic.

[Dutch_Dude]

Yeah exactly and you'll be saving the grafts that most people try to use on the entire head by just focusing (realistically) on the front/mid section. Like I said, you were bald before, so now having a nice front/mid but with a bald spot in the back isn't so tragic.

i don't mind having a little bald patch if it means that the front and midscalp section is full and i can cover the bald patch with toppik. it's a VERY VERY VERY good temporary solution until aderans or something like that comes out.

[Follicle Death Row]

You can get good results with the FUT & FUE combo if you're willing to go for the long slog and the scar. I suppose even if this Acell plucking thing works out you could spunk all the grafts on the front and mid scalp and then work at the crown with the plucking over time.

I think they feel that the plucked hair cycles normally but they're just not sure yet whether it will succumb to DHT and miniturise.

[DepressedByHairLoss]

Yeah. Simply not enough hair to really make it work. I suppose that's one of the big reasons why every balding man that can afford it doesn't go for it. Also scarring sucks. If you had the choice of your hair back or to stay bald I would think a sizeable majority would jump at the chance. I'm not interested until they can create new hair or bring back old hair. FUE with multiplication sounds interesting but I'm now becoming skeptical of Dr. Cole's purported figures.

What we need to do is create a financial prize for the first treatment that either does it by reactivation or by multiplication. Rewards always get the job done more quickly. There's a foundation called the Methuselah Foundation whereby anyone can donate to it. The idea being to kickstart the field of regenerative medicine and the study of ageing. The goal is to radically extend the lifespan of mice and thereby to develop a proof of concept for human applications. Human applications tend to follow ten years after lab results.

Spencer should setup something similiar.

I totally hear ya with regards to 'reward'. Sometimes I just wish that hair transplants weren't even out there so that doctors would focus on better methods for hair cell re-activation and regeneration. I also wish so many people wouldn't go for these hair transplants. Then if doctors weren't making so much money off of hair transplants, then they would be forced to offer something better. I myself could never get a hair transplant. I have read so many horror stories on here and on the web in general about hair transplants gone wrong and some of these stories are even with regards to IAHRS approved doctors. I just could never deal with permanent scars on my head and I'm not gonna pay like $20,000 for something that is far from perfect and doesn't create any new hair whatsoever.

[RichardDawkins]

You can get good results with the FUT & FUE combo if you're willing to go for the long slog and the scar. I suppose even if this Acell plucking thing works out you could spunk all the grafts on the front and mid scalp and then work at the crown with the plucking over time.

I think they feel that the plucked hair cycles normally but they're just not sure yet whether it will succumb to DHT and miniturise.

If i would do it now, i would only fully focus on my frontal area but would give Cole the benefit of doubt here for this restoration if he uses acell etc.

The vertex area with plucking over time because even over time it wont never be completely blank, it will be just slightly diffuse

But FUT No never